watched a bit of the ps4 event today. games look cool but no show of the actual unit.
will it be possible for them to reduce download time to ZERO? seems they think it possible.
my Wii u has been doing for 2 months now, feel like ebaying/gumtreeing it since watching ps4 demos.
guess we will see the actual unit at this years E3.
now lets see what MS has installed.
Can you watch youtube videos in 1080p hd?
Then more than likely the internet connection you are using to do that will be fine for ps4 streaming.
"not so different to ps3"
Um, completely different hardware,ecosystem,software,capabilities.
If you mean the fact that both will play games, then yeah i guess it aint that much different, lol
Feel free to explain what it would require to make it "hey wow this is different and exciting!" to you.
Can you watch youtube videos in 1080p hd?
Not without a very good ADSL2+ connection or a lot of buffering, which comes back to the 'zero' download time. High quality 1080 streams (note: not youtube) require up to 100Mbps instantaneous (no cache) transfer, which is well beyond ADSL2+.
different hardware
PS3 has 2 general purpose cores and 7 vector units, PS4 has 8 general purpose, with a different instruction set. What does this mean to most game developers? Almost nothing, they use UE or something else anyway, and even if they wrote their own engine, most of the difference is in the tool chain. Raw power aside, the structure is really not much different, and the power jump isn't enough to get too excited about.
different ecosytem
Perhaps, but apart from trying it in a bit more closely with the mobile devices, doesn't seem all that different to me. I'll wait to we see what is actually available.
different software
… and? How this is useful to me? The only thing the PS3 can't do for me is h264 matroska videos, and this has nothing to do with needed new software and everything to do with Sony just hating.
different capabilities
Fundamentally not really. Enough power to run more games at 1080 perhaps, but this doesn't really count in my opinion as the PS3 can do this, but it is just a performance trade off.
Feel free to explain what it would require to make it "hey wow this is different and exciting!" to you.
Good thread for this! The Wii U does do this. It has a new control system and new ideas. It is still waiting for games to really show off the system unfortunately.
Some positives for the Wii U:
Will be interesting to see how Sony markets this. But one thing is for sure, all console manufacturers feel at threat which means they will be bending over backwards to give gamers what they want (see how quickly Nintendo changed to 60Hz with FZero).
OP - what's wrong with your Wii U?
"tv displays are still max of 1080p - will graphical difference be discernible?"
Not true, you can buy higher resolution screens if you have the money, and besides, both xbox and ps3 at the moment more or less don't have any games that are actually native 1080p, they are mainly 1280x720 resolution but upscaled to 1080p.So YES , the difference is easily discernible.With the bump in graphics hardware, if you can't see a difference you are blind.
"how will PS4 differentiate itself from high end pc? "
Easily, for starters, high end pc will still be miles ahead of the ps4, even at launch.You would find it hard to confuse the two…
Then there is the streaming functions…
When was the last time on a high end pc that you could take it out of the box, plug it in and be streaming video of yourself playing to your buddies with a single button push?
Or let someone else control YOUR game remotely?
Basically, it lets you do a whole lot of stuff EASIER than a pc, and every single one you use is the same…
"no backward compatibility with ps3 means that people won't be quick to upgrade"
It's fairly obvious you either did not watch the presentation or did not understand it.
You will be able to play every ps1,ps2,ps3 game on the ps4.
In the same way that a whole slew of the features will work, STREAMING.
They will run the games on hardware at sony's end, pipe the output of the video to you and read your controllers inputs to feed the hardware at their end.
This is also how "play a demo without downloading anything" , "turn on console and instantly play a game with no loading time" etc, etc work on it.
"no compelling reason to upgrade from ps3"
That is fairly subjective.
Better graphics, better ecosystem, better controls, integrated streaming made simple, hardware integration to tablets and phones and mobile gaming devices…
"developers will develop with second screen in mind for all consoles"
Thats pure speculation, but lets humor you…
PS4 presentation mentioned streaming games to tablets, phones, mobile games devices.
In effect this gains alot of the wii U's featureset without having to be JUST a wii U.
Anyway, hope that answers a few of the questions you had.
Thanks. Sony "fanboy"?
One point I don't necessarily agree with:
"You will be able to play every ps1,ps2,ps3 game on the ps4"
The ps3 used a completely different processor which means all the games may have to be re-coded to run on the ps4. Sony have already stated that psn purchases made on the ps3 won't work with the ps4.
If the psv's compatibility with psp games is anything to go by, there will be limits on what games can be played. Also, goes without saying that you will be paying for it all again.
lol, i dont even own any of the playstation consoles, i have an xbox and a pc.
so fanboy i am not.
i was simply pointing out the inaccuracies in your post.
BUT you are still not understanding how ps1,ps2,ps3 games will work on the ps4….
You press buttons on your controller.
These are sent down the wires of the internet to sony's servers, which are attached to hardware that CAN run the games, and the resulting VIDEO output of that hardware is streamed back to your PS4, thus allowing you to play PS3 games on the PS4.
whether you have to buy them again or previous downloaded or purchased games will be useable on the new hardware is not the point, you are saying they need to recode the games, i am saying you are wrong and not understanding how it will work.
As for it being a limited range of games blah blah, i watched the presentation and they are saying every game from ps1,ps2,ps3 will eventually be available on the service.
Which makes perfect sense, given that they want to make money and all…
"tv displays are still max of 1080p - will graphical difference be discernible?"
Not true, you can buy higher resolution screens if you have the money
Not in any practical way, and this is HIGHLY unlikely to support more than 1080 anyway.
both xbox and ps3 at the moment more or less don't have any games that are actually native 1080p, they are mainly 1280x720 resolution but upscaled to 1080p. So YES , the difference is easily discernible. With the bump in graphics hardware, if you can't see a difference you are blind.
See the difference between 720 and 1080? Sure. Going to amaze me (compared to even PC games that are now years old)? almost certainly not.
"how will PS4 differentiate itself from high end pc? "
Easily, for starters, high end pc will still be miles ahead of the ps4, even at launch.You would find it hard to confuse the two…
Then there is the streaming functions…
When was the last time on a high end pc that you could take it out of the box, plug it in and be > streaming video of yourself playing to your buddies with a single button push?
Or let someone else control YOUR game remotely?
Basically, it lets you do a whole lot of stuff EASIER than a pc, and every single one you use is > the same…
Have a look at piston and onlive. Sure onlive is still taking off (particularly in Australia), but my the time Sony actually has this deployed and working (particularly in Australia), I expect the competition to be over.
"no backward compatibility with ps3 means that people won't be quick to upgrade"
It's fairly obvious you either did not watch the presentation or did not understand it.
You will be able to play every ps1,ps2,ps3 game on the ps4.
As mentioned, wrong.
In the same way that a whole slew of the features will work, STREAMING.
They will run the games on hardware at sony's end, pipe the output of the video to you and read > > your controllers inputs to feed the hardware at their end.
This is also how "play a demo without downloading anything" , "turn on console and instantly play > a game with no loading time" etc, etc work on it.
This is a bad solution for several reasons:
1: They will make you buy every game again (I suspect).
2: It is highly dependant on your internet connection. For this to work and look like a ps3 you will really need at LEAST 20mbps consistantly. Then there are the data limits in Australia. And this is before you get to the real killer - latency. Do you really think Sony are going to provide a good enough service on this front in Australia?
"no compelling reason to upgrade from ps3"
That is fairly subjective.
I agree, but my opinion is aligned with ozzie13.
PS4 presentation mentioned streaming games to tablets, phones, mobile games devices.
In effect this gains alot of the wii U's featureset without having to be JUST a wii U.
I'm going to bet here that you can't just connect a PC to PSN and play any playstation game. If you could, they wouldn't sell any playstations anyway. You can be sure that this system will be super locked down and you will be charged for everything you do.
"PS4 presentation mentioned streaming games to tablets, phones, mobile games devices."
Well i did mean sony products, but didn't explicitly state that.
It would be ridiculous to expect it to work on anything but sony gear , yes.
Just to knock a few of the points on the head in one go.
- i didn't say nor did sony that ps4 will output higher than 1080p…
- the graphics comparison was between ps3 and ps4 being discernible , NOT ps4 and a pc or whether the difference would amaze you.
- yeh, i agree sony may well miss the boat on streaming games.
- it may be a bad solution for australia, but theres a lot of places it will be perfectly fine.
Download time of 'zero' is because they are doing streaming, which will be OK if you have a good connection (ie: NBN or at least close to an ADSL exchange). And this is only if they have good Australian servers.
Really though the announcement just confirmed all the rumours, which is very… meh. It's just not all that different to the PS3.
XBox is also shaping up to be the same (very similar hardware from all reports).