Federal Budget 2025 'Reply' Thoughts?

Trying2SaveABuck on 27/03/2025 - 21:26
Last edited 27/03/2025 - 21:44

Peter Dutton, the Opposition Leader, has made several key promises in his budget reply speech as part of his campaign to become Australia's next prime minister. Here are the main points:

Gas Plan Specifics

Dutton's national gas plan includes auditing development-ready projects, particularly in southern states facing potential shortfalls. He also aims to halve approval times for these projects to expedite their development.

Gas Infrastructure Fund

The $1 billion critical gas infrastructure fund will not only increase pipeline and storage capacity but also enforce "use it or lose it" stipulations. This means gas drilling companies must actively develop their offshore gas fields or risk losing their rights to them.

Electricity Price

Dutton claims his plan will be 44% cheaper than Labor's, potentially saving Australians $263 billion. He argues that cheaper plans will lead to lower electricity prices as fewer costs are passed on to consumers.

Youth Mental Health Expansion

The expansion of the National Centre for Excellence in Youth Mental Health, which Dutton established in 2014, aims to enhance support and services for young people struggling with mental health issues.

Support for Businesses

Small and medium businesses in critical industries will receive $12,000 to support apprentices and trainees, aiming to boost the workforce in essential sectors.

Legislative Priorities

On the first sitting day of the next parliament, Dutton promises to introduce four critical pieces of legislation focusing on energy, immigration, housing, health, and community safety.

Public Service Cuts

By reversing Labor's increase of 41,000 Canberra-based public servants, Dutton aims to save $7 billion annually and over $10 billion over the forward estimates.

Defence Funding

While specific details were not provided, Dutton teased a significant funding commitment to defence, emphasizing the importance of national security amid rising geopolitical tensions.

Spending Cuts

The Coalition plans to cut $10 billion in spending by eliminating what they consider "inflationary, ineffectual and imprudent spending." This includes ending the $20 billion rewiring the nation fund, Labor's $10 billion housing fund, and $16 billion in production tax credits for critical minerals and green hydrogen.

Support for Vulnerable Australians

Despite the spending cuts, Dutton reassured that funding for health, aged care, veterans' support, the NDIS, and defence would not be reduced. Additionally, he pledged $50 million for food charities helping vulnerable Australians.

Dutton's speech builds on previous election pledges, including allowing first home buyers to use up to $50,000 in super for their deposit and promising a major housing policy during the campaign. He positions himself as a strong and steady leader.

This is following on from the Budget post https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/899250?page=1#comment-1638…

Poll thoughts on the budget and who do you think presents a 'better' way forward for Australia with the looming election

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Comments

  • Mad Max on 27/03/2025 - 21:41
    +32

    ALP or LNP…Albanese or Dutton?
    They both lie, they both are a$$holes and they both don't give a sh!t about australian people.
    So it comes down to a spreadsheet to see if you are better off with ALP's tax cuts in 2026 or LNP's halved petrol excise for 1 year. Once you have that figure worked out for you and your family down to the dollar you can decide between voting ALP or LNP last or second last!

    • tenpercent on 27/03/2025 - 21:53
      +1

      Hear hear!!!

    • Caped Baldy on 27/03/2025 - 22:32
      +76

      ScuMo was voted by the party over Dutton 10 years ago by the people that know them best and we know how Scotty from marketing turned out, do we really want to give Dutton a go?

        • apsilon on 28/03/2025 - 04:59

          Why not both?

        • bigbadboogieman on 28/03/2025 - 13:39

          Would you rather go with a 🤡 or the 👹?
          I think the devil represents quite a few unknowns and givens who he's trying to replicate, he is way more to the average bloke.

      • jmi on 28/03/2025 - 14:16
        +4

        Come on, give Potato Head a break. You can't expect him to beat ScuMo. We all know ScuMo can't hold a hose because he was busy holding 5 other different portfolios because his team is incompetent.

        FYI: He was also head of :-
        the Department of Health
        the Department of Finance
        the Department of Industry, Science, Energy, and Resources
        the Department of Home Affairs
        and the Department of the Treasury

        I mean how is Potato Head going to fight someone like that?

        • sonovolantis on 29/03/2025 - 03:57
          +4

          I dont hold a sandbag!

        • Caped Baldy on 29/03/2025 - 12:45
          +9

          Yeah, no. Scott Morrison is a walking disaster.

            • Caped Baldy on 29/03/2025 - 16:37
              +3

              @BlahBlahBlaah: Well, you said anyone. I picked the most recent one and he was a disaster. You want a feckless tool who goes on holiday and won't hold a hose while the country is burning?

        • MessyG on 30/03/2025 - 16:11
          +2

          Yes that approach really helped the US job market didn't it…goodbye public service, hello ripoff private consultants on the government gravy train with pollies on the board.

    • Gdsamp on 27/03/2025 - 22:46
      +41

      LNP's halved petrol excise for 1 year

      Yea i cant see much of that is getting passed onto the customer

      • Mad Max on 27/03/2025 - 23:03
        +20

        True. Factor in an adjustment in your spreadsheet to cater for at least 30-40% of that excise reduction to be stolen by the greedy fuel companies 🤑

    • JimmyF on 28/03/2025 - 08:27
      +3

      They both lie, they both are a$$holes and they both don't give a sh!t about australian people.

      Winner winner, chicken dinner.

      The country is farked no matter who wins. We have been sold out years ago, we just don't know it yet.

      Look at the UK, they are about 5 years ahead of us and getting to the point of no return.

      • Johnsy5252 on 29/03/2025 - 18:32
        +1

        Albanese is soft and pathetic, Dutton is just horrible. Heaven help us.

        • JimmyF on 29/03/2025 - 18:40
          +1

          and that is the problem with basically a two party system.

          I'm with you, both sides are horrible choices.

      • corvusman on 28/03/2025 - 09:27
        +42

        Yeah, last decade clearly demonstrated their competence.

      • freefall101 on 28/03/2025 - 11:14
        +33

        A 12 month fuel excise halving is a sensible economic plan, and not blatant vote buying? Pull the other one.

        Every budget before an election is vote buying. It's why last year Dutton's response was about stopping getting involved in the gas and letting the free market solve the problem. This year it's full-on interventionist to bring down gas prices.

        The Liberal reply is the same pig with different lipstick.

        • JimmyF on 29/03/2025 - 18:42

          A 12 month fuel excise halving is a sensible economic plan, and not blatant vote buying? Pull the other one.

          Yep, it is hardly an 'economic plan'. It's a short term cash hit. No different to the $150 power credit. It does nothing to fix the real issue at hand.

      • JimmyF on 29/03/2025 - 18:41

        The Liberal reply hits the nail on the head exactly where and when its needed!

        So their track record before labours term would reflect this? Oh wait….. we had a decade them screwing everything up.

      • NMC on 30/03/2025 - 08:57
        +5

        Yeah, just watch as Dutton repeats Scomo's f#$k ups again. Let's sack public servants and replace then with private consultants at 4 times the cost and massive conflicts of interest.

        The Liberal party are nothing but gaslighting scumbags. If you believe their BS I've got some magic beans to sell you.

        Time for change from the 2 party system, it's far too corrupted

      • MessyG on 30/03/2025 - 16:12

        They have been in power many more times than Labor have and everything just keeps getting sold off one bit at a time. Ask yourself - if they're 'saving money' by cutting so much, shouldn't this country be richer?

      • Nalar on 28/03/2025 - 10:23
        +41

        Yeah, don't trust Hanson, she claims she's a battler for the people, but is seen hanging out with Gina Rheinhart in Thailand. She can talk all she likes but she's got zero credibility.

        • reactor-au on 28/03/2025 - 10:29

          So who's the lesser of all the evils?
          It's a real problem in just about every country

          • Nalar on 28/03/2025 - 17:01
            +16

            @reactor-au: Stick with albo I think, 1 term isn't enough time to judge. Liberals had years to (profanity) everything up, labour should at least get 2 terms to see if everything now their fault or just inherited problems from the previous regime.

              • Nalar on 28/03/2025 - 19:21

                @reactor-au: Local Govt mileage may vary I guess.

              • cloudy on 29/03/2025 - 09:58
                +6

                @reactor-au: You need to separate a labour Victorian government with a labour Australian government. I personally criticise Dan to the hill, the state is much worse off than it should be under the Andrews labour government, don’t get me started on the wasted projects like the SRL.

                But the Albo labour government is different kettle of fish.

                If you are one eye labour hater you will find it difficult to make an objective and analytical choice.

                I’ve seen too many people fall into this tribal trap.

                • metrosilver on 29/03/2025 - 10:11

                  @cloudy: So true, look at Minns! absolute joke of a premier pushing for example return to work to enrich his landlord mates while Albo is doing the opposite. State and federal are not the same.

                • cbkg212 on 30/03/2025 - 08:39

                  @cloudy: Melbourne needs an SRL. How in the bloody hell is it a waste?

          • belongsinforums on 29/03/2025 - 12:21

            @reactor-au: Greens clearly. Legalise it and tax the shit out of it. Tax the millionaires and conglomerates. Incentivise cleaner energy. Improve QoL for the general public

          • greatlamp on 29/03/2025 - 14:37

            @reactor-au: The one who is hated the most. The Greens

      • gar519 on 28/03/2025 - 14:39
        +19

        Pauline sold out years ago. Being in politics is just a way to ensure a good retirement.
        Hanging around with Gina is a BIG red flag. All she wants to do is dig out more coal and minerals, our resources, whilst paying NO tax and a pitance in royalties, and saying workers are paid too much.
        Withdrawing from the international bodies she mentioned is crazy. The Cooker element in the parry is putting forward this nonsense.

        • May4th on 30/03/2025 - 12:13
          +1

          this. she doesn't care about anything she pretends to be still passionate about, all she needs to do is to stay relevant and put out a soundbite every once in a while to get a big paycheck every 4 years and hang out with her billionaire buddies

      • belongsinforums on 29/03/2025 - 12:22

        You're advocating voting for Ms White Australia?

    • duluxe2000 on 28/03/2025 - 14:54
      +1

      The question now is if minority gov better or worse (than now) ?

      • tenpercent on 28/03/2025 - 15:12

        Depends who is on the cross-bench.

    • cloudy on 29/03/2025 - 09:54

      So it comes down to a spreadsheet to see if you are better off with ALP's tax cuts in 2026 or LNP's halved petrol excise for 1 year

      The tax cuts are direct benefit to you, the petrol excise reduction reduces petrol station tax on the sale of petrol. Whether or not this is fully or partially or passed at all to the consumer is up to the petrol station. It’s entirely possible in areas where there isn’t much competition the petrol station can pocket most of the excise reduction and pass almost none of it to the user.

      It’s therefore best to see it for what it is, a reduction in cost of goods for petrol stations, not a direct saving to Australian motorists.

    • kiriakoz on 29/03/2025 - 11:18

      I live in the Bennelong Seat. I have seen the benefit of living in a marginal seat compared to where I grew up (Berowra) so nowadays I usually vote for whomever I think is going to lose just to keep the seat slightly more marginal. That way, they actually need to do something to keep it next election. Is that silly?

      • S Baldrick on 30/03/2025 - 18:28
        +1

        I think preferencing the candidate that aligns with your values (and their voting/track record Vs their policies) would be better IMO - that might mean an independent, if you want your local representative to keep "doing something" until the next election cycle.

        • kiriakoz on 30/03/2025 - 18:31
          +1

          I have been considering that too. I know much of what's happening with the two major candidates in my electorate. Labor because I receive an email with regular updates and Liberal because there's a lot of campaign advertising. I have considered an independent though but it's hard to keep as informed. That's not an excuse, I should do better, just being honest.

          • S Baldrick on 30/03/2025 - 19:59
            +1

            @kiriakoz: Good on you for staying up to date, I'd say you're already more informed than the majority of the population.

            I don't have any resources compiling all major parties/candidates, but this site shows a record of how MP's vote on policies - it's a good starting point to see your ideals and values VS how they vote in parliament.

    • Sinnerator on 29/03/2025 - 18:48

      why not start long term change now
      Vote Different

    • sackrace on 29/03/2025 - 18:59
      +1

      There's nothing as useless as an enlightened centrist

    • whiskeyjack89 on 31/03/2025 - 09:02

      I haven't seen ALP with a corruption list this long..

      https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-lib…

      I won't be voting for either, but to say they're otherwise the same isn't quite true.

    • ThithLord on 31/03/2025 - 09:21

      Why do you hate manufacturing in Australia?

  • Caped Baldy on 27/03/2025 - 21:42
    +26

    Some on reddit said it best. Would you rather be disappointed in Albo or see what Dutton is capable of?

    • Trying2SaveABuck on 27/03/2025 - 21:44
      +22

      just to prevent bias - only two majors give a budget speech but you do not have to vote for either party there are other options with different policies

      i probably need to mention if the Greens/One Nation etc had a 'full on' reply i'd post that too

      i think too many people vote just one party without 'actually' knowing what they are voting for it is important to know what the leaders stand for and decide which suits you best

      th funny thing if you read the comments of the budget post i got people losing it at me for being anti ALP i post the same thing on here about the LNP and im anti ALP again….it kind of proves my point some people are just shills and do not want to have an open discussion if it doesnt support the agenda

      in the case of both budgets i dont think either is particularly better then the other and i agree with the above OP post it depends on which makes the individuals better off - i do like the lowering of migration but the idea of allowing people to use super to buy a house is f—ken stupid

      on the ALP side tax cuts are always good but any changes to super need to be indexed

      i was hoping one of the two parties would of talked about indexing the tax brackets but neither have the balls to do that sadly

      • morse on 28/03/2025 - 06:12
        +9

        two majors give a budget speech but you do not have to vote for either party

        You don’t have to vote for a major party but your vote, no matter if for an independent or minor party will still play a role in determining which party or coalition forms government and which is in opposition. So in considering how to vote who will be in government and who will be prime minister is a consideration. No matter how you vote you are picking one or the other.

        I would vote Labor if I thought they had any chance of winning my seat, but they don’t so I will vote for an independent that actually has a fighting chance and preference Labor as my preference is for a Labor gov, or more accurately I don’t want a Liberal-National coalition gov, particularly lead by Dutton.

        • trongy on 28/03/2025 - 08:37
          +11

          If you are trying to vote strategically you should put your first preference first and your second preference second. By strategically I mean that you want to show support for your first preference candidate, even though you think they have chance of winning, and also have your vote support a candidate that you think has a real chance of winning.

          The way preferential votes are counted is that the first preferences are counted fist. The candidate with the lowest number of first preference votes is eliminated and those votes are given to the second preference of each voter.

          The way you propose to vote, your vote goes directly to the independent. If the Labor candidate's primary vote comes in lower than the independent as you predict, then the Labor candidate is eliminated and Labor never "sees" your second preference.

          If instead, you put the Labor candidate as your first preference, when the Labor candidate is eliminated, your vote is given to your second choice - the independent. There's no change in the election outcome, but this way Labor sees in increase in their primary vote statistic. If enough people do this, it would encourage Labor to put in more effort in subsequent elections - they might encourage a higher quality candidate to stand and spend more of their campaign funds in your electorate.

          • morse on 28/03/2025 - 08:45
            -4

            @trongy: I would agree with you if there was any chance of Labor winning in my seat, but unless something terrible comes out about the LNP candidate there is no chance so I will preference first my preferred realistic candidate to make it more likely that they will win.

            • trongy on 28/03/2025 - 09:18
              +1

              @morse: I think you misunderstand how preferential voting works. Putting the no-chance candidate first and the preferred realistic candidate second will still have your vote count the same way. The only way that could be wrong is if the no-chance candidate actually gets more first-preference votes than your preferred realistic candidate.

              The point I was making is not about the outcome of this election, but how first preference votes can effect what parties do in subsequent elections. It's not specific to Labor, but how the preferential voting system influences how parties view electorates.

              How can a no-chance electorate become a realistic-chance electorate?

              Imaging a series of elections with the following first preference votes:

              2022 Labor 27% ——-> conclusion: we have no chance next election
              2025 Labor 35 % ——-> conclusion: we have no chance next election
              2028 Labor 38 % ——-> conclusion: we have no chance next election
              2031 Labor 43 % ——-> conclusion: we do have a realistic chance next election so we will start making an effort to prepare for the 2034 election.

              • morse on 28/03/2025 - 10:29
                +1

                @trongy: I do.

                Perhaps I didn’t explain myself clearly. In this case I want the independent candidate to win the seat, even though I want Labor to win government. Which was my original point, people realistically should have a preferred government and a preferred candidate for their seat in my seat an independent win would lessen the chance of a lib/nats coalition.

          • Smol Cat on 30/03/2025 - 00:08

            @trongy: Thanks for explaining that, more people need to know about this sort of things as it’s important.

          • serpserpserp on 30/03/2025 - 08:11

            @trongy: I get your very valid point. But you should vote for the candidate that you want to win. Otherwise if you vote big two parties first and your favorite candidate second, they might not get enough primary votes to keep fighting to get elected next time around.

            • trongy on 31/03/2025 - 08:52

              @serpserpserp: I did say that you should vote for the candidate you want to win (as the first preference). Bear in mind that the poster I was responding to indicated that they preferred the candidate from one of the major parties, not the independent. The example I gave in my reply is based on their preference, not my preference or your preference.

        • Duckie2hh on 28/03/2025 - 10:08
          -1

          And where is Labor's promised $275 reduction in our 2022 power costs?

          waste of money.

          Based on the maths alone, anyone who thinks they are better off under this Albanese government have a very poor short-medium term memory problem

          Its like picking between 2 bad situations.

          • Cardy on 28/03/2025 - 13:08
            +11

            @Duckie2hh: https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/post/max-opray/2023/02/1…

            Taylor told media in October that he didn’t know about incoming price rise projections of between 11.3% to 12.6% and that he didn’t see the report proposing to increase the default market offer (The Guardian);
            Taylor told Sky News at the time that notice of price rises was in “a report from the Australian Energy Regulator” but said “it puts it out, not me, and I didn’t see it”;
            Answers to questions on notice from the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet reveal that the industry department undertook a review of the default market offer “in late 2021 and early 2022 … on behalf of the former minister for industry, energy and emissions reduction [Taylor]”;
            That included a review of whether to push back the date on which the AER is required to release its final determination, which Taylor then decided to delay to days after the May election;
            The answers also reveal that then prime minister Scott Morrison was informed by treasurer Josh Frydenberg that he had given Taylor power to delay notification of the price rise;
            Taylor spent the election campaigning on the message that Labor policies would lead to electricity price increases (Renew Economy);
            In opposition, the Coalition has pursued Labor over power price rises, targeting the government’s projection that renewables can help bring bills down by $275;
            Between April and October 2022, the median annual bill of an Australian resident increased by 23% (Maddocks);
            The increases have been primarily driven by rising coal and gas prices, but market interventions by Labor are expected save households an average of $230 in bills in the coming financial year

          • Danno666 on 29/03/2025 - 11:53

            @Duckie2hh: The LNP didn’t disclose the 18% electricity price rises to the Australian people before the last election. That’s why Labor could not honour their pledge.

            • gromit on 29/03/2025 - 14:36
              +2

              @Danno666: What the LNP did was disgraceful, but even without that ALP would not have been able to honour the promise to reduce electricity rises as they have gone up more than 18%.

        • cktftw on 28/03/2025 - 10:11

          This

        • sackrace on 29/03/2025 - 19:01

          Imagine quoting maths as a pro for the LNP after their energy policy blackhole

      • reactor-au on 28/03/2025 - 09:12
        -1

        One Nation gave a reply
        https://youtu.be/atJZhJl6TXE?si=af1tXFXrERlrdUaP

        • tenpercent on 29/03/2025 - 11:37

          Summarize it with chatGPT and make a forum post dedicated to this. Include a poll. @Trying2SaveABuck

        • May4th on 29/03/2025 - 23:27
          +1

          do we really need to watch it, isn't it always 'it's all because of the (coloured) immigrants, we want them out and we want it now'

      • The Wololo Wombat on 28/03/2025 - 19:25
        +1

        Wow, you really did need chat gpt to write your original post…

    • Gdsamp on 27/03/2025 - 22:53
      +1

      Thanks for the gold kind stranger

    • JimmyF on 28/03/2025 - 08:28
      -3

      Would you rather be disappointed in Albo or see what Dutton is capable of?

      If you're going to take that line, vote one nation. Let's see what they are capable of!

      • try2bhelpful on 28/03/2025 - 12:25
        +8

        Now that is scary.

        • JimmyF on 28/03/2025 - 14:56
          -5

          Agree its scary, but honestly the other two are not much better when you step back and look at it.

    • whatgift on 28/03/2025 - 12:20
      +18

      Would rather be disappointed than watch our country go down the toilet, especially with energy policy.

      • Nebargains on 29/03/2025 - 12:30
        -4

        It's already going down the toilet, you mention energy policy, how's Labor's policy working out for your energy bills? I don't necessarily think the Libs are any better but let's not kid ourselves and pretend Labor's energy policy is doing anything good.

        • JimmyF on 29/03/2025 - 18:43
          +14

          how's Labor's policy working out for your energy bills?

          Well the libs had a decade of power to fix the issue, and didn't.

          • ThithLord on 31/03/2025 - 09:21

            @JimmyF: Man, so many people whinge about their bills going up but no one ever provides their receipts

            • JimmyF on 31/03/2025 - 09:33

              @ThithLord: Its amazing that libs had 10 years being in power and my power bill never went up at all…. then labour comes in and my power bill sky rockets!!

              Oh wait, sorry my power bill has been going up yearly the entire time, so maybe it wasn't labour after all 😂

              • ThithLord on 31/03/2025 - 09:35

                @JimmyF: Couldn't have been the insane price-hike that Angus Taylor obscured just before Labor got elected?

                Angus Taylor behind decision to delay energy price rise report until after 2022 election

                Exclusive: Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet has revealed Scott Morrison and Josh Frydenberg also knew of the decision

                https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/10/angus…

    • gromit on 28/03/2025 - 12:55
      +6

      Sadly we know what Dutton is capable of, we saw much of that while he was a minister. we are screwed whichever way you go, either incompetent management from Albo or warmongering and megaphone diplomacy from Dutton, both of which are bad for Australia.

    • Lord Fart Bucket on 29/03/2025 - 16:32
      +2

      I can't bring myself to vote for Temu-Trump.

  • SBOB on 27/03/2025 - 21:53
    +37

    Here are the main points:

    What, no nuclear and full costing and rollout timeline estimates? I'm shocked.

    • try2bhelpful on 28/03/2025 - 11:26
      +7

      Funny that. Someone must’ve used the serviette they did their costings on.

    • sackrace on 29/03/2025 - 19:02
      +3

      Imagine voting for this policy platform with a straight face

      • May4th on 29/03/2025 - 23:25
        +1

        with a straight face

        or a functioning brain

  • tenpercent on 27/03/2025 - 21:54
    +1

    Was there any more detail about:

    four critical pieces of legislation focusing on energy, immigration, housing, health, and community safety.

    ?

    • Trying2SaveABuck on 27/03/2025 - 21:56
      -5

      might be more details on this

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-27/dutton-budget-reply-p…

      i got the AI to summeries the budget and the reply for both posts - it prevents bias in posting of course you still get idiots call you bias one way or the other…

      • tenpercent on 27/03/2025 - 22:00
        +7

        Nothing extra in there.

        Depends what LLM model you're using. Some of the big name ones have significant biases built in.

        • Trying2SaveABuck on 27/03/2025 - 22:01
          -2

          Copilot - i havent noticed a bias i use it for everything now - if anything some of the formating 'shits' me but otherwise it saves me hours

    • SBOB on 27/03/2025 - 22:03
      +10

      any more detail about

      Concepts of a legislation plan …

  • DingoBilly on 27/03/2025 - 21:58
    +65

    Lol.

    What an awful reply. Basically just prop up businesses and prop up coal and gas as much as possible. Make sure to cut beneficial funds for green energy. And cut jobs.

    You're a moron if you'll be voting him in.

    • Trying2SaveABuck on 27/03/2025 - 22:03

      well looking at the polls between the two post [so far] i'd say the Ozbargain community agrees with you i wonder if it is an indication of how the election will go

    • tenpercent on 27/03/2025 - 22:14

      Voldemort's gas plan isn't propping up gas businesses though. If anything the gas industry would much prefer to continue selling Australian gas almost exclusively overseas as it does now because the gas industry is heavily owned by foreign corporations who have their own national interests to provide cheap and clean energy to their countries' people and businesses. They would prefer to give the Australian government and in turn the Australian people as small a slice of the profit pie as possible. By segregating a portion of Australian gas production to be supplied to the domestic market, Dutto is actually helping Australian people and businesses access cheaper and cleaner energy. Access to cheap energy has been one of the primary drivers for businesses offshoring in recent years so this will actually be good for jobs.

      So-called green energy should be able to compete on its own without huge government subsidies and incentives (although destroying native habitats, digging massive holes in Australia's wilderness, sending the dug up dirt off to China to be smelted using Australian coal for heat and then shipped all the way back to Australia in the shape of windmills with an added coating of forever chemicals that inevitably ends up in Australia's oceans and waterways and otherwise pristine national parks is hardly what I'd call "green").

      • SBOB on 27/03/2025 - 22:32
        +6

        green energy should be able to compete on its own without huge government subsidies

        digging massive holes in Australia's wilderness, sending the dug up dirt off to China to be smelted using Australian coal for heat

        But your fine with any government subsidies that might apply to that second group of industries?

        • tenpercent on 28/03/2025 - 09:57
          +1

          No I'm not. Don't put words in my mouth.

          As for the second group of industries, I assume you mean mining, the government should have an equity stake in them (think Saudi Aramco as a model to copy for Australia's entire mineral wealth) but no subsidies or special treatment.

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