Is Anyone Else Sickened by The Lack of Government Action on Waste and Recycling?

My wife and I are in the process of cleaning out my father-in-law's deceased estate. We're doing our best to recycle wherever possible and ensure things don't just end up dumped in landfill but it's been extremely difficult to find appropriate and accessible recycling services.

Just last week we were prepared to deliver a ute full of chemicals for safe disposal when we were told at the last minute the facility had burnt down and chemical collection probably won't be online again for another six months. For a city the size of Sydney, this is an absolute farce.

Simple and accessible e-waste recycling too should be run by local governments year-round, not one weekend every blue moon. And don't get me started on the utter sham that is plastics "recycling".

Sure, there are private operators scattered here and there but, frankly, I don't trust a lot of them to do the right thing and it shouldn't be this onerous to responsibly recycle and dispose of our rubbish and waste.

With the quality and longevity of consumer goods and clothing in rapid decline it feels like this problem is only getting worse by the year. I don't have kids and don't intend to have any but it genuinely sickens me the way we are trashing this planet for future generations in the interest of consumption and short-term convenience. Does anyone else feel this way or am I missing the bigger picture here?

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                  • @tenpercent: I agree with the bulk of your message, but could make a few corrections:

                    Australia's population has grown dramatically in the last 50 to 100 years and yet we have halted and started turning around the loss of wilderness

                    I'm not sure this is grounded in fact. QLD has had 1 million hectares of deforestation for the cattle industry in the last 5 years alone, and 2 million hectares in the 5 years before that. This is neither a halt nor a turnaround.

                    because of choices by greedy corporations

                    I agree with you about greed driving unethical corporate culture, but I would also state that surviving as a business has always been difficult. Thousands of businesses go bankrupt every year. Without continuous profit, businesses eventually fail because the economy around them is continually growing. I would argue it's more the structure of our economy that is at fault rather than the decisions of individual businesses which are trying to survive and thrive in a culture where they will be simply replaced by another (that uses even more cost-saving strategies) when they fail.

                    We keep voting in governments that are almost solely focused on increasing the wealth of voting citizens, which is why not much changes in the economy and society at a structural level. Partly we ourselves are to blame. We are greedy.

                    It's the same greedy reason we have planned obsolescence which wastes resources and generates landfill, where a cheap basic tshirt which would have lasted several years only two decades ago now barely lasts 1 year, where whitegoods which used to last multiple decades now last only for a relatively short warranty period because those greedy corporations have teams of engineers working out specifically how to shorten the lifespan of those products and ensure they fail just after that warranty period.

                    I can't really comment on this because I just haven't experienced it. I've only bought 1 fridge (still going strong after 4 years) in my life, the last one was a hand-me-down which lasted 2 decades and was still going strong when I sold it. My washing machine is also still going strong after 4 years. My Delonghi coffee machine has so far lasted 4 years of daily use. Samsung TV now at 5 years with daily use. The one before that lasted 7 years. My iMac is 14 years old and refuses to die. With t-shirts, I find it is mainly the washing machine that wears them out, especially if your washing machine has a rough spin cycle.

                    I would also point out that up until about the 1970s or 1980s, goods like fridges, TVs and washing machines were so expensive (in comparison with wages) that it did not always make sense to buy a new one when they failed. They were often repaired instead of replaced. This is why you may have the idea that in the old days, white goods were more reliable. Nowadays, with products being so cheap in comparison with our wages, there is now a culture of replacing products with new ones when they fail, rather than repairing them.

                    • @ForkSnorter: FTFY

                      there is now a culture of replacing products with new ones when they fail, rather than repairing them. a better,bigger,shinier,trendier model comes out.
                      eg How many ppl jumped onto the 'must have a water and ice dispenser fridge' bandwagon?

                • @ForkSnorter: Why not? You seem to be on a roll.

                  • @Daabido: What are you talking about? I live in a 2-bedroom house that’s smaller than most apartments.

  • I went through this with my parents too. It’s tough. And you’re correct what is advertised as an option to recycle and repurpose is not so. It takes a lot of effort to re-home things and it’s hard to see the waste. Sorry for your loss.

  • Happy to take any Lego if the FIL was into it. :)

  • At the shire transfer station over in Walliston, they have separate recycling bins for e-waste, cardboard, polystyrene, batteries, oil, clothes, clean metal etc. This is just a small shire in WA. Don't know why they can't do the same in NSW.

  • -1

    Is Anyone Else Sickened by The Lack of Government Action? Yes

    • -1

      Don’t worry, we’ll all be dead soon and it won’t be your problem.
      Except that whole death thing won’t be old age when we’ve got so many new ways to go living in a toxic waste dump.

  • Yes..
    Can't sleep at night..

  • +1

    There is sustainability and then there is what is actually profitable and maintainable in the real world. Rarely do the two overlap. Pure economics.

    Yes they could have a 24/7 e-waste facility in every suburb, but would you be happy for your taxes and council rates to triple? Didnt think so.

  • For your future use this list seems fairly extensive

    PlanetArk

  • +1

    The real issue is that a decent percentage of the population don't even know nor care to recycle.

    We're stuck at the first step, and until that changes, the situation as a whole won't improve.

  • OP has interpreted one council run facility has burnt down. Have a look at the following to see where else you can drop chemicals off in Sydney and the rest of NSW:
    https://www.epa.nsw.gov.au/Your-environment/Recycling-and-re…

  • No

  • My local council is great, they have a drive-thru service so can dump off household wastes including chemicals. This is inner city area, going further out gets harder and can see such services drop off.

    As a side note I recently created a Ewaste refurbishment program at work (large organization), its staggering what gets thrown out.

  • +2

    How did your FIL ended up with a Ute of chemicals? So he did not disposed+ of it safely bit by bit…

    I think u should some of the money from the estate to disposed of the chemicals safely and cleanly.

    Pay to get it disposed safely.

  • I recently disposed of a ton of chemicals at a regional tip - paints, oils, pesticides etc. Their setup was really good. Fully segregated chemical waste classes.

    I went to my local waste transfer station in Brisbane and I'm pretty sure they have a sign saying no hazardous chemicals are accepted. Not sure where you are supposed to take them. I imagine this leads many people to hide them in regular domestic waste or tip them down the drain.

    EDIT: seems like Brisbane has designated days where you can take hazardous waste. Not much use if you're cleaning up an old relatives house. Nobody wants to take volumes of hazardous waste home to wait for the next drop-off date.

  • +2

    Simple and accessible e-waste recycling too should be run by local governments year-round, not one weekend every blue moon.

    Recycling is the last step (Reduce, Reuse, Recycle). I truly believe we should be reducing the amount of electronic waste rather than focusing on "recycling" efforts. Don't get me wrong, recycling certainly should be there but I think it's better to reduce the amount of e-waste than to try and recycle large amounts that keep growing each year.

    We should mandate that all electronics need to be repairable (full repair guides) before that product can be sold in Australia. Android manufacturers should provide at least 5 years of updates, even the budget phones. Batteries in phones should be user-serviceable. Every wireless earbud should have user-serviceable batteries. TVs shouldn't have "smart" features unless they're on a separate box you plug in like a Chromecast. Printers should have ink tanks you can fill-up, not ink cartridges you throw away.

    I can think of several other ideas for reducing e-waste. It's sad that the government couldn't care less when it comes to reducing e-waste.

    • +1

      Some very sensible and economical suggestions. Planned obsolesence is a plight on the environment and society.

      I'm sure the Teals or The Greens or Labor or even LNP will come up with put forward a new tax we can pay instead though, because if we just pay the government then everything just gets betterer and we don't actually have to do anything, right.

  • What councils are you looking for e waste recycling?

    Because its available pretty much available at every council, every weekend across the country. I have a mate in Sydney and his council e waste is available every day of the week. My council in Victoria has 8 transfer stations and e waste recyling is available at all.

    The amount of waste is ridiculous in Australia every needs the newest latest tech etc over consuming is a bigger problem than the recycling. People for example upgrade their phones when their old one still works fine.

  • +1

    'a ute full of chemicals for safe disposal when we were told at the last minute the facility had burnt down and chemical collection probably won't be online again for another six months. For a city the size of Sydney, this is an absolute farce.'

    oh, precious !

    let's start with Sydney - unlike Brisbane - last I looked the world's largest single council area for the entire city - Sydney has a collection of 33 separate and independent local council areas - so - uh, which one are you talking about ?

    while the City of Sydney - small central area with around 230K residents - has a maybe $600M budget and provides generally excellent services including street sweeping and cleaning - rubbish collection tends to be contracted to private companies which often tend to be dodgy and fail to pick up due to 'sick driver' or whatever - and I have read worse stories about some guy who promised latest technology recycling - only for it to be revealed he was nightly sending convoys of many truckloads of rubbish to Ipswich (read about the toxic waste fire air pollution affecting nearby Ipswich residents) to avoid tip fees of $'00's per truck load.

    If your local council is relatively under-resourced - that's the rates you may begrudgingly pay - then it may be difficult for them to enforce special requirements - like disposal of toxic chemicals

    one of my sayings is - anyone can complain - it takes no effort or intelligence to whinge about "I'm not happy" - but actually doing the job and getting the best results is MUCH more difficult - so someone who just complains, I tend to label with a large 'L' for Loser - someone who is actually doing the job to the best of their ability in difficult and constantly changing conditions - I tip my hat and give them the respect they deserve.

    Easy to complain - much harder to DO …

  • I'm outraged! (At the lack of a poll..)

  • +2

    You people have been screaming about this since I was 5 years old.
    Nothing will ever change.

  • +1

    I've basically given up on proper recycling. We are expected to do all the effort yet its ruined by the fact that nothing ever seems to get recycled. Like those plastic bags we used to save and take to coles. All while companies keep releasing products that are landfill or packaging and other crap thats just filled with unrecyclable plastic.

    Governments really need to crack down on products and packaging. everything should be packaged in paper/cardboard unless there is a specific reason it cant be (why do laptop chargers still come in plastic bags), drink bottles should all be the same colour and material so they can all be recycled properly. Get rid of bubble wrap envelopes as paper mesh wrapping is almost as good.

    • +2

      FYI ALL plastic is recyclable, it just isn't economical for lightweight plastics.

      The reason you don't see paper packaging is because it's very expensive.

      For instance, a thin plastic bag (the type banned) cost around 1-2c, biodegradable plastic bag cost ~ 6-8c, the thick 'reusable' plastic bags around 20c, and paper bags at least 50c.

      This can only be fixed with more regulation, but the political gains are minimal so it is ignored.
      Instead states focus on virtue signaling.

      Aluminum recycling is hugely profitable without any subsidies, meanwhile less than 15% of the Aluminum can container levy is redeemed each year. The difference presumably is extra revenue for the state gov.

      • +3

        Australian trees are chopped down, transported to mills, turned into wood chip, put on ships, sent to China, transported to pulp mills, turned into pulp, transported to paper factories, turned into paper and then into bags, transported back to a port, put on ships, transported back to Australia (generally Sydney or Melbourne), put on trucks, transported to all the Woolies and Coles across the country and then some corporate executives publicly crow about how environmentally friendly they are and behind closed doors crow about how they turned what used to be a business expense into a nice little revenue stream.

        If we really wanted to do environmentally friendly packaging we would make the paper bags here.

        Oh and can we please stop spray coating thin layers of micro and nanoplastics on paper and cardboard for cakes and straws and other greenwashed paper packaging.

  • My local council depot 5 minutes away allows all kind of chemical and ewaste drop off 7 days a week, in the middle of Sydney. Not sure what you're on about that nowhere in Sydney accepts chemicals or ewaste…unless you're driving around with a ute full of asbestos?

  • +1

    If you want to get rid of it badly. Why don't you go pay a chemical disposal company to do it properly. Instead of boasting about and expecting others to do it for free.

    • -3

      do it for free

      Found another one who doesn't pay council rates either directly or via higher rents.

  • +1

    We need way less Greta-type whinging and hysterics & more personal action instead. The age of entitlement needs to stop. No one cares about anyone else's personal outrage.

    • -1

      Yes you’re right we all need to change and not rely on government. I’m with OP though they aren’t going enough. If they did it would help the people that don’t, change and think about their usage.

  • +1

    I'm more sickened what they are doing with our housing.

    If you are concerned about waste, then you should want less immigration and less people. More people equals more waste..

  • +2

    I'm sick of government inaction on anything and everything that can actually make a real difference to everyday people.
    I'm sick of the lazy, 'safe', short-term thinking that plagues decision making in this country.

    There are so many examples all across the government. E.g. government supporting immigration at all time highs, yet birth rates at all time lows….

    A real government could make so many changes in key policy within the course of a month… What we have are clowns determined to sit in the middle of the fence and maintain the status quo for their whole terms to hold down their positions. Nationalism has become a thing of the past..

  • Agreed but wrong place to share it. I’ve thought this for years but most on here just care about saving money. I like to save money but I consider the environment first. If only our government did that. In WA it’s the 3 bin FOGO system that is not mandated so many councils still refuse to go it. Then across Australia it’s the soft plastics that stopped 3.5 years ago and still no idea of when we can drop them off again. At least they are “trying” to reduce plastic but still not enough, especially compared to other countries around the world. We as individuals need to do better as our government takes too long to strongly encourage change!!!

  • sad to say this things are just being shipped to china and just dumped or burnt if not just dumped into the ocean

  • +1

    This is one of those leftiest post i cant help but 'agree with' the amount of stuff that should and can be recycled and/or reused in Australia is massive

    The issue is there is 'so much cheap crap' we fill our lives with it isnt worth fixing or recycling opposed to buy 'buying a new one'

    the 'fast Fashion' industry is probably one of the biggest polluters of stuff ending up in landfill and almost all the material is 100% recyclable or reusable

  • +1

    Yeah it sucks. We need more accessible and varied recycling. I wish councils would fund the businesses directly.

  • -1

    I'm sickened by reading snowflakes' complaints about every bleeding thing that is not quite how they'd like it to be - while not lifting a finger to fix it themselves …

    suck it up girlfriend !

  • +3

    P.S. Did you know plastic recycling is a scam - perpetuated by plastic producers like DuPont Chemical

    as the amount of plastic 'recycled' is apparently a tiny fraction like 1% of the amount of new plastic they produce every day - in other words, it's a scam to distract us from the reality they there are befouling the planet with more and more every day.

    So your carefully separating the type of plastic into the right coloured bin for collection - before they dump all the different colored bins into the same truck hopper - could be seen as us being suckered by US multi-national corporations

    who would have thought !? I trusted those nice men in suits - how come they destroyed my planet … ?

  • I know someone who took a job with a big garbo company near Melbourne…driving a garbo truck around the city emptying all the big store/commercial type bins… he said the cardboard recycling was a farce as they used the one truck to take it all together to the depo with the rubbish

    • I’ve heard similar stories but across the country they are in the minority.

  • -1

    "Is Anyone Else Sickened by The Lack of Government Action on Waste and Recycling?"

    -No

    • Clearly you only care about yourself.

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