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Comments

    • TheDukeOfNukem on 20/01/2025 - 19:51
      +62

      I don't give a shit either way since it's not my country and all,

      But just so you know, jumping in and "pre-empting" the other side, is still you starting shit.

    • SBOB on 20/01/2025 - 19:59
      +92

      agreed
      I, along with the rest of the true right leaning conservative side of society wants to get away from the crazy woke politics of today, and back to a simpler, better time.
      Where life was better, and an upcoming leader of the free world (and his wife) can release a meme coin, manipulate an unregulated financial market, and rug pull without those damn lefties pointing out how poor a standard it sets for actual functioning society/government.

      I miss those days.

      • besttechadvisor on 20/01/2025 - 20:07
        +44

        Church on a Sunday, grabbing them by the bussy on a Monday.

      • shroomish on 20/01/2025 - 20:21
        +6

        The insurer has assessed your cancer as being unfortunate and this designation does not meet the requisite standards for intervention.

        • SYLTB on 20/01/2025 - 21:10
          +1

          That megalo and his puppet are trolling coins

        • wetsandwich on 21/01/2025 - 08:17
          -2

          Pretty much. Blokes in dresses and DEI hires all round, including a dementia patient at the head of the sinking ship. Nothing to see here folks..

          • shroomish on 22/01/2025 - 13:20

            @wetsandwich: Yeah but trump is the O.G dementia president, at least since Reagan.

      • bigmudcake on 21/01/2025 - 07:23
        +1

        Ahhh yes,

        Being a 3 year old in the sand pit where, because you couldn't form a rational and respectful conversation, you reverted to fighting and name calling to anyone who was different to you.

        I miss those days.

      • wetsandwich on 21/01/2025 - 08:16
        -2

        I mean, look where the last few years got America.

        Perhaps it's worth noting that both extremist sides of politics are equally toxic in their own way.

        • xrayed giraffe on 21/01/2025 - 09:54
          +11

          "Equally toxic"

          The American left wants universal healthcare, for kids not to get machine gunned at school, live in a habitable planet, and people to be able to afford food and shelter after working 40 hours a week.

          The right want to profit from your illhealth, restrict your ability to access medical care, restrict your decisions over your own body, continue to allow kids to be machine gunned at school, and to syphon as much money from the poor and working class into the pocket of donors so they can sit upon a mass of riches.

          Not really the same thing, is it

    • kungfuman on 20/01/2025 - 23:00

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  • Belgian on 20/01/2025 - 19:50
    +13

    Popcorn time…

  • Lucille Bluth on 20/01/2025 - 20:00

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    • Ash-Say on 20/01/2025 - 21:16
      -1

      I only received Pengu bonus

      Did you receive Trump shares?

      • nanny0tt on 23/01/2025 - 22:44

        thats distributed after campaign is over, but you should see its claimed in the campaign

    • tigerjie on 20/01/2025 - 21:36
      +3

      Why always with limit buys and sells? Aren't fees for all trades @ 0.05% for non VIP?

    • tajid on 21/01/2025 - 17:58
      +1

      Wouldn't it be better to keep them as usdt so no need to exchange again next week?

  • besttechadvisor on 20/01/2025 - 20:03
    +15

    When is TRUMP expected to replace the USD?

    • SBOB on 20/01/2025 - 20:04
      +24

      one of the numerous executive orders for tomorrow

  • thecloudking on 20/01/2025 - 20:03

    Does ING Play nice with OKX?

    • Borgasm on 20/01/2025 - 20:54

      Yes I just transferred $1,000 and cleared instantly

  • VerticallyIntegrated on 20/01/2025 - 20:11
    +7

    $MELANIA is the new $TRUMP

    • darkmoss on 20/01/2025 - 21:42
      +1

      she'd be a better president

    • PainToad on 20/01/2025 - 20:19
      +52

      Why exactly? What policies has he announced (and you believe he’ll actually implement) that you think will benefit your life here in Australia?

        • PainToad on 20/01/2025 - 20:37
          +62

          appreciate his (thus far) anti-war policies

          He literally refused to rule out military force to take Greenland and Panama Canal.

          As for Ukraine, how would you feel if some country invaded us and Trumps response was “give them everything north of Brisbane or we’ll pull support?”. Is that the kind of “peace” you want for the world?

            • beari on 20/01/2025 - 20:53
              +27

              @besttechadvisor: You know what causes more deaths?

              Countries thinking they can invade other countries without consequences.

                • TrafalgarSean on 20/01/2025 - 21:22
                  +17

                  @besttechadvisor: Russia hasn't learnt a (profanity) thing. They aren't pulling out Putin will get Trump to hamstring Ukraine.

                  • The Araldited Wallet on 20/01/2025 - 22:06
                    -2

                    @TrafalgarSean: Old mate’s grip on global politics matched only by his grip on grammar.

                  • besttechadvisor on 20/01/2025 - 22:15
                    -8

                    @TrafalgarSean:

                    Russia hasn't learnt a (profanity) thing.

                    And what would "teach" Russia something?

                    Ukraine has no ability to take back the territory otherwise they would've after 3 years of trying and peak NATO support.

                    Or do you expect another forever war with no ground changing? In which case, is there a limit to the already hundreds of thousands of people who have lost their lives before you think Russia has learnt something?

                    Or do you expect NATO boots on the ground? Something that Russia has explicitly stated will trigger WW3.

                    Seriously, be clear - what are your realistic hopes for Ukraine (and the rest of the world)?

                    • odysseus on 21/01/2025 - 01:10
                      +5

                      @besttechadvisor: "peak NATO support."

                      Actually they've had no NATO support.

                      Some member countries have given varying degrees of assistance themselves - but that's not NATO.

                      The war would likely be over if NATO had actually given support.

                      • besttechadvisor on 21/01/2025 - 11:38
                        -1

                        @odysseus:

                        Some member countries have given varying degrees of assistance themselves - but that's not NATO.

                        NATO countries, yes. Whether under the flag of NATO or not is beside my point.

                        The war would likely be over if NATO had actually given support.

                        Do you mean if NATO went to war with Russia? Yes, it would be over by now. The whole of humanity would likely be over by now.

                        This is beside my actual point: Ukraine has received the most support it will receive (unless this devolves into a world war). Given that, would you like to answer the question I asked?

                        What would "teach" Russia something? What are your realistic hopes for Ukraine (and the rest of the world)?

                • uk3000 on 21/01/2025 - 01:02
                  +3

                  @besttechadvisor:

                  Russia's learnt there are consequences. It's just about an off-ramp now.

                  Russia has never learnt anything, in any of its past or present forms, be a tsar empire, a soviet union, or a kleptocratic nazi mafia dictatorship.

                  • besttechadvisor on 21/01/2025 - 11:39

                    @uk3000:

                    Russia has never learnt anything.

                    Putin's learnt that they can't take Ukraine.

                    Would you like to answer the question?

                    What would "teach" Russia something? What are your realistic hopes for Ukraine (and the rest of the world)?

                    • uk3000 on 22/01/2025 - 10:23

                      @besttechadvisor:

                      Putin's learnt that they can't take Ukraine.

                      No he has not. Of course, his nazi plans haven't gone the way Putin hoped they would, but he will continue throwing russian populace (who is generally happy to go Ukraine to kill for $$$) into his war meet grinder.

                      Moreso, with the current trend of far-right emergence all over the world, and in particular in Europe and the US, Putin's hopes for Ukraine's fall as high as ever.

                      • besttechadvisor on 22/01/2025 - 10:49

                        @uk3000:

                        his nazi plans

                        Godwin's Law

                        Putin's hopes for Ukraine's fall as high as ever.

                        So, let me get this right… You think that Putin still believes he can take Ukraine?

                        In the whole of 2024, Russia captured about… 0.5% of Ukrainian territory. kwikmafs, that's another ~160 years, at the current rate, to grind down Ukraine. Obviously, it's not that simple, but you get my point: Russia's chances are slim.

                        Doesn't matter how many people you throw into a "war meet grinder" if it doesn't break the stalemate…

                        Over 50% of Ukrainians and nearly 80% of Russians support diplomacy. I think we should support them.

                        • uk3000 on 22/01/2025 - 22:11

                          @besttechadvisor:

                          Doesn't matter how many people you throw into a "war meet grinder" if it doesn't break the stalemate…

                          Surely you understand there will be no "stalemate" when the military and financial support to Ukraine from the Western allies dries up?

                          Which is going to happen very soon under Trump's administration and AfD at power in Germany. Leaving Ukraine with a dreadful choice to either capitulate to Russia's fascist demands soon, or keep resisting at its best remaining abilities but end up like Poland in 1939. In both cases Ukraine will cease to exist as a democracy and an independent nation with its own identity.

                          Godwin's Law

                          Ruscism. Refer to what modern scholars have to say on the subject, the links are there.

                          • besttechadvisor on 22/01/2025 - 23:24

                            @uk3000:

                            Surely you understand there will be no "stalemate" when the military and financial support to Ukraine from the Western allies dries up?

                            Surely you understand that is all the more reason to negotiate now if that's what you're afraid of.

                            Which is going to happen very soon under Trump's administration and AfD at power in Germany.

                            That would be strategically idiotic and I don't believe for a second that either Germany or the United States will suddenly cut all funding to Ukraine.

                            They won't fund a forever war though, nor do we want that scenario (or at least, I don't - sounds like you might).

                            Negotiations > Forever War

                            And, again, over 50% of Ukrainians and nearly 80% of Russians support diplomacy. I think we should support them, not your forever war.

                            Ruscism(en.wikipedia.org)

                            Then call them Russists or Ultra-Nationalists, but they're not Nationalist-Socialists so don't throw that claim around.

                            You still haven't properly answered my question:

                            What would "teach" Russia something? What are your realistic hopes for Ukraine (and the rest of the world)?

                            Ukraine's clearly not able to retake all of its territory, especially not Crimea, so please don't suggest that…

                            A serious escalation from the West will only result in an escalation from China and that would work in Putin's favour strategically as well as end a lot more lives, if not result in WW3.

                            • uk3000 on 23/01/2025 - 11:20

                              @besttechadvisor:

                              Then call them Russists or Ultra-Nationalists, but they're not Nationalist-Socialists so don't throw that claim around.

                              Ultra-Nationalists sit in their home country. They don't invade a neighboring country to "liberate" it and merge in its land, rape and kill its people, steal their children, their property, and deprive the remaining ones of their language and culture. This is what fascists do.

                              What would "teach" Russia something? What are your realistic hopes for Ukraine (and the rest of the world)?

                              Nothing. They haven't learned anything in the centuries of their genocidal history, rooting back to Ivan the Terrible's days.

                              My realistic hopes about Ukraine are bleak. The best case scenario would be a South Korea-like one, and that only if the Western allies find political power to station NATO troops along the frozen front line.

                              This however will allow Russia to fully transform into a North Korea-like state itself and completely embrace the fascist ideology and military economy. It will be, though, a lot more powerful economy than that of North Korea, given the vast natural resources and human potential that Russia possesses.

                              Mind you, there are very clever Russian scientists out there to assist Putin with this. They are already willfully helping their country's war machine with advances in military drone tech, rocket industry, IT, etc. Unlike the average Russian populace, who are happy to go to Ukraine to kill for a one-off ~USD $20K down-payment, these are very well-educated individuals, who speak good English, and many of them have studied abroad.

                              Then it will only be a matter of time before Russia regroups and reinvades. The new victim can possibly be any of its neighboring countries which are not in NATO yet, including the remaining part of Ukraine.

                              Sadly, in my humble opinion, any better scenarios for Ukraine, which could have been possible back in WWII times, aren't possible in the current political climate, where democracy is being sunset all over the world.

                              • besttechadvisor on 23/01/2025 - 12:16

                                @uk3000:

                                Ultra-Nationalists sit in their home country. They don't invade a neighboring country…

                                😂😂😂

                                This is what fascists do.

                                It seems you are conflating "fascist" with "nationalist socialist" and don't understand the difference.

                                Russia is not nationalist-socialist.

                                [Russians] haven't learned anything in the centuries of their genocidal history, rooting back to Ivan the Terrible's days

                                Oh, so you think it's an inherent problem with the Russian race? 🫣

                                My realistic hopes about Ukraine are bleak. The best case scenario would be a South Korea-like one, and that only if the Western allies find political power to station NATO troops along the frozen front line.

                                So why are you arguing to continue the war if your hopes are bleak anyway? Why continue killing thousands of people?

                                You've not given any reason to continue with your forever war.

                                Then it will only be a matter of time before Russia regroups and reinvades. The new victim can possibly be any of its neighboring countries which are not in NATO yet, including the remaining part of Ukraine.

                                That depends on the results of the negotiations. Hopefully Ukraine can join NATO. Russia won't go to war with NATO…

                                Trump is already threatening further sanctions on Russia, btw.

                                • uk3000 on 23/01/2025 - 12:30

                                  @besttechadvisor:

                                  So why are you arguing to continue the war if your hopes are bleak anyway? Why continue killing thousands of people?

                                  It's a tough question. Ask yourself what you would do if a gang of mafia goons broke into your house and started raping and killing your family, and the police is not coming fast enough to save you all. Or not coming at all. But some of your neighbors are kind enough to throw you a knife and may be a gun.

                                  I recon you would probably fight and die. I want to think I'd do the same. I am not saying this is the right choice for everyone. Some would probably run away or try to negotiate and surrender into slavery.

                                  Anyhow, thanks for the discussion, but I have to wrap up this little debate.

                                  • besttechadvisor on 23/01/2025 - 14:41
                                    -1

                                    @uk3000:

                                    Ask yourself what you would do if …

                                    We don't have to make up some non-equivalent hypothetical scenario when we have already polled the Ukrainian population on the real situation, and the majority support negotiations, not your forever war.

                                    Oh and if you have further doubts about fascism ideology of modern Russia …

                                    I called you out on your use of the word "Nazi", not "fascist". Stop conflating the two. Russia isn't nationalist socialist.

                              • uk3000 on 23/01/2025 - 12:20

                                @uk3000: Oh and if you have further doubts about fascism ideology of modern Russia, please do spend some time watching Russian Media Monitor and try to absorb what is going on on their state TV in prime time. Joe Goebbels would have been very proud of the modern Russian propaganda's performance.

                                I assume you are not a native Russian speaker, which would allow you to fully sense all the ugliness of this content. It though comes with the subtitles authored by a journalist who does speak Russian.

            • dealhunter52 on 20/01/2025 - 21:20
              +12

              @besttechadvisor: This sort of appeasement lead to WW2.

              You give bully a inch, they will take a meter.

              • besttechadvisor on 20/01/2025 - 21:52
                -4

                @dealhunter52: Ukraine's not on its way to WW2, it's stuck in the middle of WW1 trench warfare with thousands and thousands of deaths piling up yet no movement.

                It's easy to make your comments about standing up to bullies when you're not a conscript in a trench.

                Furthermore, it was Bush's appeasement in Georgia in 2008 and Obama's in Donbas in 2014 that lead to this hot war.

                You're all acting like hundreds of thousands of people haven't already died.

                • dealhunter52 on 20/01/2025 - 22:02
                  +5

                  @besttechadvisor: What are the chances Putin won't launch a attack after 4 years?

                  That megalomaniac is imperialist and want to recreate Soviet Union. He has said openly that "collapse of Soviet Union was biggest human tragedy".

                  Everyone knows Trump loves dictators, whether it's Putin or Kim Jong Un or Erdogan. Only countries he hates is US allies like Canada, UK, France, Germany, Japan etc etc. He will arm twist Ukraine to appease Putin.

                  • besttechadvisor on 20/01/2025 - 22:36
                    -4

                    @dealhunter52:

                    What are the chances Putin won't launch a attack after 4 years?

                    Very, very low. I think he just wants to save face and get out of the blunder he's in now.

                    His military is decimated. His mercenaries tried a coup. NATO has armed itself to the teeth and is ready to welcome Ukraine in if given the opportunity…

                    Here's a decent article:

                    https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/9/30/has-russias-mil…

                    Only countries Trump hates is US allies like Canada, UK, France, Germany, Japan etc etc. He will arm twist Ukraine to appease Putin.

                    Trump doesn't hate Germany etc, he mostly wants them to spend more on defence, which is a good thing for Ukraine.

                    • dealhunter52 on 20/01/2025 - 22:42
                      +5

                      @besttechadvisor:

                      Very, very low. I think he just wants to save face and get out of the blunder he's in now. His military is decimated. His mercenaries tried a coup. NATO has armed itself to the teeth and is ready to welcome Ukraine in if given the opportunity…

                      That's a pipe dream. He's got allies like North Korea, Iran and China who are ready to put their defence industrial base behind his future wars. Both Iran and North Korea have signed multi-decade defence pacts with Russia. He doesn't care about man power, he can recruit from ex-Soviet republics, North Korea and even Africa and Asia. There are so many Chinese, Nepalese, Vietnamese and Indians fighting in his forces in Ukraine, apart from North Koreans.

                      • besttechadvisor on 20/01/2025 - 22:51
                        -3

                        @dealhunter52:

                        That's a pipe dream.

                        Nah, I think Al Jazeera hit the nail on the head.

                        He's got allies like North Korea, Iran and China who are ready to put their defence industrial base behind his future wars.

                        Israel is itching to wipe out Iran, America just won't let them.

                        North Korea is a completely ineffective ally. South Korea has double the population and an economy over 60 times that of North Korea. Now that's an effective ally.

                        China… China is a problem, but that's all the more reason the US needs to refocus on the Pacific.

            • Frukoz on 20/01/2025 - 21:28
              +7

              @besttechadvisor: While I appreciate your pro-peace argument, and putting aside for a second how reliable trump is as POTUS, I'm afraid his behaviour will have the opposite effect.
              By bullying & threatening US allies, and being soft on Putin, this sends a message to the world that the US will tolerate force being used to take territory. We already know that going in with soft concessions on Russia doesn't work - since they took over Crimea, and then invaded Ukraine. With Trump acting in this manner, many expect Russia to continue their aggression, but also it gives China much more breathing room to take back Taiwan, something that they are very set on doing. Australia will likely have to choose if it wants to get involved in this conflict by siding with Japan/Europe or stay out of it. But of course, then it's open season for conflict. If we don't stand up to Putin. If we bully our allies. This will result in more geopolitical unrest, and more conflict.

              • besttechadvisor on 20/01/2025 - 22:01

                @Frukoz: First of all, the majority of Ukrainians want to negotiate to end the war.

                I'm afraid his behaviour will have the opposite effect.

                Me too.

                By bullying & threatening US allies, and being soft on Putin-

                Going to stop you right there. Again, hundreds of thousands of people have already died. Putin already knows he's screwed up. His military is decimated, there was an attempted coup. It's not a "soft" situation in any sense. There's nothing else to teach Putin. This war needs to end.

                We already know that going in with soft concessions on Russia doesn't work - since they took over Crimea, and then invaded Ukraine.

                Because of Obama, yes…

                Also, Crimea is Ukraine.

                With Trump acting in this manner, many expect Russia to continue their aggression

                Who expects that? Russia can't continue its aggression. Russia is decimated. And where do you expect it to continue to? Russia is not going to invade Poland.

                What exactly do you think will happen that's worse than what's happening now?

                It gives China much more breathing room to take back Taiwan, something that they are very set on doing.

                No, it doesn't. In fact, China's aggression is one of the main arguments for ending the war in Ukraine and preventing worsening of the situation in the Middle East. The United States cannot fight a global war on 3 fronts. It needs to refocus its resources in the Pacific.

                • Frukoz on 20/01/2025 - 22:50
                  +4

                  @besttechadvisor: I'd just like to point out a couple of things:

                  Because of Obama, yes…

                  Agreeing with my original point just so that you can blame a democrat.

                  Also, Crimea is Ukraine.

                  We all know Crimea was a part of Ukraine. You knew what the point of my argument was but you still needed to find a technicality that has nothing to do with our discussion.

                  You are not having this discussion in good faith. You just want to be right. So there's no point in continuing this, but I really hope you are right to trust Trump with geopolitics for all of our sakes. Guess we'll find out.

                  • besttechadvisor on 20/01/2025 - 23:07
                    -1

                    @Frukoz:

                    Agreeing with my original point just so that you can blame a democrat.

                    Not at all. If you look at my other comments, you'll notice I also blamed Bush for being soft on Russia, but Obama was more directly responsible for Crimea, which is the region you mentioned specifically.

                    "Furthermore, it was Bush's appeasement in Georgia in 2008 and Obama's in Donbas in 2014 that lead to this hot war."

                    I have no love for either American party, nor the two-party system.

                    I also didn't agree with your original point. I've made the argument thoroughly elsewhere in this thread that Ukraine has not been soft on Russia.

                    Though, whether to appease or not to appease a warmonger is a choice that needs to be made before a nation is brought into a war. Bush & Obama should've not appeased Russia when they had the chance. Ukraine is already at war with Russia now. Has been for 3 years. There is no 'appeasing' Russia at this point, there are only negotiations or a forever war… or worse.

                    Personally, I think negotiations make more sense…

                    We all know Crimea was a part of Ukraine. You knew what the point of my argument was but you still needed to find a technicality that has nothing to do with our discussion.

                    I'd just like to point out a couple of things

                    You are not having this discussion in good faith.

                    Yes, I am arguing in good faith. I'm the one making the argument that most Ukranians support instead of the vague claims that most people (not you) in this thread have made of "we need to stand up to bullies" as if we are doing anything and hundreds of thousands of Ukranians haven't already died standing up to Russia.

                    You just want to be right. So there's no point in continuing this, but I really hope you are right to trust Trump with geopolitics for all of our sakes. Guess we'll find out.

                    I'm not committed to being right. My language has been pretty un-confident:

                    "I think (hope) … I seriously doubt … I'll eat my words … thus far…"

                    I don't trust Trump. All I've said is:
                    a) I appreciate that Trump has been anti-war so far and that's been good for Australia - I hope it continues
                    b) Ukraine's situation is not going to improve and it's best that a diplomatic resolution is sought

                    Wild opinions, I know.

            • odysseus on 21/01/2025 - 01:14
              +1

              @besttechadvisor: "Practically, the war's basically a stalemate "

              The only reason that is is because of inadequate support - and what support there is has been late and ridiculously limited. Even the few significant weapons they've gotten they've been unable to use outside their own territory for the most part.

              Imagine playing a game of basketball… but you can only play defense, on your side. Your team can't go on offense (except in very limited situations)..

              Do you think you'd win many games? And they're the victim, outnumbered and massively outresourced, and working against the element of surprise which gave Russia an advantage. When the game's stacked against them, how could they win as it stands?

              There's no reason for the war to be a statemate, except the conditions principally the US have put on all their limited support.

              • besttechadvisor on 21/01/2025 - 08:04

                @odysseus: I don't think that would make the war any less of a stalemate. It hasn't in the past few months. I think the most it would've done is change where stalemate sits, but it would still be a stalemate. There's no reason to think that China won't begin sending complete weapons systems to Russia if we give them the excuse. In which case, all we'd have then is a much deadlier stalemate.

                Don't forget that the West has already spent more in the past 3 years on military aid to Ukraine than it did on sending aid to Afghanistan during 2 decades of invasion and occupation.

                I also don't think the US government really cares about Ukrainians. I think the US government has been exploiting Ukraine to its own advantage to wear down Russia. That needs to stop.

          • abc on 20/01/2025 - 20:49
            +1

            @PainToad: He's all bluster. Make threats to get a negotiating position and then work out a "deal". Pretty much a domineering business type transaction.

            Mainstream politics hates it as diplomacy is out the window with Trump. With politics being so toxic and out of touch, I'd say this is even a breath of fresh air.

            • PainToad on 20/01/2025 - 20:55
              +3

              @abc:

              He's all bluster. Make threats to get a negotiating position and then work out a "deal". Pretty much a domineering business type transaction.

              Or he’s an old man who’s losing his mind and in control of nukes. This time, because of Project 2026, there’ll be no sane people to control him.

              Yes, I also thought Biden was too old.

          • 6079 Smith on 20/01/2025 - 21:37
            +1

            @PainToad: I’d prefer it if they took everything north of the Tweed tbh

            • Ham Dragon on 21/01/2025 - 11:40

              @6079 Smith: 52nd state LFG…we'd be paying a lot less taxes! And with dual citizenship easy enough to hop the border & access that sweet nationalised health care.

          • Spets on 20/01/2025 - 22:34
            -1

            @PainToad: How do you think USA would react if Canada allowed China to put bases on their territory? Oh wait, we had a similar scenario in that led to the Cuban missile crisis in the 60's.

            • Abraxsas on 20/01/2025 - 22:57
              -1

              @Spets: Canada already has Chinese Bases…you just dont know about it. You can thank Castro's son Justin Trudeau.

            • Spets on 21/01/2025 - 08:51

              @Spets: negs but no retorts, typical TDS.

          • ayum1 on 20/01/2025 - 23:50
            -2

            @PainToad: Ukraine and NATO encroached on Russia.

            • dealhunter52 on 21/01/2025 - 13:16

              @ayum1:

              Ukraine and NATO encroached on Russia.

              How's that working for Putler? Sweden and Finland joined NATO because of his invasion of Ukraine. Europe is arming itself at fastest pace in last 50 years.

              Ukraine is an independent country and should be allowed to make their own decisions. Ukrainians want to freedom and prosperity, and their future lies with Europe.

              Russia wants to impose it's repressive regime on Ukraine just like it's lapdog Belarus. Putler is a paranoid little old megalomaniac.

        • Pdubes on 20/01/2025 - 20:53
          +1

          Oh I guess then you will love a weak US when China invades Taiwan.

        • PainToad on 20/01/2025 - 21:13
          +8

          “Woke” existed last time Trump was president.

        • OzzyBrak on 21/01/2025 - 03:48

          Everything I’ve read has said bipartisan support for a deal was critical to getting it closed. They’d been working on it for over 15 months. A change in administration put a deadline on and Trump and his team provided strong bipartisan support.

          Anyone who thinks that whole deal was a Trump effort is delusional.

      • wetsandwich on 21/01/2025 - 08:18

        The stock market was insane easy free money last time he was in office. I made around $300k trading options. Will do again this time most likely.

        Step back from the outrage and just use it as an opportunity to get ahead of the people who just screech until they turn red from rage.

    • Nathw on 20/01/2025 - 20:27
      -6

      Alright, I’m braced for the downvotes, don’t hold back! Go ahead and silence anyone who doesn’t agree with you. It’s that exact energy that handed him the landslide win. 🤣

      • SargeantPi on 20/01/2025 - 20:37
        -1

        Interestingly Ozbargain does seem more left leaning, which I'm a bit surprised with as I thought that sensible spenders would likely be more conservative… but anyway, yeah, some people get easily upset if you have a different political view to theirs. Crazy in America that some are pushing the whole "if your relative is a Trump supporter, cut them out of your circle" nonsense.

        • PainToad on 20/01/2025 - 20:45
          +37

          would likely be more conservative

          Trump isn’t conservative.

          Conservatives want to protect democracy. Conservatives support free markets and capitalism, not tariffs.

          Bush and Howard were conservatives. Trump is a populist.

          • TheDukeOfNukem on 20/01/2025 - 20:47
            +10

            @PainToad: PainToad be spitting straight facts as always, son

            Crazy people don't know the difference anymore.

            • PainToad on 20/01/2025 - 20:50
              +14

              @TheDukeOfNukem: Conversations also generally don’t have multiple ex wives, children to multiple women, brag about being able to sexual assault women on tape or found liable for sexual abuse by a jury of his peers.

              If you like Trump, own it. But don’t twist who he is to justify it to yourself.

              • Daabido on 20/01/2025 - 21:00
                +5

                @PainToad: I stand with all conversationalists. They save me participating in meetings.

              • TheDukeOfNukem on 20/01/2025 - 21:42
                +5

                @PainToad: I have a mate like that. Single dude, (supposedly) wants to have kids and stuff, despite being in his mid 30s and so far making no progress. Serial dater, like every month he'll see at least a good dozen girls and that's on a low end. Yet if a girl has been with that many guys, she's a slag not worth his time. Owns an apartment and whatnot (mortgaged, but still), works a decent paying job, but like, he's adament he doesn't want a girl to take half his stuff, yet expects her to … know what, you get the idea. He drinks and smokes (dope) too for what that's worth.

                But dude calls himself conservative without a shred of irony. He used to be a Christadelphian, God only knows if and what he does now, but he rarely went to church or anything, but would call himself religious. I'm like, bro, you understand an actual conservative is all about that old timey values system where sure, you have the missus and the kid and that, but YOU are meant to provide, YOU are meant to actually be active with your religion stuff, no drugs, no premarital, yada yada. Like bro you're not conservative, you're capitalistic and self centered at best, at worst you're bordering on a misogynistic (profanity). Edit: Today I found out w-a-n-k-e-r is canned on here.

                Moral of the story: Meanings don't change (necessarily), but people definitely lose sight of meanings.

                • Ham Dragon on 21/01/2025 - 11:45
                  -2

                  @TheDukeOfNukem: You consider someone you talk shit about online behind their back a "mate"? Not sure the feeling would be mutual if they knew about this.

                  • TheDukeOfNukem on 21/01/2025 - 12:13

                    @Ham Dragon: Not really. More of a (profanity) I know and vaguely keep in touch with out of a misplaced sense of obligation. Dude's a fine friend to me and every other guy I know that he knows…I just think he's a bit of a tool when it comes to women and frankly I'd be a tool too if I gave his behaviour a pass because it doesn't affect me personally.

                    • Ham Dragon on 21/01/2025 - 15:11
                      +1

                      @TheDukeOfNukem: Quite a confusing situation…despite everyone else seemingly liking this guy, you don't approve of his attitudes, and only stay in touch out of some weird sense of obligation, and talking about this person anonymously online is supposedly not giving them a pass. Why not just not be friends with someone if you don't like their opinions & have no real desire to socialise with them?

          • abc on 20/01/2025 - 20:52
            +1

            @PainToad: Well the Liberal Party in Australia certainly are not the political definition of "liberal".

          • Pdubes on 20/01/2025 - 21:08
            +3

            @PainToad: Not an expert but I think Trump is well positioned in the Venn diagram of conservatism. He is for one thing a white nationalist, which skews away from Reagan conservatism but he is roughly as jingoistic as Bush. I would argue his nationalism is not far from Howard's in some respects. Both used nationalist messaging in a populist manner, Trump more so. Also with conservatism, the subset that is Christian and have 'Christian conservative' social values, Trump won their votes on squashing Row vs Wade, white Christian Nationalist messaging (and in ways antithetical to religious freedoms for other ethnic minorities, eg Muslim ban) and flogs his own bible of course.

            I would say that the Venn diagram of conservatism is wider than what you're suggesting and it's not all about neo-liberalism, free trade etc

            • Frukoz on 20/01/2025 - 21:43
              +2

              @Pdubes: No, I think it's very important to separate Trump and MAGA from conservatism. Trump only cares about Trump. He will flip flop on anything depending on how it affects him personally. That's why there's endless hypocrisies with MAGA. He was a democrat for a while. He's even donated to Harris in the past.

              • Pdubes on 21/01/2025 - 06:55

                @Frukoz: Play the ball not the man. You're not describing anything specific to conservatism, just his persona. His policies that go beyond a 'concept of a plan' are rendered from conservativism.

          • Abraxsas on 20/01/2025 - 23:01
            -2

            @PainToad: lol…Howard is a Fabian Socialist and Bush is a Neo Con. Trump is a Business man doing what should of been done a long time ago.

        • chepsk8 on 20/01/2025 - 21:44
          +2

          Seem more left leaning? Where you here for the "What is a woman" free movie "deal"?

        • wetsandwich on 21/01/2025 - 08:19
          -2

          "Interestingly Ozbargain does seem more left leaning"

          Actually not at all in most discussions, they will usually pile onto the weaker leftists who want society to hold their hand.
          It's just that any trump thread anywhere on the internet seems to automatically activate all the dormant bot accounts to suddenly find time to do nothing but downvote and then slip back into the shadows.

          • PainToad on 21/01/2025 - 10:02

            @wetsandwich:

            all the dormant bot accounts

            Me: 56 posts / 16407 comments
            You: 4 posts / 725 comments

            I'm hardly "dormant".

      • PainToad on 20/01/2025 - 20:43
        +11

        Go ahead and silence anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

        I literally asked for you to expand on your opinion. How is that silencing you? You have your soap box, speak away…

        Or do you actually have nothing of substance to say besides some vague stuff about woke or vaccines or something? It just going along with what Murdoch/Sky News tells you to think?

        I’m all ears…You’re not being silenced.

        • Frukoz on 20/01/2025 - 20:57
          +9

          You asked a fair question and they made themselves out to be a victim. Straight out of the MAGA playbook.

      • PsyWulf on 20/01/2025 - 21:48
        +3

        Oh yeah that 1.5% popular vote landslide

        Definitely a record,the greatest of all landslides that ever happened

        • jackspratt on 21/01/2025 - 21:15
          -1

          Nope, it was even bigger than that.

          • PsyWulf on 21/01/2025 - 22:06

            @jackspratt: Incorrect

            75,019,257 votes (48.4%)
            77,303,573 votes (49.9%)

            Shall I pull out a calculator?

            • jackspratt on 21/01/2025 - 22:22

              @PsyWulf: Have a look for your sarcasm detector at the same time. 😊

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