So according to ABC, Union demands 32% payrise over 4 years, and Government only offers 11% over 3 years.
https://youtu.be/Tc5hbL7FPpg?t=76
your thoughts? And are you affected? comments below.
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- 21They deserve it, 32% it is.
- 85In ya dreams, what makes them special than the rest of us.
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Ambit claim to be negotiated down?
Sack them all and deport them to Mexico.
Mexico aint that bad brother! haha
24 hour trains
Years ago when I was in Melbourne, I was going home around midnight or more and my cousin picked me up with his car. I told him that I wish public transport open 24/7 maybe wait until the train driver is robot … Now we have Metro in Sydney without human driver …
Last 1-2 year I also said to a work colleague that public transport should be free, so less cars on the road. If this happens, less car accidents, faster deliveries, and more fresh air too. Maybe some day all cars will be electric …
RICL (Rolling in Carriage Laughing)
For years Unions fought for reduced hours, arguing that workers needed a life. No Sunday's, No 24 hour shops, Christmas, Boxing day off etc etc.
Now a Union demanding workers be on for 24 hours. 365 days a year.
Of course some commuters would love 24 hour trains but how many and would it be economical - ie no need to inrease fares to cover this cost?
Are the unions here more concerned for their members or the travelling public
🤣🤣🤣
They will all soon be redundant…
Do you want them to do the Metro route and go 'driverless' trains?
Not enough information.
Whats the current wage? Comparison with industry standards both domestic and international?
Are the claims about OT, penalties and non payments or delays true?
I mean, cmon. If this is happening, where basics like increased AL allowances arent paid, then theyll just haemorrhage drivers to other networks.
Edit - just sharing the SA agreement
38 hours standard, capped at 80 over the fortnight in max 10 shifts
All normal penalties, crib, book off time etc inc attending not required
Mainline driver is on $1600pw pre penalties and allowances
AL is 4 weeks but 5 weeks if working shift (standard)
https://www.rtbusant.org.au/Agreements/RC%20Rail%20Operation…
Also, how long since their last pay rise, when did the last agreement expire?
Recent inflation could very well mean they are going backwards in wages.
https://www.fwc.gov.au/document-search/view/3/aHR0cHM6Ly9zYX…
Page 149 would seem to put Drivers on $1694 per week pre penalties and allowances. I
thought it would be much higher than SA due to the absolutely unhinged cost of Sydney.
Someone at base is monitoring the driverless trains, but having used the metro i only wish all the lines were metros now
why did you write 32% over 4 years instead of 8% a year?
what makes them special than the rest of us.
why cant the poll be simple yes or no? Clearly you want the votes to be one sided.
Because it might be 12% with sign on, 10% in the second year, 6% in the 3rd and 4% in the 4th year.
FFS
A 32 per cent pay rise over four years or an 8 per cent annual increase has been called for.
The above is from this article. But it's also not really 32% either. It's around 36% since it's 8%/pa compounded.
Article probably assisted by AI bot (like most are these days) and thought it was smart perfoming basic maths. It's very common for new agreements to have various rises per year with the biggest rise generally on signing.
@MS Paint: It's definitely at least 8% per year.
https://fightingforourfuture.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2024/…
yeah your math is spot on buddy. Maybe take an english class too so you know what acronym to use at what scenario.
for your own sake obviously ;)At least I use capital letters correctly. FFS.
The train disruption will affect commuters and have a significant effect on travel times. Whilst this has no effect for me as I'm in Melbourne, I'm still affected by this.
I think the world is a better place when workers can negotiate their own pay deals without internet randoms trying to stoke jealousy by trading off workers against each other.
Honestly, both sides have ambit claims. How about OP worry about the EBA in their own workplace rather than trying to stoke jealousy between workers?
OP's next poll - CEO salaries vs. worker remuneration. Or maybe, should workers accept their employer's low-ball bid or hold out for something more?
Okay, I wasn't seriously expecting it to happen, but one can dream, eh?
Aren't they public sector workers? If so, why shouldn't we be able to discuss how much of our public funds they get.
If they're private then yeah, not really anyone else's problem.
You can discuss whatever you like, but ultimately no moreso than you can discuss how much Bunnings staff get paid simply because your superannuation fund happens to own shares in Wesfarmers.
Agreed
NGL but next to construction union members and maritime workers they don't really deserve it.
I've increased 9% over 3 years and currently 2% behind my equivalent wage including inflation.
A 32% pay rise is heinous.
Bring in automated trains.
Union demands 32% payrise over 4 years
They need to hold up "stop signs" to justify that kind or pay rise
Apparently someone can’t handle the truth. Phantom cowardly negger again.
I don't understand. Why do workers in the public sector always get special treatment? Been seeing this for the last 15 or 20 years. I know public workers with every 2nd Friday off, tax-free superannuation, massively discounted private health cover, huge payouts, heaps of holidays and long-service leave, teachers on $150k salaries with only a bachelors degree, public servants sitting around having meetings all day and going out for lunch. I've just checked what Sydney trains pay for different kinds of positions and these are very reasonable rates of pay. On top of the wage rise they want 1% extra superannuation and a 35-hour week.
32% over 4 years is much higher than the current rate of inflation, plus far higher than I've seen in the private sector.
It has been tough in some areas of the private sector over the last 5 years, and for workers without promotions I've seen 2-3% wage increases annually, much lower than the rate of inflation.
It's not like everyone in my company can stop work and demand an 8% pay rise instead of 2-3%. Anyone trying to organize something like that is likely to be fired.
Sounds like everyone in your company needs to join a union then. This is how the system is supposed to work.
This is how the system is supposed to work.
By threatening the economy and crippling key infrastructure to get your 32% pay rise?
No mate, it should be a free market. If you are not happy with your pay, move on, someone else is happy to take over until there is no workers left who is willing to do the position and the government/company amend the position benefits and the next willing worker comes in.
Bring on the Metro
if they asked for a dental plan and had a catchy tune ill support them!
To be honest, good on them.
Workers have been way too willing to just lay down and take minimal or no pay rises, and then when we see something like this we think that 8% is asking too much because everyone else is getting minimal rises.
But (profanity) it, I wish I got that sort of payout and that my union was willing to actually try harder for me instead of accepting some shitty 2% payrise each year which just means I'm losing money.
I was contemplating to post an elaborate comment on the issue. Then my significant half summarized it perfectly as "this city has become a joke".
Merged from [Maybe] Sydney Trains Shutdown (Fri - Sun), Does It Impact You?
At the time of writing this post the shutdown is likely to go ahead this weekend
My wife takes train to work on Saturday to city and there's no other way to reach work meaning she would be losing good amount of money (~$300) for that day. We're around 150kms (both ways) away so there's no option to get cab as well as that's not worth it.
Does it impact others as well? What's your say on the demands by the rail workers, saw their salary on 9 news and they make around 125k/ year which I believe is good enough or am I missing something.
Poll Result
- <Yes, I travel to and from work using train> (1 vote)
- <No, I use my own car to get to work> (0 vote)
- < I don't care, I WFH> (6 votes)
Does It Impact You?
No
I created the poll just for you @jv
Nope doesn't impact me. Your wife does a 300km round trip to make $300 on a Saturday?
Corrected the post, it's both ways
Your wife travels a 300km round trip to make $300 for the day???
She must love her work.
Both ways, post updated
Yes. More road users this week.
You could always step up as a loving, caring partner and drive her to work (assuming she doesn't drive).
I thought so but what would I do waiting for 7 hours..
Shopping with a $300 budget.
I have been to Sydney for a while but I recall last time it was very easy to fill in 7 hours. I would grab a Spanian kebab and sit in a nice park to eat it. Go for a walk along a nice beach. Have a power nap so in safe for the return leg. Swing by the Art Gallery. Catch up on some YouTube and ozbargain. Surely that's 7 hours.
I thought so but what would I do waiting for 7 hours..
Do uber trips. Somehow I think there will be a particularly high demand this weekend.
and spend the $300 she will earn on the day
create gofund
do 300km fund raising
start walking
go to work
walk homeget paid at work and gofund
ill chip in a dollar to see it happen
32% over 4 years in crazy and the exact reason why so many public assests end up private
However they are well within their rights to fight for better conditions i dont really see what the state government can do but bend over as these diruptions would be costing the state billions
They probably went backwards in real income during the 12 years of the Coalition wage cap. This is what I read about the nurses wage claim so they are probably in the same boat.
"Nurses in NSW deserve our support as they prepare to strike on Wednesday. When it comes to underpayment, they’ve been given a raw deal.
From 2012 to 2023, their wages were suppressed by the Coalition’s 2.5 per cent cap on public sector pay. After the COVID inflation spike, their real pay is now more than 10 per cent lower than two decades ago based on Consumer Price Index (CPI). It’s more like 15 per cent lower if you use the Living Cost Index, which takes proper account of housing costs."
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/nsw-nurses-want-a-better…
in fairness this would be 'true' for most average workers not just those paid by the government
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-21/sydney-rail-strike-up…
"Sydney trains will operate this weekend after the NSW government reached a deal with the rail union to prevent a train strike.
The government has agreed to run as many 24-hour train services as possible this weekend, starting tonight."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-20/nsw-train-strike-sydn…
not only 32% but a shopping list of demands
more super
35 working week, 24 hour trains, annual leave increased to five weeks for non-shift workers and six weeks for shift workers. long service leave needs to be available after seven years, and five years for pro rata on retirement