Would You Review Footage From Your Home Security Cameras

mrhugo on 04/11/2024 - 18:35

For people with home security cameras, would you review footage from your home security cameras for people who park in field of view (FOV) of the cameras.

It could be for people who just parked in FOV of the camera, or others in the street who appear to deliberately & continually park their vehicles in those chosen spots, for which the owners home is a few houses down (and with multiple free car spots along the way at all times).

To be clear, I don't have a request pending, but I've been asked by the LPD to review footage for another matter (which I didn't have as I only had ~2 month retention back then), and happily complied.

Ouside the LPD I don't other strong position for the general public but would probably do it..unless that offer was abused.

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Comments

  • askbargain on 04/11/2024 - 18:41
    +26

    Thanks for explaining FOV. now what is your post about?

    • MS Paint on 04/11/2024 - 18:44
      +20

      The London Police Department (LPD) silly.

  • Hybroid on 04/11/2024 - 18:42
    +10

    If there was a valid reason to do so, and you might help someone by doing so, why not?

    • El cheepo on 04/11/2024 - 22:40
      -2

      Because the police usually do nothing with the footage so its a waste of time.

      I’ve handed over footage of someone breaking into my car with their car rego and faces clearly visible.
      They never followed up on it.

      Thats not a lone case, im sure many others have similar stories.

      At the end of the day, the police force is spread thin.
      The fact they are asking people to do the work for them shows that, but it also likely means its not for anything high on their priority list so ultimately will be a waste of time.

      • ozboygsl on 05/11/2024 - 07:20
        +3

        The fact that they are asking people to do their job for them shows they won't do their job themselves but want to give the illusion of being willing to do something. They won't.

        • El cheepo on 05/11/2024 - 10:32
          +3

          Exactly.
          If it was something they were genuinely interested in they would just ask for copies of the videos and search themselves.

          Im not anti police, i appreciate the work they do.

          But they don’t give a damn unless it’s a major crime.

  • donga100 on 04/11/2024 - 18:43
    +26

    others in the street who appear to deliberately & continually park their vehicles in those chosen spots, for which the owners home is a few houses down (and with multiple free car spots along the way at all times).

    You realise that street parking is not solely reserved for the owner of the house it is in front of, right?

      • p1 ama on 04/11/2024 - 23:35
        +12

        I'm genuinely curious why parking in front of someone's house is discourteous.

        • Odin on 05/11/2024 - 07:39
          +10

          If you're on a busy street. Makes no difference.

          If you're on an empty street. It's weird.

          Parking in front of your own home on an otherwise empty street is the normal thing to do

          • p1 ama on 05/11/2024 - 12:53

            @Odin:

            If you're on an empty street. It's weird.

            But why is it weird? I'm not trying to be a dick, just trying to understand the logic behind it.

            You can think of plenty of permutations where it might be necessary or preferable to park in front of another house - e.g. I used to live on a corner block, so if I parked on the street, it had to be in front of someone else's house, I also used to live on a street where I would have to head in the opposite direction in the morning, so I would park on the other side of the road in front of someone else's house so I wouldn't need to do a three point turn every day.

            FWIW, my neighbour regularly parks his car in front of my house, I've never even noticed it as something discourteous. How territorial people can be often surprises me - it's not just the boundaries of their block of land anymore, but extends to the footpath in front of their house, their nature strip, the roads around them, the view in front of their window…etc.

            • Odin on 05/11/2024 - 17:27
              +1

              @p1 ama: Because when you're on a big empty street, you associate the front of your home with your own space (whether legally true or not, its what happens).

              Since the whole street is usually empty, it would make sense to use the space outside your own home.

              It's just cutesy

              I have the same thing as you, where I have to turn around to travel in my direction in the morning, I do a 3 point turn because I park in front of my house.

              On rare occasions I have parked on my neighbours side for a short period of time because I'm immediately taking off in that direction, and even then, I'm conscious of the fact that I'm "in their space" and don't like doing it.

              I just consider it a rude thing to do (if it's not necessary)

              • p1 ama on 05/11/2024 - 20:11
                +1

                @Odin:

                Because when you're on a big empty street, you associate the front of your home with your own space (whether legally true or not, its what happens). Since the whole street is usually empty, it would make sense to use the space outside your own home. It's just cutesy

                This is circular reasoning though - you're basically saying "it's not courteous because people don't like it, and people don't like it because it's not courteous".

                There needs to be some reason behind it - e.g. it's courteous to cover your mouth when you cough so others don't get sick, it's courteous to not be loud in a library because others are concentrating…etc.

                I just consider it a rude thing to do (if it's not necessary)

                So how necessary must it be before it becomes not rude?

                FWIW, I'm not engaging in the discussion purely about where people want to park on a street, but rather, because I think this sort of attitude / NIMBYism just makes me question people's sensibilities. We talk all the time about the need to increase density and build more houses, but if people can't deal with a car parked in front of their house, how are we ever all supposed to live together in high density housing happily?

                Maybe we're just coming at it from different angles - my parents owned a house almost right next to a school, so naturally street parking was just a free-for-all and there were always cars everywhere on the street. I eventually moved to live a walking distance from a train station, again, where street parking was just a free-for-all. Now living in a semi-dense suburban area where parking is less of a free-for-all, but there's still enough cars around that you see them parked on the street fairly often (and many houses are multi-generational with like 3+ cars).

                Anyway, I only park in my garage / driveway now, so no big deal to me, but it sounds like some people just need to build a fence and then they won't see any cars in front of their house anymore.

                • Odin on 05/11/2024 - 21:11
                  +1

                  @p1 ama: I gave you the reason.

                  The front of your home becomes (in your mind) part of your space.

            • jackspratt on 05/11/2024 - 17:59
              -2

              @p1 ama:

              …… just trying to understand the logic behind it.

              Don't bother - there isn't anything logical or rational behind it.

        • quick-dry on 06/11/2024 - 16:52

          what do you think about people using airliner overhead bins not near their seat when it is not out of necessity? e.g. the guy who dumps his carry-on in the bin up the front of the plane, then walks down the back.

          there is no law against it - except in etiquette - you're inconveniencing others for no pressing reason.

          If the street is busy, then the etiquette would be to park wherever, its a matter of necessity; but on an empty street, you each park in front of your own.

          there isn't a law against setting up a family bbq every day on what is technically public/council land on the front of someones yard - but it's damn weird to do it.

      • Andrew0415 on 05/11/2024 - 09:00

        It's not discourteous to use public property. It's discourteous to believe you are more entitled to use public property because of its proximity to your private property.

        • fantombloo on 05/11/2024 - 09:30
          -2

          It's probably discourteous to view courtesy as a something based on simple rules / laws rather than a consideration of real outcomes in real situations.

          • CrowReally on 05/11/2024 - 09:43
            +2

            @fantombloo:

            It's probably discourteous to view courtesy as a something based on simple rules / laws

            So having a different definition of courtesy is now discourteous as well, huh

            • fantombloo on 05/11/2024 - 10:24
              -2

              @CrowReally: Laws are based on threat of (state) violence, not courtesy.

              Laws tell you what you can and can't get away with without being punished, courtesy has nothing to do with that.

              • CrowReally on 05/11/2024 - 10:36

                @fantombloo: How about you address the thing that I actually said?

                You said something was discourteous, I've quoted it above, and asked you why it's discourteous.

                Now, again: How is having a different/disputed definition of courtesy a "discourteous" thing?

                • fantombloo on 05/11/2024 - 11:07
                  -1

                  @CrowReally:

                  How about you address the thing that I actually said?

                  I thought I somewhat did. Goodbye, my courtesy ends here.

                  • CrowReally on 05/11/2024 - 11:17

                    @fantombloo:

                    I am unable to use the word discourteous correctly or explain what I think it means, but you should all pay attention to what I think courteous means

                    What a pity the discussion had to end here :(

                    • stedmaster on 06/11/2024 - 22:01

                      @CrowReally: Treating people based solely on rules or what is legally permissible can be discourteous, it lacks thoughtfulness and consideration. It would be impersonal to regard others' varying needs only through the lens of legal obligation. This is the point @fantombloo is making.

                      • CrowReally on 06/11/2024 - 22:57

                        @stedmaster: Thanks for adding to the word salad of weasel words.

                        famtombloo had a bad take on what courtesy and discourtesy was, and doubled down on an even worse answer when challenged on it by Andrew0405.

                        Rather than having the conviction to make choices and own their own words they resort to the each way bet of confidentially telling us what is probably discourtesy.

                        Then I challenged them on that, and we got another non-answer, and when that gets brought up it's not "yeah I answered it mate" but the emergency escape hatch of "I thought I somewhat answered it". (Two each way bets in a single sentence, must be a new record)

                        And now you're in here helping clarify things by starting a discussion about what can be discourteous, and that somehow means a point is being made.

                        These could have probably, somewhat, possibly been good points to make. But they weren't.

                        • stedmaster on 07/11/2024 - 18:18

                          @CrowReally: It's no stretch of the imagination to think or know when doing something despite it being perfectly legal is discourteous.

  • randomusername2017 on 04/11/2024 - 18:44
    +21

    Yes… If the neighbours fifo husband asks…

    and it wasn't me on the footage…

  • Trance N Dance on 04/11/2024 - 18:47
    +2

    Think of it this way.
    If it were you in a position where camera footage would be helpful; would you want someone who could help to review/provide the footage?

    • Ozbar Gain on 04/11/2024 - 18:50
      +7

      Depends if their field of view (FOV) is sufficient IMHO

      • Davo1111 on 05/11/2024 - 08:27
        +2

        Well played

  • Ozbar Gain on 04/11/2024 - 18:49
    +7

    IDK and IDC. Probably decide on a case by case basis IMHO.

  • pegaxs on 04/11/2024 - 18:56
    +8

    If someone came up and was polite and said that their car was damaged while parked, I would say I will review the footage when I get a chance and let them know.

    And I’m a bit confused… are you talking about checking where people park on a “public” street? Please tell me you’re one of those people that think they own from the gutter to the middle of the street and that the parking in front of your house is for you and you alone? And you are “reviewing” footage of these drivers? For what?

    God I hope I’m reading this post all wrong…

    • randomusername2017 on 04/11/2024 - 19:14

      those chosen spots

      Gold embossed curves get all the carz

    • mrhugo on 04/11/2024 - 19:47

      Park whever you want, it's free game, not even the council strip is mine, but my driveway is mine ;-)

      Every time I've reviewed footage for people (and I offered in all cases) it had to do with issues that had zero to do with property damage and in the case with the LDP (which for others is my Local Police Dept) had to do with a guy walking the streets (case info was not disclosed), that was via a door knock.

      Issues were mostly around people dumping crap, bin diving, checking if cars were unlocked etc,

      My question is about if asked to review footage. My cameras while primarily facing my entry/property, also cover also cover approx. 3 car spots, which are pretty popular with the same vehicles. These cars relocated a couple of months after the cameras went up, this was over 1 year ago, one of the dude lives in the street down from me, so not even the same street. lol! Make of this what you will, coincidence or choosing the best spot.

      • BigBirdy on 05/11/2024 - 09:31
        +2

        Maybe they choose to park there specifically because it has (your) CCTV coverage, deeming it safer than at or outside their own home.

        If someone asks for footage, advise them to speak to police, and that you’ll provide footage to police if asked

        • mrhugo on 05/11/2024 - 16:27

          That's a pretty good idea, get the them to log a police report and I can provide the info to them. I don't want to be asking "what happened/what are we looking for/time range", especially if its a domestic issue (the white car visiting at the dead of night/staying an hour or two), which blows up and turns into a s**t fight.

          BTW, good luck getting any usage footage out of these cameras anyway. The angle of the camera can't pull a license plate, or a face, and the sensor/lens combo isn't bright enough to pull any kind of detail in the night at any usable frame rate.

          I may look into this a bit more, if I have the right to refuse/withhold footage, pending something offical. Not that I want to be a d*ck about it, but in cases where I sense that whats being asked of me isn't a simple matter of someone bumping into their car.

  • The General on 04/11/2024 - 19:23
    +4

    I have a CCTV system set up at home including one pointing out to the front of house. It has been known that when people that live nearby go on holidays, they park their cars out the front of my house for peace of mind. Even though they have empty spots out the front of their own house. They don't ask to do this.

    I find this quite annoying as it now means I cannot park out the front of my own house.

    If they came to me and wanted to review the footage, it would be hard to say no. But I would hope that my assistance is appreciated.

    • SlickMick on 05/11/2024 - 14:54
      +1

      I would normally say yes, but in this situation where they've taken the spot you usually use, for longterm, so you can't benefit from the CCTV, I'd probably reply that you can't as it may incriminate you.

    • Alexxx on 06/11/2024 - 14:56
      +1

      If you know for sure then maybe put a notice on their car saying 'FYI my cameras don't work' then see if they still park there.

  • Shitforbrains on 04/11/2024 - 22:59
    +5

    I have provided CCTV footage when requested by the police or by the victims of crime.

    Regarding the parking issue, people are welcome to park in front of my house as long as they do not block the driveway.

  • bamzero on 05/11/2024 - 11:32
    +1

    Depends on the situation/who' asking..

    If it's the guy across the street who parks opposite my driveway on our not very wide street while his driveway is empty, then my CCTV would definitely not be working that day.

  • rickdwp on 06/11/2024 - 15:04

    It depends. For a parking dispute, no I have better things to do. Hit and run, fuel theft of course

  • hephaestus on 06/11/2024 - 20:02

    Been here 6 years and have been asked to provide footage 3 times — twice by neighbours (different neighbours each time) and once by police. Happily obliged every time. What's the point of having security cameras if you don't use it for its intended purpose?

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