Good morning everyone,
Thought this would be a fun one or those of you who are vegetarian, vegan or plant based.
There's a VegoFest on today from 10am-3pm.
The turnout was huge last year.
34 Homestead Road, Berwick 3806
Happy eating!
Vegofest - Old Cheese Factory Berwick
jnathanc on 03/11/2024 - 11:35
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Didn't know about this, thanks for posting!
I realise this is a downer comment, but I hope one day vegetarians who do it for ethical reasons realise the immense suffering involved in the dairy and egg industries.
But free range chickens have an eggscellent time
It's letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.
It's hardly good. Apart from chicken flesh no other food causes more individual deaths of warm blooded animals per calorie than chickens' eggs. And the lifelong suffering in the continuous exploitation of the female sexual system and denial of maternal instinct in dairy is on another level of horror. If intelligent aliens ever come and see what we do to mother cows and their children they will think we are the most depraved beings.
So, are you up and saying vegetarians (who don't eat meat, but do eat eggs) cause more animal suffering and cruelty than omnivores (that eat both meat and eggs)?
Is there a good reason you're not bringing up the other ethical reasons vegetarians subscribe to [e.g. pasture/land use] etc ? Don't you need to consider those as well?
Like I said, textbook definition of making the perfect the enemy of the good.
@Crow K: It's just an alternative form of exploitation. Some people don't eat whales because they think it's cruel, some don't eat dogs, some don't eat veal, some don't eat red meat, whatever - it's all arbitrary and does not challenge the position of seeing other species as mere resources.
Is there a good reason you're not bringing up the other ethical reasons vegetarians subscribe to [e.g. pasture/land use]
No, but yes. Many forms of intensive agriculture are objectively better for the natural environment than "free range" or "natural" at great increase to the suffering of the animals. Beef and dairy are good examples. Protection of the natural environment may be related but is a separate issue which is, again, best addressed with a fully plant based diet in most western countries.
Protection of the natural environment may be a related but separate issue which is, again, best addressed with a fully plant based diet in most western countries
So ominivore meat eaters are the worst in that metric, vegetarians are doing better, and the fully plant based ones are doing the best?
"yeah but plant eaters do it best" is.. wait for it … making the perfect the enemy of the good.
@Crow K: Someone eating just chicken flesh may well be doing less harm to the natural environment than a cows' milk guzzler.
You keep saying "enemy of the good." There's nothing good about vegetarianism from an ethical perspective.
There's nothing good about vegetarianism from an ethical perspective.
Well, I'm glad you've definitively settled it for us.
Very efficient and compelling.
@fantombloo: I will, but only if you google "is there one single black and white answer on a question of personal ethics or morality, specifically with vegetarianism?"
The answer may shock you!
@Crow K: I don't exploit animals except cows and chickens.
I'm not racist except for <specific race>.
I'm not for beating children except for <specific reason>.
Make your own decisions and own them, don't try and justify them in the face of better standards.
@fantombloo: I literally chimed in to say the comparison falls into the "making the perfect the enemy of the good" trap.
If you're going to go on record and say stupid things like "here's the answer and it's vegetarianism is never ethical" or whatever, that's on you.
I don't think we've established my stance on anything [food preferences and those other issues you invented] but you had a go putting some words in my mouth in some clumsy strawman manoever, so I guess you're acting in bad faith. Nice try, get lost?
vegetarianism is never ethical
True, it's not. From an ethical standpoint it's actually highly illogical. For other reasons - cultural, dietary, religious, whatever - it is what it is.
@fantombloo: I guess we can mark the issue down as settled then.
Who am I to argue with the Main Character, after all.
Nice!
Darn I live in NSW, would have loved to check it out. The relay for life is on up here today for cancer and everyone is eating pizza's, ice creams, processed meats and no mention anywhere of The China Study, it's a big joke.