Rinnai Dynamo 15 Natural Gas Convector Heater DY15SN is available for $599.97/-
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Rinnai Dynamo 15 Natural Gas Convector Heater DY15SN $599.97 Delivered @ Costco (Membership Required)
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I would heavily recommend people don't actively install gas appliances these days. Fair enough if you're still using one, but don't sign yourself up for expensive future bills.
RCAC splits are far far cheaper to run even paying for electricity, with solar even cheaper. Gas is only 80-90% efficient whereas split system A/C can be 400-500% efficient - look up Coefficient of Performance figures. I opted for ducted RCAC which isn't quite as efficient - 300% ish, but prefer the aesthetics of it and happy to wear a slight increase as have solar to offset. RCAC ducted has been so much more pleasant compared to the old gas ducted which was very 'blowy'. RCAC heats almost as fast and hasn't made my bills surge at all. No more gas bills like last winter - the gas ducted absolutely chewed through gas.
I've just got the stove to go then will get my gas cut off - no more daily fees then either.
Absolutely correct.
Your daily natural gas supply charge is only going to escalate from here as those that can drop off.
I've just requested by gas supply be removed.
Weening off hot water is straight forward, but did you have to replace cooktop?
Even if I wasn't disconnecting gas, I'd still be changing to induction because it works so much better than gas IMO - extremely low simmer/keep warm, can boil water faster than gas.
I love how easy to clean they are too.
@placard: No doubt induction is better in so many ways. But I can't lose the gas stove, I just love the aesthetics. It's my own hang-up, a bit like the vinyl over digital thing.
@placard: I'm aware of the benefits but curious about how replacing an existing cooktop would work in a bench.
Do we need to get one that's larger than the current one so it's easier to cut out more stone?
Is it just the one person doing it or do we need to contact multiple trades? Stuff like that.
@twig: Find one that has the same cutout requirement as the existing gas stove, then no cutting of stone required.
It will require a plumber to disconnect and cap the gas, then an electrician to run a new circuit and install the new stove.
If you've already disconnected the gas at the meter though, then you are free to remove the stove yourself as it's an empty copper pipe with no gas inside, but you'll still need an electrician to install the new one.
I’m in a strata apartment with gas hot water. Wish I could change to electricity, but doesn’t seem possible?
@SirFrankGrimes: I'm in a strata apartment too. We've just had gas disconnected (& a heat pump HWS installed). Issue may be about where you'd place the heart pump and/or whether your strata arrangement effectively prohibits you opting out. Is your hot water your own individual service? Or is it a whole-of-building arrangement (ie. central supply)?
@lostincanberra: Our hot water is metered, but I believe it comes from a centralised hot water heat pump.
I use both an induction cooktop and a gas cooktop and i hate the induction. Ill keep my gas cook top as long as i can.
@unifex: What cookware do you use? The big difference I found is gas heats up the general area weakly, while indication heats up where the coils are quite quickly.
So my cheap induction unit is terrible for my wok and large fry pans. While indication units are very much better for my saucepans with thick bases. I have no patience waiting for water to heat up over domestic gas stoves.
I plan to get a great indication unit which will heat the whole base of my pans and seriously look into induction wok units.
Gas is a great option for an efficient heating solution. What are you on about? Anti-gas movement is because we make more money selling it overseas and I’d only assume it would sustain (or reduce) electricity producers rates at the many Gas turbine facilities. We prefer to heat our entire house at any time rather than limited to 1/2-2/3 because of capacity constraints. Our gas ducted died a couple months ago and we had to rely on splits and it was awful in comparison. It was expensive, unpleasant and got cold much quicker.
Don’t believe everything you read and base your choices on the flavour of the week. August last year the government was still offering rebates for customers to go off electric appliances onto gas. ~15years ago they started the black balloons campaign. A few years later, the government starts offering low energy bulbs to reduce electricity consumption and now they are saying use as much as possible even though our grid cannot handle it.
I’m dreading peak summer lol. No doubt the government is gonna turn down my new split. I don’t think my 3yo split has the chip in it.
Also, don’t get an unvented gas appliance unless you have a really old home that has leaks in every corner. I don’t understand why this is legal interstate.
I explained above why gas is much less efficient than RCAC. Heat is lost up the flue. RCAC produces 3-5x units of heat compared to unit of electricity consumed.
We hear the likes of Sky News bleating about grid meltdown every time there's a remotely warm day. They have an agenda to run.
If your splits didn't work well, perhaps there's a different issue at play - cleaned the filters? Moved the vent to point to the floor? I can't possibly see how it would be more expensive than gas unless your splits are 20 years old non-inverter types.
My new RCAC ducted heats far far better than the gas ducted it replaced. The gas ducted was cold because it would blow hard when it was on, then cut out and turn off completely. The RCAC can just ramp down providing constant gentle airflow. So much more pleasant. My power bills the last 2 months have not sky rocketed at all but my gas bill went down by $400.
No arguments about the efficiency of AC, but you seem to have neglected to mention your ducted AC cost you $15-20K to install….
Thats about 20 years worth of gas bills before you make that investment back, not to mention the significant electricity a ducted system uses - and good luck if your ducted system is still actually working in 20 years time😅@pauliau: The cost was a bit less than that due to rebates in Vic, but I wanted to get rid of evaporative cooling as well as I personally am not a fan. So removed that and gas ducted and replaced with a nicer solution. Yes, ducted uses more than splits, but in my experience modern systems are fairly efficient. I've got solar, so the running costs aren't a huge concern.
Last few weeks I've been running it to about 24 heating in the afternoon, completely covered by solar, it pulls around 1500-1800 watts only when ramped down maintaining temp. Once the sun goes down and no more solar, I can turn the system off and my house retains the heat the rest of the evening unless it's extremely cold. But even then, it's only needing to maintain a sensible temp of around 20, rather than increase temperature using grid power.
@placard: Can I ask when you disconnected your evaporative cooling did you keep the vents and just add a split system to it? Cheers
@Seancallum2022: No, the RCAC ducted uses the same vent locations as the gas ducted, however they cut the ceiling hole slightly larger and use a larger vent. RCAC ducted uses slightly bigger ducting than gas ducted.
Evaporative cooling vents are located at a different spot in the room (away from windows to push air out the windows, vs ducted which has vents at edge of room to draw air back to air return).
The installers removed the unit from roof and most of the ducting. They tied off the ducts in the roof just above each ceiling vent. It's up to me now to arrange replaster of ceiling of each vent which I'll do at a later time.
We're on the same path. A bit of a learning curve working out how to manage our splits for most effective (heating at the moment) use - but our bills have dropped a lot. AND no more daily gas supply charge.
As a bonus, we now have more cooling for the worst summer days - not our test case for changing but a nice benefit.
Yes, changeover costs are a significant impediment. I suspect that it'll take 4-5 years to cover the capital expense. No small thing - but we haven't included our maintenance and potential replacement costs on the legacy devices over that period either.
If you want whole house heating why did you get seperate splits instead of a crentralised system? If you already had the ductwork it's almost always possible to connect up a new centralised system. Of course you're going to overwork your split systems if you're trying to heat a whole house and the rooms they don't actually service, it's an apples and oranges comparison.
In a comparison where the heaters are places in the same location or have the same duct access, reverse cycle will always be cheaper than gas in australia. Unless you buy a reallly crap unit. Gas is somewhat price competitive for hot water but rarely the smart choice for heating.
We don’t have a whole home solution. The intent was to always replace our broken ducted with a new gas ducted. It’s also not “always always” possible to hook up your existing vents to new DRC. Thats a terribly uneducated take. You are taking my comment out of context. I said my ducted gas died and while finding a replacement we relied on our split systems and the environments were less than favourable.
Split AC simply cannot heat the same area as a gas ducted usually capped at ~15-17kw so you would almost always have to zone. We are all for whole home comfort with little kids running between rooms.we have a 6 star gas ducted system + Fujitsu Lifestyle series air conditioning
Gas is a great option for an efficient heating solution.
Gas is a bad option for an efficient heating solution, and the post explains why in detail.
20 years ago when gas was cheap, it was great. Those days are long gone.
What are you on about?
The fact that gas heating is objectively worse than a modern electric system.
Anti-gas movement
I'm not sure what that is.
We're discussing the price of gas for heating - there's no "movement", it's just a basic maths solution.
You don’t know what the anti-gas movement is? Either you are living under the biggest rock or terribly ignorant lol.
Prices are government driven and heating between gas, wood & electric feel completely different from one another. Yes, I have all three solutions so I speak from experience.
Tbh, I don’t have preference on the whole, as any heating is better than none but I certainly don’t believe Gas heating should be pushed aside. I reckon about 60% of people think they should make the switch but realise that it’s a 13-20k investment. The percentage who can afford to then have to accept zoning because they are limited by capacity, few who don’t adjust their expectations would complain because it’s not heating on frosty mornings.
You haven’t made any input into why gas is a bad solution. Pound for pound electric is great but not all homes are under ~14sq.
if the option is there, gas ducted has a longer sustained heat and feels nicer. Like eyes closed, I reckon you’d be able to tell the difference. If you are considering an electric option, an electric panel heater would be cheaper to run and keeps the room comfortable.
I wish Australia sold storage heaters. I would then be able to harness solar in the day and heat by night.
Way cheaper than a batteryYou can already do this with a hydronic heating system.
But the reason nobody does, is that it's only 100% efficient - unless you can find a heat-pump hydronic system, but I've never seen one 🤔
Storage heaters work in the UK because their houses have good insulation and no leaks. An average Australian home doesn't have anywhere near the necessary heat proofing - your stored heat would all be gone by the time you reached the evening…
I got a Google ad for this! Apparently they do exist https://www.wiseliving.com.au/hydronic-heat-pumps
This is an absolute bargain if you are in the market for one. Next best price is around $1100.
Avoid if anyone in the family has asthma - https://www.smh.com.au/property/living/how-david-s-home-reno…
Generally Not wise to install gas appliances these days.
Go electric.
Health issue aside, the energy company that produces gas are just too greedy. Their excuse is why do they have to sell them cheaper here when they can get more with export. Imagine if UAE have the same principle with oil.
If only, sadly they export it for much cheaper and to compensate we get charged more locally haha.
I have this and it is an excellent heater at probably the best price I've seen it sell for. Especially if you already have gas installed.
Agreed. You could easily pay the same price for a good condition refurbed second hand one.
Came across a few of these on a recent road trip.
Absolutely pumps out the heat, but was tough to control - wayy too hot or cold, nothing between.
Great for heating a cold room quick though.My pick these days is an electric panel heater. Takes longer to warm up but temp is spot on, silent, safe and no forced air.
Is this deal still on? Worth to quickly join membership to get one
Good product, but ensure you have proper ventilation in the room it's used in..
https://www.rinnai.com.au/online/heating/portable-gas-heater…