R U OK OzBargainers? Call a Friend/Family Today (2024)

R U OK?

R U OK? Day is an annual day in September (today, 12/9) dedicated to remind people to ask family, friends and colleagues the question, "R U OK?", in a meaningful way, because connecting regularly and meaningfully is one thing everyone can do to make a difference and even save lives.

We do this every year and are focussing our regular charity donations to mental health charities. Every day can be a struggle for many of us and it doesn't seem to get any easier.


But

This year let's do it a bit different as there always is a lot of scepticism with R U OK? and the workplace. Love U Bro is a NZ charity doing a similar thing to R U OK Day but I think in an easier to action way. See the viral video on Reddit and other vids on their Facebook

Call to Action

loveubro

  • Call up a friend/family or whoever.
  • Tell them "love you" or "love you bro" or "love you sis" or something similar.

If you do and feel comfortable, let us know in the comments who you called and how it went.


And to go further from above follow R U OK's tips.

ASK R U OK?
  • Be relaxed, friendly and concerned in your approach.
  • Help them open up by asking questions like "How are you going?" or "What’s been happening?"
  • Mention specific things that have made you concerned for them, like "You seem less chatty than usual. How are you going?"

IF

  • If they don’t want to talk, don’t criticise them.
  • Tell them you’re still concerned about changes in their behaviour and you care about them.
  • Avoid a confrontation.
  • You could say: “Please call me if you ever want to chat” or “Is there someone else you’d rather talk to?”
LISTEN WITH AN OPEN MIND
  • Take what they say seriously and don't interrupt or rush the conversation.
  • Don’t judge their experiences or reactions but acknowledge that things seem tough for them.
  • If they need time to think, sit patiently with the silence.
  • Encourage them to explain: "How are you feeling about that?" or "How long have you felt that way?"
  • Show that you've listened by repeating back what you’ve heard (in your own words) and ask if you have understood them properly.
ENCOURAGE ACTION
  • Ask: “What have you done in the past to manage similar situations?”
  • Ask: “How would you like me to support you?"
  • Ask: “What’s something you can do for yourself right now? Something that’s enjoyable or relaxing?”
  • You could say: "When I was going through a difficult time, I tried this… You might find it useful too."
  • If they've been feeling really down for more than 2 weeks, encourage them to see a health professional. You could say, "It might be useful to link in with someone who can support you. I'm happy to assist you to find the right person to talk to.”
  • Be positive about the role of professionals in getting through tough times.
IF THEY NEED EXPERT HELP
  • Some conversations are too big for family and friends to take on alone. If someone’s been really low for more than 2 weeks - or is at risk - please contact a professional as soon as you can.
CHECK IN
  • Pop a reminder in your diary to call them in a couple of weeks. If they're really struggling, follow up with them sooner.
  • You could say: "I've been thinking of you and wanted to know how you've been going since we last chatted."
  • Ask if they've found a better way to manage the situation. If they haven't done anything, don't judge them. They might just need someone to listen to them for the moment.
  • Stay in touch and be there for them. Genuine care and concern can make a real difference.

The comments and PMs we receive every year are part of why we are proud to support R U OK? Day by changing our colours and promoting their cause.

This one stuck out from last year:

RUOK? Day 2023, being on September 14th, is particularly significant for me.

It would have been my 21st Wedding Anniversary with my first husband. Instead, we lost him to suicide, shortly before our second wedding anniversary, when our son was only 10 months old.

I’m sharing in case anyone here needs to hear this.

You are important, you are needed, you will be missed, your story is not over.

If you are struggling, or need help, please speak up - I can promise you that your loved ones will be glad you did.

Take care out there, you lot x

Over the years of running this initiative on OzBargain (and offline) we've also received some comments making jokes about RUOK? Day. That's fine and jokes are a great way to break the ice. While those people may be OK, many times they are not both in real life and on OzBargain. Keep asking, be meaningful in the way you have your conversation and don't ask just today but any day.

We have forums where you can discuss relationships or anything else off-topic. Also, if you see any comments where you think the person may be struggling, please report to us and we'll get in touch.

You can also feel free to chat with us in the private Talk with a Moderator forum if you have any OzBargain related issues. Or send me a PM about whatever you want (except moderation issues). Please see our Mental Health Page if you need to speak to someone including live chat.

For confidential advice and support call a crisis support line – such as Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Suicide Call Back Service on 1300 659 467.

Additionally:

  • Black Dog Institute
  • Hot Tip: Medicare provides free (or subsidised) sessions with a psychologist after a referral from a GP. It's free/cheap so you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
  • Most mental health issues are very much treatable with professional help. Trouble is that most of us are too scared, embarrassed, or lack self awareness to seek professional help. If you have a broken foot, most people will have no hesitation in seeking a doctor because we know it can be fixed but for mental health issues (which can be just as well treated) we quietly carry on even though the pain and harm may be 1000 times worse. (credit: Bluberry)

Comments

  • +73

    Compared to 2022 I'm heaps better now. Defied all the statistics and life has never been so good.

    • +11

      I hope you have a nice day today. Thankyou for all your AliExpress deal posts :)

    • +7

      I didn't know about your health struggles, but I'm glad you're doing better and I appreciate all the contributions you make to this community. Keep on fighting and take care 👍🏻

    • +2

      Mate, didn't know what you were going through 2 years ago until I click your link. I am glad you're doing great, thank you for all the contribution you have made here in ozbargain.

  • +4

    I'm not ok, since I'm not Xiaomi's CEO.

    • Triple foldy?

    • Football or Ton Ton dance?

  • +9

    I found mental health especially for men from my experience has largely been affected by other judging men, finding most of comments whether it be on instagram or reddit or here, are majority made by men(including myself, cause I know I probably written some). And damn, I think we guys are the issue itself.
    And it’s gotten worse(extremist has only increased since covid = more on social media), this page is useless if men can’t stop having an opinion for every little issue that has no impact on themselves. This is a useless rant sorry. Since I don’t have a solution

    • +5

      Yes online forums, including this one, can provide both relief and distress.

    • +4

      Yep I've noticed it. A lot of men who haven't had a history of mental issues have called others snowflakes simply because they don't understand it. That is not the majority though, but the negative ones usually are heard the most.

    • Not useless at all, it's good to notice these things and discuss.

      R U OK is great but also let's not make things worse for people by pulling each other down with negative comments/attitudes.

    • -2

      Sounds a bit sexist champ

  • +1

    Ps5 pro going to cost $1400 aud with disc drive?

    No I'm not ok :(

  • +2

    I'm glad I'm not vulnerable because if I was this board with certain users that attempt to bully relentlessly using anonymous downvotes and personal attacks that go unchecked by moderators would be a terrible place for me. At one point the moderators here would actually gaslight those being bullied by suggesting it was their mental health that is the issue. Thankfully I haven't seen that for a few years. I moderate elsewhere and participate in many communities that are much better at dealing with bullying and do not allow anonymous feedack, so and I find the association Ozbargain has with RUOK day distasteful.

    • +3

      I moderate elsewhere and participate in many communities that are much better at dealing with bullying and do not allow anonymous feedack

      May I ask what type of forums you moderate? any IT/Coding/Programming/Hardware/Tech/Gaming/Etc sites?

      I find the association Ozbargain has with RUOK day distasteful.

      I can agree with that. Really a place for sharing bargains, that is it's limits.

    • +3

      I've experienced that too here. Constant personal attacks from a specific user and on the occasion(s) where I did retaliate I was the one who was put in the penalty box and when I contacted TWAM with a lot of evidence to links of their comments I was simply brushed off. Somehow following someone around, making the same snarky comments over and over trying to get under their skin wasn't bullying or harassment despite it going on for years. I don't think that behaviour would be accepted on other forums.

      SlavOz comes to mind. I never saw eye to eye with them when they were around and they posted a lot of controversial threads which I think was the reason they were banned but somehow if you follow a user around, constantly harass and bully them and make things up about them despite living in a completely different state and never having met them before (so you really don't know anything about them at all) that doesn't warrant a ban even though cyberbullying is considered as a serious issue in this country.

      A lot of the negative reviews of OzBargain on ProductReview are specifically about the moderation of the website too. If multiple people at my workplace called me out on doing bad work then I would accept the problem would likely lie with me, not with them.

      • +1

        @spackbace and I used to have a good time finding upset reps making bad reviews on Productreview. This rep got really mad that his bad deal wasn't perceived well. His business doesn't even exist now.

        • I’m sure some of the reviews are from upset reps. Are all of them?

          • +1

            @Ghost47: A good majority are. Then a few upset ones and even one targeted at me. The targeted one being someone who was upset here that I couldn't provide them warranty for something I shared. Like c'mon I'm not a rep.

            • @Clear: Ok so if the majority reviews on ProductReview can't be trusted how about users in the forums?

      • A lot of the negative reviews of OzBargain on ProductReview

        Lol in the spirit of the day I won't say what I think about you referencing the reviews on that site, but let's just say that they should be taken with a very small grain of salt.

        • +2

          Lol in the spirit of the day I won't say what I think about you referencing the reviews on that site

          Right, so if today wasn't R U OK day you would insult me?

    • I didn’t know my negative vote was anonymous?

  • +2

    There hasn't been any 100% Pizza Hut Cashback deals in a while, so I'd have to say that I'm not OK

  • +2

    @jv R U OK?

    • +1

      No

      • +1

        I believe you missed the "I'm seeing yellow !!!" part.

        • you missed the "I'm seeing yellow !!!" part.

          I'm wearing Blue light glasses. All I see is green

      • +1

        Life in Moe pretty grim right now?

      • +1

        You forgot to use bold

        • -2

          No I didn't

  • +7

    Last week, on the first anniversary of my mother's passing, my partner of 5 years ended our future together.

    So ..still Not Ok this week.

    My world has dramatically shrunk to miniscule potential.

    • +2

      it only gets easier from here, keep taking it one day at a time. i know it feels like the world is ending but trust me it won't if you keep putting one foot forward

    • +1

      Don’t be afraid to reach out for help - even here, even me. Also been in similar situation with a marriage failure.

      Life happens, if you keep just going you’ll eventually make a new life.

    • And today my cat is quite probably approaching her final days.

      I was there for her birth and she's always been there through these past 20 years and 5 months. She's outlived all her amazing and adored-by-all kittens.

  • I hope you all are doing ok, I notice some deals which belong in the forums lately which makes me wonder if they are ok?

  • +6

    Nope. Lost a friend to cancer 3 months ago. Got a phone call last week where another friend mentioned she’s got spots on her liver and lesions on her brain. Feel like I am living in a daze.

  • +4

    Today is are you okay day.
    I am okay.
    At work we have a r u okay lunch, Im bringing dessert.
    It’s cake, carrot cake.

  • They run one in Belarus. People go around asking RU OK?

    Olga Korbut replied: Hello; Is it me you're looking for?

  • Hey all,
    I am not JV, and today OzB is doing R U OK day.

  • Love it, thank you for raising awareness about this day….

  • +7

    What's actually the point of this day? Sounds cool, makes the company look like they care, but what else?

    I mean - even a psychiatric hospital participated. Yes, we're psychiatric patients but we're definitely 'OK'. Thanks for asking? What next?

    Thanks though, the yellow branding made my future much brighter.

    • +6

      It's about starting a meaningful conversation. The easiest thing is what I said above:

      Call up a friend/family or whoever.
      Tell them "love you" or "love you bro" or "love you sis" or something similar.

      That's pretty much the short version of R U OK. Remember you're not trying to solve their problems but purely be there to listen/have a chat.


      The longer version from R U OK?:

      ASK R U OK?
      • Be relaxed, friendly and concerned in your approach.
      • Help them open up by asking questions like "How are you going?" or "What’s been happening?"
      • Mention specific things that have made you concerned for them, like "You seem less chatty than usual. How are you going?"

      IF

      • If they don’t want to talk, don’t criticise them.
      • Tell them you’re still concerned about changes in their behaviour and you care about them.
      • Avoid a confrontation.
      • You could say: “Please call me if you ever want to chat” or “Is there someone else you’d rather talk to?”
      LISTEN WITH AN OPEN MIND
      • Take what they say seriously and don't interrupt or rush the conversation.
      • Don’t judge their experiences or reactions but acknowledge that things seem tough for them.
      • If they need time to think, sit patiently with the silence.
      • Encourage them to explain: "How are you feeling about that?" or "How long have you felt that way?"
      • Show that you've listened by repeating back what you’ve heard (in your own words) and ask if you have understood them properly.
      ENCOURAGE ACTION
      • Ask: “What have you done in the past to manage similar situations?”
      • Ask: “How would you like me to support you?"
      • Ask: “What’s something you can do for yourself right now? Something that’s enjoyable or relaxing?”
      • You could say: "When I was going through a difficult time, I tried this… You might find it useful too."
      • If they've been feeling really down for more than 2 weeks, encourage them to see a health professional. You could say, "It might be useful to link in with someone who can support you. I'm happy to assist you to find the right person to talk to.”
      • Be positive about the role of professionals in getting through tough times.
      IF THEY NEED EXPERT HELP
      • Some conversations are too big for family and friends to take on alone. If someone’s been really low for more than 2 weeks - or is at risk - please contact a professional as soon as you can.
      CHECK IN
      • Pop a reminder in your diary to call them in a couple of weeks. If they're really struggling, follow up with them sooner.
      • You could say: "I've been thinking of you and wanted to know how you've been going since we last chatted."
      • Ask if they've found a better way to manage the situation. If they haven't done anything, don't judge them. They might just need someone to listen to them for the moment.
      • Stay in touch and be there for them. Genuine care and concern can make a real difference.
      • +5

        Thanks for this information, next time I'm admitted I'll go around telling other patients to seek expert help if they've been feeling that way for over two weeks.

        Jokes aside, I do understand the idea behind it, but it's just another generic day companies jump behind to look like they care. My example of a psychiatric hospital getting involved really shows that point. There was even nurses going around asking patients if they're 'OK'. Yep, living the dream!

        It did become something patients laughed about together though, so touche, I guess.

        • +3

          Look at the other comments, other people are getting something out of it. And the fact that they're voicing their thoughts and feelings on a forum to strangers may be a result of noone in their life who they feel they can speak to about this.

          It's ok if this day doesn't do anything for you, but it seems to be for others. :)

          • +1

            @Wonderstache: Honestly, here (OzBargain) ironically seems to be a lot more helpful than almost any other company I've seen get involved with the day.

            This thread has brought up some valuable discussions and there's a lot of seriously valuable advice available for those who are struggling. I even found myself I was able to provide some input that hopefully someone struggling similarly to how I did will find helpful and not be failed by the mental health system.

            My point was more about every generic company and their dog jumping on the day for PR though - wasn't so much pointing the finger at OzBargain.

            • @Dyl:

              My point was more about every generic company and their dog jumping on the day for PR though - wasn't so much pointing the finger at OzBargain.

              Thanks for expanding on this. I agree with you, there's been some great discussions in this thread too and I hope you're getting the help you need. :)

              • @Wonderstache: To quote South Park, (adjusted for my circumstances), I just need to navigate the Australian disability supports system.

  • +14

    Not this crap again. If you see someone who injured or in pain on the road and you ask them R U OK and they say "no, I fell and hurt my leg". what would do next? Just sit and chat with them?

    Mental health plan sessions are NOT free or cheap. They cover only cover ~$95 for each session and you will have to pay for the rest. There are very few clinics now that would not ask you pay for this gap and the wait times are in months or they no longer take new patience. You do not want to know what a qualified psychiatrist would cost, you will be shocked.

    R U Ok is just for privilege and corporations to give them an effortless way out from making any real change.
    I worked for many companies and have talked to many people regarding my health but received no help.

    Be cautious when sharing your mental health struggles at work or when someone asks if you're okay. You never know their true intentions, and you could end up facing discrimination or being overlooked, making your situation even more difficult.

    • +4

      Many truths in what you commented

    • +1

      Not this crap again. If you see someone who injured or in pain on the road and you ask them R U OK and they say "no, I fell and hurt my leg". what would do next? Just sit and chat with them?

      That's a fair comment. I guess my thought would be a similar example. If someone is having a heart attack at the side of the road do you say R U OK? Well, no, you would get them emergency medical assistance. However, if you'd rewind the clock a few months before, you could call the person, get together with them , have a conversation about their unhealthy lifestyle to maybe see if they want to play some tennis together, or maybe they are eating poorly for some reason. Perhaps or perhaps not, just simply asking how that person is doing may reverse course of what is happening down the road.

      Mental health plan sessions are NOT free or cheap. They cover only cover ~$95 for each session and you will have to pay for the rest. There are very few clinics now that would not ask you pay for this gap and the wait times are in months or they no longer take new patience. You do not want to know what a qualified psychiatrist would cost, you will be shocked.

      That's not great. Is this similar to the Medicare gaps for seeing doctors? I guess a subsidy is better than nothing. My understand, at least in Victoria, is that there is a long wait to actually see a psychiatrist which yet another issue.

      • +2

        Mental health plans let you claim up to 10 subsidised sessions each calendar year and there's a whole cluster of item numbers professionals can use. So some providers end up being cheap or close to the gap while others can charge an enormous amount.

        10 years ago it was quite easy to find a bulk billing psychologist. Now it's impossible.

      • +1

        If someone is having a heart attack at the side of the road do you say R U OK? Well, no, you would get them emergency medical assistance.

        https://www.heartresearch.com.au/surviving-a-heart-attack/

        Heart disease is Australia’s number one killer, but unfortunately, there is little awareness about the signs of a heart attack and what is critical to do in the moment.

        In your example many would still fail to even guess it is a heart attack. Please don't comment BS without researching.

        This exactly why R U OK is complete BS, too many people think that know about mental health. The person who is suffering even does not know much about it. Only a professional can help. Fund doctors not politicians.

    • Use common sense. Someone who has been in a car accident probably has more pressing matters than their mental health. Sure, you could speculate about all the different ways something could go wrong by trying to genuinely care about someone, or you could just check in on some friends, family etc and let them know you care. I don't see this as an isolated day, more a reminder to get out of my bubble and check on those around me, whether it's today or another day.

      • +2

        You: R U ok?
        Me: No,
        You: ok.
        Me: Next question.

    • +2

      Mental health plan sessions are NOT free or cheap. They cover only cover ~$95 for each session and you will have to pay for the rest.

      Maybe that's why today helps many others, who can't afford to speak to a professional but still want to be heard or simply have a chat about their issues.

      I worked for many companies and have talked to many people regarding my health but received no help.

      That really sucks, I'm sorry to hear that. Maybe there should be greater responsibility on the company (e.g. compared to if you broke a bone and couldn't work).
      My workplace was really great at supporting me through my mental health issues and it helped others speak up about their struggles and know they weren't alone with the people they spend most of their waking life with.

      • +5

        Maybe that's why today helps many others, who can't afford to speak to a professional

        There are lot of helplines for this like beyondblue, SANE, etc where you can talk to a counsellor at any time just by calling them or on chat.

        There is difference between showing sympathy and providing care. When someone has lost a loved one you show sympathy. But when that someone loses their willingness to live because they have lost a loved one, they need care. That care would require you to give them your "Time" and "Resources". People who have mental health issues may need care not just a shoulder to cry on.

        Is everyone prepared to care for someone on R U OK Day?

        • +2

          Is everyone prepared to care for someone on R U OK Day?

          No. And it's not meant for everyone.

          More help is always better if it means it helps more people, it's good we have a range of different services to assist people in different ways for different situations too.
          This day helped me a year ago with my workplace and has helped me get where I am today, that does not mean it will work for others in the same manner.

          Hope your day is going ok :)

          • +3

            @Wonderstache:

            This day helped me a year ago with my workplace and has helped me get where I am today, that does not mean it will work for others in the same manner.

            Exactly my point. If someone/company is going to ask R U OK on any day, make sure they are ready to "care" for the person who says "no" and not walk away.

            Unfortunately, this does not happen for everyone. Someone with mental health issues who was ignored will now have more reasons to believe that it will never get better and it will make it worst for them.

            Someone posted this meme below https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/15695378/redir

            • +2

              @Iluvfreebies: Ahh I see your point. Yes I agree, it's not mandatory and we can't also force others to care and be prepared to have some of those heavy discussions or solutions.

              Someone with mental health issues who was ignored will now have more reasons to believe that it will never get better and it will make it worst for them.

              That's really sad. :( I really hope we can find better ways to handle these situations.

              • +3

                @Wonderstache: Maybe R U OK day for everyone. And properly funded mental healthcare for people who need care/treatment beyond a quick chat.

                I suppose it's a good annual day to reflect on what's going both well and poorly about mental health. And to think about what needs to change.

                • +1

                  @phrank: well said

                • +1

                  @phrank: https://www.blackdoginstitute.org.au/media-releases/federal-…

                  Federal Budget begins mental health reform, without providing adequate funds to complete it. The 2024-25 Federal Budget took important first steps towards long-term mental health reform, despite providing the smallest investment into mental health since 2018: only $361 million in new mental health funding, over four years.

                  Where is the funding? Where is the "care"? Psychologist/psychiatrists/medication costs a lot of money.

                  R U OK? started in 2009 and govt funding is going down. NGO like these don't make any real difference, they will only share positive stores not failures because their donations and govt grants are dependent on them.

                  As I mentioned in my first comment "R U Ok is just for privilege and corporations to give them an effortless way out from making any real change."

            • +1

              @Iluvfreebies: good point. it's harder for me to support someone over the internet but I try and stand by my friends, family in need. I hope people on here with troubles have someone close to them to share with

              • +2

                @DarkProject: I hope you do. Even if you stand by just one person per year, you have done great.

  • Are you OK?

  • +5

    Not OK at all. Someone said something to me and it triggered a lot of trauma and horrible memories. All week I've been crying to sleep, having horrible nightmares, waking up crying and going to work like a zombie. I usually keep these things bottled up. This is the first time in my life that I'm admitting I'm not OK.

    • +1

      Hey, sounds like you're having a tough time at the moment. Do you have some people to talk to?

      • +3

        I do, but I don't have the courage of talking about my emotions. I'm scared people wouldn't want to be friends with me anymore. Who wants an emotional male friend in his mid-thirties?

        • +3

          It does suck that a lot of guys around our age and older were conditioned to not show emotion, I still deal with it too. Your friends are your friends for a reason, though, and it's because you care about each other, whether you show it or not. The few times I've done it, opening up emotionally has only been a positive for those friendships. Hoping the same for you

        • You could try Beyond Blue. Here's a list of mental health helplines: https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/mental-health-helplines
          Like jbird said, opening up to friends has only been a positive thing for me

        • +1

          I have the same fear. I try to tell myself that i wouldn't push away one of my - few - friends, and neither would they. They're good people, after all. Same with family.

          But I'm like you … still I hesitate.

        • +2

          Yeah trauma can do that to you, it sucks. That makes sense that it's hard to talk to friends about it, it can feel very vulnerable.

          You could try not talking about your emotions, but just describing briefly what's been going on for you.

          Or sidestep friends and go straight to your GP so you won't have to deal with the social risk of disclosing more than feels comfortable to you. It sounds like you could really benefit from trauma treatment.

  • +3

    edit, I just had a read on the forums and for alot of people asking are you okay helps, I guess I retract most of what I mentioned. Also r u okay provides a way for people to inquire and respond and support. so i'm going back on my words, but I will say sometimes it happens sometimes it doesn't.

    I don't doubt the intention and good that r u okay day people are trying to have. it's excellent. The reality is, for men mental health is meet with judgment, few people I have meet that are not like that, and if you have anything more complex it's going to be ignored or you have to seek professional help.

    Better pray to the gods also that you have a solid support system or family that actually backs you when things are tough and okay.

    I may be cynical and it might just be from the community or groups I'm around. R u okay, Typically this means nothing.

    You get people saying, hey you can talk to me, but when you follow it up, they act up, or don't let you speak.

    Also the aint weak to speak stick , I believe If I spoke to the people that put the stickers up they might be a bit more open to talking but, that's about it.

    To be fair not everyone is equipped to deal with other people or facilitate helping or listening them.

    • +2

      agree with what you've said. It's great that some have tried to give give support here. This isn't a magic bullet though and nobody should expect a solution from a conversation.

  • No, can you pay for my bills, insurances, home loan, food cost and everything that ripping people off currently?
    I don't think you can…
    So, NO ONE IS OK! Maybe except those politicians and rich brats

    Stop asking if people are ok or not, just bring more bargains to make people's life easier!

  • +11

    Today - Work: r u ok?

    Me: no

    Work: oh…

    —-

    Tomorrow:

    Hey work, I’m not ok still

    Work: I dont care about that anymore

  • +4

    No, and the meds aren't helping that much, and I don't really have many friends to talk to. But we just keep it rollin cuz what other choice do I have bahahah

    • +1

      ‘It is what it is’

      • +1

        It really do be like that sometimes 💯

    • +1

      Do your friends know you are on these meds? When I first went on medication I thought I was the only one, when I told my friends it turned out 4 of them were also on similar medication and we all had some really insightful chats about how they affected us, what worked etc.

  • +5

    Thanks for pretending to give a crap one day of the year, I guess.

  • +3

    Omg… Ka-BOOM! Am I okay, f**king NO! in every sense of the word. And this RUOK day… too much pretend shit. If people were just kind, accepting and chill… and focused on their own life society would be for the better. If you don't like someone, spend as little time as possible with em, if you don't like what they're doing stop trying to control their shit. It's better to BE supportive and positive and help when you can.

  • +4

    I am getting better. I've had a few terrible years and I struggled through them pretty bad. I'm now starting to see progress and get through a lot of the invisible issues through a lot of action and also discussions with my psych, friends and family.

    Days like this really helped me last year at work and a lot of people opened up to chat with me about my issues and in return I was able to talk with them about their issues.

    Mental health is something that everyone has their own flavour of and it affects us all differently, it can be very hard for someone to know what you're going through if they've never been there so I am really appreciative when people make the effort to try and understand you, rather than them brushing it off as a choice. There are a lot of gentle and kind people out there and that's where your energy should focus on.

  • +16

    TW: Suicide

    I am not OK. And neither is the mental health care system.

    I used to be an avid supporter of these kinds of initiatives. But they're only a start to send someone into a complicated and often dead-ended system.

    My younger brother died by suicide earlier this year. We tried for more than six months to get him help through the (NSW) public system. It’s a complete joke. He was ‘scheduled’ twice, but the public mental health facilities are not anywhere near what they need to be and the after care support was not anywhere near adequate enough.

    More than hour long waits to get through to Lifeline (before giving up). 3-6 months wait for a Psychiatrist. In fact we were simply told that if you need help from a Psychiatrist sooner, call an ambulance and get them to take you to hospital to see someone there.

    There are massive gaps between Medicare rebates and actual fees and charges. There is massive gaps in knowledge between different GPs and even different mental health professionals. Nothing is simple. And my dad and I dedicated so many hours, days, weeks, months to trying to find a solution. We looked and tried everywhere, but the systems are so complicated, especially for someone with not a lot of money. Dad paid. I paid. But it was not sustainable. My dad had his own mental health issues, and I have a plethora of chronic mental health care illnesses that have only gotten worse.

    I was desperate enough to even speak with my local MP, who has been in this area for all of his life including running a GP practice. He suggested a private hospital that opened up and had great services. But they had a six month wait to see a Psychiatrist ($700 for initial consult), and the facility charges around $3,000 per day for in-patient stays. Don't get me wrong, it is a great facility for someone that can afford it. I have now stayed there twice since my brother's death, but ONLY because I can afford private health insurance. My brother could not.

    We kept watch over him so often. But it only took my dad being out of the house for a few hours and he hung himself.

    We tried so hard and we lost him. It was a huge loss to us. A huge loss to his three young kids. But also society lost someone who had an ambition to help troubled youths at the YMCA. His life was so important, as is everyone else’s. But better investment in him (and others who need it) meant that his impact on his family and society could have been returned ten fold. The grief and impact on us and those that knew him in unfathomable. You cannot imagine the pain unless you go through this.

    We need something like a Medicare levy or how the NDIS funding works to treat this. There needs to be an overhaul and it needs to be treated differently to how it is now. Obviously any solution is very expensive, but something needs to be done. And it's only getting worse.

    Losing him affects my every day. Not just R U OK day. There's not a day I don't think of him. Not a moment I don't think of holding his lifeless body to say goodbye, or walking with him when he was being wheeled to the van in a body bag.

    R U OK day might be a great start to a conversation to encourage someone to seek help, but without adequate public services available to actually treat people in need, I've lost faith in how days like today can be affective.

    • +4

      This was really heavy to read, sorry for your loss.

      Without going into my personal struggles in a public forum in too many details, I wanted to just comment for anyone else with similar struggles your brother faced, hopefully this information helps someone to avoid the system failing them too.

      The only pathway to help I found was private health insurance. Gold level cover is required for psychiatric admissions, but the waiting period is only 2 months. I personally utilised a '6 week free' promotion, which meant I only had to pay 2 weeks before I could utilise it for an admission. While admitted it's essentially all inclusive - bed, meals, nursing, etc. In rare cases some specific psychiatrists charge an excess, though this is rare and usually limited to the 'elite' or specialist hospitals.

      There is also a once per lifetime exception where you can upgrade from a lower level cover specifically for a psychiatric admission without a waiting period, meaning if one holds even bronze cover (for over 2 months) they can upgrade and immediately be admitted. This is a one-time-use option though.

      Once insurance is sorted and the waiting period end date is nearing, the easiest way to obtain an admission is through services like Bedbrokers. You ask your GP for a referral to them and they forward it to all available hospitals in Victoria taking admissions of the required kind at that time. The whole process from referral to admission typically only takes 2 weeks. I assume there would be similar services in other states.

      Once admitted, you have access to 24/7 nursing (typically a 1:3 or 1:4 ratio during the day) and a psychiatrist on call 24/7. The psychiatrist who picks up the referral will typically visit 3-5 times a week at the start of the admission, reducing to around once or twice a week as the patient recovers. They may or may not continue seeing the patient outpatient post admission, but the hospital is responsible for discharge planning and ensuring you have community supports in place (which, if required, includes a psychiatrist) post discharge. During the admission you also have access to daily group therapy sessions which teach a range of different therapeutical techniques for manging mood, addiction, etc. The psychiatrist and/or nursing staff assist in identifying groups best fitted to each patient.

      Almost all private psychiatric hospitals in Victoria don't charge out of pocket fees for the hospital side of things, though it's up to the individual psychiatrist if they charge excesses for their services. I'm only aware of a single hospital in Victoria where psychiatrists do this - the rest I'm aware of (and there's many) typically consider the insurance + Medicare payments as full payment for inpatient services.

      P.S. Anyone struggling looking for a psychiatric hospital - they're referred to as 'clinics'. If you can't find a service like Bedbrokers, look through your network hospitals under your insurance for anything that has 'clinic' in the name.

      Edit: Note the above also applies to addiction (if there's mental health factors involved, including depression) and PTSD - not just mental health.

      Edit 2: For post discharge and/or outpatient, the NDIS now covers 'psychosocial disability'. They don't specify specific diagnoses required as it's based on how the diagnoses impact you / the impairment(s) they cause. This can be applied for using an 'Evidence of Psychosocial Disability' form available on the NDIS website. If anyone is struggling to the point the above applies to them, it's best to begin this process while still inpatient so you have access to a psychiatrist regularly to work on the form and gather evidence. Your first plan usually sucks but includes occupational therapy, you then reapply with an occupational therapy report to get a plan that actually meets your needs.

    • So sad and sorry for your loss mate, and of the sufferings of you and your family. No one deserves that.

      Agreed mental health care in this country is severely lacking. Whilst this initiative creates awareness and starts conversations, a lot more does need to be done so that more people aren’t lost

  • -3

    This thread is so depressing. Now I’m not ok.

    But really, even though times maybe be hard now there is a lot to be be thankful for.

    People think our civilisation will somehow go along as it has the past 100 years despite our entire system relying on one thing — cheap and abundant energy. For instance we wouldn't have the population we have now if we didn't figure out how to make fertilisers using fossil fuels. Our world seems to have become completely crazy post-COVID. Social media is destroying the minds of young people, humans have polluted the planet with forever chemicals and microplastics, gender is no longer set but is now a fluid concept, people consume way too much in general and they somehow think that they know more than career scientists, we live on a finite planet yet the CEOs and economists of the world think infinite growth is possible because no economic system out there applies ecological constraints that our entire species live in. Somehow we must be different to the reindeer on St Matthew island. It seems people just don't really think anymore.

    It is believed that the carrying capacity of the planet is somewhere around the ballpark of 2-3 billion people yet we've overshot that number by a huge margin and it is all because we harnessed fossil fuels to our advantage and one day those fossil fuels will run out or become too expensive to extract no matter what people wish to believe. People do not understand that humans rely upon the earth for survival, every human needs a set amount of land on which crops or animals can be grown for their personal consumption. Fossil fuels helped us to dodge negative feedback loops like disease and famine but once they run out those negative feedback loops will no longer be suppressed.

    We live in the greatest time in human history in terms of our lifestyles and technology, could Cleopatra or Genghis Khan travel to the other side of the world in under a day? Could they travel 100 km in a day in around an hour's time? Could they eat foods and watch movies from other countries? Could they drive 10 minutes the supermarket 8km away and buy some tomatoes that were harvested 200 km away? Nope, because they didn't have the technology that we do.

    So enjoy life now because it could be a lot worse.

  • +1

    I'm feeling just swell.

  • +2

    im awful, it makes me feel more shit when i see this banner tho

  • +4

    I took today off work as sick leave, as I didn't want to be a part of the stupid lunch being held for it where everyone was only talking about the free pizza. In previous years, the whole topic of mental health is never even mentioned. And the only time anyone asks the question is as a joke. This would be the only day the bosses acknowledge my existence. Couldn't bring myself to feel forced to support such an empty virtue signalling get-together.

  • +1

    I reckon suicide are on the cards for myself.

    • plz dont

  • +2

    I told the admin girl at work that I loved her because OzBargain said it might be easier than asking if she was OK. It didn't go well.

    • LOL!

    • How's HR treating you? R U OK?

  • R U OK M8?

  • +5

    Thanks everyone for the comments and discussion. I hope some of you were able to communicate to friend/family/etc. I've sent some of you PMs. Don't feel you need to respond but just know I love you all.

    As for my reach out, I was unable to get them on the phone after weeks of trying and messages. I've been worried for a while about this person as they've had a few life dramas and told me they weren't in good place mentally through messages. I'm going to keep persisting.

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