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Microsoft Surface Pro (11th Edition) Copilot+PC 13" Snapdragon X Plus/16GB/256GB $1624 + $8.95 Delivery + Surcharge @ digiDirect

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Looks like a decent price for this tablet.

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  • That memory is a yoke!!

    • +4

      Grrr, still soldered. Cmon EU, do your thing.

      • ok lets say its not soldered, how are you planning on opening this?

        • +2

          Here

          https://www.ifixit.com/Document/TdOjWbn5PtAyhATj/Microsoft-S…

          Not terribly difficult once you have the gear and have watched enough videos.

        • +1

          check on how to open previous Surface Pro models, like Surface Pro 8 or Surface Pro x.

          pop the cover out like a SIM card tray, and then screw the SSD on yourself.

          I wish they could retain this design..

          • @OMGJL: SSD is still upgradable on 11th gen.

            • @somebody123: I thought they were talking about storage as they used the word "Memory" instead of "RAM".. so I assumed they meant the storage is soldered on now.

              also although 16GB still isn't much it's much better than Apple with their 8GB… hence I made wrong assumption.

              • -1

                @OMGJL:

                I thought they were talking about storage as they used the word "Memory" instead of "RAM"

                RAM is Memory - it stands for Random Access Memory…

                • +1

                  @Nom: non volatile memory or random access memory both are memory… hence the misunderstanding.

    • -1

      Since this is ARM… Shouldn't matter right? Similar to a MacBook now and MacBook are supposedly fine with only 8gb.

      • -2

        the architecture alone doesnt really have much to do with memory use, the main reason macbooks can get away with 8gb is macos itself

        • +1

          the main reason macbooks can get away with 8gb is macos itself

          Oh come on… This is moving goal posts. Mac OS would have never been this popular as it is today especially for developers if it wasn't for ARM, as it would just be expensive without any benefits. No developer or company used Intel Macs… M1 changed all of that.

        • +13

          the main reason macbooks can get away with 8gb is macos itself

          Sorry, but this is just completely false, and I wish people would stop saying it.

          I'm a developer who's worked on both Windows and macOS software and am familiar with how both OSes handle RAM. There is no magic sauce, the reason why macOS is supposedly more "efficient" with RAM usage is because it's much more aggressive at killing background tasks (the so-called "App Nap" approach), uses save states to resume apps, and is dynamically managing swapping to a greater degree than in Windows.

          Ultimately, these things may give the illusion of more efficient RAM usage, but you can achieve the same effects in Windows, e.g. by closing down apps that you are not actively using (which is just what macOS is doing in the background).

          When you actually need more than 8GB of RAM, no amount of memory management can fake it - there is plenty of evidence which shows the impact of having less RAM, e.g. see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtPBWxFx060, the reality is that the model with 16GB of RAM performs significantly better in various workloads which require the RAM.

          At the end of the day, I'm not trying to bash Apple - I use both Windows and macOS daily, I think it is good that Microsoft are shipping their base model Surface machines with 16GB RAM, hopefully this pressures Apple to do the same. Even if you are an Apple fan and will only ever buy Apple products, you would rather have 16GB RAM than 8GB RAM as a base spec, right?

          • -2

            @p1 ama: i should clarify i dont mean to defend their skimpy 8gb usage at all, and i agree with you that its due to more aggressive killing - but again the perceived ram efficiency is not because of the ISA, but macos's defaults, like you say

  • +16

    excited for the day this ai marketing era ends

    • Day after the cloud era ends :)

  • nice also has 2 Thunderbolt 4 ports yay.

    • Im pretty sure Thunderbolt is an Intel thing. I think thats a website mistake.

  • -4

    I just wish this wasn't a tablet but a proper laptop with a proper keyboard

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