In Reality, What Good Is a Home Security Camera Setup?

FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 16:06
Last edited 17/07/2024 - 22:34

With the Amazon Prime Day sale, I looked up Ring cameras and saw that they are on sale. So, I am considering getting one but then I wonder what benefit they actually have. If my house is broken into, does the insurance company not pay out if I don't have ~~insurance~~ cameras? Surely, they still would. If the thieves wear a simple mask around their face, it can't be used to identify them in court, and if they don't, I'd have to have it at face level to capture their face and not the top of their heads.

So, what benefit does it actually bring or is it just for ~~piece~~ peace of mind?

-Update-
Looks like cameras aren't that useful.

-EDIT-
English bad, midnight shifts and tired.

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jv on 17/07/2024 - 16:10

In reality, whats a good home security camera setup?

Reolink PoE
BOGOF on 17/07/2024 - 16:13

+4

Most thieves/burglars are opportunistic. If they look at two houses with noone home they are less likely to break into the one with security cameras.
They dont stop break-ins, just push them onto someone else.
- apsilon on 17/07/2024 - 17:04
  
  +1
  
  Exactly this. Same can be said for locks. It stops the opportunistic and the honest. Most homes are very easy to break into if you really want to.
barge-in hunter on 17/07/2024 - 16:17

+3

I like the idea of home security cameras because if someone does break in, you'll have video evidence of all the things they stole.

Never been in this position, but I think this would make an insurance claim easier - evidence that both you owned the item you're claiming and that it was lost during the burglary.
- jv on 17/07/2024 - 16:24
  
  +3
  
  you'll have video evidence of all the things they stole.
  
  what about things they put in their pockets?
  - askbargain on 17/07/2024 - 17:03
    
    infrared cameras
  - BillyStm on 17/07/2024 - 17:22
    
    +4
    
    including the ring doorbell camera on the way out!
geekcohen on 17/07/2024 - 16:22

+6

Looked at all the crimes happening in VIC. The crimes don't care about any of the cameras and will just break in anyway.

For me, it is a piece of mind having a set of eyes whether I am home or not. Plus, it is better to have evidence than no evidence at all (especially for insurance and police reports etc). Also, the evidence can help join the dots if the individual has done multiple break-ins or thefts in terms of a time frame etc.

Never had to make a theft claim, and hope I don't.
Archi on 17/07/2024 - 16:27

+9

does the insurance company not pay out if I don't have insurance

yes… if you dont have insurance no one will pay you.
- FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:13
  
  -1
  
  Midnight shifts… cheers
pharkurnell on 17/07/2024 - 16:29

+2

If your going to do it, invest in quality cameras that show clear pictures… not those blurry shit ones the news shows with 'have you seen this man'… and it could really be Big Foot.
vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 16:38

Benefits of a camera: (Example used based on a wired camera with NVR)
1 - Piece of mind
2 - 24 hour surveillance
3 - Security (obviously)
4 - Notifications of any events
5 - Depending on camera (two way mic communications)
6 - Nightvision (Colour at night)
7 - Intimidating/Camera stands out
8 - Evidence.
9 - Late cameras have lighting (lights up your yard - dim)
10 - Siren/Alarm on camera - Trigger
11 - PTZ - Tracking (optional)
12 - Viewing footage remotely
- Darude Sandstorm on 17/07/2024 - 17:40
  
  The whole mic thing and recording audio without consent is a sticky pickle, even if they're a criminal it doesn't make it legal lol.
  Whatever else you said is correct.
  Source: Security installer
  - vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 17:42
    
    +2
    
    They can break into your house without consent but it's a 'Grey area' to record their audio talking to their bro's LOL. Yep… litigous society which makes lawyers richer
    - virhlpool on 18/07/2024 - 00:01
      
      Exactly what I thought. Burglars do every single thing without our consent and yet we need their consent to record their audio. Lol. What kinda society do we live in!
  - DoctorCalculon on 18/07/2024 - 01:07
    
    The whole mic thing and recording audio without consent is a sticky pickle, even if they're a criminal it doesn't make it legal lol.
    
    If I am recording audio and video 24/7 on my own property, please tell me which law I am breaking here?
    If you find that piece of legislation, please do post here for everyone's benefits.
    
    If the cameras are pointed right at my neighbour's backyard, then that's a different matter altogether.
Muzeeb on 17/07/2024 - 16:44

So what benefit does it actually bring or is it just for piece of mind?

The only benefit I see is you get to post the grainy night time footage on Facebook community groups saying…

Can anyone identify these criminals

FFS

piece of mind?

Also, classic ozbargain.
- vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 16:46
  
  How about the intelligent crimimals' cars parked nearby the camera captures? Colour and make/model stands out like dogs genitals. Number plate depending on distance and camera.
  - FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:29
    
    -1
    
    I'd assume they'd use a stolen car, well, assuming they are intelligent enough.
    - vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 22:35
      
      +1
      
      Which ever way you look at it, if they want to break in, they'll break in. You can completely fortify your home, CCTV, alarms, high fences, upgraded locks, Doberman, external security home monitoring services etc. I have CCTV and can't live without it. Why? I sleep well at night as i get constant notifications of any movement remotely. That's what matters to me.
      - FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:40
        
        -1
        
        @vinni9284: I get that, first kid came along, and I was worrying about them constantly. Got myself a baby monitor with a screen next to my bed and I slept well again.
        
        -Edit-
        You got upset by that comment? Hope you're not that fragile.
        
        vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 22:43
        
        @FabMan: Well, you've contradicted yourself by saying they are not useful. They are useful, but it seems you don't want to spend too much? Sleeping well at night is already a win.
        
        FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:44
        
        -2
        
        @vinni9284: I listened to your feedback, I liked your point. The conversation is wasted on you though, go cry under a blanket.
        
        vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 22:45
        
        @FabMan: I think you need monitoring in a different way
        
        FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:46
        
        -1
        
        @vinni9284: Conversation and listening to other opinions is what it is about, you have forgotten that though. Edited your post, coward.
        
        vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 22:49
        
        @FabMan: I think you're missing the point and interpreting differently.
        
        FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:51
        
        @vinni9284: Maybe, but you told me I am contradicting myself and then every post of mine on here got downvoted, I have made an assumption it was you, and I can't understand why when I was trying to show that I understood your point of view when talking about my kid with the sleeping monitor.
        
        vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 22:52
        
        @FabMan: I didn't downvote you
        
        FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:53
        
        @vinni9284: Sorry then, someone is doing it as I'm talking to you. I thought you had made a good point and I was agreeing with you and then I got spammed negged and you said I was contradicting myself. Assumption just made a fool of me.
        
        -Edit-
        Haha Someone is being a snowflake and going through my posts to downvote on multiple forums. Haha, I guess I angered someone here somehow. No clue how.
        
        vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 22:59
        
        @FabMan: The reason i said contradiction is that on your edit, is that you said that they aren't useful.
        
        If you look at the analogy, CCTV is an external baby monitor for your home.
        
        I'm not trying to put you down
        
        FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 23:05
        
        @vinni9284: Reading other people's posts here, no one seems to have much usefulness in reality for them other than peace of mind, which is what I asked in my original question: "So, what benefit does it actually bring or is it just for peace of mind?". Peace of mind is all and good, but unlike the baby situation, I am not staying awake with worry about break in's.
        
        vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 23:08
        
        +1
        
        @FabMan: IMO peace of mind for me is everything. People pay to have that. But it's up to you. Good luck with your decision
        
        sumyungguy on 17/07/2024 - 23:25
        
        +1
        
        @FabMan: Some of the things I've found them useful for:
        - the police requested a clip which helped them timestamp some thieves exchanging merch from a petrol station robbery;
        - I engage household workers so I can check the times they arrive and depart (but it's not that I distrust them);
        - I can respond to events while I'm away from home, like the time a ducted aircon system got unloaded into my carport when it was supposed to be delivered a few houses away;
        - I get notified when parcels arrive and I feel the cameras deter porch pirates;
        - the motion sensor(s) can be used to trigger home automations;
        - I'm a carer so an indoor camera is setup to do welfare checks;
        - I can identify the losers who don't pick up after their dogs;
        - they log useful information, much like dashcams & public CCTV.
- FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 23:12
  
  "Also, classic ozbargain."
  
  Midnight shifts lead me to tired brain, fixed.
0FoxGiven on 17/07/2024 - 16:45

+2

Personally I would invest in quality security doors over cameras. As for a camera being a deterrent, I'd just put 1 or 2 dummy cameras in very visible locations in front of the house
- Cyphar on 17/07/2024 - 16:59
  
  +2
  
  Yep I agree but renters can't afford this luxury when landlords refuse, however they can install wireless cameras/doorbells which provides them some form of security, at least. My tenants were shocked when I said yes to their request for me getting a security door for the place. Apparently they had asked for one at their last 3 properties and each time it was denied.
- Darude Sandstorm on 17/07/2024 - 17:41
  
  Dummy cameras kinda suck tho, as soon as you're next to it you know it's not real.
JimmyF on 17/07/2024 - 17:02

+5

So what benefit does it actually bring or is it just for piece of mind?

Piece of mind, seeing who is at the door before you answer it, seeing what happened is also handy for those 24/7 cameras.

Watching your neighbour do the dirty on her FIFO husband while he is away.

You know, all the normal things.
- geekcohen on 17/07/2024 - 17:26
  
  +3
  
  Watching your neighbour do the dirty on her FIFO husband while he is away.
  
  What a thread that was.
- Naigrabzo on 17/07/2024 - 19:15
  
  +1
  
  LOVE the FIFO comment.
JIMB0 on 17/07/2024 - 17:48

+1

Get one that alerts you to someone snooping around outside your house. That way you can go out and greet them with your baseball bat. Make sure to delete the recordings afterwards.
zathras on 17/07/2024 - 17:54

Just because a burglar wears a mask and a black jumper, doesn't necessarily means it will cover all their identifying tattoos.
I know a guy who got burgled twice in quick succession by the same guy. Second time there were cameras (on a UPS) that allowed the cops to identify the criminal from his tatts that weren't covered.
sumyungguy on 17/07/2024 - 17:55

+2

I get peace of mind. But if you're timing is perfect you could speak to your intruders remotely and give them a piece of your mind. In my 'hood they're an arguably proven visual deterrent.
ForkSnorter on 17/07/2024 - 18:02

Someone told me that if you don't want anything stolen, you should paint everything in your house with fresh dog poo. Then put a big sign outside your house that says, "Everything in this house is coated in fresh dog poo". Apparently this strategy has a 100% success rate.
dixy on 17/07/2024 - 18:05

What would be expected cost to getting professionally wiring and installation done for 8 cameras if I provide the nvr in SE Melbourne.
Asking for a friend :)
- Naigrabzo on 17/07/2024 - 19:14
  
  6k plus GST + covid tax 20%.
billy3000 on 17/07/2024 - 19:15

Excellent for telling off my dogs!
Baghern on 17/07/2024 - 20:11

Think about it if you were theif/robber… why take that extra risk, when the house next door doesnt have cameras

Its like cars in the old days, criminals when interviewed said the same thing, yeah its easy to dismantle, but why take that extra effort. Same with alarm systems, it might be a fake red led indicating an alarm…. whty take that risk
- JIMB0 on 17/07/2024 - 20:19
  
  +2
  
  The house with cameras has better stuff. The one with no camera and an old Camry out front isn't worth the effort.
Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 17/07/2024 - 20:46

+2

Pro - you'll get some amazing footage of unidentifiable people in black hoodies breaking in
Con - money you spent on cameras could have been spent on better locks and security so they couldn't break it
- FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:17
  
  -1
  
  This is what I suspect.
- Cevolution on 17/07/2024 - 22:42
  
  +1
  
  @Typical16-bitEnjoyer - It depends who you work for, I have resources available to me at work that could allow me to access and obtain general public camera footage beyond the private property footage from the premise where I live. Also having worked for a military surplus retailer I could probably identify from certain characteristics the type and brand of the mask/balaclava that was worn too, which would help in narrowing down where they were purchased from.
Cevolution on 17/07/2024 - 22:01

There is security cameras all over the apartment complex I live in and I have access to the servers. I love my knife collection which I bought when I was working for a camping/outdoor/military surplus retailer (the Helle Jegermester with a 135mm blade is my favourite), anyone that tries to break in unless they have a gun which is unlikely in Australian society for morons that do break into other peoples houses (only people that are involved in organised crime in Australia have guns, and they’re not interested in breaking into some random persons home to steal their TV), will get one straight in the ear and then the chest.

https://ibb.co/FDLdSPL
- Muzeeb on 17/07/2024 - 23:17
  
  +1
  
  What a creepy reply.
  - Cevolution on 17/07/2024 - 23:37
    
    @Muzeeb - Fight creepy with creepy 😝… I don’t think you really have any idea just how creepy some people really are in our society, I’ve been faced with people that get off on dressing up like Saddam Hussein, and putting on German World War II outfits, and dirty gas masks on their faces that were used in actual wars.
    
    Which reply? The one about defending against anybody that foolishly decided to break in, or using available resources to obtaining security footage to identify them? Are you saying you wouldn’t defend yourself and your family if someone broke into your home? Don’t get me wrong, I certainly don’t have the attitude of North Americans with regards defending their homes to the extreme of we all should have guns for this purpose, however burglars can certainly turn violent, and in such a situation I’m prepared to drop them and possibly take their life with no remorse or second thought if that’s what I am up against. Is the possibility of losing their life really worth a free iPad? I don’t really have much to lose, I have chosen not to have children therefore my fears aren’t the same as many people who do have children, all daily life really is is working, eating, sleeping and shitting, as well as spending money on a lot of BS we don’t really need, with a small amount fun along the way, prison at least provides free food, shelter, and sex 😝

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