In Reality, What Good Is a Home Security Camera Setup?

FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 16:06
Last edited 17/07/2024 - 22:34

With the Amazon Prime Day sale, I looked up Ring cameras and saw that they are on sale. So, I am considering getting one but then I wonder what benefit they actually have. If my house is broken into, does the insurance company not pay out if I don't have insurance cameras? Surely, they still would. If the thieves wear a simple mask around their face, it can't be used to identify them in court, and if they don't, I'd have to have it at face level to capture their face and not the top of their heads.

So, what benefit does it actually bring or is it just for piece peace of mind?

-Update-
Looks like cameras aren't that useful.

-EDIT-
English bad, midnight shifts and tired.

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Comments

  • jv on 17/07/2024 - 16:10
    +9

    In reality, whats a good home security camera setup?

    Reolink PoE

    • Geoffreys on 18/07/2024 - 07:29
      +1

      Also reolink wifi. Very satisfied with our 4x cameras and its person detection

      • whatsinaname on 18/07/2024 - 14:27
        +1

        THIS ! I have 4K 822A i guess with a hub that stores data. Great cameras with good price point as well.

      • ATTS on 19/07/2024 - 13:48

        Which model did ilu get reolink?

        Link please if u dont mind thanks

        • Geoffreys on 20/07/2024 - 07:55

          Reolink NVR RLN36 (this was probably overkill..)
          Reolink Duo2 WIFI (these can see 180 degrees)
          Reolink TrackMix
          Reolink E1 Zoom (indoor. Ultimately we turned off the zoom part cos of its location in the house)

          • ATTS on 20/07/2024 - 14:18

            @Geoffreys: Thanks. Oh u have a 36 camera setup

    • immortalbjr on 19/07/2024 - 15:21

      Can someone explain to me is there different "types" of PoE?

      When I last built I used Ubiquiti PoE cameras and bought a PoE switch for them to plug into, but still ended up having to use like a 240v "adapter" type thing which is a bit of a pain to be honest. I would rather just true PoE without the adapters how can I tell if these cameras will work like that with my switch?

      Ubiquiti used to be pretty good years ago but feel like they've dropped the ball lately, im looking to switch them over to something else Reolink ones look ok.

      • jv on 19/07/2024 - 15:26

        There are different standards with different max power ratings.

        https://www.black-box.de/en-de/page/23894/Resources/Technica…

      • rumblytangara on 20/07/2024 - 09:54

        Yes there are at least 5 types of PoE. Four of them are auto-negotiating. Your switch simply has to support the highest level of device you connect to it.

        They are explained in detail on the PoE Wikipedia page.

        Ubiquiti has been shite for years. It's not a 'dropped the ball recently' thing. If anything, they are slightly less shite now than five years ago.

  • BOGOF on 17/07/2024 - 16:13
    +32

    Most thieves/burglars are opportunistic. If they look at two houses with noone home they are less likely to break into the one with security cameras.
    They dont stop break-ins, just push them onto someone else.

    • apsilon on 17/07/2024 - 17:04
      +1

      Exactly this. Same can be said for locks. It stops the opportunistic and the honest. Most homes are very easy to break into if you really want to.

      • smartProverble on 20/07/2024 - 15:11

        Most homes are very easy to break into if you really want to.

        Sounds like you are trying to say something… Like a confession.

        I think you need a lawyer.

    • Assburg on 18/07/2024 - 13:08
      +1

      Yeah…seldom wearing a mask as well, most just throw a hoodie on and some even look up at the cameras and… Just assume they're fake? As they just proceed with their break-in.

    • HeWhoKnows on 18/07/2024 - 15:44
      -3

      Not necessarily

      They dont really care.
      In fact they will stand in front of the camera and wave to you because they know you cant get them.

      These days any house will do.

      The more the merrier.

      The only things that might stop them is more difficulty getting in an out.
      They certainly look for "easy targets"

    • BlueSkyAPI on 18/07/2024 - 16:07
      +2

      An experienced thief will just shut the house power from the power cabinet - that would disable most people's security camera systems, or remove the security camera recorder on the way out.

      Agree many offenders don't care as they are minor or had so many priors they just don't need to care any more.

      • Molebag on 18/07/2024 - 22:23
        +5

        With smart meters, theres no reason not to have a lock on your meter box these days. Our PoE camera system is on battery backup as well.

        • psdillon on 19/07/2024 - 09:00

          How did you set up the battery backup? It's on my to-do list. Those PoE cameras are very power hungry.

        • luke0 on 19/07/2024 - 18:49
          +1

          Locking is a great idea, however make sure it’s a lock that your provider has a master key for so linesman and other contractors can get access in an emergency. An example from Energex for SEQ

          https://www.energex.com.au/our-services/metering/meter-locks

    • noideaa on 22/07/2024 - 11:35
      +1

      Having a second car on the driveway, dummy cameras and leaving dime lamp on in the living room that’s facing the front window all night will make them think someone is home. Dog signs on backyard gate and a lady that stay home is also the best deterrence.

      For those who doesn’t want cameras (like me).

  • barge-in hunter on 17/07/2024 - 16:17
    +13

    I like the idea of home security cameras because if someone does break in, you'll have video evidence of all the things they stole.

    Never been in this position, but I think this would make an insurance claim easier - evidence that both you owned the item you're claiming and that it was lost during the burglary.

    • jv on 17/07/2024 - 16:24
      +2

      you'll have video evidence of all the things they stole.

      what about things they put in their pockets?

      • askbargain on 17/07/2024 - 17:03
        +2

        infrared cameras

      • BillyStm on 17/07/2024 - 17:22
        +8

        including the ring doorbell camera on the way out!

    • juzza87 on 18/07/2024 - 16:06
      +1

      If the burglar is carrying a big sack with a $ sign on it you're not likely to tell what got stolen with only external cameras, if you have internal cameras I hope they're not connected to the internet (or are on their own VLAN) because they don't get many security updates and can be easily exploited.

  • geekcohen on 17/07/2024 - 16:22
    +18

    Looked at all the crimes happening in VIC. The crimes don't care about any of the cameras and will just break in anyway.

    For me, it is a piece of mind having a set of eyes whether I am home or not. Plus, it is better to have evidence than no evidence at all (especially for insurance and police reports etc). Also, the evidence can help join the dots if the individual has done multiple break-ins or thefts in terms of a time frame etc.

    Never had to make a theft claim, and hope I don't.

    • Alexxx on 18/07/2024 - 10:59
      +8

      I've got notifications set up when my cameras detect people. So if I'm not home and I get a notification then I have a chance to call the cops straight away.

      Also lets me know about my nosy neighbours checking out by bins or not picking up after their dogs in my front yard.

    • BlahBlahBlaah on 19/07/2024 - 13:54
      -8

      No one with a working brain cell would choose to live in Victoriastan anyway

      • geekcohen on 01/08/2024 - 10:29

        Victoria is just an example. It happens in QLD too.

  • Archi on 17/07/2024 - 16:27
    +18

    does the insurance company not pay out if I don't have insurance

    yes… if you dont have insurance no one will pay you.

    • FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:13

      Midnight shifts… cheers

  • pharkurnell on 17/07/2024 - 16:29
    +5

    If your going to do it, invest in quality cameras that show clear pictures… not those blurry shit ones the news shows with 'have you seen this man'… and it could really be Big Foot.

    • cimrak on 18/07/2024 - 10:02
      +4

      Yes.

      Also, having provided camera footage to police from an old workplace that was broken into and then seeing that footage on the news, it looked nothing like the original quality - almost like someone had used a potato to screencap it. The original footage had the thief's faces clear and sharp. The news footage made them look like an uncooked cookie.

  • vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 16:38
    +5

    Benefits of a camera: (Example used based on a wired camera with NVR)
    1 - Piece of mind
    2 - 24 hour surveillance
    3 - Security (obviously)
    4 - Notifications of any events
    5 - Depending on camera (two way mic communications)
    6 - Nightvision (Colour at night)
    7 - Intimidating/Camera stands out
    8 - Evidence.
    9 - Late cameras have lighting (lights up your yard - dim)
    10 - Siren/Alarm on camera - Trigger
    11 - PTZ - Tracking (optional)
    12 - Viewing footage remotely

      • vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 17:42
        +23

        They can break into your house without consent but it's a 'Grey area' to record their audio talking to their bro's LOL. Yep… litigous society which makes lawyers richer

        • virhlpool on 18/07/2024 - 00:01
          +3

          Exactly what I thought. Burglars do every single thing without our consent and yet we need their consent to record their audio. Lol. What kinda society do we live in!

      • DoctorCalculon on 18/07/2024 - 01:07
        +9

        The whole mic thing and recording audio without consent is a sticky pickle, even if they're a criminal it doesn't make it legal lol.

        If I am recording audio and video 24/7 on my own property, please tell me which law I am breaking here?
        If you find that piece of legislation, please do post here for everyone's benefits.

        If the cameras are pointed right at my neighbour's backyard, then that's a different matter altogether.

        • singlemalt72 on 18/07/2024 - 08:47
          +8

          Yeah, people often misinterpret the privacy laws - there is no court in the country that is going to not admit evidence of a camera with audio because it "breaks" privacy laws, likewise, no burglar is going to be able to sue you for breaching their privacy.

        • singlemalt72 on 18/07/2024 - 08:47
          +5

          Yeah, people often misinterpret the privacy laws - there is no court in the country that is going to not admit evidence of a camera with audio because it "breaks" privacy laws, likewise, no burglar is going to be able to sue you for breaching their privacy.

        • lunchbox99 on 18/07/2024 - 13:03

          Recording audio of your neighbour when you are not party to the conversation can be illegal. Whether or not someone will do anything about it is a different question.

          • DoctorCalculon on 18/07/2024 - 16:48

            @lunchbox99:

            Recording audio of your neighbour when you are not party to the conversation can be illegal.

            You missed the part where the devices are located on my own property.

            Furthermore, once again I ask please show me the exact clause of the exact legislation that you think makes audio recording (on my own property) illegal but not video recording. It is almost laughable how many people just like to throw around the world "illegal" for audio recording on private property.

            Whether or not someone will do anything about it is a different question.

            Yes, what can they do?

            • lunchbox99 on 18/07/2024 - 19:14
              +1

              @DoctorCalculon: It doesn’t matter where they are located. It is illegal in most of australia to record a conversation without consent when you are not a party of the conversation.

              I see you are in Melbourne. Here is an explanation of the law in Victoria and a link to the relevant legislation.
              https://recordinglaw.com/victoria-recording-laws/

              Section 6 Regulation of installation, use and maintenance of listening devices
              (1) Subject to subsection (2), a person must not knowingly install, use or maintain a listening device to overhear, record, monitor or listen to a private conversation to which the person is not a party, without the express or implied consent of each party to the conversation.
              Penalty:
              In the case of a natural person, level 7 imprisonment (2 years maximum) or a level 7 fine (240 penalty units maximum) or both;
              In the case of a body corporate, 1200 penalty units.

              What can they do - they can sue you to remove devices that are located in places where you can record their conversations without consent. Is it likely to happen? No unless you have bad blood with your neighbours, but it is certainly possible.

              So if you have audio recording between houses, outside windows etc then keep it to yourself. If your neighbours become aware of it, they could force you to relocate the device.

              • DoctorCalculon on 18/07/2024 - 20:00
                -1

                @lunchbox99:

                What can they do - they can sue you to remove devices that are located in places where you can record their conversations without consent.

                Certainly they can try in vain and waste their money.
                I control all the surveillance devices on my property — outdoors and indoors. As this is a civil matter, good luck building a case without a warrant.
                How will they know if I have a NVR sitting in my server rack? Or, I could just have some really good fake Dahua cameras from AliExpress.

                https://recordinglaw.com/victoria-recording-laws/

                These laws you point to are all in the civil jurisdiction unless someone is being a peeping tom, which is not the case here.

                Please don't go fearmongering. The surveillance is for the purposes of security. IDGAF about the feelings of my neighbours.
                If my place gets robbed, they are suddenly not going to come up with a description of the perpetrator.

                Also, most people don't go pointing cameras at their neighbour's backyard without their consent.

                So if you have audio recording between houses, outside windows etc then keep it to yourself

                My front facing PTZ cameras seem to advertise themselves well with sirens, flashing red & blue lights, and two-way talk.
                They track anyone on the footpaths and on the streets - all public areas.

                If your neighbours become aware of it, they could force you to relocate the device.

                Yes, only if I am stupid enough to install cameras specifically pointed into their backyard without their prior consent (or, if I don't show them I have masked their property). Otherwise, that is a clear invasion of their privacy.

                They certainly cannot force me to remove my front cameras which have a legitimate security purpose.

              • DoctorCalculon on 18/07/2024 - 20:12
                -1

                @lunchbox99:

                Section 6 Regulation of installation, use and maintenance of listening devices
                (1) Subject to subsection (2), a person must not knowingly install, use or maintain a listening device to overhear, record, monitor or listen to a private conversation to which the person is not a party, without the express or implied consent of each party to the conversation.
                Penalty:
                In the case of a natural person, level 7 imprisonment (2 years maximum) or a level 7 fine (240 penalty units maximum) or both;
                In the case of a body corporate, 1200 penalty units.

                The operative words are: private conversation.

                My lawyer would argue, if you are having a conversation right in front of my property on the footpath before you plan to rob my place, that area isn't exactly private, is it?

                Secondly, how will you prove my optical recording devices are also recording audio without a warrant to the premises?
                You cannot obtain a warrant because I haven't violated any criminal statutes, and/or there is no probable cause.

                • lunchbox99 on 18/07/2024 - 20:22

                  @DoctorCalculon: And your camera placement could allow you to illegally record private conversations. The example I specifically gave is where people place them between houses and they are adjacent to the neighbours windows.

                  Listen, you can argue till you’re blue in the face, You’re wrong.

                  • DoctorCalculon on 18/07/2024 - 20:53
                    -1

                    @lunchbox99:

                    And your camera placement could allow you to illegally record private conversations.

                    So, what? You cannot legally enter my property to prove it within the context of a civil litigation.

                    Listen, you can argue till you’re blue in the face, You’re wrong.

                    Sure thing, bud. You still haven't addressed how you go about hypothesis to actual proof when no crime has been committed.

                    My cameras have been recording audio for many years. I am not suddenly going to take them down because someone might sue me.
                    In fact, I have to plans to install more security cameras as more advanced devices come into the market.

                    Furthermore, I have provided footage to Victoria Police in the past without scrubbing audio for a vandalism incident.

                    In a nutshell, are you saying folks shouldn't install security cameras with audio (even front facing - covering public areas), because they could incidentally record a private conversation from a window of a neighbour?

                    If that is not what you are saying, could you please suggest something a bit more practical.

                  • jackspratt on 18/07/2024 - 23:09

                    @lunchbox99:

                    Listen, you can argue till you’re blue in the face, You’re wrong.

                    Nope, it's you.

                    Hand back your Cornflakes packet law degree.

        • Darude Sandstorm on 18/07/2024 - 16:59
          -1

          who said cameras were internal?
          I was going off external front porch cameras as the assumption, records more than just the crim.
          If it's during the act of a crime that's one thing, if they scope out the place a week before hand but don't break the law you are

      • IpGem on 18/07/2024 - 09:31
        +2

        even if they're a criminal it doesn't make it legal lol.

        Lol

  • MS Paint on 17/07/2024 - 16:44

    So what benefit does it actually bring or is it just for piece of mind?

    The only benefit I see is you get to post the grainy night time footage on Facebook community groups saying…

    Can anyone identify these criminals

    FFS

    piece of mind?

    Also, classic ozbargain.

    • vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 16:46

      How about the intelligent crimimals' cars parked nearby the camera captures? Colour and make/model stands out like dogs genitals. Number plate depending on distance and camera.

      • FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:29
        -3

        I'd assume they'd use a stolen car, well, assuming they are intelligent enough.

        • vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 22:35
          +2

          Which ever way you look at it, if they want to break in, they'll break in. You can completely fortify your home, CCTV, alarms, high fences, upgraded locks, Doberman, external security home monitoring services etc. I have CCTV and can't live without it. Why? I sleep well at night as i get constant notifications of any movement remotely. That's what matters to me.

          • FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:40
            -1

            @vinni9284: I get that, first kid came along, and I was worrying about them constantly. Got myself a baby monitor with a screen next to my bed and I slept well again.

            -Edit-
            You got upset by that comment? Hope you're not that fragile.

            • vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 22:43
              +2

              @FabMan: Well, you've contradicted yourself by saying they are not useful. They are useful, but it seems you don't want to spend too much? Sleeping well at night is already a win.

              • FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:44
                -7

                @vinni9284: I listened to your feedback, I liked your point. The conversation is wasted on you though, go cry under a blanket.

                • vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 22:45
                  +2

                  @FabMan: I think you need monitoring in a different way

                  • FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:46
                    -4

                    @vinni9284: Conversation and listening to other opinions is what it is about, you have forgotten that though. Edited your post, coward.

                    • vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 22:49
                      +1

                      @FabMan: I think you're missing the point and interpreting differently.

                      • FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:51

                        @vinni9284: Maybe, but you told me I am contradicting myself and then every post of mine on here got downvoted, I have made an assumption it was you, and I can't understand why when I was trying to show that I understood your point of view when talking about my kid with the sleeping monitor.

                        • vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 22:52

                          @FabMan: I didn't downvote you

                          • FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:53
                            -2

                            @vinni9284: Sorry then, someone is doing it as I'm talking to you. I thought you had made a good point and I was agreeing with you and then I got spammed negged and you said I was contradicting myself. Assumption just made a fool of me.

                            -Edit-
                            Haha Someone is being a snowflake and going through my posts to downvote on multiple forums. Haha, I guess I angered someone here somehow. No clue how.

                            • vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 22:59
                              +1

                              @FabMan: The reason i said contradiction is that on your edit, is that you said that they aren't useful.

                              If you look at the analogy, CCTV is an external baby monitor for your home.

                              I'm not trying to put you down

                              • FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 23:05
                                -4

                                @vinni9284: Reading other people's posts here, no one seems to have much usefulness in reality for them other than peace of mind, which is what I asked in my original question: "So, what benefit does it actually bring or is it just for peace of mind?". Peace of mind is all and good, but unlike the baby situation, I am not staying awake with worry about break in's.

                                • vinni9284 on 17/07/2024 - 23:08
                                  +1

                                  @FabMan: IMO peace of mind for me is everything. People pay to have that. But it's up to you. Good luck with your decision

                                • sumyungguy on 17/07/2024 - 23:25
                                  +1

                                  @FabMan: Some of the things I've found them useful for:
                                  - the police requested a clip which helped them timestamp some thieves exchanging merch from a petrol station robbery;
                                  - I engage household workers so I can check the times they arrive and depart (but it's not that I distrust them);
                                  - I can respond to events while I'm away from home, like the time a ducted aircon system got unloaded into my carport when it was supposed to be delivered a few houses away;
                                  - I get notified when parcels arrive and I feel the cameras deter porch pirates;
                                  - the motion sensor(s) can be used to trigger home automations;
                                  - I'm a carer so an indoor camera is setup to do welfare checks;
                                  - I can identify the losers who don't pick up after their dogs;
                                  - they log useful information, much like dashcams & public CCTV.

                                • SlickMick on 19/07/2024 - 14:46

                                  @FabMan: lol that was your starting opinion. Almost every comment has explained the benefits, but you're only reading what you want to read

                                  • FabMan on 19/07/2024 - 15:51
                                    -2

                                    @SlickMick: What practical advice came before that post I made? Feel free to check by time stamps as before that post it seemed like it was mostly theoretical and feel good, not actual practical usage. You do realise how time works, right?

                                    • SlickMick on 20/07/2024 - 13:27
                                      -1

                                      @FabMan: So you retract your comment?

                                      I'm out of negs. I'll try to remember to come back tomorrow.

                                      • FabMan on 20/07/2024 - 14:25
                                        -2

                                        @SlickMick: Retract my comment? It was accurate at the time. Geez, some people like you are a bit thick.

                                        See you tomorrow, snowflake.

    • FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 23:12
      -1

      "Also, classic ozbargain."

      Midnight shifts lead me to tired brain, fixed.

    • Lastchancetosee on 18/07/2024 - 09:01

      Ha. It went on so long unchecked, I was wondering if there was some kind of weird spelling concensus I didn’t know about.

    • FabMan on 19/07/2024 - 17:54
      -2

      Snowflake?

  • 0FoxGiven on 17/07/2024 - 16:45
    +2

    Personally I would invest in quality security doors over cameras. As for a camera being a deterrent, I'd just put 1 or 2 dummy cameras in very visible locations in front of the house

    • Cyphar on 17/07/2024 - 16:59
      +2

      Yep I agree but renters can't afford this luxury when landlords refuse, however they can install wireless cameras/doorbells which provides them some form of security, at least. My tenants were shocked when I said yes to their request for me getting a security door for the place. Apparently they had asked for one at their last 3 properties and each time it was denied.

    • Darude Sandstorm on 17/07/2024 - 17:41

      Dummy cameras kinda suck tho, as soon as you're next to it you know it's not real.

  • JimmyF on 17/07/2024 - 17:02
    +8

    So what benefit does it actually bring or is it just for piece of mind?

    Piece of mind, seeing who is at the door before you answer it, seeing what happened is also handy for those 24/7 cameras.

    Watching your neighbour do the dirty on her FIFO husband while he is away.

    You know, all the normal things.

    • geekcohen on 17/07/2024 - 17:26
      +9

      Watching your neighbour do the dirty on her FIFO husband while he is away.

      What a thread that was.

    • Naigrabzo on 17/07/2024 - 19:15
      +1

      LOVE the FIFO comment.

  • JIMB0 on 17/07/2024 - 17:48
    +3

    Get one that alerts you to someone snooping around outside your house. That way you can go out and greet them with your baseball bat. Make sure to delete the recordings afterwards.

  • zathras on 17/07/2024 - 17:54

    Just because a burglar wears a mask and a black jumper, doesn't necessarily means it will cover all their identifying tattoos.
    I know a guy who got burgled twice in quick succession by the same guy. Second time there were cameras (on a UPS) that allowed the cops to identify the criminal from his tatts that weren't covered.

    • Smilence03 on 19/07/2024 - 11:26

      did the guy get his stolen stuff back? or it was never going to happen anyway?

      • zathras on 22/07/2024 - 13:16
        +1

        I recall he did get some of his stuff back from the second burglary.
        The criminal was actually one of his neighbours.
        The rest of his gear was replaced under insurance.

  • sumyungguy on 17/07/2024 - 17:55
    +1

    I get peace of mind. But if you're timing is perfect you could speak to your intruders remotely and give them a piece of your mind. In my 'hood they're an arguably proven visual deterrent.

  • ForkSnorter on 17/07/2024 - 18:02
    +2

    Someone told me that if you don't want anything stolen, you should paint everything in your house with fresh dog poo. Then put a big sign outside your house that says, "Everything in this house is coated in fresh dog poo". Apparently this strategy has a 100% success rate.

  • dixy on 17/07/2024 - 18:05

    What would be expected cost to getting professionally wiring and installation done for 8 cameras if I provide the nvr in SE Melbourne.
    Asking for a friend :)

    • Naigrabzo on 17/07/2024 - 19:14
      -1

      6k plus GST + covid tax 20%.

  • billy3000 on 17/07/2024 - 19:15

    Excellent for telling off my dogs!

  • Baghern on 17/07/2024 - 20:11

    Think about it if you were theif/robber… why take that extra risk, when the house next door doesnt have cameras

    Its like cars in the old days, criminals when interviewed said the same thing, yeah its easy to dismantle, but why take that extra effort. Same with alarm systems, it might be a fake red led indicating an alarm…. whty take that risk

    • JIMB0 on 17/07/2024 - 20:19
      +5

      The house with cameras has better stuff. The one with no camera and an old Camry out front isn't worth the effort.

  • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 17/07/2024 - 20:46
    +1

    Pro - you'll get some amazing footage of unidentifiable people in black hoodies breaking in
    Con - money you spent on cameras could have been spent on better locks and security so they couldn't break it

    • FabMan on 17/07/2024 - 22:17
      -1

      This is what I suspect.

    • [Deactivated] on 17/07/2024 - 22:42

      @Typical16-bitEnjoyer - It depends who you work for, I have resources available to me at work that could allow me to access and obtain general public camera footage beyond the private property footage from the premise where I live. Also having worked for a military surplus retailer I could probably identify from certain characteristics the type and brand of the mask/balaclava that was worn too, which would help in narrowing down where they were purchased from.

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