So my Series 8 (WAW28460AU) has just died (drum shaft fault) after 8 years.
Looking at replacing it with the following options:
Bosch Series 8 - 9kg (German made) - WGG24401AU - $1340 on appliances online.
Bosch Series 6 - 10kg (Chinese made) - WGA244U0 - $980
Which model would be best and has anyone had experience with either of these ?
Would the German made machine use Chinese parts still?
Are there any other manufacturers I should look at ?
Thanks!
Das is good ja?
Dat gut machine died, gestorben, jaja
Ja, Kaputt !
German made Miele.
I recently replaced my WAW28460AU with WGG244A0AU bought from Appliances Online, they didnt have WGG24401AU available at the time but the models are almost identical, the one I got has a couple of extra cycle options and automatic detergent dosing. It runs quieter than the one I had previously, I am happy with it but the Allergy wash cycle that we use regularly takes alot longer (2h 45) and the option to automatically add extra rinse to any cycle is removed. Now have to select rinse cycle manually on the dial. We also bought from Appliances Online as they had stock for next day delivery. They were great, installed it and took the old one away.
Surely that allergy cycle is having a lend.
What price did you pay mate ?
It was $1626 at the time a couple of months ago, including delivery on a Saturday and installation.
Thanks mate. I’m looking at this one too. Was the iDos worth the extra ? Also do you think 9kg is big enough with two kids ?
@punkel: If the non- Idos model had been available I would have chosen that, it isn't a feature that really makes much difference and is just another thing that might fail in the future. But if it does fail, it is still possible to add the dose manually anyway. Idos only works with liquid detergent. 9kg is big enough, we have two boys, been happy with what we can fit in the drum without overloading.
Nearly all modern white goods, outside of warranty, become false economy to repair.
Just buy the Chinese unit and save your money.
I watch YouTube videos and sometimes the repair is simple. People pick up abandoned ones off the street, replace a belt or unclog it and it runs just fine. But I guess you need the years of experience to make knowing what to do be simple.
Our 2016 dishwasher failed recently. Error 4 flood warning. Pulled it out (the dishwasher that is), removed the sides and replumbed it through the cupboard doors to run it through its cycles. Sure enough the problem was obvious. There was a leak on the drain pump with a deteriorated O ring. The O ring was $32 + $10 del from an Australian parts place or a whole new (same brand) pump and O ring for $17 delivered from AliExpress. New pump and ring delivered in just over a week and she's up and running like a trooper again. That week of hand washing was pretty annoying though.
$32 + $10 delivery for an O-ring is beyond a joke. Can't believe how much we get ripped off.
i just picked up a 10 kg kogan washer and dryer (2in1 machine) off the nature strip this evening on the way home.
the machine has lost the front wire band that holds the seal to the frame. I put a samsung one on but that is slighty too large and the seal leaks a very slight amount. i have a spare band in the shed that should work and maybe fix the slight leak - the shed - a job for daylight
if not then I'll add some washers to the door lock on the inner side of the front panel. that will "pull" the door tighter when shut and hopefully fix the small leak.
If that's all that's wrong with the unit, nice score.
I've seen (new) replacement door seal wires for various machines sell for ~$20.
@ssfps: yeah, it was just the wire. that's all it needed - i had a spare in the shed as I use to repair front loaders.
it's running perfectly.
my current machine is Haier front loader that was basically new and dumped outside a recent new build (6 months old) around the corner . the only issue with it was that the inlet hose that was crimped. i kid you not.
5 years later and still going strong
I can diagnose many common faults with washers but it's still not worth the time and effort to fix them generally. They're built to fall apart and are less repairable now - more to fail, less serviceable parts. Trying to successfully replace worn bearings in a front loader is as much luck as skill, or you can buy a whole new drum assembly for 70% of the cost of a new machine!
I haven't seen a belt in a machine in ages, maybe top loaders still use them?
That’s exactly why I need to buy a new machine now. I was quoted $1100 to fix the drum
@punkel: All modern appliances have less moving parts because owners demand quieter machines and want flashing lights and beeps on button presses. Well that means expensive logic boards and parts. Labour and call out fees added on top mean the white good is off to the local transfer station for recycling and not repairing.
Cut out the German middle man and buy a Chinese brand.
That makes Hisense. Cheers
Quality made Chinese appliances cost as much as their Euro/Japanese made counterparts.
I've come full circle.
I went from a preference of made in Japan, Germany, or Holland to buying Chinese made. Then got sick of so much of it being rubbish to now being very selective of Chinese brands and when I can made in Japan or Germany. I know most of those Japan/German made goods are just assembled in those countries with Chinese manufactured parts but the big difference is quality control.
I avoid, will never again buy appliances made in Thailand or Turkey even if it's from a reputable Euro or Japanese brand.
Went from Bosch to LG
better than Samsung.
Which model LG?
Went from Bosch to LG
better than Samsung.
You tried two brands and concluded that they're better than a third brand you didn't try?
As it hasn't set on fire yet?
Indeed I replaced a German made quality one with 2 Korean cheaper ones.
Samsung: Better at making phones and tablets, also got reasonable TV's. Has toploaders that keep passionate firemen happy.
LG: Useless at phones, better Oleds, even their microwaves keep working and their washer is longer lasting.
Samsung: Better at making phones and tablets, also got reasonable TV's. Has toploaders that keep passionate firemen happy.
Be aware of sensationalist reporting and confirmation bias. There were some models that had poor wiring that caused fires over a decade ago that was recalled. That is old news.
Other devices like MacBooks were also catching fire leading to a recall but people only remember the more sensationalist reports.
Companies learn from mistakes like that; what happened a decade ago doesn't really matter today.
You tried two brands and concluded that they're better than a third brand you didn't try?
Don't expect this guy to make any sense.
You should be comparing LG with Bosch then, not with some random other brand.
I know, some stupid randomware maker keeps Apple alive else they had no displays.
LG will forever be Lucky Goldstar to me.
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If only they could test longevity too.
Your local library might even have a digital or print subscription!
Choice tests a machine for a few hours or days. Consumers need to know how it will be months or years later.
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Imagine prof Alan Fels would have given unlimited power to run Choice for free:
We could go to the zoo and feed Gerry's dog……
Choice is hardly better than the American CR.
Our old Bosch had a similar failure, drum separating from the shaft. We happened to have another Bosch, so using that now. If it dies with the same fault, we’ll change brands, but so far okay. Both also gather hard to remove muck on the door seal, and lack drain filters (as far as I’m aware).
Which model Bosch died for you mate ?
Our current model is WAE20262AU (Classic 6.5kg). The dead one is gone, but looked and functioned the same, so either it was the same model or very close. It, and a dryer, were left by previous house owner as they were hard-wired in to get a cheaper tariff, but the washer died about 4 years later. We just happened to already have a same or similar model washer.
Nearly every electrical appliance has Chinese parts, if not wholly made in China.
The difference between brands is the quality of components used, which varies between models and retail markets, even within the same brand. Brands like Bosch that were once reliable have continued to cut costs over the years and the quality of product declines with no easy way to measure it.
However it's easy enough to separate the dependable products by the manufacturers own commitment to support. Look at warranty first, most white goods only have a 1 or 2yr warranty, some like Speed Queen, Maytag or Whirlpool offer 5yr+ warranties (on some models). If you cannot stretch your budget to those, look at LG or Samsung, which are good value and reliably made whitegoods. Asko, Miele are the most reliable but also much more expensive options on the Australian market, however they only have a 2yr warranty so you may end up spending much more on repairs over the long term.
My Australian made washing machine still going strong for 14y, btw, they did employed few german engineers tho. 😅
Our Aussie Fisher and Paykel is going on 24 yrs, used everyday.
Fisher and Paykel are owned by Haier and made in China now.
I think I have the exact same model. Already paid a few hundred to replace the drain pump. If the shaft fails I'll be coming back to this thread…
We thrashed ours - we were at least doing 1 washing load a day.
I have just received our new machine from Appliances Online - WGG24401AU - they have an offer at the moment - $150 VISA Gift Card cashback.
How is the new machine going? I'm thinking of purchasing the WGG24401AU to replace my F&P Washsmart.
Do you know how long the everyday wash is?
why keep repeating "German made"
sir, your German made quality machine has died, would you like another German machine?