I am getting into way too many situations where I wish I could playback a call.
Browsing through the Google Play store and trying a bunch I'm yet to find one that will record calls with clarity and without needing to download additional things to make it work.
Paid or free, please let me know if you have one?
Straw that broke my back was a business reneging on an assurance because they were adamant it was never said.
@txb, I've used this for years.
It just runs in the background, the setting I have means I don't even notice it but all calls are recorded.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.app.autoca…
…and it's free.
Thanks Dave, tried it just now however the recorded call playback does not have my voice or the other person's. Setting and permissions all normal or fully granted.
Oh, sorry to hear.
Mine works with default settings but I recall there were many modifcations you can use to test for different devices.
Maybe you just have to give it access to everything, I recall having to do that. Basically give it access to everything in my phone, as you do.
+1 to Cube
I used it, it's free (or I got the free version) and it works very well….. starts recording when you make a phone call.
Can you set it not record automatically but start if you push a button?
It's built in to Android. When you press record it says "this call is being recorded" to alert the other party so that your recording is not illegal.
so that your recording is not illegal.
You don't need to 'alert' the other party.
It is legal to record as long as you are one of the parties of the call…
Basically this. You can record any conversations you are a 1st party too. You do not need to let the other party know they are being recorded. The only time these recordings become illegal is when they are disseminated to people who have no right to be involved in the conversation.
You are allowed to record a conversation for your own records and to transcribe it to another media (such as writing it down in a word document) and if you believe that your legal rights may or have been infringed upon.
If a company has a warning on their phone line that conversations are recorded, then you are free to record as well.
If you wish to use the recording outside of protecting your own legal interests (ie: on a YouTube video) you must notify the other party that their conversation is being recorded and may be made available to other parties. Then "implied consent" takes over. If they continue to talk after the warning, they have given consent.
In a perfect world it would be legal to record without consent, but next time you're in court, in the real world, can you let us know how you go pleading this in regards to your case, because I'll bet you have buckleys of this holding up without consent from the other party.
@scooba: Then you need to do some reading there then, champ.
This is the advice I received me from the lawyer that does work for us (it came up in a conversation about driving customers cars with dash cams that record audio).
If you are recording a conversation for your own records, to transcribe to another medium, have no intention to share it with other parties and you are doing it to cover your arse legally, then yes, it will 100% stand up in court.
I do not need to let you know that I am recording you if the recording is for my own personal reference and/or is being made to protect my own legal interests.
I’m guessing next you are going to tell you I can’t film you in public isf you stand there yelling “I do not give consent…”, because I got so,e bad news for you about that one as well…
@pegaxs: Believing a lawyer in 2024…I’ve got some bad news for you.
Again, let us all know how you go in court…, champ.
Believing a lawyer in 2024…I’ve got some bad news for you.
A lawyer giving bad legal advice would see their law license revoked if they were found to be giving out legal information that led to a client using that information to commit an offence… So, no, sorry, I dont buy your whole "iT's 2024… i GoT BaD nEwS fOr YoUsE!1!!" Like 2024 makes any difference anyway…
Again, let us all know how you go in court…
Again, I'd be fine. Not a problem IF you stay within the framework of the relevant legislation…
In NSW, it is covered under the Surveillance Devices Act 2007… Part 2, Section 7, subsection 3 (And if you dont trust AUSTLII for some reason, here is the same document from the NSW government website…)
(3) Subsection (1)(b) does not apply to the use of a listening device by a party to a private conversation if—
(a) all of the principal parties to the conversation consent, expressly or impliedly, to the listening device being so used, or
(b) a principal party to the conversation consents to the listening device being so used and the recording of the conversation—
(i) is reasonably necessary for the protection of the lawful interests of that principal party, or
(ii) is not made for the purpose of communicating or publishing the conversation, or a report of the conversation, to persons who are not parties to the conversation.
Or, basically what I said above.
a: Either expressed or implied consent. ie: stating to the other party "I am recording this conversation…" and they continue to talk is "implied consent".
b: The principle party (ie: 1st party, the person directly involved in the conversation) consents AND it is reasonably necessary for the protection of the 1st party participant's "lawful protection" AND it is not made for publication to any other 3rd party…
So now let me guess… "BeLiEvEiNg A LaW iN 2024… i'Ve gOt sOmE bAd NeWs fOr YoUsE!1!!"
So, yeah, I will happily see you in court over this. I don't need YOUR consent to record OUR conversation IF it is being done to protect MY lawful interests AND it is for MY own reference and it NOT for publishing or communications with parties not involved.
I am so sure of this law, I could record you talking to me and then send you a copy of it, and still not get in the shit for it, because I am not publishing or communicating it outside the principle parties involved.
Lawyer harder, champ. Don't give up your day job ;)
@pegaxs: Let me put it this way,
Let’s say you vacuum sealed some dog sh1t in an iPad box and put it in your council clean up pile in front of your house, then a kid finds it, opens the box and somehow gets sick from the dog sh1t you put in there.
The parents could then attempt to subpoena your video and audio footage from your home cameras or the cameras at your work to show you sealing the dog sh1t in the box and then placing it there and then sitting in the garage with your kid watching people dig through your council clean up pile.
But because you don’t want to go on holidays and want to protect your daughter’s identity because you weren’t being a good role model, you won’t consent to that, will you?
Try again…, champ.
@scooba: You just don’t get it, do you. I literally pasted the legislation and posted links to the legislation. The legislation backs up 100% what I stated in my above comments.
If you don’t want to believe the legislation and lawyers, then there isn’t much more I can do for you. I have provided the actual legislation and yet here you are still trying to convince me that it’s still wrong.
As for your example, I don’t know what the (fropanity) you are on about. That has nothing to do with recording conversations. Video recordings and audio recordings are very different when it comes to what you can and can’t record.
Added to this, a subpoena is another kettle of fish again. If I was served a legal document asking me to hand over any video footage, I would hand it to my lawyer and get them to respond. If there is a court order and a search warrant issued, I would have no problem complying on the advice from my legal representation…
And holy shit, talk about holding grudge, you dredged that nugget up from what, 3 or 4 years ago? edit; it was 5 1/2 years ago… lol… Why are you so personally invested in that story? Were you the bin scab that picked it up? Lol. Good. Karma is a bitch. 😂🤣
So, again, you are wrong and your example is irrelevant. I just thank god that you are not a lawyer.
Cry harder.
@pegaxs: No you don’t get it pal, you go ahead and keep posting diatribes while the rest of us wait until you go to court to see if you got great legal advice.
Going off the length of your posts it seems like you’re crying pretty hard right now and yes, I’ve got a good memory for some stupid thing you said a few years back.
Isn’t that great that you that you own it by saying “was I the bin scab that picked it up”. Again, sounds like you were being a really sh1tty parental role model and I guess you’ll illustrate what not to do which is some consolation at least.
Annnywayyy, I was making a point about consent but you failed to to see what tree I was barking up even when I said “you won’t consent” to incriminating video/audio footage of you being used in court, but I think you’re missing it because the angle I’m coming from puts you in the position of the perpetrator trying to keep himself out of trouble.
No probs sport, we don’t have to continue, that way you don’t incriminate yourself.
@scooba: I am not a lawyer, and it was not "legal advice"… I just pointed out the relevant legislation. Hell, I even linked to it. This is from the horses mouth. I didn't make this shit up. You can go read it for yourself.
From all the butthurt I am sensing from you, it appears that you have been on the receiving end of a legal voice recording that was tendered as court evidence and consequently cost you some measure of damages.
I was making a point about consent but you failed to to see…
No, you were not. I "failed" to see it because there was no "point" about "consent". A "subpoena" is not "asking for consent" it is a "directive" or "order" to do something. Two very different things. (Got a feeling you dont ask for "consent" much… so I can understand your confusion…)
even when I said “you won’t consent” to incriminating video/audio footage of you being used in court
Again, for the hard or learning… a "subpoena" is NOT "asking for consent". It is making a court ordered "demand". If I was served with a subpoena, I would hand it to my legal representative and ask them what I should do. If they said "you will need to hand over the video footage" then that is what I would do. The court is not asking for my "consent" in this matter, but making an "order" that I do something.
You seem to be very confused about the difference between an "order" and "consent".
puts you in the position of the perpetrator trying to keep himself out of trouble.
The perpetrator in this situation is the person thieving items from front yards. I would happily share the video footage with my local council to have this bin scab identified and charged with theft.
You see, the problem here is that the "bin scab" did not ask for my "consent" to remove the box. Had they have come to my door and "asked" me if they could have it, I would have told them about the box being used to dispose of dog faeces. The thing is here, they did not ask for my "consent" to remove the iPad box, and thus, paid the price of Karma.
That is a lesson on "consent" from this example. Subpoena =/= consent. Thieving =/= consent.
Why do I get this feeling that there are a lot of things in this life you don't ask "consent" for…
that way you don’t incriminate yourself.
Incriminate myself for what? I disposed of rubbish on hard rubbish day. I am pretty sure I had no further use for a box full of dog shit, so it was thrown out as rubbish. I did not "consent" to anyone, other than the appropriate council representative garbage removal service, to take it away.
My god, I cant believe you waited 5 and a half years for this "gotcha" moment on me and it has backfired in your face. Yikes!
we don’t have to continue
Oh, no, please do. This is like shooting fish in a barrel for me. :)
@pegaxs: Well from that last diatribe it easy to see that you really are butthurt and are crying so hard that you have to itemise your post by breaking down my reply, either that or you're exceptionally bored and are entertained by this kind of crap.
I like how you conveniently left out the part about being a sh1tty parental role model by vacuum sealing dog shit in an iPad box and sitting with your kid in the garage waiting for bin scabs to get it out of your council clean up pile……, perfect (chefs kiss).
By all means, keep making up hypothetical situations and latch onto who has consent and what is the difference between subpoenas and keep trying to skool me, but we all know you wouldn't give it up, in the real world.
I know they just found carcinogenic properties in the water across New South Wales, but what the hell are they putting in the water in Newy?
Jesus f***ing Christ🙄.
crying so hard that you have to itemise your post by breaking down my reply,
Just makes it easier to reference your bullshit :) That, and people who have been made a fool of tend to start deleting their accounts and posts… So this serves are a permanent reminder… a "recording" if you will. :D
either that or you're exceptionally bored and are entertained by this kind of crap.
Mostly this. I enjoy making people look like fools when they espouse bullshit and then decide to double down instead of saying "well, you know what, today I learned something…"
I like how you conveniently left out the part about being a sh1tty parental role model
A: It's not relevant to the original topic (legally recording conversations). This is called a "straw man". You are injecting an irrelevant topic and then attacking that.
B: It isn't shitty parenting. I am showing my child that if they go around stealing other people's stuff, that Karma will catch up with them eventually and teach them a lesson that stealing is bad. You know what is bad parenting?? Gifting your kid stolen iPad boxes full of dogshit… that you stole… from a pile of rubbish… :D
keep making up hypothetical situations…
You're the one making up "hypothetical situations…" Taking the box home and some kid getting sick and then being subpoenaed for video footage… Grow up. Please find me a law that says I am not allowed to dispose of a box that I used to scrape up dogshit and place it out for garbage collection, leading to me going to court and being subpoenaed… please… What would be the charge? (and I still cant believe that you sat, stewing on this for 5 and a half years… lol!)
latch onto who has consent and what is the difference between subpoenas and keep trying to skool me
You obviously don't understand "consent" nor subpoenas, nor the difference between a request and a court ordered demand… and as for "skooling" you, I can only lead a horse to water…
but we all know you wouldn't give it up
Incorrect. A "subpoena" is a court ordered "demand". It isn't a question, ergo there is no "consent" being sought here. I either hand it over or face the wrath of the court. You see, I, unlike you, understand the difference between a "question" and a court ordered "demand". If a court "ordered" me to hand over the video footage, as I said, I would have my lawyer deal with it, and if they deemed I neded to hand over the video footage, I would have no issue with it… Now, if I was just "asked" for it… no. Come see me when you have a "court order" (aka: demand")… ;)
I know they just found carcinogenic properties in the water across New South Wales
Oh, I can tell… Lots of cookers have been sipping on it…
what the hell are they putting in the water in Newy?
Don't know. Not on "Newy water" where I am. I have tank water that is filled with nothing but the tears of bin scabs opening boxes of dog shit thinking they got a free iPad and people I have made look like idiots on the internet… At this rate, I might have to put on a 2nd tank… :D
Anyway… did you have anything further to add to your original erroneous statements or are you just going to go on another logical fallacy journey with made up stories? I am happy to engage with you further, but it will only about the original topic, and that was, the legality of recording conversations… Anything outside of that, I will be ignoring.
@pegaxs: "It's not relevant to the original topic"
"It isn't sh1tty parenting"
"I will be ignoring"
Off your knees boy, biggest mistake you made was killing your conscience.
Thanks for playing.
Sleep tight lol.
I am happy to engage with you further, but it will only about the original topic
Clear conscience here, champ. I know what the law is, and I operate within it…
So, after all your pointless yammering, you still cant tell me why I am wrong. What part of what I posted is incorrect, why is it incorrect and can you please link to the relevant legislation that points out that the information I put forward, was wrong?
@pegaxs: "Pointless yammering"
Yeah, you certainly do a ton of that, not to mention making up fake scenarios of me in court.
I don't know if you've ever heard this, but a bad father is better than no father at all, or maybe you have?
Now start doing CPR on what's left of that conscience of yours so that you might escape this exchange with some integrity intact, even though I'm not expecting either of those things to be to high on your list of important attributes.
Have a nice weekend…,champ.
not to mention making up fake scenarios of me in court.
Dude, you are the one that mentioned court and made up fake scenarios about kids getting sick and me being subpoenaed… 🤣😂
Again, my conscience is clear. I know the law and I have read (and posted a reference to) the relevant legislation. The only one losing integrity is the one refusing to acknowledge that under the law, there are times that you are allowed to record a conversation. My cards are all out there. You are yet to bring up one shred of evidence that what I am saying is wrong… the only one with no integrity, is you, especially since you have held onto some misguided butt hurt over a comment I made 5 and a half years ago, and thought that now was a good thread to go with some “gotcha” move that has blown up in your face.
And you know what’s better than a bad father? A good father. One that knows the law and teaches their kids right from wrong and that stealing property from others is bad.
Anyway, I look forward to you making more logical fallacies and trying to spin what you said into something I said and totally avoiding the topic at hand… Find me a source for your bullshit that states that what I said was wrong… or not, because you can’t…
@pegaxs: Oh man, this is great, you're now linking to my old posts.
You don't have a conscience pal as you were silly enough to post such wonderful parental pastime on OzBargain and yes I bet you would be hurt about a 5 and half year old comment…if you had a any sort of conscience or dignity, alas there are plenty of soul less humans out there now.
If you're silly enough to think this is a gotcha move, boy o boy I was wrong about you. Just like the time you were trying to get a truckie to move out of the way of the charging bays when you were trying to charge your chinese electric car, at least now I know why the truckie wouldnt move for you😂.
You don't know what the father analogy means lol and no, a good father would show his daughter an iPad box full of dog sh1t and say "now we'll tech the bin scabs a lesson darlin' " in his best bogan voice. You have no shame pal, which is what's both hilarious and wrong with people in the world these days, but you already knew that…or did you? I pity some of the children of this world as thier parents should've never copulated🙄.
Talk about ignoring the topic hey, you're quoting "legislation" and have no real world experiece that proves otherwise. You should go into politics if you want to keep quoting bullsh1t laws that a judge can overrule in a second on a case by case basis.
3 points to you.
I await your early reply.
@scooba: 1st paragraph, off topic.
2nd paragraph, off topic.
3rd paragraph, off topic.
4th paragraph, finally…
you're quoting "legislation" and have no real world experiece that proves otherwise.
Because the legislation IS the law. I don’t need to go to court, because I can look up the legislation on the NSW government website. Numerous lawyer websites also say the same as what I said, I am sure they have “real world” experience.
You should go into politics if you want to keep quoting bullsh1t laws
What? I didn’t make them up. The link is to the NSW government website. Are you suggesting that the NSW government is posting bullshit laws? Got a link to where the actual laws are?
that a judge can overrule in a second on a case by case basis.
Lol, yeah, ok champ… a judge can just ignore laws they don’t like or don’t want to apply. Doesn’t seem very “impartial” of them to pick and choose. Judges are there to apply the law as it is written, not to arbitrarily pick and choose what laws to apply and what ones to ignore.
Anyway, please cite your source that the laws are “bullshit” and that judges can arbitrarily apply what laws they want and dismiss ones they don’t like.
InB4 you quote some dumb arse Article 13.6.8(q) of the International Seafarer’s Almanac c.1863 sovereign citizen garbage.
You really need to get off the “cooker” websites. That shit will rot your brain.
@pegaxs: Yeah you've got zero comeback to bad parenting don't you, and all you can do in defence is say "off topic" lol.
When did you think it was a good idea to type that wonderful example of parenting online? I'm starting to think it was bullsh1t but now you've got to own it because backpedaling will just make you look worse.
Sounds like you've got zero integrity, are poor excuse of a parent and should have your internetz licence revoked.
How we've fallen so far……what a tragedy…
"becauze der legizlationzzz iz der lawzzz!!!"
Oh dear, and you think I'VE got to get off the cooker websites, now I know why Newy is such a sh1thole lol.
Try again….champ.
@scooba: Point 1: off topic. Asked and answered already.
Point 2: off topic. Again, asked and answered already.
Point 3: off topic. Once again, asked and answered already.
Point 4: off topic. Lastly, asked and answered already.
Point 5: finally…
"becauze der legizlationzzz iz der lawzzz!!!".
Because it is. Legislation is law. It’s a legal framework used by courts and the justice system. I don’t get what is so hard to understand about that.
The “law” around recording personal conversation in NSW states that you can record a conversation in NSW, providing you are a “principle participant”, that it is done to protect your “lawful interests” and that it is not to be used to disseminate to third parties.
You keep saying I am wrong, but you fail to cite any source for your nonsense. Please, find me something, anything, that says differently, that is law. Find a law, or rule, or legislation, or act or statute or ANY legal device that says you cannot record “AT ALL”. Or, if “aLL laWs iS BuLLsH1t” then find me a legal source that states I am wrong, that isn’t a cooker manifesto referencing some weird maritime sovereign citizen garbage.
You can’t just keep saying “yOr WrOnG!1!” and then provide no proof or counter source. I’ve provided my source, where is yours?
Which phones/models have it enabled for any region (including Australia)?
get an iphone
TLTR; Google has pulled it and doesn't allow apps to record both sides of the phone call any more. I now use a Samsung and changed the CSC to a region to one where call recording is allowed. (my phone now records calls automatically and natively).
I've done a huge as dive into this very same topic of trying to record calls. Here's what I found.
I used to have an old Xiaomi or something like that where updates were no longer supported. It was also an overseas model. It had native call recordings that worked great.
I changed phones and the native call recording no longer existed (perhaps because it was now an Australian model).
I used Cube ACR or automatic call recorder for a long time and that worked great. Until there was a new policy from Google that didn't allow apps to do that anymore. You can enable some disability option but that only allows recording of your own voice.
You can root the phone and that would allow you to record both sides of the call, but some banking apps may not be happy.
I ended up getting a Samsung and using a program on the computer to change the region (CSC) of it to Thailand or whatever. That enabled native call recording right from the phone/calling app. [Even another phone should be fine as long as you can change the CSC region… I tried on my dad's Oppo but nothing could change the CSC]
Goodluck!
How do you change the CSC? And no rooting required?
Is there any side effects/drawbacks by changing the CSC to Thailand (or others)?
Here's a link to a video tutorial of the software: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e2DbpGOMMI
You should do some research on the pros and cons of changing CSC. But yes, you can both gain and lose features depending on which region you change to.
I use Call recorder by Skvalex. Works great on my Xiaomi mi 11 ultra.
Do you have to start every conversation with this call will be recorded for "coaching and training puposes"?
Yeah, none of the apps suggested worked for me. Playing any recording is just silence
I have a Moto G54 with the default Google Dialer . There is an option for call recording and I have used it several times. The record option becomes available during a call, when you press it, it will alert both parties that the call is being recorded. Upon playback, you will hear the entire conversation (voices of both parties).
We need a good option that does not alert both parties.
I use the Automatic Call Recorder app
http://apps.samsung.com/appquery/appDetail.as?appId=com.apps…
Works perfectly on s23 uklra and also does on a54 and s23fe
Never had a problem recording both sides
What kind of situations?