Sold! - VIC - Selling a Car without Roadworthy

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  geekcohen on 21/05/2024 - 16:17

  +4

  You sell it with No Rego, No Roadworthy.

  Since you need a roadworthy to transfer the rego, it comes with No Rego. Then it is up to the buyer on what they do next. When the buyer picks it up, you cancel the rego and they will need a permit to drive it (unless it goes onto a trailer/truck).

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    sumyungguy on 21/05/2024 - 16:25

    +3

    Yep, and list fee-free on FB Marketplace not Carsales.

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    Sinnerator on 22/05/2024 - 08:26

    +1

    if the buyer is local you can drive the car to their place registered, sell it, leave it there, and then take the plates with you and deregister the vehicle

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    [Deactivated] on 31/05/2024 - 02:29

    -1

    Not true, you can transfer the rego without a RWC to someone with a Victorian License and Address. You can literally log in to MyVicroads and do it on the spot (processes next day or 2)

    It's technically suppose to be against the legislation to do a forced transfer, but VicRoads have allowed it for atleast 10 years and it's now baked into the online system

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    geekcohen on 31/05/2024 - 05:55

    More is available at https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/buy-sell-or-tra… if anyone wants a read.

    Private to private requires a RWC.

    Others are except, but I guess you probably need to prove those.

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  pharkurnell on 21/05/2024 - 16:30

  Victoria roadworthy certificate regulations

  According to VicRoads and their guidelines on roadworthiness, you are allowed to go about privately selling a car without a roadworthy certificate. However, you must sell the car without number plates (which must be returned to VicRoads before the sale.) This means you will be suspending the registration. If you plan to sell a registered car, it must be sold to the new owner with a roadworthy certificate.

  The only time you are exempt from obtaining a roadworthy certificate for a registered vehicle is if the vehicle is not designed to carry passengers or goods, and is instead a specially constructed vehicle. In this case, no safety inspections are needed.

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  Brick50 on 21/05/2024 - 16:43

  +8

  You don't need a rwc to transfer the rego OP, please only listen to people who have transferred a car in the last couple of years. You can log into your Vicroads account and transfer the vehicle out of your name instantly.

  Put in sale price, time and date of sale, buyers surname and licence number.
  Then they will transfer it to the buyer and it is them who must fulfill the requirements of providing the RWC, stamp duty and transfer fee. The seller is never asked for the RWC at any point.

  I've sold a couple of cars this way and currently have a car in my possession that was transferred to me this way, I am yet to provide the rwc as the engine is currently getting built but it is very much in my name and listed under my VicRoads account. I have since received a letter asking me to provide a rwc, and advising the rego will be suspended if I do not in a certain timeframe.

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    rkdreddy on 29/05/2024 - 14:17

    Thank you. I managed to sell without RWC.

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  kekw on 21/05/2024 - 17:19

  -1

  Or bring it to a mechanic who will pass your inspection *wink

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    MS Paint on 21/05/2024 - 17:25

    +3

    Pretty rare these days. They have to film the inspection (I believe) and it could be audited.

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      Ocker on 21/05/2024 - 18:32

      Correct, they send digital images (also the speedo) to VicRoads

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  MS Paint on 21/05/2024 - 17:25

  +1

  listed items totaling to $1500 for it to pass.

  What portion of that is labour?

  The parts prices will have a mechanic tax on top as well.

  You can source the parts and do them yourself if you're handy and then just get it reinspected within 14 days.

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  cloudy on 21/05/2024 - 17:54

  Has anyone ever thought how rigged the system is.

  You never ask a barber if you need a haircut, so why are people forced to ask a mechanic if it needs work done?

  If roadworthy is necessary vicroads should charge a fee for the service and be the monopoly service provider and if something needs fixing the car can be taken to mechanic with the list of issues.

  But at the moment, the mechanic that failed the RWC now can make more money fixing said “issues”.

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    brad1-8tsi on 22/05/2024 - 17:21

    It's not compulsory to have the car fixed by the workshop that did the inspection. You can DIY or go to another workshop. Most people are too lazy to do so.

    I don't understand the barber analogy

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      cloudy on 23/05/2024 - 06:36

      -1

      If you don’t understand the analogy there’s no point explaining it.

      To not understand the human incentive is not something that can be easily taught. Sorry.

      And you clearly looking at this from the wrong direction, need to put on some different shoes

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        brad1-8tsi on 24/05/2024 - 10:06

        I was trying to be polite but it's an analogy without logic.

        There's no law that says you have to go to the barber and get your hair inspected in accordance with a set of standards.
        A roadworthy is compulsory and there are a set of standards that have to be met in order to pass.

        I'm sorry I had to point out the flaws in your thought process. Have a good weekend.

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          cloudy on 24/05/2024 - 21:35

          @brad1-8tsi: There is no requirement for a spare
          wheel to be carried on a vehicle and
          the standards for registration exclude
          wheels not normally used in service
          from any requirements. However,
          where a spare wheel is carried it must
          be securely retained in or on the
          vehicle.

          Here is a except.
          This set of standard is already arbitrary, it doesn't measure what defines securely retained. It also ironic there is more rigor for a missing feature than a car with no feature at all.

          I can go on for a long list of arbitrary standards listed on vic roads where the mechanic has full discretion to pass or say, dude, you need to fix this, lead to a extra sales of services.

          sorry for being so illogical in reply, hope it doesn't hurt.

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    rkdreddy on 29/05/2024 - 14:34

    Can't say if the system is rigged, but it is certainly favoring the mechanic as many of the checks are at their discretion.

    If I took the car to 5 different mechanics, each of them will find different things to fix which is where it feels it is open for exploitation. Also, it would cost me money for each assessment.

    Particularly for rwc, any mechanic's word should be taken with a huge pinch of salt, I think.

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      Euphemistic on 29/05/2024 - 16:00

      If I took the car to 5 different mechanics, each of them will find different things to fix which is where it feels it is open for exploitation

      Whike this has an element of truth to it, i feel its an exaggeration. Overall mechanics will check the same things according to the RWC. Some things will be a little open to opinion like wether suspension components have too much play. Some mechnics will err towards replacement while others may suggest itll last for a while longer. Overall though, theyre checking the same things and shouldnt be that different in end result. After all, the vehicle is either roadworthy according to standards or its not.

      Yes, its open to exploitation, but end of the day theyre still running a business and woukd likely want to keep that business running. They cant keep ripping off people on RWC stuff because itll come back to haunt them. Its a reason to build a relationshop with a local mechnic rather than always going to a big chain where its not about repeat business.

      An unfortunate side effect of the Victorian RWC system is that cars arent seen regularly, so mechanics may err on the side of caution while in NSW when its an annual inspection they may leave an item knowing itll last until next year.

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        cloudy on 29/05/2024 - 21:42

        Some mechnics will err towards replacement while others may suggest itll last for a while longer.

        This is the definition of discretion. Which is why, the gatekeeper of the process (RWC checker) shouldn't also be financially incentivized to find faults.

        To suggest businesses don't make decisions to make profit as it will come back to haunt them is pretty idealistic, watch some news or 4corners, royal commissions, read some books on cover ups and you'll find plenty of businesses who go to much worse lengths for a buck. Let alone, legitimate, discretionary "faults".

        To be clear, mechanics that find these faults are not lairs, or scums, but the system allows them to make money just cause they can. Which is why it's wrong, this is about appropriate worthiness of a car, hence independance should be paramount.

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          Euphemistic on 30/05/2024 - 06:43

          @cloudy:

          To be clear, mechanics that find these faults are not lairs, or scums, but the system allows them to make money just cause they can. Which is why it's wrong, this is about appropriate worthiness of a car, hence independance should be paramount.

          You are not required to have that mechanic repair what they find and of course they are going to err on the side of profits.

          It seems that a roadworthy that isnt annual can also be a shock for people who dont know cars or have them serviced regularly. Suddenly my car needs $5k worth of repairs sounds like someone who changes oil DIY and doesn't check anything else and can't hear the horrible noises it makes.

          servicing regularly doesnt mean taking it to the cheapest oil change place you can find. Have a regular mechanic that will know the condition of the car and can warn if theres anything wrong coming up. If you give your car a once over before you take it in, or have it serviced regualrly youll be less shocked at what needs doing.

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  Ocker on 21/05/2024 - 18:34

  So if you go to the doctor to get and ailment diagnosed you expect the visit to be at no cost?

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  barge-in hunter on 22/05/2024 - 09:48

  +4

  I just sold a registered vehicle without a roadworthy. The Vicroads app made it super easy:

  Once logged in, fill out the 'transfer of registration notice' online. Like other people have said, you'll need the purchasers license number and name. At no point does it request RWC details, or state you need one.

  The recipient receives a notification, logs in, 'accepts the transfer' (and all the conditions about presenting a RWC within either 14 or 30 days) and done!

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    rkdreddy on 29/05/2024 - 14:18

    +2

    Thank you. I managed to sell without rwc.

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  lgacb08 on 29/05/2024 - 16:53

  RWC in vic is a scam pretty much. I my years of buying and selling I've seen vehicles failed for the countless ridiculous excuses enough to make a movie out of them then mechanics charge arms and leg to pass that. You'd be lucky to have a 5+ years old car passing first go with less than $500 in fixing so make sure you account for that when doing transaction.