Hi guys,
I'm looking to build a pc that can serve as a every-day pc + some light gaming.
I got Intel CPU Core i5 3570K - LGA 1155 in mind ( it has built in graphic n not power hungry )
i don't need GPU, HDD, dvd atm.
How many ram do i need ? 4 or 8 ? i do need a 62 or so SSD just to store a square window.
I need a cheapest win7-64bit :).
PS: I'd happily go AMD but since bulldozer so disappointed … me atm.
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
yeah need a cheapest ssd to store window, that's all. Where should i get these component? Centrecom or pccg or else ?
hi frewer.
good luck building a computer. i recently built mine. most of the parts I bought from MSY.
i see they have stores in VIC - not sure how far from you they are but there are a few.
they always seem to have a competitive prices as well.
I went with 8gb ram. what do you intend on using this computer for?
If you are getting Core i5 3570K, does that mean you want to overclock? The "K" series are meant for overclocking.
If you do overclock, you ideally should have 1600mhz RAM (not the 1333mhz variety) and an aftermarket heatsink (Ivy Bridge runs hotter than Sandy Bridge due to it's not-as-efficient thermal solution)
If you don't overclock, or if you don't know how to, just get the vanilla 3570. However stick with the higher speed memory because it helps to boost the performance of the HD4000 graphics.
Motherboard — Asrock B75 Pro3-M (ordinary budget) or Z77 Extreme4 (for overclocking)
Heatsink optional - Coolermaster Hyper Tx3 Evo
SSD - Liteon 256GB SSD (note this will be an MSATA drive) OR get Sandisk 256GB from MSY.
RAM - Kingston HyperX 8GB Kit 1600mhz
Case and power supply — grab the Thermaltake V4 case with 450w power supply bundle from MSY for $75.
The i5 3570K has HD4000 graphics, the vanilla i5 3570 has the inferior HD2500 graphics
Intel Core i5 3570 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Quad Core including fan, heatsink and thermal paste.
In stock $209.00
ASRock B75M-DGS Motherboard
2 x DDR3, 1 x PCI-E3.0 x 16, 1 x SATA3, 4 x USB3.0, 5.1CH AUDIO, D-Sub, DVI-D, Gigabit LAN
SSD goes in the Sata3 port.
In stock $60.00
G.Skill Ares F3-1866C9D-8GAB 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1866mhz for onboard graphics speed increase over 1333/1600mhz
In stock $55.00
Samsung 830 Series 128GB SSD Retail Box (Windows drive) Cheaper SSD's use cheaper slower flash memory and this Samsung isnt one of those.
In stock $99.00
Antec VP550P 550W Power Supply 550w is AMPLE for your needs, more than enough even if you add a dedicated gfx card.
In stock $65.00
BitFenix Merc Alpha Mid Tower Case MSY may not have this, but have many alternatives.
In stock $49.00
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit with SP1 OEM
In stock $95.00
Sub-Total: $632.00
Prices are from www.pccasegear.com
Prices will be slightly cheaper at msy.com.au
Is the onboard graphics on the 3570 even sufficient for light gaming :/
When i had mine before recieveing my gpu. Playing diablo 3 was almost unplayable on lowest graphics. Constant freeze when monsters came or even casting spells. Diablo 3 isnt even that demanding either. So im not to sure how this build will work without a dedicated gpu and the 3570k.
I think youd also want a reliable hdd working with a sdd to.
I think i will go will i5 3570k it's only $20 more but the performance much better ( according to some reviews ).
My question is: is this a decent mobo that allow to OC http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&c… ?
If i get win7 now, will i eligible for upgrade to win8 at $15 ?
Excuse my English.
If i get win7 now, will i eligible for upgrade to win8 at $15 ?
No, custom built PC's are not elible. This $15 dollar promotion only works for those "off the shelf" retail computers or laptops. You'll have to pay $40 (which still is pretty cheap).
As for overclocking, this MSI motherboard isn't very good at it as far as heavy OC is concerned. The Asrock Z77 Extreme4 is what you'll want if you want a better OC board.
Thanks for this post and the replies. I'm looking at a similar build.
Questions -
Is it worth getting the 3570K without an OC mobo as intended by the OP ? If the 3570K performs better than the 3570 and has better graphics then perhaps it is - but what if you put the difference ($25 at MSY) towards a gpu instead - would the 3570 and gpu combo then be a better then the 3570K ? And if so, what would be the cheapest (nvidia) gpu to put the 3570 ahead ? I'm not a gamer but would like to do some hd video editing in future (honeymoon / home videos etc - ie a couple of one-off projects, nothing ongoing, professional or serious).
What mobo is recommended for i7 3770 - and how would that combination compare in price and performance with the 3570K and an OC mobo for my purposes ?
Thanks
belbo
but what if you put the difference ($25 at MSY) towards a gpu instead
There's nothing decent you can buy for $25, so you might as well buy the more expensive CPU, with a HD4000. And then pair it up with any budget mobo you fancy.
I'm not a gamer but would like to do some hd video editing in future
Yeah, it makes sense if you want to utilize the integrated graphics, but if you want the best integrated graphics, then the Core i5 3570K would be a better choice over the non-K version.
Also, since you're not gaming, why pay more for a graphics card? Just wasted potential and more power usage.
The best bang for buck motherboard is the Asrock Z77 Extreme4 as it offers leeway for overclocking and getting the best out of a K chip.
However if you have no need for overclocking, a cheaper Asrock B75 ($59) will do. It has no impacts on performance when you are running everything at stock speed anyway.
Thanks. I realise you wouldn't get something decent for $25. Was wondering about $60 - $80 cards eg 2G GT 630. But after reading some more some threads suggest that the key with video editing is fast cpu and lots of RAM (and 2 fast hdd's) rather than gpu power. It seems like 3570K and HD4000 plus 16gb RAM plus overclocked would work well. Remaining question is whether an i7 3770 with a non-oc mobo (eg AS Rock B75 Pro 3M - if the 3770 can use that) would be better since it is a similar price (cpu appx $70 more and mobo appx $70 less).
Edit. Thanks again for your post. It looks like I may have replied before you finished editing it. Reading some further posts it seems that the i7 is better than the i5 for video editing because of the HT (apparently HT helps a lot with video editing but doesn't help with gaming). So I should probably spend the extra on the i7 and take a saving on the mobo. Also, then don't need to bother with OC'ing and possible expense of discrete cpu cooler. Looking at WP, the recommended video editing machines are along these lines.
That cpu isnt really for your kind of use. Sounds like you want an integraded cpu that had an inbuilt gpu. Whirlpool is probably your best bet for this type of question as its asked multiple times a day. Theres a section dedicated just on computer builds.
Thanks for the reply. Not sure whether you're referring to the i7 or the i5 not being for my kind of use. The i7 has the HD 4000 integrated. You're right re WP - they have suggested builds, which include the i7 3770 and integrated GPU for video editing.
they have suggested builds, which include the i7 3770 and integrated GPU for video editing.
I would recommend that build if you were a professional editor who needs a computer for frequent CPU intensive tasks, but if you only occasionally use video editing software, I see no point in splashing out $300 for a Core i7.
A mildly overclocked Core i5 would serve your needs at a lower price. I've noted that you said the Z77 Extreme4 was too expensive for your liking, but you can go with a cheaper Z77 based motherboard that still allows a bit of OC.
Example
http://www.msy.com.au/product.jsp?productId=9035
http://www.msy.com.au/product.jsp?productId=9059
I'll probably want to run a linux virutal machine in Windows (or vice versa). Will the i7 be better for this ? I don't really mind spending around $700 in total so could get the i7 (intending to put the machine together myself so avoid the $70 MSY assembly charge).
If you don't mind spending that much, then go for it. I'm not sure whether or not using Virtual machine software will utilize the i7's hyperthreading, but I suppose most modern applications should benefit from it.
you will want to look into whether or not the software you will be using (inside the virtual machine) fully supports hyperthreaded processors. For example, if you're just going to run Office or eTax inside Windows 7 within Linux, then there's not going to be much difference since those apps aren't CPU intensive.
Don't think anyone else has said this, sorry if so. Everyday PC + light gaming, why not AMD A10-5800K? Cheaper and better than HD 4000 for gaming, but would be worse for you video editing/worse CPU. Suppose it depends more on how serious you want to take your editing. Remember seeing somewhere fast RAM helps the gaming performance a reasonable amount (speed not capacity).
Thanks for the useful input guys. @Scrimshaw - Thanks for that. What you're saying makes sense, but I had sort of adjusted to spending the $300 on the CPU and getting the $70 non-OC mobo per the WP recommended configs and buying it all this weekend - part of the thinking is that level of grunt should future-proof me for about 5 yrs or so. What I didn't expect to hear from MSY was that they had no more W7 Home Premium OEM licenses because they had been discontinued and only had Pro available for about $35 more. Anyone had similar experiences? So maybe I should save those $ and go with the i5 and one of the cheaper mobos you recommend - but that results in more homework - ie researching those mobos and their differences vs the 'one everybody recommends' ie the Extreme4. Any quick insights ?
Thanks
belbo
My next pc will have sata3 and I'll raid two 128gb SSD drives together for read/write speeds about 1tb a second !!!
@scrimshaw
Case and power supply — grab the Thermaltake V4 case with 450w power supply bundle from MSY for $75.
Negged your post. Don't lead op into grabbing a sub-par psu, one of the worst choices. If he later on decides to upgrade his GPU then his PSU will most likely die and possible take out other components within the computer. Also thermaltake Lightpowers are horrible, they can't perform near there maximum output. You'd be lucky to get it to push 300w over an extended period of time without it failing.
Everything else looked good. Op i'd be looking into a Corsair 430v2 if you're on a budget.
The only other thing the op shouldn't skimp on is the motherboard, but it looks good anyway.
Thats very exaggerated, only SHAW PSU's etc have been known to cause damage to your computer.
The PSU included with the Thermaltake V4 is an improvement over the old 430W.
Its not a particularly bad PSU for a budget computer, you can upgrade the PSU to a 600W corsair or something when you upgrade the video card.
Also just a note for OP, onboard Intel graphics are pretty bad for most things.
In saying that, I still wouldn't go for a low quality power supply in the first place. I can't comment on whether they don't do damage to your computer, i'm sure you'd have your sources. But in saying that I don't want a PSU that will most likely go in the next few years. You would have seen yourself, low quality psu's often have very large 5v rails and often at highish loads the 12v/ 5v rail(s) will become unstable.
My Thermaltake went after 2 years, for no reason. The ac power for the house went off to, must of been a safety switch. This was an Evo Blue, not one of the lower models (litepower etc.) (the only reason i had a thermaltake was because it was won in a letter of the month competition)
Could have been my bad luck, but usually manufacture faults will arise in the first few months, so I do question the quality of Thermaltake PSU's.
Sure, the psu would probably be fine for what he's getting, but i personally would never recommend getting such a low quality psu. You'd be better off getting a bitfenix shinobi or something similar, and a corsair 430w IMHO.
I wouldn't do it because I have high standards and I'm happy to pay extra, even for my home theatre PC (AMD APU, Corsair PSU, SSD, really nice case)
If you want a cheap PC you have to make sacrifices though, there is a huge jump from a cheap pc to a good quality pc.
Thank you all for your input. i decide will go with this build within 1-2 week time
+ Intel Core i5 3570k LGA 1155 $225( was $233 last week :D ) - centrecom
+ Asrock Z77 Extreme4 $109 ( was $139 last week woa ) - centrecom
+ G.Skill RipjawF3-14900CL9D-8GBXL 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1866mhz for onboard graphics speed increase over 1333/1600mhz $58.00 ( make sure you check the comparable oof the memory + mobo ) [ it's $51 at msy ]
+ SSD i will think about it, 120gb is max i go.
+ http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/212e-20pk-coolermaster-h… after read some good reports about it price $33 - centrecom, msy doesn't have any instock atm.
+ For PSU i need your help !!!
+ Case any cheap one that fix the mobo, otherwise i'll build a wooden case !!! I have some board lying around the house.
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit with SP1 OEM $85 ( was $95.00 last week ) - centrecom.
Total: $520 ( no PSU, SSD, case yet )
Note: I go with centrecom because there is no msy near where i live. Plus they do the price match as well ( according to their policy ).
As some say HD 4000 might not good for certain thing, i'll try it n upgrade later ( as i do plan to get GPU at the end of the year or so ). So if someone can point me to a good PSU that will be neat. I won't cross fire or SLI or get ATI HD 7950 ( unless it's $250 ).
Sorry about those line, as i don't know how to put the link in the text.
Have a great day.
PSU: Antec High Current Gamer 520W: Modular - $99 Non-modular - $83
Or if you want some overclocking headroom:
Silverstone Strider Plus: 600W 750W
Also, I would recommend PC Case Gear as an alternative, as they have a great reputation and are very reliable. Shipping would be extra, though.
As for the SSD, I would recommend the Samsung 830… by all accounts it's a great drive. Alternatively, Intel 330 or SanDisk Extreme's are also quite popular. If you want to go the budget route, there's also Liteon drives.
Also: I would recommend buying some low profile RAM (like this), just to make sure that there's no spacing issues with the CPU cooler. I'm not terribly sure if the higher clock speed will be of great use, but I don't use onboard graphics, so… shrug
^what he said. But the silver stone strider 600watts is good. Thats what im using and its a 100% module psu so less clutter.
750-600w is overkill especially for a system that doesn't run graphics cards.
And if you don't plan on getting Crossfire or SLi, 550 watts is already plenty…
psu's are more energy efficient at around 75 percent load ive read somewhere. Plus he wants a psu thay will last 5 years so if he wants to upgrade itd be an ideal choice. But yes agree the antec or even a 350 would be sufficient without a gpu.
Note i think the silver strider has a lowrr watt model from what i can remember.
Frewer said he planned on getting a GPU at the end of the year, and this looks to be an overclocking build, so I figured listing the higher wattage PSU's wouldn't hurt.
shrug, just providing options.
I recommend
GIGABYTE h77/z77 n-WIFI —-140$ but Mini ITX board
bit more but extremly well.
Intel® Z77 and H77 Chipsets supporting Intel® 3rd generation Core™ processors
·Onboard intel IEEE 802.11b/g/n WiFi
·Bluetooth 4.0 supporting Bluetooth Low Energy (BLI) devices
·Intel® Wireless Display 2.0
+Dual Gigabit LAN (inc. Teaming Support)
+ Dual HDMI ports
go for kingston 2x4GB 2133 Mhz RAM Gives 8.1 rating in windows 8.
CPU Intel 3570K or 3770K. because HD4000 GFX.
Save Some on CPU to get 1 OCZ vertex 4. More IOPS Then Others.
The Case With 200Watt Power good for energy saving this days.
For Small footprint .
check this :
http://www.computeronline.com.au/products_pic.php?C_ID=24&S_…
Thermaltake Element Q Mini Case w/ 220W SFX PSU
I have this build ready to sell.
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best luck
This is what I would get but it might be quite a bit over your budget…
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K $233
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&…
CPU Cooler: CoolerMaster V6GT CPU Cooler $55
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&…
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 Motherboard $139
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&…
GPU: Powercolor Radeon HD7950 PCS+ 3GB Boost $319
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&…
G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-10666CL7D-8GBXH (2x4GB) DDR3 $49
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&…
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB $105
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&…
Hard Drive (SSD): Intel 520 Series 120GB SSD $145
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&…
Case: NZXT Phantom USB 3.0 Case White $169
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&…
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W Modular HCG-620M $115
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&…
DVD Drive: LG GH24NS90 24x SATA DVD-RW Drive $22
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&…
try Budget PC -Cheap Computers, Refurbished and used Desktop …
www.budgetpc.com.au/
pretty cheap parts, customisable, and can build yours with the online tool. postage is about 5-10 bucks for Vic-Nsw.
8Gb of ddr3 1333mhz or 1600mhz ram should do you fine.
Want SSD?