Are hybrids worth it for saving on fuel expenses?
Toyota Corolla Sedan hybrid and Hyundai i30 hybrid fuel consumption of 3.9L / 100km
Should I Buy a Toyota Corolla Hybrid or a Hyundai I30 Hybrid 2024
Riz-2020 on 04/03/2024 - 16:58
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Yes, Nissan Xtrail.
How much are you going to have to spend once you are your X trail?
I normally get 550KM on a full tank and always use High-grade premium octane
High-grade premium octane
not required for that engine. you'd save yourself $15/tank by just using 91. any improvement in economy is negated by the additional cost
one could make a case for moving the x-trail on to avoid being left holding the bag when its CVT implodes. toyota hybrid is the best in the business. im not sure hyundai's is there yet.
@Riz-2020: Using 98 is a complete waste. You didn't answer the question though, how much can you sell your X-Trail for? How much will you have to spend to buy a new car? Is it worth spending $50k to save a few bucks in fuel?
@Riz-2020: Drop back to the minimum fuel recommended by your manufacturer to save fuel costs instantly. Will make no differece to your drive expereince and save probably as much as your possible savings from a bew car anyway.
You need to do the numbers yourself, how many kms will you do per year? What’s the difference in price to the petrol alternative? Might be a long time to break even if your saving $30 a fortnight.
Thank you @Stewardo
Are hybrids worth it for saving on fuel expenses?
The cheapest car you can have is the one you already own.
Spending $50k for a new car is a lot of fuel over many, many, years with your current car.
Don't buy a car just to get the fuel savings. There has to be other reasons like safety upgrades, comfort, features and maximising the value from your existing car.
Are hybrids worth it for saving on fuel expenses?
Drive did an article on this.
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/are-hybrids-worth-the-ext…
They concluded that for the average 15,000 km/yr driver, they'd get back the higher purchase price in fuel savings in 3-4 years for most hybrids. A bit sooner if they are mostly driven round the city. A lot longer if they are mostly driven on highways.
The added advantage is that they are worth more second hand. But a disadvantage is that they cost more to insure.
And don't forget the ever increasing cost of fuel, whatever price the Drive team used in their calculations would have gone up a lot by now bring the costs down quicker
Toyota Corolla Sedan hybrid … fuel consumption of 3.9L / 100km
Is virtually impossible to achieve so don't expect that in real life. Also don't expect any discounts on the Corolla, since you'll be waiting for your car for a while. This user claims he managed to get a discount on his i30 hybrid sedan (read towards the end of page 2 of comments).
Why the downgrade from a SUV to a sedan? Why not a Rav4 hybrid or equivalent from other manufacturers?
why the downgrade?
most suvs are worse then sedans in everything other than heightConsidering people buy SUVs FoR tHe HeIgHt, I'm interested to see why the OP is opting for a sedan
I'm using a Corolla Sedan hybrid through work. Getting 4.4L/100km which is around 800km a tank when the warning light comes on.
Yeah 4.4L is more accurate than 3.9L. Mine's around 4.6L but (presumably) unlike your work car, mine's fitted with low profile tyres
Why the downgrade from a SUV to a sedan? Why not a Rav4 hybrid or equivalent from other manufacturers?
SUVs are the epitome of a downgrade tbh. But personal opinion aside, maybe they are picking sedan to capitalise further on the reduction of fuel costings?
How much to replace a Hybrid battery?
If you really want to save fuel $, go pure EV
Unless your current vehicle is going to die soon, dont purchase either now. Save for 2 more years and go EV.
Youll lose more in selling the xtrail amd depreciation on the new one than youre likely to save innfuel costs.
So spend an extra $20-25k? It'll take a while to recoup the costs.
There are other options than Tesla.
Corolla or i30 hybrid from about $36k. BYD dolphin from around $40, mg4 about $44k.
True but for comparable range? OP says they get 550km of range and for a similar range it is pushing $60k. Real world range of the base dolphin and MG4 would be around 350-400km.
I've been driving an EV for over a year (in for repairs) and range anxiety is real.
@Caped Baldy: Getting 550km range in an ICE doesnt mean anything. You have to go out of your way to fuel up. OP might only be fuelling up every 2 weeks. My car has around 800km range, but I only fuel every 3-4 weeks. With an EV its very likely you can start every single day with 100% range.
Range anxiety is only 'real' because we arent used to preplanning for fuel stops and there isnt heaps of infrastructure. Although, if youve travelled in the country on a sunday ICE range anxiety can be a thing too. Ive had it when the guage drops seemingly quicker than usual and the next town is just a bit far.
Barely anyone needs huge range out of an EV other than a few times a year because they can charge overnight whenever they please.
@Caped Baldy: Had mine for 6 months and I've had range anxiety once, and that was my own dumb fault cause I forgot to switch the isolator on when I charged the night before a road trip. That's with a 320km range on full battery. Not discounting your experience, but general consensus (they have some research done on this) is that range anxiety is not as much of a thing as people make out
Unless OP is going 550kms in one sitting, the comparison is fairly meaningless since, if the had a garage they can plug into as Euphemistic said they can leave home on 100% on a daily basis if they want (battery degradation is a thing, but considering it doesn't really have a huge effect until something like 660kkms meh). IF you do have to treat it like fuel and go to a charger, ok, maybe you might have some wobble- but remember that it doesn't need to be empty and you don't need to charge to full- charge opportunistically and the issue all but goes away.
remember that it doesn't need to be empty and you don't need to charge to full
This is an important point.
Modern EVs dont have NiCad battery 'memory' effect. They have their longest life by keeping between 20-85% charge. By all means charge to 100% overnight slowly, but fast chargers will slow their charge rare about 85% for battery longevity.
Friend has her EV and prefers 2 10-15min top up stops on her regular long trip. Rather than one 30-40min stop to full. She arrives with more charge from the 2x short charge as well.
@Caped Baldy: Strongly disagree that range anxiety is a thing. I worried about it for about 2 weeks, then forgot all about it. It's almost never something that needs to be considered.
They're both rather slow, but if you must have one get the Toyota. They've been at the hybrid game for a long time and you know it will be well supported in the future if anything goes wrong.
Byd atto 3.
but you have to look at it…
And have a car with ‘Build Your Dreams’ on the back. Those words make you look like a person who has overstayed your time in India / Bali / Thailand because you’ve ‘found yourself’
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It would've been saved if they did the normal thing and blast the true meaning behind BYD into obscurity, but the fact that they went chaotic mode and actually wrote out what it stood for on some of their cars is mind blowing. Who thought that was a good idea?
Looks great. ;)
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Then supercharge it
6inch lift kit, 37s
mod it for rollin' coal
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Of the two I'd buy the Toyota every single time. Hyundai have and are dealing with multiple quality issues. I'm sure they'll get their act together as the company matures, but that takes times..
https://www.drive.com.au/news/hyundai-owners-angry-over-pain…
https://www.drive.com.au/news/hyundai-and-kia-hit-with-class…
https://jalopnik.com/hyundai-finally-replaced-my-engine-mill…Hyundai (over $2000+) has 2x the service cost compare to Toyota (about $1000) for the first 5 years of ownership.
Toyota capped priced service for the Corolla is currently $245
Wow, it is going up quick. My 2020 Corolla is $180, last time I checked was $205….and now you said it is $245 :(
Yeah. Went up with the new facelift that was released in November 2022 (mine was delivered 13 months ago and had to pay $245 for my first service recently)
I just got Hyundai I30 hybrid about 2 weeks ago, unlike Toyota you could still negotiate the price for i30 hybrid. if you're in NSW best price I could find is $33.5K from rrp of $36k. Personally, if I could get Corolla Hybrid ready in stock, I would choose Corolla for reliability but all dealers I've visited in Sydney still have 8 months waiting period for Corolla hybrid. I've test drive both, I'll let you know why I choose i30
- First is stock availability, I only need to wait 2 weeks for i30
- Design is way better than boring Corolla
- Car is more spacious in i30 both the backseat and the boot
FYI fuel consumption is no where near 3.9l / 100 km. For me the best thing about I30 sedan is the design, its the best looking car for something under 40k. If you are asking me what to get now, I'd get a Corolla Hybrid if you can OR save yourself ~$6k(i'm pretty confident you could get it for $30k by negotiating) get I30 petrol(non-hybrid) sedan.
Btw capped pricing for Hyundai is $415 so a lot more expensive than Toyota, however you do get 1 free service after 4 services if you do it in the same dealership.
Honda capped price service is $199.(as of August 1st 2022)I only pay $125 for my Honda Hybrid.
Hybrid civic for 55k?
Definitely not the 55K Civic hybrid; that came out in 2023. Sounds like the older Civic hybrid or a different Honda
What's fuel usage like on i30 hybrid?
Still not sure yet, my first full tank was really bad i think its around 9l/100km. Now I'm on my 2nd tank, its becoming much better around 5.5l/100km. Not sure if its still going to improve on my 3rd ones. This is driven 65% in the city and rest is highway.
Thanks. Not sure why one of the gutless snowflakes negged you.
Which dealer offers 33.5k? Can you share guidance?
Ryde NSW, let me know how much you are paying if you decide to buy
Thanks mate, will let you know
Do you already have a car? Are you spending $50k to try to save $20 a week on fuel?