Might be the lowest this specific model has been so far. Hopefully prices continue to drop.
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PNY GeForce RTX 4070 12GB XLR8 Gaming VERTO EPIC-X RGB Triple Fan Graphics Card $829 Delivered + Surcharge @ Centre Com
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I think if you're going to spend nearly $900 for an overpriced card, you can get an AMD 7800XT with 16GB VRAM.
I was thinking the same until I started playing with local LLMs, Stable Diffusion, PyTorch, TensorFlow and the likes. nVidia CUDA is the only practical and easy way to use these. Everything else is a pain and I’ve wasted countless hours researching OpenCL and other solutions.
For gaming tho, 7800XT FTW
I've seen benchmarks that put them basically even overall.
Then the 4070 has the advantage by using less power and having better software.
I really don't think the 16gb is important for gaming - the card will likely be obsolete before 12gb is a problem. Hell I still have a 2060 with 6gb playing at 1440p and only just recently felt the itch to upgrade. Using system ram as vram is not ideal but not as bad as people say.
That's the difficulty with productivity using AI. Hard to find benchmarks on them. Would be interesting to see the cost per performance for something like this
This is about as good as it gets for now https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/stable-diffu…
nVidia CUDA is the only practical and easy way to use these
Nvidia knows this hence the extortionate pricing. Too many fanboys pay ridiculous prices. They love teasing with thier FOMO tactics …. ti, super, … and soon super dooper and super dooper ti just to over charge and get you sucked in.
AMD has this too but not as bad.
I was an ex nvidia fanboy after purchasing the 7800XT and loving it. Plus I don't have to worry about a potential house fire with nvidia's higher end 12HPVBBQ connectors
YMMV
I'm living the dream with my ex miner.
It's been awesome and I haven't given nVidia a cent.
Never a fan of any specific brands so I’m using Intel, AMD and Nvidia GPUs at the same time. I Always get first hand experience of products so I can determine which one is a better fit for different scenarios.
@vinni9284: Well if AIO then defs Nvidia. But for me the three setups that I have right now are
1. RTX 4080 as an HTPC in the living room so I can play ray tracing games with an OLED TV;
2. 7900 XTX for purely raster gaming in the gaming room for competitive gaming;
3. A770 as a work PC for video editing in the study room.
I was also an Nvidia fanboy, but now I’m using an Intel ARC A770 LE. I managed to get stable diffusion working and GPU acceleration in LM Studio with some effort. The 4070 Ti Super is tempting, but I won’t be switching as the Intel ARC A770 LE has improved significantly and is, in my opinion, easily the best-looking GPU.
@fastnet: The intel line up is really good looking IMO, and even the AIB models are astonishing. I personally think the best-looking white card is the GUNNIR Arc A770 16GB Photon White GPU. Unfortunately it is not sold in AUS.
@fastnet: Link to how you got LM Studio working with GPU acceleration? Been trying on and off on an A770 for months lol.
@idonotknowwhy: LM Studio worked for me without much trouble. To enable GPU acceleration:
- In LM Studio, open the settings sidebar and tick 'GPU Offload'.
- Enter the number of layers to offload under ‘n_gpu_layers’: I’ve successfully used 25 with the deepseekcoder 6 instruct 7B model. For some models, you can even set it to -1 to offload all layers (this worked with mistral instruct 7B). Having 16GB VRAM helps here.
- Set the GPU type to OpenCL.
- Chat with the model and check GPU usage through task manager; the GPU should now be utilised.
It's not really fair to call people "fanboys" when buying based on objective and relevant features/performance differences.
It's not like the old days where AMD and Nvidia where truly at feature and performance parity but people overpaid for nvidia anyway.
@xrailgun: You're right! Let me rephrase this; 'suckers'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-5xn3ktsAM
Yep. Without xformers parity, 16 GB of AMD VRAM has less functional capacity than 12 GB of Nvidia VRAM for SD/LLMs.
That is true on Windows with SD, but I have heard that it works much better in Linux with rocm.
wouldn't you go a super?
Super for $999 but the 4070ti is at $1069 so would go up to 4070ti before the super right now
Hmm yeah good point. It's annoying that this always happens with new products.
Yeah the 4070ti supers are way too expensive and around the same price 4080 has been recently. 4070 needs to sit at $800, super at $900 and Ti at $1000 and then drop accordingly for sales. I'll get it a Ti super at sub $1200 if it comes in the next couple of months otherwise I'll skip the gen.
Or if a really good 7800/7900xt pre build comes up I'll buy that, or Lenovo legion pro 7i with 4080 for $2800~ after cashback. Its whatever comes first really.
@lookingforadeal7: IMO, I would stay away from higher spec'd laptops unless they have a substantial warranty (like 3 years) Most of them fall apart due to heat, poor plasticky quality etc. The Lenovo with a $3K+ spend with a year warranty is paltry IMO. If you can build a PC, you can get a decent hybrid (new and used parts ) with a new 7800XT for around $1200 for the box.
Is there a site which comprehensively break downs the build quality of cards? I'm so behind on GPUs since they became expensive
I think when it comes it individual models of the same card you're better off searching each card itself and looking at what common issues others have had, not the easiest process
Hmmm, thanks for the advice.
I'm gonna do a google for video card brand and series lines tiers
Usually what I do is search a specific card I'm interested in and then just write "issues/heating issues/coil whine" after and then determine if it's a common problem if there's enough forums around it, if there isn't too much info on issues than that's a good sign. People will talk about the faults rather than the good first.
Generally most manufacturers stick with the reference PCB design, so normally you are looking at buying the cooling solution.
Coil whine seems to be the most frequent issue and normally from the TUF range, no experience with that directly.
Look at warranty support and rate of failures as well.
I would buy local with a local store so if there is any issues you have somewhere and someone to go to.
Find a good local computer store near you.
Also 1049 for 4070ti