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[Refurb] Dell Wyse 5070 Thin Client Pentium Silver J5005 1.5GHz 8GB 32GB EMMC No OS $59 Delivered @ Metrocom

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[Refurb] Dell Wyse 5070 Thin Client Pentium Silver J5005 1.5GHz 8GB 32GB EMMC No OS $59 Delivered @ Metrocom
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MarketingMetroCom on 06/02/2024 - 15:22 metrocom.com.au (3693 clicks)

Hi All got a good number of this thin client with 10W 4 cores CPU, which is ideal for home assistant.

Processor
1x Intel(R) Pentium(R) Silver J5005 CPU @ 1.50GHz
Memory
2x 4GB DDR4 2400mhz
Operating System
No OS installed (Windows 10 IoT Enterprises License embedded in the bios)
Hard Drive
1x 32GB SSD
Wireless Network
N/A
Ports
1x Ethernet; 3x integrated Display Port; 5 USB 3.1; 2x USB 2.0; 1 DC power In; Global Headset/Mic Audion Jack; 1 USB 3.1 Gen1(Type C); 1x COM port
Graphics
1x Intel® UHD Graphics 605

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    • scrimshaw on 06/02/2024 - 19:41
      +4

      thin clients are very low performance computers that has been optimized for establishing a remote connection with a server-based computing environment.

      Basically, they connect to a server that is doing most (or all) of the work and all the thin client has to do is to send data back and forth between the user (client) and the server.

      That's why they're called thin client; They will be terrible as a gaming PC.

    • gmatht on 06/02/2024 - 21:41
      +1

      The integrated GPU can walk Roblox at 30fps and low settings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ4BrzcWyxI

  • chickendog on 06/02/2024 - 19:50

    Backup router-on-a-stick pfSense box let's gooo!

    In fact I might just swap it out for my main if it works all good since it's fanless.

    • magnitude on 07/02/2024 - 02:48

      what does this mean?

    • Chandler on 07/02/2024 - 15:21

      Not quite "-on-a-stick", but yeah.

      • ouranos on 07/02/2024 - 15:57

        It would be unless you add another ethernet interface.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Router_on_a_stick

        • Chandler on 07/02/2024 - 16:16
          +1

          Ah. I was picturing a router on-a-USB-stick (USB-sized PC), rather than a router connected as a branch connection rather than a through connection.

          TIL, thank you!

  • scottb721 on 06/02/2024 - 19:54

    hmmm Have Home Assistant on my Synology 920+.
    Have been considering a switch to SFF

    • bdl on 06/02/2024 - 19:59

      I decided i'm going to keep my HA on my Syno, have mirrored nvme on it and can't mirror storage on this box

      • scottb721 on 06/02/2024 - 20:00

        For HA backup purposes ?

        • bdl on 06/02/2024 - 20:02

          nah, HA is so easy to restore if my syno died i would just fire up a proxmox VM on another machine i have, install HA and then restore backup.

          if you don't have nvme on your syno it's worth putting this $60 to adding it since the NAS is powered on 24x7 anyway so you may as well run HA on it (HA isn't very resource intensive all things considered)

          Just add the drive/s then run this in the shell: https://github.com/007revad/Synology_HDD_db

          • scottb721 on 06/02/2024 - 20:07

            @bdl: Ah so you're running HA on the NVME ?

            My HA backups consist of a copy of its docker folder

            • bdl on 06/02/2024 - 20:10

              @scottb721: correct, you can move your docker directory to the nvme if you want to stay on docker, or you can run virtual machine manager if you want to run HA in a VM. Either way will be much more responsive than running HA on raided hard disks. Added benefit is that if you mirror your nvmes, everything else you are running in Docker also benefits from the higher availability of raided storage (and speed from nvme vs hd).

              That being said, I did find a use for one of these boxes to consolidate a few pi's to one machine and I needed silent for where it's located at my house (moving from microsd storage to sata storage in the process). Decided against moving HA to it since it's storage config is a more difficult to mirror than, say, one of the refurb USFFs that go on special that have both nvme and 2.5 storage options internally.

              • REDRUM on 07/02/2024 - 13:19
                +1

                @bdl: It's a good set up, I have a 1520+ with raid 1 NVME's for a second volume and run docker on there. I have about 25 containers running and persistent storage backed up to vol1. Has been rock solid.

                However, I have never seen that repo/script before, looks easier than my method ;)

              • scottb721 on 07/02/2024 - 21:37

                @bdl: Anything I need to know before picking NVMEs ?

                • bdl on 07/02/2024 - 22:39

                  @scottb721: not really, just make sure you run that script after doing Synology OS upgrades. you can set it to automatically run as a cronjob but i prefer to run it manually. Don't panic if the syno complains it can't see the nvmes after an upgrade, it's normal :) After run the script and reboot and it will find the nvmes again.

                  I've got an 1821+ and a 920+ and using this boring nvme in it: https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B082BWY2C2 (mirrored in each, been running 24x7 for a while now)

                  Looks like the 512gb is $69 (Nice!) so cheaper per gb now (when i bought the 256gb was best cost per gb and I only run a few dockers/vms so didn't need more)

                  • scottb721 on 08/02/2024 - 07:44
                    +1

                    @bdl: Thanks very much.

                  • scottb721 on 08/02/2024 - 12:06
                    +1

                    @bdl: Ordered :)

                  • scottb721 on 14/02/2024 - 01:07

                    @bdl: All done. Drives fitted and HA moved over. All went fine except qbittorrent complaining about ports already in use.
                    Thanks again.

    • flock on 07/02/2024 - 00:02

      I offloaded just about all docker containers off my NAS and onto an old Wyse Z90. The only things left are Plex and management tools like Portainer and vscode. The hard drives are a lot quieter now and I've freed up 2GB of RAM on the 918+.

      • bdl on 07/02/2024 - 09:17

        mine has ram upgrade plus nvme x2 to run dockers/vms so I found HD noise not affected much by docker but of course ymmv.

  • OldSchoolHarry on 06/02/2024 - 19:55

    Bought one to move HA OS from rPi 3b to this. Let's see if there is any noticeable difference.

    • scottb721 on 06/02/2024 - 19:56

      What OS do you think you'll run, or, is the Windows 10 IoT enough to run HA ?

      • mathew42 on 06/02/2024 - 22:20

        I would run Linux Mint probably Mate edition as Cinnamon UI is a bit heavy.

      • OldSchoolHarry on 07/02/2024 - 00:43

        Home Assistant OS is the one I am planning to install as this will be a dedicated HA machine; all to be done using a bootable Ubuntu Desktop flash drive (i.e. Method 1 in the official tutorial).

        • scottb721 on 07/02/2024 - 16:46

          Yeah I meant the base OS. Thanks

    • bdl on 06/02/2024 - 20:04
      +1

      you'll notice a difference due to the better storage subsystem (ie. not microsd)

      also if using zigbee, run zigbee2mqtt (https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/) on your old pi3b to separate your zigbee coordinator from your HA install

      • OldSchoolHarry on 07/02/2024 - 00:38

        I was hoping to use the pi3b for misc services such as unifi controller. I use ZHA + ConBee II for all Zigbee devices anyway.

        • bdl on 07/02/2024 - 00:43

          You've be better off leaving HA on the pi and moving unifi to this new box. When I ran it, I always ran Unifi on x86, the thought of it on a microsd make me nervous. (Then again, I suppose the Cloudkeys are ARM)

          • OldSchoolHarry on 07/02/2024 - 01:17

            @bdl: You raise a good point. I might even just run PiHole on pi3b and get another Wyse for upcoming Unifi project.

            • bdl on 07/02/2024 - 09:10
              +1

              @OldSchoolHarry: If you're rebuilding your pi, invest in a high endurance sd for your pi if you don't have one already and if you're running PiHole disable logging too :) I can suggest https://dietpi.com/ as the base OS for your pi (hell, your Wyze if you want to :) ) and go from there.

              If you want a painless way to put Unifi on your Wyze, install Proxmox then run the Unifi script here: https://tteck.github.io/Proxmox/ - also has Home Assistant and other goodies

              • OldSchoolHarry on 07/02/2024 - 10:12
                +1

                @bdl: Cheers for the info. I will definitely look into Proxmox. And yeah I already run high endurance sd card on pi3b for HA. Interestingly though my piHole has been running flawlessly on pi zero wireless for last 4 years on just a regular sd card.

                • bdl on 07/02/2024 - 15:30
                  +1

                  @OldSchoolHarry: You may find Unifi doesn't like it as much with all it's database access.

      • Chandler on 07/02/2024 - 15:25

        separate your zigbee coordinator from your HA install

        What's the benefit of this?

        I'm personally running ZHA with a Skyconnect connected via USB to the PC my HA is running on.

        • bdl on 07/02/2024 - 15:29

          I have my HA instance in a server/plant room not near any of my Zigbee devices, separating the zigbee coordination enables me to place it more optimally.

          Also, my HA instance not needing a USB port (to support the coordinator) means that I can just move the install wherever I want without having to reconfigure the zigbee network each time.

    • ppdogs on 06/02/2024 - 20:39

      Can you plug in zigbee dongles to it and pass through to HA?

  • xmagic on 06/02/2024 - 20:30

    I can see the reference picture shows smart card (CAC) reader in the front. Is the actual machine comes with smart card reader as well? Actually need it if it's included 🙃

    Also noticed Wyse 5070's m.2 slot is SATA only - good to know.

    • bdl on 08/02/2024 - 17:31
      +1

      no smart card reader, the front panel that is shipped doesn't have the card slot

      • xmagic on 08/02/2024 - 17:32

        Thank you for sharing. I shouldn't be surprised.

  • Oyster59 on 06/02/2024 - 20:57

    Hey, your checkout seems buggy. I had to uncheck "I would like to receive exclusive emails with discounts and product information" before it would stop giving me an error saying "Please enter your full name", even though my full name was entered. Got there in the end though.

  • cloudzhou on 06/02/2024 - 21:17
    +2

    Can this run moonlight to stream games from my PC running sunshine? I suppose 1080p only cannot handle 4k?

    • blues99 on 07/02/2024 - 11:12

      Following also interested in this, would it work best with a lightweight Linux and then moonlight?

      • cloudzhou on 07/02/2024 - 11:53

        True, linux may be better, less resources needed.
        Just bought one, let's see if it can handle 4k, I saw some youtube video it surely can do 4K

  • GordonD on 06/02/2024 - 22:13
    +2

    The Dell Wyse 5070 is the first of the Dell Wyse thin clients you'd buy if you want to repurpose it as a PC. As annoying as it is that the 5070 only has a SATA M.2 slot, not an NVMe one, the 5060 was even worse. It has a strange mini-card that plugged into a SATA socket. The only way to fit a decent size drive in them was a to buy a 2.5" SATA drive, remove the internals from its case, and hope the circuit board inside it was small enough to fit. If it didn't, you had just destroyed a 2.5" SATA drive.

    The alternative line of products that people wanting to buy a cheap ex-lease thin client and use it as a PC is HP's thin clients. They use various AMD processors. The T630 has the same annoying problem as the 5070 that its M.2 slot is SATA only. The T640 has the major benefit that it uses an NVMe M.2 drive. It also uses a real Ryzen processor, albeit only a 2.4 GHz 2C/4T one. There's a version of the T630, the T730, that has a bigger case that allows fitting one low profile PCIe expansion card. And there's a version of the T640, the T740, that not only has room for an expansion card, it also has a significantly more powerful Ryzen processor, a 3.25 GHz 4C/8T one, and it has slots for both NVMe and SATA M.2 drives.

    All these have multiple 4K displayports, if you want high res video, and a really good count of USB3 ports, including 10 Mb/s ones. And they're pretty easy to put Windows 10 or 11 on. You just chase up the drivers on the AMD drivers web site for the processor thats in them, then install the drivers after you install Windows. They make great internet/office PCs.

  • magnitude on 06/02/2024 - 23:15

    buoght one. can it display 4k 60hz??

    • bdl on 07/02/2024 - 00:49
      +2

      You'll find out soon :)

      • figarow on 07/02/2024 - 10:27

        Haha

  • Beerforkids on 06/02/2024 - 23:29
    +1

    These are pretty awesome for running klipper if you run a 3d printer farm or even a single printer.
    Compared to the price of a Pi now these are still pretty fantastic.

  • LockedUpLotionClown on 07/02/2024 - 07:45

    Thanks JUN, Ordered. Have been toying with the idea of Home Assistance and this tipped me over the edge. Thanks to all the commentators for the extra information as well.

  • loadofrubbish on 07/02/2024 - 08:02

    is this good enough for windows 11? thank you

    • bdl on 07/02/2024 - 09:11

      define "good enough"

    • GordonD on 07/02/2024 - 09:33
      -2

      If its not, download Tiny11. Google it if you've never heard of it.

    • ESEMCE on 07/02/2024 - 10:00
      +3

      No.
      Not if you value your sanity.

      • GordonD on 08/02/2024 - 11:54

        I'm interested in what you're so unhappy about with it because I've been looking at using it for a specific use that runs a single application which could alternatively just run on an unactivated copy of Windows 10.

        When I google it there are lots of references, and they are overwhelmingly positive. I see warnings. Like that it won't update. I see the PC I'm running it on doing updates.

        • ESEMCE on 08/02/2024 - 12:02
          +1

          I'm not one of the neggers and I wasn't replying to your comment.
          Tiny11 might run fine, I have no experience to comment, but running a full blown Windows 10 or 11 on a Pentium class CPU is going to be an underwhelming experience.

          Elsewhere in this thread it seems that these might come with Windows IoT which probably runs OK.

  • fudge01010 on 07/02/2024 - 08:14

    Bought one, will either use it for a HA box or try hack another NIC into it somehow for a low power OPNsense box.

    Edit: just saw the thingiverse model from an earlier comment - looks like I'm in luck!

  • spoonmugen on 07/02/2024 - 08:32

    wanna set up a sff pc for retro gaming…
    whats reuired for naomi emulation these days

  • roflcopter74 on 07/02/2024 - 09:17

    How would this go for 8x 4K cameras with frigate? I’d be using a coral accelerator as well. Currently have an older dell pc running blue iris and a raspberry pi for HA. Would be good to combine the two

  • Evostar on 07/02/2024 - 12:23

    What’s a barebones version of Linux to use with this and docker.

    Currently coming from rpi 4. I have a socket script I run. Which installs everything for me. But need something as close to pi os as possible. Tia.

    • ESEMCE on 07/02/2024 - 12:53

      Ubuntu server or Debian server

    • bdl on 07/02/2024 - 14:22

      dietpi.com

    • Evostar on 07/02/2024 - 21:30

      Forgot to add I only run the lite pi version. So ssh only.

  • kfp187 on 07/02/2024 - 13:31

    I like Ubuntu desktop… I don't use it full time but sometimes my linux knowledge isn't perfect and like having a UI. Would this be ok for this purpose and to run docker on said device?

    • bdl on 07/02/2024 - 14:21
      +1

      Really depends what you are running on it, one of the $75 6500 refurbs may be better for your workload

    • ESEMCE on 07/02/2024 - 14:42

      Yeah, I'd be using Lubuntu or something lighter like that if you really NEED desktop.
      But I still think server OS with Portainer to give you the UI to docker is a better option.

      DietPi looks like an excellent option.

      • kfp187 on 07/02/2024 - 16:43

        I've used DietPi on a RPi4… had issues with the networking stuff and running AdGuard Home on it…

        • bdl on 07/02/2024 - 16:44

          I'm running dietpi with adguardhome on five pis, no problems for the past 2-3 years

          • kfp187 on 07/02/2024 - 16:48
            +1

            @bdl: Yeah cool… I have a feeling it was more an Asus Router issue than a DietPi issue

  • edforums on 07/02/2024 - 23:29

    Would be ok for running Pihole on Ubuntu or other supported distro? Can anyone comment please? Thanks

    • ju2au on 07/02/2024 - 23:48

      Yeah, this PC can easily run Pihole without break a sweat. Any Linux distribution will do but you can install the embedded Windows 10 IoT to run Pihole.

      • edforums on 08/02/2024 - 09:26

        I thought pihole only worked with Linux, but yes to are right, thanks

  • bdl on 08/02/2024 - 12:46

    Looks like they are now OOS

  • bdl on 08/02/2024 - 13:07

    Mine arrived, great condition. no eMMC soldered, m2 sata only. Had to remove the barcode sticker to slide the top off. Thankyou metrocom for using stickers that don't leave residue.

    Now to add my m2 wifi card, anyone know where to get those mini screws for the m2 posts?

    • bdl on 08/02/2024 - 14:09

      Couldn't use built in BIOS upgrade functionality (came installed with 1.1.3) so just booted Hiren's (https://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/) after enabling USB boot in BIOS and performed the upgrade there

      The only bad thing was some glue from a previous asset tag label, 2 minutes work with isopropyl and it's gone

    • ju2au on 08/02/2024 - 17:06
      +1

      For the M2 screws, they seem to be the cheapest on Aliexpress but I have seen them on Amazon:

      https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005006038326792.html

      https://www.amazon.com.au/SGTKJSJS-M-2-Screw-NVMe-Mounting/d…

    • TightLikeThisx on 08/02/2024 - 22:30

      They sell the whole setup online including the network card itself for about $20. I can’t remember the model but just google the details in the spec sheet for models that come with wifi.

      • bdl on 08/02/2024 - 22:46

        I had everything except the screw, found one floating around in my random parts bin so all is good

  • bdl on 08/02/2024 - 17:08
    +1

    For those that missed out there's some on ebay here https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/266079359057

    • bdl on 08/02/2024 - 17:30

      and if you want even smaller form factor: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/266470735167

      • gadget on 08/02/2024 - 19:21

        FYI these don't come with any SSD slots. All memory/storage is soldered and non expandable. That said this will be ok for a klipper setup.

        • bdl on 08/02/2024 - 19:41

          yes, eMMC only. Funny you mention Klipper - I was thinking of one for my 3dprinter

  • bdl on 10/02/2024 - 18:24

    Geekbench scores similar to Synology 920+

  • tomssy on 12/02/2024 - 17:43

    Mine arrived this morning. Well packaged. It wouldn't boot initially. After some googling, I tried replacing the CMOS battery and it boots fine. Now to figure out what to do with it!

  • Winman on 12/02/2024 - 21:31

    Picked up mine this afternoon. It wouldn't boot as no OS installed. Plug in a USB and installed Windows 11 pro. Working fine, just using it to type this now. Try to find out a way to use it!

  • sputnik on 13/02/2024 - 07:21

    Managed to get windows 10 pro activated by hitting the troubleshooting field in Activation which discovers the licence.

    Great deal for the price

    • cloudzhou on 13/02/2024 - 16:25

      Which win10 ISO did you install? I installed the Enterprise IOT, but it's showing valid for 90 days evaluation license

      • sputnik on 13/02/2024 - 17:03
        +1

        Windows Media Creation usb -> Windows 10 -> Install Windows 10 pro -> Load Windows -> Activation in settings (will say no valid key) -> Troubleshoot- Select associated Desktop Windows 10

        Don’t download IoT

        • edforums on 14/02/2024 - 12:25

          I thought IoT would be a lighter win 10 version?

          • sputnik on 14/02/2024 - 13:32

            @edforums: Depends what you want it for. I’m just talking about making sure the licence works.

            I've updated to Win11pro now with Compact OS to knock off another 2gb.

        • Yummy on 17/02/2024 - 22:35

          Easier way:

          Install W10Pro without key.

          Run CMD in admin, type:
          wmic path softwareLicensingService get OA3xOriginalProductKey

          Pity this Wyse wont let me install 32bit. Gave me headaches all day.

          • edforums on 17/02/2024 - 22:49

            @Yummy: I installed a reduced win 11 pro version I created myself but was too slow. I ended up installing Ubuntu server instead

            • Yummy on 17/02/2024 - 23:00
              +1

              @edforums: Too slow
              I don't mind that, I'm trying to run old emulator from 90's era. :p

          • gadget on 22/02/2024 - 08:16

            @Yummy: Virtually all corporate PCs would have win 10 pro installed originally.

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