I am looking to purchase a used sports car or brand new EV.
Currently have the following options.
Alfa Romeo Giulia Veloce (used)
Kia Stinger GT (used)
BYD Seal (brand new) — unsure if I should get dynamic or premium, leaning toward the latter as the battery is bigger and has more features.
Obviously the Seal is a lot more expensive as it is brand new but definitely more future proof. Also comes with $3000 rebate and no stamp duty.
What are everyone's thoughts on this?
What about the Nissan Leaf
Nismo Leaf. Iron Chef had one for sale
Grey import? No thanks.Approved dealers will not touch them, & insurance can be hellish expensive.
Grey import? No thanks.
Also, for the ignoramus of us unable to read Japanese the infotainment and labeling is all in incomprehensible characters.
I believe radio tuning is/maybe a problem.
As you, No thanks.
(Also they are very expensive for a second hand vehicle. Not dirt cheap for sure)
Not my style and the battery is too small
Seal
Perhaps an MG4 if you want a rear wheel drive EV?
InB4 all the cHiNa cAr BaD commenters turn up.
Maybe see if you can find a used Cupra Born, may come in close to the budget, you get an EV and a semi hot hatch.
If you are going the Seal, just buy the dynamic. There are not really more features other than slightly longer range and a little bit quicker… The AWD version is cheaper than an alternative Tesla 3 performance though.
Peugeot 407 with Twin-Turbo V6 Diesel Engine
Stinger is heavy on fuel but, for a 'sports car' it makes an excellent daily driver/all rounder. ie not too stiff, not too heavy steering, not too lowered, comfortable, good boot for what it is. A great car but expensive to run because of the fuel. It is a bit 'old school' in style - like the Mustang, you either are fine with that or think its a bit bogan.
The Seal has the weird interior, love or hate it; but its going to be much cheaper to run than a Stinger (even more so if you have solar). But obviously its a very different car, not a sports car, taller, maybe more efficient boot shape
I dont know much about the Veloce. Alfa claims that their cars over the past few years (say from 2018ish) have dealt with the historical problems such as rust but given its long history of such problems the reputation (if nothing else) will stick and no doubt you will get comments along those lines. Probably gets you a good 2nd hand price though since so many people are scared away from an Alfa. Its a smaller car, not as good as a daily driver especially if you have bigger passengers. Better on fuel than the Stinger but worse (obviously) than the Seal. Will be more expensive to service than the others I suspect, just because its Euro; plus the risk of something major going wrong is undoubtedly higher than a Kia.
You have picked 3 pretty different cars, so its a bit hard to say which of them suits you best. You have a 'muscle car', a more refined euro sports car and an EV. All good enough cars but what do you actually want from a car? What is your usage, how much driving do you do and where, do you carry passengers or luggage, can you charge your EV at home, do you have solar?
Good points. These three cars don't really go together in any way they are so different.
My pick would be the Stinger but it really isn't comparable to the others - especially the Seal.
Would be for work/leisure. Commute is not that long, about 15-20 minutes, 8km through urban traffic. Looking for something that stands out a bit and has a bit of speed. Something that is fun to drive.
What about a Tesla Model 3 performance AWD in red https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2020-tesla-model-3-…
0 - 100 in 3.5 sec. Will get great efficiency in the traffic and fast enough to spurt off when you have the chance.
Stands out, but you can't see the outside when your sat in it. Speed limit in 8km of urban traffic won't allow "speed". You need a nice i30 sports..
you won't get the seal delivered before 31/12 so the 3k rebate will expire
From the NSW gov EV incentive website
Individuals and businesses that have purchased or placed a deposit on an eligible EV prior to 1 January 2024, and are awaiting delivery of the vehicle, will still be eligible to receive the stamp duty exemption and rebate, regardless of whether the vehicle has been delivered by that date. This will ensure that purchasers who are unable to register their vehicle by 31 December 2023, are not disadvantaged for delays in delivery. Further information will be released soon regarding these arrangements.
So, if you get your order in before 1/1/24, they will still honor the incentives.
that's good to know I didn't realise, thanks
If you order and pay deposit you still get ot even though car is not delivered till 2024
Whats your budget?
If you're after a sporty EV I'd consider the BYD Seal, Tesla Model 3 and Cupra Born.
30-60k.
what about a stunning 1950 Mercury lead sled cruiser
https://journal.classiccars.com/2022/03/02/pick-of-the-day-1…
440, sweet
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Drive them. Pick your favourite.
Personally, if an EV was in my shortlist I’d be keen not to have to buy petrol ever again.
Do you really need the long range or has the marketing department of the oil company convinced you that you need 500km range to enjoy a 2hr drive on the weekend or a 30min commute each day?
Don't necessarily need the long range. I like the faster acceleration, which is definitely a luxury.
Then an EV is going to deliver that far better than a petrol car in the same class. No transmission, instant power delivery.
just availability and wait time to recharge…assuming the EV marketing department have convinced you to ignore these minor points…..
Wait time to recharge is only a problem if you aren’t planning to be doing something else while your car charges. That’s the thing, charging is not designed to be done like filling at a servo where you go out of your way and have to stand there and fill the tank. Recharging should be finding a parking space and utilising your time to get a meal, shop or sleep while your car charges.
Yes, long distance trips are different, but if you’re honest with yourself how often do you actually do that? How often to you realistically NEED to drive 4hrs without stopping at all?
FWIW a friend has an EV and prefers to take a toilet/coffee stop for 10min a couple of times on a long trip rather emptying to zero and recharging to 100%. charging between 20-80% can be maximum charge rate, while 0-20% and 80-100% is typically at a much slower charge rate.
Go the Alfa
Stingers are everywhere and give unmarked police/bogan vibes.
Alfa Romeo Veloce so that you can create amusing thread in 1-3 years when it breaks catastrophically
Or is giving a random error every third drive that’s impossible to show the mechanic what’s wrong and will cost a fortune to fix.
1-3 years? Someone’s optimistic
Sadly from that list it’s the car that is most exciting, even with knowledge that you’re going to get some random issue with the electronics
Holden Monaro
A Prius C
any day !
Probably the perfect runabout tbh. What is the aftermarket battery replacement cost looking like? 3-5k (i realise it has a smaller battery than it's big brother)? I know toyota offers a replacement battery themselves.
idk
i sold mine after 8 years and 50kkm
covid hit, i changed jobs, and didnt drive much anymore.
bought for 25k.
sold for 17k
Dodge RAM. They eat all your list up for breakfast
Lol…
Their existence also causes immense butthurt to some people which is comical.
The planet is so far down the gurgler now, if every person in India drove one it wouldn't make a bees dick of difference.
Apathy is the death of humanity.
@Oofy Doofy: Wilful apathy.
Nobody is unaware of their deliberate choice to do SFA to turn their own species demise around
You'll probably like the Stinger. Friend is on his second one, treats it like his baby, polishes it, won't drive when it rains. It's a sensible moderately performance car with lots of cool features. I don't like that tiny screen in it though.
But I get the impression it would be a joy to actually do some long touring drives in.
won't drive when it rains
Eyeroll. It's not a ferrari, it's a hyundai .
You should see his house. Immaculately clean. Dude should have been in the army, his gun and uniform would be the cleanest in the barracks.
I'm sure he polishes that gun day and night.Night and day.
but definitely more future proof
Isn't BYD a new entry into the Australian market, and being an EV, you are taking a gamble on longevity with it. So not as "future proof" as one of those ICE cars.
The biggest concern with EVs seems to be batteries. BYD is a battery company that supplies to other EV makers.
Battery longevity is only really a thing with old school batteries without active thermal management.
The BYD battery in my Nokia 3310 still works, reckon she'll be right mate ;)
New idea:
How many nokias would it take to power a car ? :D
I know you're making a joke but I HAD to calculate this.
18,451 for the base model or 24,793 for the extended range
Buying an EV is like buying car with the lifetime fuel bill up front. When the batteries are spent you refuel it(if you still own it)
Longevity of some batteries is going to be a mega issue going fwd as the cheaper nastier compounds break down and fail.
The claims about being environmentally friendly (at this stage) is tosh when you look at the big picture of the EV life line and charging,battery disposal etc.
Not all batteries will be created equally .
Yes, however, the seal has an 8 year battery warranty. That's pretty good.
I expect that EVS will soon cop a battery disposal tax, if it hasn't already been factored in.
Your warranty covers you, not the aftermath.
There will be stockpiles like old tyres, everywhere. And yest you can recycle the contents. IF! they were quality to begin with. But glass can also be recycled and yet we still don't bother, to commit properly. We'd rather open new mineral sands mines. That's humans for you. But hey good luck. It will be interesting to see what % these batts maintain over time.
They will undoubtedly find another way to tax EV’s with more taxes, that you can count on.The ‘bean counters’ in Government will be devising ways to get that revenue.
Batteries aren't binned when they're past their vehicle lifespan. They can be very easily made into home batteries down the track
@Anthropomorphised: And when they’re more of them around they’ll be recycled. New battery factories are building recycle facilities in house. But according to one manufacturer (I think it was Nissan) they aren’t getting enough back yet because they’re being used much longer than expected.
@Euphemistic: They are the used tyres of the future at the point when (like mineral sands) it's cheaper to build new than recycle.
Heard it all before.
@Protractor: I prefer to be a little optimistic. Having raw materials delivered to you at battery end of life is better than having to go dig them out if the ground.
@Euphemistic: It's your optimism. Knock yourself out.
but I sense you'll be disappointed , soon enough
@Protractor: The EU seems to be legislating in the correct direction. Right to repair, worker rights, environmental controls, making all phones use the same charger etc. if we keep up with them rather than follow the US and the freedom and small govt models we’ll be in a better place.
@Euphemistic: " if we keep up with them rather than follow the US"
and there it is.
We are off to play deputy sheriff in the ME as we speak. We are a co-opted puppet nation
@Protractor: Just because we play soldier in alliance with the US doesn’t mean we follow their business practices. Sure, they are a big influence, but so is Europe.
@Euphemistic: You are kidding. You have to be.You must be blind. Our culture is saturated and getting worse. When the soldier invasion reaches peak takeover .Look at TV trends. Food,(the most consumed type) clothing,shoes,tech,Halloween etc. The list is massive.Our politicians not only drive it, they want it. A few right wing govts away from gun culture creeping in. National gun laws are the 1st stage of that.
Our defence personnel are being absorbed for AUKUS and vice versa.Do you think jarheads are going to become Australians? LOL
There will be tens of thousands in NT,QLD SA and WA within 6 or 7 years.
@Protractor: I don’t deny we are getting drowned in US culture, it don’t agree that we’re bowing to their capitalist ways as much.
@Euphemistic: Then you must be totally ignoring the cogs churning relentless that are like leeches on the guts of our economy. Energy and mining alone are an anchor on the wealth we could have. We have gifted them their cultures survival by sacrificing ourselves economically,culturally and morally. They are all talk about freedom and democracy and all bully and thief in action.
@Protractor: Yeah mate. We’re all screwed. Nothing I do will make any difference. Might as well go buy all my stuff from Amazon and pledge my allegiance to Tesla so I can be first in line for the rewards when they take over.
@Euphemistic: The plebs won't feel a thing. When you are that dumb and deliberately numb, its' all just inevitable,painless reaming, and well earned.
Good 'nite, y'all.
Dolphin
Hayabusa
You know it makes sense
What's your price range?
Alfa Giulia Veloce is pretty pricey new, not sure what the used value you're looking to pay is. If you're looking in that luxury sports / sedan kind of space, I'd have a look at a BMW M340i. I'm about 90% decided on buying one myself in the new year. I had a test drive earlier this year and it is absolutely beautiful to drive.
Are you city or rural? Everyday car? Will you be towing etc etc. Not enough info really but by you car selection i will stereotype and say if you live in a major city or a large regional city you dont need to tow and when you go away you stay in hotels mostly. Is this going to be your main car?
In your case get a ev.
Used sports cars can be a bottomless pit. I have a Audi tt mk1 roadster i picked up cheap and its not costing me money yet but they have the potential for little and potentially expensive problems.
Outer suburbs. Small commute time and distance to work with the occasional further drive to city.
It will be a main car.
Have solar at home.
If after Alfa, some Tonale demos for about 50k on carsales
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