Carport Prices. What Would You Do?

iNeed2Pee on 07/12/2023 - 10:29
Last edited 07/12/2023 - 10:43

Got 4 quotes on a double carport.

Details:
8m by 7m Flat Roof, Colorbond steel by Bluescope.
6 skylights, some concrete cutting involved to locate and connect storm water on the fall side
Fly over brackets needed as not enough space on the existing gutters.
All other things inclusive such as permits, rubbish removal, etc. (Not including any dispensations that may arise)

Prices quoted.
$33,000, $32,500 and $33,500 for Stratco endorsed build by 3 different builders

$29,500 for Fielders Cent endorsed build. (After some discounts by the builder) (Was $35,000)

Honestly, I was a little taken aback by the prices but at the same time with the endless amount of price increases on materials and the fact that builders still need to make a living, I am not totally surprised.

Do I need a carport?> Yes I would like it, as we have no garage or cover for the cars but at that price? Ouch.

Honestly, I am torn and not sure if I should hold off and expect prices to eventually fall on those materials to hopefully bring it back down….

If anyone is in the industry, are these prices going to continue to climb? I cannot think of many people at the moment spending that much on builds like this…

I actually dont know what to do.

Home & Garden Carport

Comments

  • brendanm on 07/12/2023 - 10:32
    +51

    Wow what a rip off. Don't think I could justify one at that price.

    • iNeed2Pee on 07/12/2023 - 10:33
      +7

      I initially thought the first quote was taking the piss but when the others followed, it cemented those worries lol

      • brendanm on 07/12/2023 - 10:39
        +11

        I couldn't bring myself to pay it. You can get a good size shed for that price. Do it yourself.

        • iNeed2Pee on 07/12/2023 - 10:42
          +3

          Yeah my thoughts exactly currently.
          DIY of that project would be too significant, but if i went for a lower option, it would definitely make the house look cheap.
          As it currently stands no carport is better than a DIY one that isnt of the above specifics I am afraid.
          I am not very good when it comes to DIY, except I am a gun at caulking 😂

          • nocure on 07/12/2023 - 11:06
            +37

            @iNeed2Pee: Do your best, and silicone the rest

          • spackbace on 07/12/2023 - 12:14
            +4

            @iNeed2Pee: I heard you were good with the caulk

          • Salternative on 10/12/2023 - 09:55
            +5

            @iNeed2Pee: That is a pretty large carport though to be fair, the driveway where i park my 2 cars in tandem is 15.3 sq m( have a carport and garage in back of the block but cant be bothered with a 5 and 10 year old car ). , 56sqm is 4 times the size and would pretty much take over much of your frontage ( assuming capital city properties and not rural), had a mate put in a single carport for $4k i think a few months or so back I think, i still think your price is $8-$10 k over what it should be even accounting for the recent price rises , also seems like you are looking for a custom build which would blow up the cost. Might be better to look at Gabled roof with that large area.

        • netjock on 07/12/2023 - 13:06
          +3

          Good idea. Throw the shed in there instead.

          Get past council inspection.

          Then take out the side panels and you pretty much got a car port.

        • RTX9090Ti on 09/12/2023 - 07:26
          +2

          What about 2 of these? much cheaper.
          https://www.bunnings.com.au/marquee-charcoal-extendable-stee…?

      • pangwen on 07/12/2023 - 11:06
        +1

        I initially thought the first quote was taking the piss

        Username checks out

      • SydStrand on 09/12/2023 - 11:35

        It's unfortunately the reality. I recently looked into replacing an attached pergola around half that size and most quotes were in the $12-18k range. The Stratco was right in the middle, so it sounds about right. Pretty much everyone insinuated that prices were only going north after this year..

      • McFly on 10/12/2023 - 11:03

        Ironically making even your worries more expensive.

      • zond on 12/12/2023 - 11:22

        Rip off! Buy an used shipping container (single) if you have space for it, or if not trim the extra ones and sell to the junk collectors. I might have seen 3/4K used to get you good condition containers. Way better than 33k

    • HeWhoKnows on 08/12/2023 - 07:53
      +2

      I thought $10,000 would have easily "covered it"

    • kiwimex on 11/12/2023 - 08:39

      A rip off based on what? You guesstimating. The fact the poster has 4 quotes and all fairly similar prices, proves its not a rip off and what the general cost is.

      • brendanm on 11/12/2023 - 12:13
        +1

        It's a rip off to me, as I could do it for far less.

  • Some Human on 07/12/2023 - 10:32
    +7

    DIY?

    • geekcohen on 07/12/2023 - 10:54

      DIY with some laserlite on the roof (even tin), wooden and could do it cheaply for sure!

    • iNeed2Pee on 07/12/2023 - 10:59

      I will look into it but the majority of DIY designs I have seen don't stack up with what I am looking at.
      On top of that, I am not a good DIY expert and would prefer to not make a mess.
      I guess in saying that I was still not expecting the price above haha

    • Jimothy Wongingtons on 07/12/2023 - 18:32
      +13

      Oh no English side ruined! Must use French side!

      Le carport?
      What the hell is that?!

    • Dsiee on 09/12/2023 - 08:27

      Yeah buy a kit with the insulated roof panels and ditch the skylights which will look like shit in a few tm years anyway.

  • ForkSnorter on 07/12/2023 - 10:40
    +2

    That's typical nowadays, and that's just a basic carport. A nice one, with a nice entrance and nice roof, costs $80k.

    • netjock on 07/12/2023 - 13:04
      +2

      Sounds like 1/5 of a very big house

        • youknow on 09/12/2023 - 11:48
          +3

          @candlelarbra5212, in fairness, you could have built a largish house with fairly basic spec for 400k even 4 years ago. Now it's basically double.
          The whole intergenerational blame game is not helpful (in all directions).

          • candlelarbra5212 on 09/12/2023 - 16:02

            @youknow: I am not blaming him for anything. Just laughing at his uninformed opinion.

          • locknuts on 13/12/2023 - 07:59

            @youknow: I built a 4 bed 2 bath freestanding investment property for just over $200k in 2017 (not including land of course). A $80k carport 6 years later just seems ridiculous.

        • netjock on 09/12/2023 - 11:55
          +1

          Just a house, not including land

          Plus you got to be flexible with materials

        • netjock on 09/12/2023 - 17:46
          +1

          boomer

          If you look at the kind of houses most boomers lived in that they bought for $200k and now worth $1.2m you'd notice most of them are more like 3BR, 1 lounge, 1 bath and they are tiny like 8sq (which is more like 73.6m2 which is half the size of an average home now).

          If you want to build to that floor space and level of facilities and fittings you'd be able to do it in under $200k. No joke.

          • candlelarbra5212 on 09/12/2023 - 22:48
            -4

            @netjock: Yeah all those houses that could be built for 200k but aren't because 'people these days have too high standards'. You have no clue about the modern housing industry and what it's like. You're an out of date dinosaur. People can't buy a house for 200k. Go on, use your qualifications and break down the costs.

            • blitz on 09/12/2023 - 23:53
              +5

              @candlelarbra5212: To build a house with at least a few bedrooms, $400K should do it. Might vary a little bit by state, but @netjock was right. Not the land, mind you, but then again OP is also not talking about buying the land either - only the carport. @Netjock is right.

              • candlelarbra5212 on 10/12/2023 - 06:04
                -6

                @blitz: No he isn't ad he keeps changing his argument. Now he's saying it can be done for 200k. He's off with fairies.

                • netjock on 10/12/2023 - 09:11
                  +1

                  @candlelarbra5212: Google is your friend. It isn't just me saying it. Source attached at the bottom

                  If you use the below for $200k at $3k per m2 you'd get 66m2 which is a 3BR with 1 toilet which is pretty much the 8sq I am living in right now. I have seen a contract signed 8 months ago 15m2 single story for $250k 3BR, 2 bath and garage.

                  Quote:

                  IAccording to HiPages, the average cost to build a 4-bedroom house in 2023 is $2,400/m2 for a 4-bedroom brick veneer single-level project home on a level block using mid-range finishes; or $3,900+/m2 for an architect-designed 4-bedroom full brick, two-level home on a level block using top quality finishes

                  source

                  • candlelarbra5212 on 10/12/2023 - 13:31

                    @netjock: Did you read you're own source lol? Let me quote it to you.

                    "The average price of a house in Australia’s combined capital cities in June 2023 was $882,006. The median unit price in the capital cities was $629,862, while the median dwelling value in regional areas is $586,645."

                    it's also hilarious you think 66m2 is large enough for a 3 bed 1 bathroom family home. That's the size of a large 1 bedroom unit or very small 2 bedroom unit. You just keep making this house smaller and smaller to fit your argument instead of admitting you underestimated how much it actually costs in the real world. So out of touch. Such a boomer.

                    • blitz on 11/12/2023 - 15:36
                      +2

                      @candlelarbra5212:

                      "The average price of a house in Australia’s combined capital cities in June 2023 was $882,006

                      Ugh. That's to buy the land also. OP isn't talking about buying the land. They already own the land. READ.

                      • candlelarbra5212 on 11/12/2023 - 18:29
                        -2

                        @blitz: I did. That source also said the average build cost was over 450k. Perhaps a dose of your own medicine is in order?

        • smartazz104 on 11/12/2023 - 08:16
          +1

          Houses are "cheap"; land is expensive…

      • youknow on 09/12/2023 - 11:42
        +1

        Sadly, you are not going to build a "big house" for $400k any more. :(

        • netjock on 09/12/2023 - 11:56

          depends on what you define as BIG.

          I like in 8sq. Anything more than 10sq is big.

          • youknow on 09/12/2023 - 12:20

            @netjock: @netjock, sqares = 100 sq foot =~9.3 sqm?
            If so, i dont think many people would consider 93sqm a big house these days. OPs carport is 56sqm
            But yes, you could still build a 100sqm house for under 400k.

            • netjock on 09/12/2023 - 17:27

              @youknow:

              @netjock, sqares = 100 sq foot =~9.3 sqm?

              I have no idea which country you pretend to be in.

              sq = squares which in build terms means the below.

              What’s the difference between square meters and squares? Now we start getting a little more complicated. Square meters are most often used for measuring areas of homes, but squares are still a common unit of measurement.

              9.290304 sqm = 1 square

              1 sqm = 0.1076391041670972 square

              source

              A friend of mine is just getting certificate of occupancy for 15sq which started 8 months ago for $250k in Melbourne. But it was basically builder said hands off, no funny business no alterations we are building to a price.

              Problem with people is you're asking bespoke designs and customised work. Not just a few little changes but all this time adds up and you're going to get culled like pigs.

              I am in Cert IV construction and in class with a lot of tradies. (I got a Bachelors, Grad Dip and MBA) If you want an endless pit of money then try it with custom designs. If you want to get away with your finances still alive you actually need to speak to your builder before the architect designs it and see what is easier to do. Otherwise you have architects that think they are building a legacy to their intelligence and passing it to people who finished high school trying to build stuff from designs of people who did a masters degree.

              • us3rnam3tak3n on 10/12/2023 - 14:16

                @netjock: Why would an Aussie builder work in a unit derived from square feet? I've only ever been quoted in square metres.

                • netjock on 10/12/2023 - 15:36
                  -3

                  @us3rnam3tak3n: I think you get m2 and square meters (9.3m2) confused. It is like getting exchange rate from AUD/USD by converting AUD/GBP and GBP/USD.

                  Building industry talks square meters as an easier way to express a large number of m2.

                  It is like financial statements there is $, $'000, $'m, $'bn

                  But obviously you know better.

                  • youknow on 10/12/2023 - 15:59
                    +6

                    @netjock: No @netjock, you're the one who is confused.
                    1sqm is the same as 1m2.
                    1 square, as used in housing historically, is 100 square feet, which equates to roughly 9.3sqm or 9.3m2 (how ever you like to write it).
                    There's nothing wrong with using the term squares in building, but most people in the last 20 years wouldn't use that term/measurement.

                    • netjock on 10/12/2023 - 18:30
                      -3

                      @youknow: You are just be intentionally difficult here because obviously you lost the argument of how much it costs to build a house.

                      I obviously used the term squares which is 9.3m2. Where as you all seem to think it has to do with square feet which is something that wouldn't be used in the modern context. Maybe you two need to get a room with a time machine in it for two.

                      If you follow the source of the quote it explains it all. You two obviously don't google, don't read or just refuse to read and pretend there is some kind of conspiracy I am peddling against you.

                      • youknow on 10/12/2023 - 18:57

                        @netjock: Sigh, ok. If it makes you feel better.
                        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_(unit)
                        "The square is an Imperial unit of area that is used in the construction industry in the United States and Canada,[1] and was historically used in Australia. One square is equal to 100 square feet."
                        I agreed that you could build a house by your definition (10 square) for under 400k. However i made the point that most would not consider this a "very big house". But you do you :)

                  • candlelarbra5212 on 11/12/2023 - 12:44

                    @netjock: You think 1 square metre is the same as 9.3 m2? Lol. Still clueless.

                    • netjock on 11/12/2023 - 13:10
                      -3

                      @candlelarbra5212: You are just debating nuances. You know nothing about the cost of building because obviously got culled.

                      If you'd stop living in your own echo chamber and take advice onboard obviously wouldn't get culled with over priced quotes.

                      • candlelarbra5212 on 11/12/2023 - 14:03

                        @netjock: Yeah it's the industry and market that's wrong. It's your own source that disproves your point that's wrong.

                        Not some random that thinks 1 square metre is the same as 9.3 m2. That's not just semantics. That's a you have no clue what you're talking about.

                        • netjock on 11/12/2023 - 14:06
                          -2

                          @candlelarbra5212:

                          Not some random that thinks 1 square metre is the same as 9.3 m2

                          Look up above. I said 8sq. There was never an 'm' after 'sq' you need to stop adding stuff on to make an argument.

                  • us3rnam3tak3n on 11/12/2023 - 14:59

                    @netjock: I'm not confused about the units. Anyone who passed grade 5 maths could follow that.

                    I am a little confused about why you are using archaic/foreign units of measure in a discussion about building in Australia though.

                    I didn't neg you btw, despite your patronising reply.

                    edit:

                    square meters (9.3m2)

                    square metres = metres squared
                    You're confusing yourself by bringing "squares" into the conversation. Back to grade 5 maths for you.

                    • netjock on 11/12/2023 - 16:21
                      -5

                      @us3rnam3tak3n:

                      I didn't neg you btw, despite your patronising reply.

                      Nobody cares about negs. You have added zero value to this conversation.

                      despite your patronizing reply.

                      You replied to me first with patronising reply. Maybe have a read the thread. You add zero value.

                      Anyone who passed grade 5 maths could follow that

                      Who is patronizing?

                      I am a little confused

                      I am a little bit confused at what value you are adding? Like when you write an essay / document and you define what you the units it doesn't matter. It is just you can't get your head around using different units of measure you decide that it is wrong and you are right.

                      • us3rnam3tak3n on 11/12/2023 - 16:54

                        @netjock: Like I said, you're the only one who can't seem to understand different units of measure, which is ironic given that you're the one who introduced non metric.

                        I think you get m2 and square meters (9.3m2) confused

                        This is just factually wrong. Everyone else gets it. Stop embarrassing yourself.

                        • netjock on 11/12/2023 - 23:23
                          -3

                          @us3rnam3tak3n: You are embarrassing yourself without any added value. Just here to debate rats and mice while the elephants are getting away.

  • mitt on 07/12/2023 - 10:48
    +2

    Yeah I was looking into a similar thing. I wanted a simple flat roof up against a brick wall & the quotes were madness. Decided to DIY when I get the time.

  • geekcohen on 07/12/2023 - 10:53
    +14

    Best Sheds ? Starting from $3,775 for a kit……

    You can get a massive shed from them for like $20k.

    $33,000, $32,500 and $33,500 for Stratco endorsed build by 3 different builders

    I couldn't justify a carport at that price.

    • coffeeinmyveins on 07/12/2023 - 11:00
      +4

      it's almost like you're paying for the labor.

      • geekcohen on 07/12/2023 - 11:07
        +7

        I should change jobs then if the labor is that good! Just less of $30k a job? I could do 1 a week and live a very comfortable life, even if I had to pay someone else to help me.

        I could then invest in high yield vehicles…… or become a Landlord…… oh wait, there are so many OzB horror stories for both topics.

        • coffeeinmyveins on 07/12/2023 - 11:08

          you do realise that $30k isn't net profit and includes paying more than one person to do the job and materials, right?

          • geekcohen on 07/12/2023 - 11:10
            +9

            @coffeeinmyveins: Yes, I do. But if you can get materials for $3,775, $30k less a little bit isn't bad…… Even less some materials, could come out of it with $20k profit…. ish…..

            • richmond12 on 09/12/2023 - 16:07
              -2

              @geekcohen: Do you have the skills, experience to do it right the first time with no mistake or wastage and the tools?

          • Andy b on 07/12/2023 - 13:49
            -1

            @coffeeinmyveins: only one person required

        • JIMB0 on 08/12/2023 - 10:39
          +2

          If you think they're overpaid then do a trade yourself and undercut them.

      • Protractor on 07/12/2023 - 11:07
        -5

        "it's almost like you're paying for the labor Party.

      • mapax on 07/12/2023 - 11:10
        +24

        Yep, labour is expensive.

        Stop being ridiculous OP. Tradies need to pay bills too.
        Just pay them the money, the tradies probably need a new boat and their vapid wives definitely need a new $3000 hand bag, you wouldn’t want them go without, would you?

        • Protractor on 07/12/2023 - 11:11
          +25

          "the tradies probably need a new boat matching RAM shopping trolley for the missus"

        • compound on 09/12/2023 - 03:36
          +5

          I've heard a lot of tradies use that argument.
          I mean anyone can use that argument to extort people…dentist, lawyers, electrician, teachers etc…

  • Protractor on 07/12/2023 - 10:57
    +14

    I think they mean airport

  • coffeeinmyveins on 07/12/2023 - 11:09
    +2

    Unfortunately this is the state of things with anything building related. I don't see this going away anytime soon, so if you're thinking to hold off, you'll be waiting for a while (or forever).

    • Protractor on 07/12/2023 - 11:13
      +32

      My additional advice is don't go in thinking that because the price is almost extortionate, that the workmanship will be high

      • iNeed2Pee on 07/12/2023 - 11:30

        That is a very very good point. 30k sounds like I should be getting a premium and I totally get what you mean.

      • brendanm on 07/12/2023 - 19:10
        +37

        Very true. My workmate has just had a house build completed, I think about $900k, and it's a pile of crap. No one cares anymore.

        • iNeed2Pee on 08/12/2023 - 00:12
          +4

          Not sure who negged you considering its the truth.

        • notfrodo on 10/12/2023 - 10:55

          900k just for the construction?! That better be some house.

          • brendanm on 10/12/2023 - 11:15
            +1

            @notfrodo: It is, in theory. In practice, corners were cut and f ups made all over the place.

            • notfrodo on 10/12/2023 - 11:18

              @brendanm: I suddenly dont feel so bad about my 400k house

  • sumyungguy on 07/12/2023 - 11:13
    +12

    You already have the slab? Have you considered a solar carport? Seems you can get an 8m x 8m skillion kit (no panels) for $7K

  • ass3ts on 07/12/2023 - 11:28
    +1

    I find carports in Japan have much better styles and space efficiency than the ones here. They also use half the number of posts but still able to withstand earthquakes and typhoons.

    • banana365 on 10/12/2023 - 15:19

      Sounds interesting. Do you know any sites I could see examples? I've always found Japanese house design to be fascinating as they seem to have different drivers than the typical Australian builders (not just the space constraints, aesthetics and usability too).

  • garetz on 07/12/2023 - 11:47
    +10

    With current market conditions alot of industries and trades have become scams.

  • Minimum chips on 07/12/2023 - 12:04
    +3

    If you're in a tropical area of Australia, maybe a shade sail instead? Some benefit of the carport but much lower material costs. I'm guessing those skylights are a significant cost and shade sail lets some light through.

    Might be out of place in some enviornments though.

    • Euphemistic on 07/12/2023 - 12:07
      +2

      Skylights could just mean translucent plastic panel instead of colorbond panel.

  • Drakesy on 07/12/2023 - 12:07
    +27

    Welcome to 2023, i've be in project management and this is pretty standard, builds that would've cost $15-20k doubled in the space of a year. IMHO there's still too much funny money and builders are just blatantly profiteering and sending pisstake quotes out.

    Next thing you know they're going bust because no one is forking out the extortionate prices and they're crying poor.
    Literally shooting themselves in the foot.

    • Protractor on 07/12/2023 - 12:49
      +4

      I think you're correct. Put a ridiculous cost on jobs, if they accept just do it and the other suckers similar jobs on bits/pieces cycle.

      I wish the senate would have an enquiry into builders price gouging, (same as the supermarket one).Some state enquiries have already discovered that major home builders have taken on too much causing multi year delays and business collapse.If ever there was an area that justified scrutiny it's building. A really comprehensive clean out. And as for the HIA BS self regulation and std building insurance ,it's a joke.Building contracts basically allow the builder to take possession of the site.If you complain too much they dare you to tear up the contract, suck it up, or they walk away. No penalty for this stand-over system at all. Loss of license just = change the business name rinse and repeat.
      Post covid every business model has tried it on.Post supply shortages ending, most of them kept it on.

      • CocaKoala on 11/12/2023 - 10:55
        +1

        If ever there was an area that justified scrutiny it's building.

        Don't forget REA, most of whom are just lying lazy scum.

        • Protractor on 11/12/2023 - 11:05

          Trainee politicians

    • netjock on 07/12/2023 - 13:05
      +21

      The only people who have sympathy for builders and tradies are themselves.

      Half the labor cost is them not knowing how to do something and having to do it twice (if they get lucky the second time)

      • AustriaBargain on 09/12/2023 - 15:38

        Robots will be doing basic construction soon enough and a minimum wage geek will babysit them remotely.

        • netjock on 10/12/2023 - 18:33

          I looked up automatic brick laying machines which there is only 2 companies in the world.

          Once which uses a boom with a special arm and special mortar and you need to program in the plans and it doesn't work too well in confined spaces.

          The other works in confined spaces but doesn't work too well with windows or around corners.

          There is also concrete printed houses but I don't see a lot of people warming to the idea.

          I am not against robots and other methods but it seems harder because most of the builders and tradies are actually high school graduates (just pass) and find it hard to get their head around stuff.

          • AustriaBargain on 10/12/2023 - 18:38

            @netjock: Australia has a massive construction labour shortage and that shortage will probably be around for decades. Dubai imports masses of near slave labour for their construction, which isn't sustainable because everyone knows about it. It has to be inevitable that robot construction is coming soon. Even if it means a human labourer setting up the robot for tasks and supervising the robots all day, it would still save money and speed up construction.

            • netjock on 11/12/2023 - 12:12

              @AustriaBargain: If you commoditize construction then yes. See how the 20ft and 40ft container changed the world.

              Henry Ford said everyone can have a model T long as it is black but does everyone drive black cars now? Nobody wants cookie cutter design homes. That is why it is so expensive because people want to personalise.

              When Australia last constructed a lot of cheap housing for WWII veterans it was basically the same design.

              If you want robots to build a house then you also need a much more educated workforce. The cost of actually putting a few engineers onsite would negate any savings you might get.

              • AustriaBargain on 11/12/2023 - 12:23

                @netjock: Please, all new houses already look the same, they all basically look like this https://imgur.com/ATSy9Hi

                Because if you deviate from an already approved house plan to have something original, you need to pay an architect to approve it. These cookie cutter house designs have already been approved. Nobody wants to personalise, that's a luxury for the wealthy. Property investors already hate new builds compared to existing builds, there's no way an investor is going to pay for a personalised house design. That's something only rich people on Grand Designs do when building their dream house.

      • BuddhaBoy on 11/12/2023 - 07:44

        …..and the Union.

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