Hi guys I'm self learning web dev currently focusing on React and NodeJS.
2 simple questions for you geeks and other nerds :
are those 2 frameworks mentioned above viable options if i want to pursue a career in web development in Australia or should I add other skills / languages / frameworks before starting to apply for junior positions ?
are there currently a lot of junior opportunities or is everyone getting laid off like in the US ?
cheers fellas
I know someone who does web dev for a small chain of stores in Adelaide, their website sells high markup things. Has him working full time. He hates the job though, but it pays for his family to live and is pretty straightforward for him because he knows it inside and out. Some jobs you can't really offshore, they will always want it done in house.
Some jobs you can't really offshore, they will always want it done in house.
100%, depends on the business.
I worked for an agency and we tried offshore and it never worked very well, it was a nightmare.
I work for a business now with 100% offshore, my boss and I are the only ones onshore. He is in SYD and I am in Regional VIC, it works pretty well. Just sometimes the timezones suck.
I know someone who does web dev for a small chain of stores in Adelaide, their website sells high markup things. Has him working full time. He hates the job though, but it pays for his family to live and is pretty straightforward for him because he knows it inside and out.
100%, sadly that does happen after several years. Smaller businesses have no growth and it becomes crap. You just don't enjoy it, been there and moved on which was the best thing I did and now enjoy work.
or is everyone getting laid off like in the US ?
But no more mean tweets right?
Elon's a clown, but the tech layoffs are happening all over the place.
It's basically a massive market correction. A lot of the roles in tech were ludicrously overpaid 'make-work' nonsense (my favourite example is still the Facebook jobs where they were literally paid to just not be available to Facebook's competitors), and made possible by equally-ludicrous nonstop funding by VCs with no return (sometimes even negative ROI). However, as our countries head towards recession, the infinite-money glitch is coming to a halt, and these tech companies are realising that they actually have to start turning a profit and can't just prop themselves up with the idea of "eventually being worth something if the VCs keep the money tap on for another few years". Hence many of these companies have started thinning their ranks, which they never should have populated as much as they did anyway.
It's basically a massive cognitive dissonance…
FTFY.
as our countries head towards recession…
You'll continue to make excuses for the people and their terrible policies who cause it. But no more mean tweets so it's worth it right?
clown ?
Racism and sexual discrimination is not funny and the many deaths caused by Teslas fraudulent claims about being an autopilot are not a joke.
But no more mean tweets right?
What is this referring to?
The big companies like banks etc might use react, few if any would use NodeJS for most of the systems.
Its all a question of numbers, sure there are a few websites at the CommBank for internal or external systems, but the vast majority of their systems are Java followed by .Net.
If that sort of security and pay means something then i have answered your question.
I'm self learning web dev currently focusing on React and NodeJS
Congrats, that is becoming more a want in Web Dev Jobs.
are those 2 frameworks mentioned above viable options if i want to pursue a career in web development in Australia or should I add other skills / languages / frameworks before starting to apply for junior positions ?
Yes, but you should always be learning. Looking at all forms of DEV and becoming a Full Stack Developer. Web DEVs never stop learning.
are there currently a lot of junior opportunities or is everyone getting laid off like in the US ?
Swings and roundabouts, it is happening everywhere and depends on the business you work for.
I am in the Web Dev space myself, so feel free to PM me if you want advice or have any questions.
thank you! Are you using React yourself in your daily tasks ?
No, that isn't something that I have learnt but would like to. My previous and current roles don't have that at the moment.
But, if you look at jobs on SEEK, it is often list in Job Descriptions.
or should I add other skills / languages / frameworks before starting to apply for junior positions ?
Specific languages aren't quite as important as being somewhat competent in whatever you're doing. The main thing is understanding the logic behind programming, which is fairly universal.
Get decent with something or another so you can get a bit of experience building something half interesting. React is a solid choice, stick with it and don't slow yourself down trying to learn Node at the same time. If you need it later, it'll be much easier to pick up from scratch if you've already mastered something else.
Also do a few smaller bits and pieces in python and java and .net or whatever else, just to familiarise yourself with the syntax of other languages.
After all that, you'll likely end up in a junior role that uses something completely different, and you'll work it out on the job.
true it's a bit overwhelming to combine both front end and back end at the same time.
I'm following the Odin Project's curriculum which emphasises on React then Node as part of their full stack dev course yet my goal is to find a junior front end dev position first and expand knowledge from there cheers
For that combo (React + NodeJS) there are a lot of opportunities in the smaller companies, but not a lot in the banks or govt (mostly .net or java there). React is getting quite a bit of usage in a lot of Fed Govt sites though.
If you're a junior looking for a job, the most valuable things you can have are:
Irrational amounts of enthusiasm for technology - doesn't matter if it's android, iOS, flutter, react, nodejs, python, rust, web3, AI/LLM, or whatever - just that you can demonstrate your enthusiasm for wanting to apply technology to find solutions to problems.
Ability to learn anything as you go. Most specific technologies that you learn today will be obsolete in 3-5 years time. Smart companies know it and look to hire people that they know will adapt and grow with the company.
Of course you could always just go balls-deep into .Net, Azure, SQL server, etc and get a cushy commonwealth government contract job, and cry yourself to sleep at night on your stacks of money.
thanks for your message. I do have the enthusiasm and am eager to learn more everyday, something I never really encountered in previous work experiences.
I'm ready to switch to other frameworks like Angular as I met people still using it instead of React however I never dived into .Net or azure, perhaps in the future!
Focus more on learning about the language, eg JavaScript or Typescript, than just the framework because frameworks come and go because everyone is opinionated 😂… learn how to map out your thinking in sequence diagrams too, how to do pseudo code to solve complex problems so even if you don’t know the best syntax, you can talk about how you’d solve it and how you’d handle edge cases etc.
I’ve been a software engineer since 2003 and started off with html/css/js/PHP/mysql then moved on to Java/jsp/jquery, then react/node, then angular/node/python/postgres and now react/node (all typescript) as an engineering manager. I’ve never worked government and hope to never have to 😂
My company has been through 3 rounds of redundancy in the last year (including a merger), so it’s pretty rough at the moment 😂…
Most companies I’ve worked in though haven’t had that many junior devs because it requires a lot of work usually. But if you are personable and willing to learn, and interested in solving problems, you’ll do well.
Look at seek.com.au
Everyone is getting laid