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Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2TB PCIe Gen 3 NVMe M.2 2280 SSD $145.98 (2 For $271.52) Delivered @ Amazon UK via AU

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Controller: Samsung Elpis
Memory: Samsung V-NAND 3-bit 128L TLC
DRAM Cache: Samsung 2GB LPDDR4
Sequential Read: 3500 MB/s
Sequential Write: 3300 MB/s
Random Read: 620,000 IOPS
Random Write: 560,000 IOPS
Endurance (TBW): 1200 TB
Warranty: 5 Years

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  • netsurfer on 28/08/2023 - 22:19
    +3

    There are quite a few reviews for the older batches 970 Evo Plus based on Samsung Phoenix controller. So when reading reviews, check the controller mentioned in the reviews, Phoenix and Elpis batches don't behave the same. Generally, the Elpis batch is better for most people, unless you really care about sustained write.

    • Sleepycat3 on 29/08/2023 - 07:11
      +3

      Elpis or Phoenix, it doesn't matter as the 970 Evo is popular because of its reliability, not its performance.

      • Bedgrub on 29/08/2023 - 17:41

        Reliability in terms of TBW, or something else?

  • vid_ghost on 28/08/2023 - 23:15
    +1

    This is a better option for the way better power efficacy alone. Next time its on sale
    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/795553

    • netsurfer on 29/08/2023 - 00:10
      +1

      It has that usual SK Hynix SSD characteristics. Power efficiency is best in class, thermal (for some reason) isn't top notch.

      After writing roughly 400GB of data to the SSD, write performance started to gracefully degrade after surpassing the thermal throttle point (83-84C according to the SSD’s S.M.A.R.T. data).

      Another thing is Tom's Hardware reviewed Samsung Phoenix version of 970 Evo Plus, but Elpis version does better in majority of benchmark tests. So, what we see in Gold P31's review isn't a correct comparison. StorageReview also tested Phoenix controller version so its conclusion on 970 Evo Plus being a better choice may not necessary be accurate.

      Also, this bit in Tom's Hardware

      We let the drive sit idle, but it didn’t recover any of the dynamic cache within the allocated 30-minute window. Instead, it only recovered the small static cache.

      There are pros and cons with that approach.

      • patrick321 on 29/08/2023 - 10:21

        So which do you guys think is better for laptops? Samsung 970 2TB (Elpis), SK Hynix P31 2TB or forget them both and go for the Samsung 990 2TB.
        I was very close to going for the SK Hynix P31 2TB but didn't pull the trigger. I thought thermal was best on P31 until I read above.

        • fastnet on 29/08/2023 - 12:31
          +2

          Get the SK if it's a laptop, the Samsung runs hot even at idle.

          The only exception is if it's a well cooled laptop - I once had a 970 Evo Plus in a Razer Blade 17 and it ran cooler than in other laptops (this laptop has 3 fan though).

        • netsurfer on 29/08/2023 - 13:07
          +1

          Basically, no SSD is good at everything and there are compromises in each of them. P31 Gold is power efficient and has good sustained write. However, as I mentioned previously, its setup has its pros and cons.

          It uses a more traditional setup and doesn't do aggressive SLC recovery. Thing is, while that does help providing a more consistent sustained write, it does push the TLC NAND when doing writes. Writes generate heat. On the other hand, there is the power efficiency side which is tempting for people wanting to get it for laptop.

          P31 Gold is fine if you don't write 400GB of data in one go regularly. It is unlikely you would do that on a laptop anyway. However, if you are really after an SSD that runs really cool in a laptop, you essentially need to go for a slower SSD. Between P31 Gold and 970 Evo Plus 2TB, I reckon 970 Evo Plus 2TB runs a bit cooler (because the new Elpis batch's sustained write is inferior). That said, neither is what I would consider great for laptops, temperature wise.

          • patrick321 on 29/08/2023 - 15:59

            @netsurfer: Yes not black and white as it depends on lots of factors, how it's used, laptop build , CPU temps .

            I have given up caring if it's PCIe gen 4 as by the time I need gen 4 they will have moved on to gen 5 and also hopefully better cooling technology.
            But if a gen 4 runs cooler or better on a gen 3 slot then will go for the gen 4.

            That said, neither is what I would consider great for laptops, temperature wise.

            what would you consider better for a laptop?

        • jpeg-jpg on 29/08/2023 - 15:07
          +1

          thermals don't really matter on an SSD. As long as the drive stays in the safe operating range, you should be fine. P31 may run warm but there hasn't been any issues so far being put in a laptop. What you want is efficiency especially at idle, as your drive will be close to or at idle most of the time in a real world scenario. P31 has superior idle power usage, which can lead to better battery life.

          • netsurfer on 29/08/2023 - 15:21
            +1

            @jpeg-jpg: When thermal throttled, the write performance will drop to allow the SSD to cool down. Read performance may also drop (depending on the temperature).

            Idle power consumption, the thing is, laptop tests need to be done differently. Have a look at AnandTech's test on laptop idle power consumption chart:

            SSD - Laptop idle power consumption

            P31 Gold 1TB: 3mW, 970 Evo Plus 1TB: 4mW. 1mW difference, your laptop is going to lose 1 hour of battery life over that? I guess it can be interpreted as 33% improvement. It's easy to get excited with desktop power consumption results (which no doubt P31 Gold is top notch). However, laptops need to be tested differently. This is the thing with SSD reviews, it is easy to look at one result and interpret it as being applicable in all situations.

            I am aware P31 Gold 2TB is more energy efficient than the 1TB version, but is it likely to be 1mW idle on a laptop? Desktop power consumption, hands down P31 Gold is awesome. Laptop idle power consumption, from AnandTech's results, for some reason, it doesn't top the chart (still beats SSDs in the same tier though). It is also unsafe to use desktop thermal results and assume the same results for laptops.

          • patrick321 on 29/08/2023 - 16:02

            @jpeg-jpg: Thanks for the feedback. :)
            One of my important reasons to keep temps as low as possible is for longevity as heat destroys electronics over time. For my setup battery is secondary as I don't use battery very often, will be different for others.

            • netsurfer on 29/08/2023 - 16:19

              @patrick321: The main thing with wanting to keep the temperature down is you essentially will end up picking a SSD that's slower in writes. SN570 is one example. I am not saying get that, but just as an example, it is DRAMless and unless you get the 2TB version, the dynamic SLC cache is small. Also, the price currently for 2TB isn't great (higher than this one).

              It also depends on your laptops. Some laptops already have some form of heat spreader or heatsink, then temperature may not be an issue. Also, if you don't actually write a lot of data regularly to the SSD, the SSD probably won't thermal throttle.

              • patrick321 on 30/08/2023 - 11:46

                @netsurfer: I think it is a balancing act, I am trying to find the SSD with a reasonable temperature but the best speed possible.

                I am purchasing a used laptop which has a heat spreader on the ssd so this will help.
                Unfortunately with the CPU's getting faster now they are generating more heat also so I expect the whole laptop to run hotter (according to what I have read about the laptop.)

                Also from what I have heard things coming out of china will be getting cheaper soon so this may lower the price of SSD's further. So I am in no hurry to purchase.

              • patrick321 on 04/09/2023 - 18:57

                @netsurfer: Is there any way to confirm this model is Elpis controller, I see no info on the website. I don't want to get stuck with the Phoenix.

      • bjt on 29/08/2023 - 10:35

        It has that usual SK Hynix SSD characteristics. Power efficiency is best in class, thermal (for some reason) isn't top notch.

        Huh? Do you own a P31?

        • netsurfer on 29/08/2023 - 12:56

          I own a faster SK Hynix one which generates even more heat.

          • bjt on 29/08/2023 - 23:04

            @netsurfer: The p41 and p31 have different power draw characteristics though.

  • Brrrrt on 29/08/2023 - 02:54
    +1

    need me my 70$ 1tb evo plus deals

  • JinWu on 29/08/2023 - 07:45
    +1

    How does this one compare to Crucial P5 Plus PCIe Gen 4 M.2 2280?

    • reader64 on 29/08/2023 - 14:09
      +2

      The P5 is a vastly better drive

      but your paying upwards of 25 dollars more

      The p5 is a gen 4 drive that can do 7000mb

      This is a pci gen 3 maxes out at about 3600mbit

      and also about 180,000 less IOs per second

  • johnkash on 29/08/2023 - 09:38

    I literally ended up using a P3 plus for my OS drive and my Samsung 980 M.2 NVME which I bought later on as my secondary drive

  • bigmicka on 29/08/2023 - 11:58

    I had one just delivered from Computer Alliance for $170. Ah well.

  • nandystam on 29/08/2023 - 12:16

    Not really up to speed with NVMe SSDs, but I'm looking for some secondary storage for a Mac via USB-C NVMe enclosure. Is this a good choice vs others in this price range?

    • netsurfer on 29/08/2023 - 13:16

      Depends. 970 Evo Plus (Elpis) does well in reads and USB-C 3.2 gen 2 runs in PCIe gen 3 x2 mode. Writes, using SLC cache is good, outside SLC cache, due to foldback write, is acceptable. However, if you want close to 1000MB/s writes throughout, then you need to get other ones (old Phoenix batch would be able to do that, but you cannot get them brand new anymore, though Phoenix batch is slower in reads).

      Thunderbolt enclosure, 970 Evo Plus (Elpis) is still fine, writes (once the SLC cache is used up) aren't very good. Thunderbolt 3/4 operates on PCIe gen 3 x4 mode. So, generally, there is no real need to go PCIe gen 4 x4, unless you think the more aggressive SLC cache and (if it is a flagship PCIe gen 4 x4 SSD) it can provide better overall sustained write - even though technically, the SSD with the best overall full drive sustained write currently belongs to an MLC SSD supporting PCIe gen 3 x4.

      Remember to format the SSD to APFS. Don't use FAT32 because that will affect the performance, especially at high queue depth.

      • nandystam on 29/08/2023 - 14:08

        Thanks for the feedback. I'm coming from storing data on 2.5" HDDs, so any of these SSDs are going to be a significant improvement. Ideally I just want something that is going last, and I'm not doing video editing or anything where regular sustained writes are needed.

        I guess my only concern with the Samsung was heat, but a decent enough enclosure should help dissipate that.

        • Mostly Fanless on 29/08/2023 - 15:47

          Perhaps consider a T7 shield, by the time you get a decent enclosure it works out about the same: https://www.amazon.com.au/Samsung-Shield-Portable-SSD-MU-PE2…

        • netsurfer on 29/08/2023 - 15:57
          +1

          T7 Shield is good (note: T7 Shield is much better than T7 in terms of sustained writes). T7 Shield's sustained write is likely to be better than the current batch of 970 Evo Plus. That form factor, you would expect Samsung to keep the thermal under control.

          DIY ones, you may want to put in a heat spreader on top of the controller if you have heavy write usage. DIY route could be cheaper, but thermal is not as good. It's a pity Thunderbolt enclosures cost too much. Most of those enclosures tend to be bigger since Thunderbolt 3/4 runs at a faster speed so the SSD needs better heat dissipation.

          • nandystam on 29/08/2023 - 16:36

            @netsurfer: I've thought the T7 shield but the internal is some kind of custom PCB (unless I'm mistaken?) so you can't really swap NVMe modules in and out if one dies. I'd prefer flexibility over having a single use device.

            • netsurfer on 29/08/2023 - 17:26

              @nandystam: T7 Shield uses an ASMedia USB chipset. It is a custom board, found a tear down video:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2KJADHXAL4

              Looks like it has a Pablo controller based SSD inside (S4LR033). If you want to swap the NVMe SSD inside an enclosure from time to time, then DIY route is better. However, Samsung's board is likely to have better quality and the board looks larger and the case is bigger. Most cheap DIY cases are quite small (save cost).

  • BargainKen on 29/08/2023 - 12:57

    Good all-rounder of a drive with a few solid runs on the board.

  • reader64 on 29/08/2023 - 14:12
    +1

    DRIVE:G Total Data written 1077TB

    I've got a 970 evo 1tb drive used,to cache all my download from NZB and uhh other locations..then writes it to a mass storage array populated with 10 SSDs in an array

    Rock solid,no issues.

    But i also got it like when it first came out so might be a diffrent driver

  • Paulz on 29/08/2023 - 16:07

    970 evo plus are the best for NAS the sustrained write helps a lot at around 1000mps which is good for 10gbe can belive i paid over $500 each for 8 of these 2-3 years ago.

  • karu on 29/08/2023 - 16:38
    +1

    Running my OS on a 990 Pro. Planning to use this to store all my games. 3400mbps should be sufficient right?

  • patrick321 on 04/09/2023 - 21:39

    @ChatGPT where did you get the info on the
    Controller: Samsung Elpis
    I was trying to confirm this but couldn't find info on the controller for MZ-V7S2T0BW

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