Brands That Are Expensive but Crap

Trying2SaveABuck on 22/08/2023 - 21:36

So special thanks to immrnonamehello for posting this https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/794905?page=1#comment

it got me thinking what brands market themselves to be 'quality' or charge a 'premium' price but is a 'sub-par' quality product compared to its peers.

The obvious ones for me are 'certain' European [German] cars which charge a premium price but are not nessarily better quality then other then say their Japanese or Korean counter parts.

Gillette is another brand ive found to be 'expensive' RRP but not better then less known shaving brands

up market clothing brands also tend to be a bit over rated - Polo, Rahlp Laurne etc all charge a lot but ost of the ive found to be 'made in China' and not much better quality then id entry brands…..

General Discussion

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  • randomusername2017 on 22/08/2023 - 21:40
    +6

    lol.. ripoff topic about premium brands.. novel concept

  • sane on 22/08/2023 - 21:49
    +2

    In general all clothing is made in the same factories, just maybe with slightly better materials and stitching. Certainly not the delta in pricing (cheapo polo shirt = $2, branded = $4)

    Sony was always the poster child for being overpriced for the reliability they had. Tech was sometimes good, but they were coasting on their previous image.

    A good rule of thumb on food was to spot those brands that engaged in shrinkflation - you better believed they cheaped out on the ingredient quality before they shrunk the quantity. And on that, has anyone notices Coles Tuna cans now 'rattle' when you shake them - the tin is no longer filled.

    • rumblytangara on 23/08/2023 - 17:34
      +8

      In general all clothing is made in the same factories, just maybe with slightly better materials and stitching. Certainly not the delta in pricing (cheapo polo shirt = $2, branded = $4)

      There's absolutely huge variation in clothing quality. Absolute production costs at the factories might be small, but the resulting quality and longevity can be really big- simple things like t-shirts lasting for a couple months versus years.

      There can also be a big difference in the amount of effort in clothing patterns. I've tried a load of stuff from Taobao where the materials seem not too bad, but clothing would only be suitable to a store mannequin that never had to bend its arms or legs.

      • ThePojo on 26/08/2023 - 07:39

        As much as I want to get on here and rip tommy hilfiger, I know it's cheap to make but for some reason my tommy t shirts are more comfortable and last way longer than almost everything else, I got a few on catch a few years ago and have worn them all heaps of times.

    • kiriakoz on 26/08/2023 - 16:12
      +2

      I've found Sony to be good in terms of quality. I still have an LCD from 2009 as my main tv. I want to get rid of it because of it's out-dated technology but haven't got the heart to throw out a perfectly good tv.

      • SpainKing on 26/08/2023 - 18:56

        Can always sell it on Marketplace or put it in another room (games room, bedroom). Either would be better than chucking it at the tip

        • kiriakoz on 26/08/2023 - 20:00

          I definitely won't chuck it in the tip, but some good ideas if I choose to replace. Partially keeping it out of stubborness.

  • Hybroid on 22/08/2023 - 21:56
    +62

    Any sunglasses made by Luxottica which are <$5 to make yet sold for hundreds and rotate offers to make you think you're getting a 'deal' for $100-150 discount price. Yes that includes Ray-Bans as well as dozens of other labels.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxottica

    Any 'designer' brands that aren't anymore, like Tommy Hilfiger or Calvin Klein owned by the Phillips-Van Heusen Corporation, that simply slap logos on products made by third party factories for royalty fees. Majority are garbage tier quality.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PVH_Corp.

    Similarly, as an example, the G-III Apparel Group designs and manufacturers millions of garments themselves and slaps licensed brand labels on them to inflate the prices.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-III_Apparel_Group

    • kyle on 23/08/2023 - 07:10
      -2

      So do you actually look behind the brand with everything you buy?

      • thrillhouse on 23/08/2023 - 08:07
        +29

        It's not a bad strategy if you're conscious about where your money is going. I'm not saying I do it all the time, but I respect it.

      • Hybroid on 23/08/2023 - 13:12
        +1

        Wouldn't say everything, certainly not, and still buy from these brands on occasion, but it's good to know what you're getting. As long as people make informed decisions for their purchases, it's up to them what they spend their money on.

        There are some brands I definitely do boycott for political or other reasons e.g. famous sparkling water maker.

        • kyle on 23/08/2023 - 13:34
          -2

          struggling to think of the sparkling water maker, but i love evian and fiji water

    • EBC on 23/08/2023 - 15:20
      +5

      As much as I know this to be true, I have tried looking for other brands and I have found nothing that matches the quality of the Ray Bans I own.

      If anyone knows of a non-Luxotica brand that doesn't feel like something I could get off of Aliexpress, I would love to know. Bonus points if they copy the style of Ray bans.

      • sane on 23/08/2023 - 16:00
        +3

        Maui Jim is the only brand I know without the Luxottica taint. I'm sure there are others, but it's not easy.

        • JPerez on 25/08/2023 - 05:41

          They're owned by Kering Eyewear now

          Which is another conglomerate

        • Papa Huggies on 25/08/2023 - 09:34

          They ugly though

      • Fresh TNs Lad on 23/08/2023 - 17:46

        Dita and Cazal are two others, but they're more expensive

        • EBC on 23/08/2023 - 17:55

          I guess the caveat I forgot to mention is that it should be the same price or cheaper than Luxottica brand. Because I know Luxottica brand sunglasses don't cost much to make but no one else is selling the same quality for smaller margins as far as I know.

      • SneedNFeed on 23/08/2023 - 20:25
        +2

        Serengeti

        • bbourizk on 23/08/2023 - 22:12
          +3

          own two pairs…they shit on anything made by rayban imo

          • try2bhelpful on 23/08/2023 - 22:28
            +2

            @bbourizk: Absolutely. I went to Serengeti’s and I’m not going back. They do a great job of cutting back the glare.

        • linkindan on 24/08/2023 - 18:44

          Another upvote on Serengeti, best sunglasses I’ve ever owned

        • Tuftsdude on 25/08/2023 - 22:12

          At those prices I'd stick to half priced RayBan's @ $100

          • try2bhelpful on 25/08/2023 - 22:56

            @Tuftsdude: Your money your choice :)

            Sometimes you can get decent deals on Catch of the Day or Costco.

      • greatlamp on 24/08/2023 - 12:31

        You could also look at getting some sunglasses made by zenni optical. You choose the tint, glass thickness, and frame. You will struggle to spend more than $150

        • s1Lence on 24/08/2023 - 20:54
          +1

          I use zenni and while it's great bang for buck the quality is definitely so-so

    • diss on 23/08/2023 - 16:52
      +2

      Tommy Hilfiger clothing is actually pretty well made in my experience, though also fairly expensive

      • Munki on 23/08/2023 - 21:29
        +1

        The non-Costco versions are better in my opinion. They still churn out a lot of trash, but some of the things are quite decent - especially if you can get them on sale + extra discounts.

      • Baghern on 25/08/2023 - 16:44

        I notice brands like Tommy Hilfinger/Polo etc that was bought from the US… ie someone went on Holiday and came back quality is much higher than buying retail here

        Its like we get the lower quality versions

    • prophet on 23/08/2023 - 21:42
      +1

      I can confirm that Tommy Hilfiger clothes are crap. Poor materials and stitching. And their shirts are a pain to iron.

      • rumblytangara on 23/08/2023 - 21:56

        Why anyone buys that chav brand is a mystery. Even two decades ago they admitted that outsourced even their designs, let alone have anything to do with production.

    • Matt P on 25/08/2023 - 21:56

      I've been buying Calvin Klein jeans for years now (heavily discounted at the outlet of course) and find the quality to be good. I wear them 5 days a week for work (unless i have a customer meeting) and usually get a few years minimum before they start to look shabby. They make a cut that fits me perfectly. For ~$50-80 i really can't complain

    • 900dollaridoos on 26/08/2023 - 22:45

      I hate luxotica but they arent all the same.
      For example, the ray bands brand got moved to china when lux bought them, but some models like the clubmaster stayed in Italy. You can check the sides in store to see which are less shit (made in italy vs china).

  • Jumpingmanjim on 22/08/2023 - 22:01
    +19

    BMW turning indicators

    • Mechz on 22/08/2023 - 22:50
      +34

      Mine always worked, probably because I kept the blinker fluid topped up.

      • Archi on 23/08/2023 - 09:25
        +1

        working and using are 2 separate things

    • Dreamcast on 24/08/2023 - 10:45
      -3

      Oh a light bulb just turned on. I now know why BMW drivers don't indicate.

      It's a premium brand but crap. So drivers are concerned if they use anything additional like the blinkers, it may go faulty and result in an error code. Which means failing pre rego renewal check and/or an expensive repair.

      Also explains why BMW drivers in Sydney sell their car once it hits 5 years. As a pink slip is required after 5 years.

      What an eye opener this is 🤯

    • zombie hunter on 24/08/2023 - 17:11
      -1

      What expect from the 6u115h1t motor works company. You forgot all plastic cooling parts too.

    • twig on 26/08/2023 - 07:58

      I learned yesterday that some BMWs don't come with a spare tyre when a family member had a flat. Wtaf?

  • schmuppet on 22/08/2023 - 22:06
    +19

    Bonds

    • Trying2SaveABuck on 22/08/2023 - 22:08
      +12

      i agree at RRP it is but a true OZbargainer would get Bonds stuff ar 40 percent off sales plus cashreward/shopback with free shipping lmao

      • Lord Fart Bucket on 23/08/2023 - 07:46
        +25

        Bonds quality has gone to crap though. Even at 40% off it's not worth it.

        • catbug on 23/08/2023 - 14:58

          what have you been buying instead? I like Boody but the price is steep compared to the Bonds sales

          • Tangenyahu on 23/08/2023 - 18:20
            +2

            @catbug: I've always loved Marks & Spencer's, but you really have to wait for the sales. They last for ages.

            • Lord Fart Bucket on 24/08/2023 - 18:37
              -1

              @Tangenyahu: Ummm… I don't want my underwear or socks to last for ages.

            • h0mbre on 26/08/2023 - 05:35

              @Tangenyahu: M&S is excellent.
              I’m saying this based on kids clothing though.

              Bonds is worse than Kmart and Target quality, I’ll never buy anything Bonds ever again.

          • matt-ozb on 26/08/2023 - 00:05

            @catbug: life is better sticking with calvin klein underwear and paying the premium for quality

    • caitsith01 on 23/08/2023 - 23:16

      Their tracksuit pants are still great.

  • Looking4Bargians on 22/08/2023 - 22:27
    +2

    Apple (Not what you eat)

    • AustriaBargain on 22/08/2023 - 22:35
      -5

      Wrong.

      • Kiro on 26/08/2023 - 00:47

        Wrong

    • try2bhelpful on 22/08/2023 - 22:46
      +65

      Expensive - yes
      Crap - no.

      Almost every piece of Apple equipment I’ve bought is still working. The iPAD provides me with a day to day computer replacement system. I wouldn’t use it as a productivity tool but it is great for general internet access, a games machine, etc. I no longer travel with a computer because the iPAD does everything I need in a form factor that fits in a sling bag. You can get a heap of freebie apps from the Apple Store. I’ve also found Apple support is very good.

      • Kayrhcp on 23/08/2023 - 08:14
        +22

        I have to chime in here to agree. Apple aren’t a perfect company of course, but their tech has lasted me a long time compared to competitors.
        Got a $2000 MacBook Pro for video editing in 2013 and it’s still working excellently to this day.
        I bought a $2000 Dell laptop two years earlier and it was no longer fit for purpose in 2 years and was a literal brick in 4 years.

        • noslappers on 23/08/2023 - 15:10
          +3

          2 sets of Airpods - Batteries gone to poo after 2 years.
          Iphone 13 Pro always had a quality case on but was dropped and some how the back shattered and costs more then the phone almost to replace through apple.

          But I still love Apple just dont believe the premium they charge, if a company can make non genuine decent style airpods for like $30 why do we need to pay 10X the price? Same as their phones!

          • try2bhelpful on 23/08/2023 - 15:43
            +4

            @noslappers: The real cost in any device is the R&D and the marketing.

            I really don’t understand with the backs and screens shattering. I’ve rolled my phones off my lap onto concrete and not broken a screen. But I do, usually, have mine in a leather case with front cover flap.

            You can get the batteries replaced in the AirPods.
            https://support.apple.com/en-au/airpods/repair

            Some credit cards will double the warranty for a product you buy.

            • Juice-Wa on 24/08/2023 - 07:50
              -5

              @try2bhelpful: haha! Apples R&D mainly involves stealing already well established concepts and slapping them into the apple ecosystem. All the money they spend on marketing doesn't seem to be waste on the likes of you.

              • smartazz104 on 24/08/2023 - 08:17

                @Juice-Wa: You probably think Xerox was robbed…

                • Juice-Wa on 24/08/2023 - 09:32
                  -2

                  @smartazz104: Didn't know about Xerox till now, but following technology advancements is different to the case of apple

                  The real cost in any device is the R&D

                  In the case of Apple you're paying R&D premiums as if they're spending $$$ innovating technology, but in their case R&D is spent applying technology market trends to their devices.

                  • try2bhelpful on 24/08/2023 - 09:54
                    +1

                    @Juice-Wa: Yeah, nah mate. Unlike you I did know about Xerox however Apple has, always, been innovative. Unfortunately your hubris is blinding you.

                    • Juice-Wa on 24/08/2023 - 13:15
                      -1

                      @try2bhelpful: I'm not sure how either being old enough for it to be relevant or work in an industry that considers it a learnt experience lends any context here.

                      Unfortunately your hubris is blinding you

                      Great, an irrelevant idiom to assert dominance and superiority. Might actually work if there was a show of hubris. Seems you read it on twitter, or reddit, maybe the thread on that tedX talk? Which ever it is, you have grown attracted to such a phrase, it's too bad you've shown no skill or understanding in it's application.

                      To innovate means to introduce changes and new ideas in the way something is done or made.
                      …his constant desire to innovate and experiment.

                      I've got no clue how you come to the conclusion that my opinion that Apple hasn't met this definition of innovation since it added the fingerprint sensor, shows any degree of hubris worth pointing out? Shall I provide the definition of this for you as well? Is "hubris" just your easy way of ignoring differing opinion without having to have a meaningful conversation?

                      Unfortunately your hubris is blinding you.

                      let me return with my own uncontextualised and irrelevant idiom:
                      Unfortunately your stupidity disables you

                      • try2bhelpful on 24/08/2023 - 13:16

                        @Juice-Wa: All you have is insults mate. I will leave you wallowing in them whilst the rest of us get on with our lives.

                        • Juice-Wa on 24/08/2023 - 13:18

                          @try2bhelpful:

                          Unfortunately your hubris is blinding you.

                          I'm yet to see any contribution deeper than this from you…

                          • try2bhelpful on 24/08/2023 - 13:26

                            @Juice-Wa: Because I have real world experience with Apple products as opposed to people who throw spitballs from the side. I’m not interested in the specs of a product just the user experience.That is where the R&D has occurred. Apple products just work, they last and they do regular software updates. They deliver what the customer needs and wants.

                            • Juice-Wa on 24/08/2023 - 13:44

                              @try2bhelpful:

                              But I do, usually, have mine in a leather case with front cover flap.
                              Unlike you I did know about Xerox
                              Apple products just work

                              Ah yes there it is! "Apple products just work". Just the response you would expect from someone old enough to use a leather case with front cover flap and know all about Xerox. But I guess at your age, considering stubbornness for things to stay as close to the same as possible, might be considered groundbreaking (maybe innovative???)

                              Apple products just work, they last

                              Not actually what innovation is and how does this explain premium expense for R&D?

                              and they do regular software updates.

                              I'm guessing you threw this in just to save your point but it's mute since it's the case for all operating systems. You justified the premium costs with R&D, not me, but you can't really show the innovation that might align with this. If this is the case then why aren't Samsung phones considerably more expensive when they spend double on R&D to Apple on phone products?

                              Just come out and say you personally like Apple more, it's more your flavor, not some half-arsed factual based justification like they work hard on R&D. But I'll agree the user get's the marketing costs passed on since some social circles see owners of non-apple devices to be second class. So props for you being half right.

                              • try2bhelpful on 24/08/2023 - 14:30

                                @Juice-Wa: Honestly mate you are getting really worked up about nothing. So your insults now extend to my age and that that I’ve found a cheap way to avoid damaging my products so I don’t have to worry about repair costs? Obviously I was correct in talking about your hubris.

                                Frankly my phone currently acts as a camera and an ancillary device for my iPAD and my Apple phone. I have a iPhone XS and it does what I want it to do and integrates with what I really use. Something that your Samsung phone won’t do. Funnily enough if you read any review for smart watches and pads the go to devices for the comparison are the Apple Watch and the iPAD.

                                The user experience is the most important thing. If the interface is driving people nuts then it doesn’t matter what the specs are the device won’t fly. Do a bit of Googling around bleeding edge devices that died because the developers got obsessed with the technology and not the experience of the end point user.

                                I know the Android fanboys go on about isheep, which shows a complete lack of original thinking on your part, but the thing you hear most from Apple users is “it just works”. Frankly that shows a high level of R&D. What is the point of a device that might have high end specs but it is a buggy nightmare to use. You seem to be obsessed with one aspect of R&D and not the whole package.

                                • Juice-Wa on 28/08/2023 - 07:35

                                  @try2bhelpful:

                                  So your insults now extend to my age and that that I’ve found a cheap way to avoid damaging my products so I don’t have to worry about repair costs? Obviously I was correct in talking about your hubris.

                                  I think you're actually looking for the work prejudice, not hubris… Grandkids should get you a thesaurus for Christmas

                                  You seem to be obsessed with one aspect of R&D and not the whole package.
                                  The real cost in any device is the R&D and the marketing.

                                  You suffering from alzheimer's?

                                  • try2bhelpful on 28/08/2023 - 07:39

                                    @Juice-Wa: And we get back to the insults again. Honestly mate it appears of you can’t make an argument then you go for the personal attack.

                                    Hubris - excessive pride or self-confidence. I think that pretty well covers you in this instance. However, as you have admitted in your reply, happy to add prejudice as well.

                                    • Juice-Wa on 28/08/2023 - 07:42

                                      @try2bhelpful: Can't make an argument with a brick wall… Already tried earlier in the thread but your pigheadedness and hubris in old age prevented any constructive discourse. This brick wall just happens to be exceedingly decayed, too bad.

                                      • try2bhelpful on 28/08/2023 - 08:09

                                        @Juice-Wa: BTW you should’ve said a Dictionary rather than a Thesaurus. The Thesaurus gives you similar words not a definition. Perhaps you copied this from the Jim Jeffries sketch on Gun Control. He made the same error.

                                        And even more of the personal insults. So you still can’t make a valid argument. Just keep going mate, you appear to be getting angrier and angrier and digging yourself a deeper hole.

                      • rumblytangara on 25/08/2023 - 08:34
                        +1

                        @Juice-Wa: Apple pretty much pioneered the mainstream acceptance of the smartphone, and prior to that portable MP3 players. They established the PDA category with the Newton about a decade before it's time.

                        The ideas might have existed before, but that's like trying to claim that Leonardo Di Vinci invented flight because he made some drawings of flying machines.

                        More recently, they're responsible for the irritating trend towards thin devices that rely on Bluetooth for audio. I disagree with them, but they're still responsible for an industry shift.

                        The fact that the Parc Xerox reference went over your head instantly established that you have absolutely no clue about consumer tech development- they pioneered the mouse and the GUI and are the classic case study in how ideas are not followed through to commercial success.

                        I don't like Apple as a company, but I'm not so ignorant that I would say they lack innovation.

                        • Juice-Wa on 28/08/2023 - 07:47

                          @rumblytangara:

                          The fact that the Parc Xerox reference went over your head instantly established that you have absolutely no clue about consumer tech development- they pioneered the mouse and the GUI and are the classic case study in how ideas are not followed through to commercial success.

                          It's case study relates to the 80's, before I was born. So unless I'm in a sales or an IT industry, doesn't quite hit my radar on useful knowledge.

                          my opinion that Apple hasn't met this definition of innovation since it added the fingerprint sensor

                          If removing the headphone jack and power brick strikes you as innovative in the technology space rather than a marketing strategy, sure… set that bar as low as it goes.

                          • rumblytangara on 28/08/2023 - 10:34
                            +1

                            @Juice-Wa:

                            It's case study relates to the 80's, before I was born. So unless I'm in a sales or an IT industry, doesn't quite hit my radar on useful knowledge.

                            Yes, it shows. You're clearly not in the the tech industry, yet here you are talking about one of the biggest names in the tech industry.

                            Most people in tech are too young to have had anything to do with Xerox, but we have an idea what they invented. It's like knowing who was responsible for the mass production of cars. I don't think any of us were around to know Henry Ford.

                            (Let me guess, you don't know who Henry Ford was because he was before your time and your not in sales or the auto industry.)

                            • Juice-Wa on 28/08/2023 - 11:22

                              @rumblytangara: I have a degree in electrical engineering and I couldn't tell you off the top of my head, without looking it up, who invented the semi conductor. You think anyone in tech could since it is the building block of modern technology? (If you can't, by your standard, doesn't this disqualify you from having any opinions on any matters relating to electricity?)

                              It's like knowing who was responsible for the mass production of cars

                              I couldn't tell you that bit of information either, I don't really care. The giveaway of the surname tells me what he founded but I couldn't tell much else apart from that. It just isn't useful information (I'll bet a lot of people in the auto industry could tell you more from those boring arse powerpoints their employers make them sit through)

                              Can't believe you're still harping on to this irrelevant gotchya. Lot's of strange old men who had their day in this thread…

                              • rumblytangara on 28/08/2023 - 11:25
                                +1

                                @Juice-Wa: Don't kid yourself, we're both harping on about this. The difference is that I am doing it for amusement, and you're doing it to try to be right.

                                Someone who has done elec eng and hasn't heard of Xerox. Or an engineer of any flavour who doesn't know who Henry Ford was. This is next level amazing. If have gaping holes in general knowledge, claiming to be an expert in the history of tech innovation falls a bit flat.

                                • Juice-Wa on 28/08/2023 - 12:17

                                  @rumblytangara:

                                  claiming to be an expert in the history of tech innovation falls a bit flat

                                  Where?

                                  Someone who has done elec eng and hasn't heard of Xerox

                                  What does Xerox have to do with any foundation of electrical engineering?

        • croc330 on 24/08/2023 - 18:41
          +1

          Dell was a brick when you bought it , just took you a while to notice!

          • try2bhelpful on 24/08/2023 - 18:47

            @croc330: I used to be a HP devotee until I cooked a number of computers. Now I have a Lenovo that seems to be OK.

            • croc330 on 26/08/2023 - 14:13
              +1

              @try2bhelpful: Was always a ThinkPad devotee back in IBM days, almost as happy with Lenovo, but not quite 100%. Still best middle-level business laptop.

              They took my ThinkPad away at work and gave me a doorstop (Dell). Piece of rubbish. Was a sad day.

              I still use my iPad mini at work a fair bit. Close to buying one, actually, but probably will opt for the full sized one.

      • Asti on 24/08/2023 - 10:56
        +1

        The way I see it, they might last twice as long, but cost four times more. Also if you break anything be prepared to write it off since repair costs don't make sense.

      • Korban Dallas on 25/08/2023 - 21:21
        +1

        Pretty surprised at this given the numerous recalls, issues with MacBook motherboards like thin tape over components that can short and cases of the plastic Mac's.

        Had so many issues 2008 to 2014 it put me off apple completely

        Also noticed at the tip many 2010 to 2015 imacs getting dumped. I go every second week and there is always 1 or 2 in the bin.

        TVs would be the number 1 throwaway followed by old desktops.

    • Caped Baldy on 23/08/2023 - 00:09
      +7

      and samsung… I say that as an Android user.

      • dealsucker on 23/08/2023 - 14:40

        Most of samsung's stuff is overrated but atleast they are 30-40% off on day 1 as if the RRP is a number that even the company does not believe in

      • Thinkswithelbow on 23/08/2023 - 15:02
        +2

        As another android user…their Samsung phone hardware is good….software is garbage. To mouch bloatware. Their TVs on the other hand are amazing

        • noslappers on 23/08/2023 - 15:14

          I still remember all the Samsung phones with Burn in at my old work place. I personally cant stand Samsung and think its pretty average, dont get me started on their warranty procedures, they will help but it will cost you hours and hours of your life!

        • Ramrunner on 23/08/2023 - 16:22
          +1

          Hm. Yes I agree the TV is good, but the "smart" part of my 3 TVs stopped being supported and thus stopped working less than 5 years in. Abandonware.

          A little annoying and $65 Chromecast with Google TV on special have not only fixed the situation but greatly added to the features, but my point is they sell a smart TV then abandon support.

          So yes their TVs are good, the software on them not so much (although probably improved these days this was a while ago).

      • dcash on 23/08/2023 - 19:25

        But if you want an Android phone that's not made in China, Samsung is about the only credible option.

        • furyou on 24/08/2023 - 21:50

          more or less the only option isn't it?

          • dcash on 25/08/2023 - 07:40

            @furyou: There may be a few very entry level options from other manufacturers that are not made in China, but once you get to the level of even the Samsung A series, then yes, I believe Samsung is the ONLY option.

      • CauseNEffect on 23/08/2023 - 21:30

        Please explain.

        I've had numerous Samsung galaxy phones over the last 10+ years. No real issues in that time. Upgraded only for faster / newer models.

      • komododragon on 25/08/2023 - 12:01

        I still use Samsung S9 and my son Samsung S8; both were bought in early 2018. More than 5 years and still going strong.

    • EFC94 on 23/08/2023 - 08:01
      +14

      My last iPhone survived 6 years before I decided to upgrade, my last MacBook survived 10 years before I decided to upgrade. I've taken 4 different devices into the apple store for family members and all have been replaced or repaired no questions asked. Not sure how anyone could say they are "crap". Expensive yes, but certainly not crap. Reminds me of that thread yesterday of old mate not knowing how to get his broken Xiaomi phone fixed. You get what you pay for.

      • ThithLord on 24/08/2023 - 10:59

        BRO IT'S JUST MARKETING!!1!!

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