As usual, high yield investment.
Anyway, Elon is making those who pre-ordered excited now.
Honestly, it’s just a matter of months now before we saw this on the streets.
https://twitter.com/sawyermerritt/status/1668819968094347266…
2019 Tesla Cybertruck Pre-Orders
Fredfloresjr on 28/07/2023 - 13:56
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A 2.5+ tonne truck that can beat most ferraris on the market today. I wont lie, i wouldn't mind owing one. By the time it finally comes to Australia, i doubt I'll be young enough to appreciate it.
If by "beat" you mean in a drag race for maybe the first quarter-mile, yes.
On a race track however or even on twisty roads, there's no way in hell any current Tesla is keeping up with an actual supercar or even higher-end performance cars around the $150K mark.
Australia has had their 3 motored models cancelled due to govt policy.
Give it another 10 years or so when a ship full of rhd models comes in from Shanghai to dock in Port Kembla.
Place your orders today and get a good life insurance!What policy?
No policy. It's 100% fan fiction by payless69.
You pay for an order of any 3 motorized current model
the rest of us will laugh
Are you saying you want this?
I cant understand the hype and appeal, except for those 3yr old to about 12
Tesla customer service sounds worse than kogans FWIW.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-ba…
Unfortunately the LHD market will always be a year ahead of the RHD market purely based on market numbers.
I think it's easily 1-1.5 years from even setting foot in Aus.
Yeah that's enough for me to want nothing to do with the company.
Literally gaslighting their own customers.
Really cool car, though. I have a friend who took a pre-order. He ended up buying some RAM monstrosity though
That's all EVs. They all use the same test cycle (EPA in the US, WLTP in Australia). The test cycles are based on a certain combination of city and highway driving etc.
In fact it's not just all EVs, it's all cars - the exact same thing happens with petrol/diesel cars - they are measured by a test cycle which gives a result that is never achieved in real life.
When you actually start a drive and enter a destination in Tesla's nav system, it takes into account elevation, temperature, speed limits, winds, and your driving efficiency from recent trips, and it tells you precisely what % of battery you will arrive with.- generally very accurate, no more than ~2% out in my experience.
But articles get more clicks when you include Tesla in the headline.
Did you read the article? Ars Technica isn't your run-of-the-mill Daily Mail
They don't target boomers as much as the Daily Mail but they still need traffic as much as anyone.
If you read the article, Tesla was significantly worse than everyone else making EVs and purposefully pretended the cars were fine.
I suppose the big difference between conventional powertrains and EVs is that conventional engines can get the same mileage day or night, 2C or 45C whereas EVs can lose 1/3 of their range because it's too cold or too hot outside.
Why this thing built like Lara Croft’s tomb raider 1 ps1 rack?
Gold!
Is there ARB bullbar for Cybertruck yet?
Is that painted in that Camo paint to try and hide what it looks like ?
The same car they already showed on stage.
It's to hide the curves and contours, don't wanna give up the final design before launch.
Is that painted in that Camo paint
The new version is stealth
Probably 4 years or 80k. Standard Tesla warranty.
Got my pre order in to make sure it is getting built. This is one ugly vehicle that I want to see on the road.
Good parts is 6 seats, US$45k and body so strong people won't be dooring your car.
Lets see when it lands.
US$45k = $160,000 AU
Very likely. But it will be the Homer.
Where would you park? 3 miles from the super market?
I got to buy it first and that is unconfirmed.
It is a matter of price and whether I need it. Which I don't need it. If price is going to be $90k then forget it. I could probably make it work at $65k depending on options available (other vehicles)
DUDE, Are you sure it's going to be 65k? I think the stainless steel on that thing would cost 20k alone from Bunnings…..
Silly little BYD atto 3 is 50k. Even MG electric poor mans car is almost 50k!My guess is that it will be 140k minimum. 200k possible. 250k maximum.
It is going to be a poor mans G wagon.
@Naigrabzo: $45k USD but that would be $75k AUD.
But you need to put money down to demonstrate demand so they will make it. Refundable deposit. Good just for laughs.
@netjock: True. Hmm… I am just not convinced on the pricing calculation. So it's cheaper than a model Y?!??
@Naigrabzo: When they announced it they said it was cheaper because no need for a paint job and no curves, easy to stamp straight lines right.
@netjock: DAMN! I didn't realise. To be fair, Musky knows how to sell a dream. He has been peddling self driving for many years now. Chumps have been paying 10k for essentially their engineers to have a bit of fun with super computers. How long can it stay beta?
@Naigrabzo: Musky is a business person.
If you think about it. The affordable model 3 is actually closer to affordable now. Given it comes from China (lower labour costs and corners being cut like less sensors), inflation of other vehicles (even a Corolla is closer to a $35k rather than $30k car, the top spec is like over $40k), cheaper battery technology and more competition.
If there is 6 seats in the Cybertruck and indestructible body for $75k then it might be worth a shot. Otherwise nope there is too many options if you are paying $80k for a vehicle.
@netjock: I agree with you. He is a smart fellow. Some of his ideas have caught on and are valid.
I can still buy two brand new corollas for one Model 3. The corollas will last 20 years ( I hope toyota still keeps good standards) and model 3 most certainly won't.
This truck will not last long with a monster battery that will be stressed like hell everytime you drive it.
I can still buy two brand new corollas for one Model 3
I got one Corolla hybrid 2020
People who buy model 3 would like to think they would cross shop with BMW then talk about the savings because they are charging for free from their solar. I don't know who paid for their solar. They get unhappy when I ask them where I can get the free solar, I don't want the model 3.
In Melbourne during winter my East West (80% efficiency but I catch morning and late sun, where as North facing will get you more power during peak from 11-2pm) array will get 10-15kwh from 8am - 5pm. Unless these Tesla people are just sitting at home waiting to charge all day so they can do 100kms at night or bank it for the weekend I have no idea. If you charge from the grid off peak you are pretty close to Corolla hybrid costs considering cheap servicing for 5 years and also returns on your $30k invested.
But at some point money / FOMO changes people.
You know they used to say, if you see everyone buying something you buy the shares not the product.
@netjock: Yep.
It is totally different if you just want to drive a Model 3. I get it , it's really fun to drive, especially the performance version but even the RWD.
There is no way you can charge using solar because most people would be at work during the day. I would be quite interested if my Model 3 can drop me and kids off to school/work etc and SELF DRIVE back home to farm the solar all day.
Otherwise I would just keep my 30k and drive a Corolla.
I am annoyed that the Corolla has gone up so much in cost though. I still remember the good old days when I bought a Corolla 2004 for $17600 and sold it for $5500 in 2021 with 192k on it. Only 'major' repair was a water pump replacement ($450) only because I didn't like the mild coolant leak.
it's really fun to drive
It is even more fun when you tell someone the $30k invested would grow to how much when they retire. It can be the difference between fun or miserable retirement. Explains the acceleration is a punch in the gut.
I am annoyed that the Corolla has gone up so much in cost though
The current Corolla is the same size as the previous model Camry so it isn't that bad. Hybrid going from +$1500 which will pay back in about 5 years to +$2500 I am not so sure.
If you do a lot of highway driving a good 1.6L - $1.8L same segment car would be a better deal. Hybrids only good in the city if you do high kilometers in stop start traffic.
1,000kms a tank in summer. In winter I only get 850-900km a tank (probably due to heaters and engine needs to warm up)
I would be quite interested if my Model 3 can drop me and kids off to school/work etc and SELF DRIVE back home to farm the solar all day
Then you are going to miss out on all the money you could make using it as a robo taxi. Or dog / cat hairs from people taking their pets and maybe some puke.
Will Tesla even bother making a right hand drive version of this?
Mao lovers are betting against you.
I am on your side…..Never.
I assume it would be easy as it is drive by wire extends to the steering to, not much rework needed.
Compliance with local standards is a whole different matter. That is why it has wipers and side mirrors.
It would be 'easy' but not worth it for them. It won't fit into our supermarkets, roads etc wouldn't be practical for a normal person.
It won't fit into our supermarkets, roads etc wouldn't be practical for a normal person
But not shortage of people who would buy it. Whether it fits it is someone else's problem? It is like this idea of free charging if you got solar. Or buy a residential battery for $10k with 10kwh capacity to charge a 60kwh car.
Was thinking today. If they allowed vehicle to grid bi directional and actually let people charge for like 15c per kwh during 10am - 2pm (solar peak) and off peak (midnight to 6am) then tell them that they'll over them 20c to take 10kwh during peak periods (7am - 9am and 4pm - 11pm) then we solve the too much renewables problem.
But you know what they come up with this idea of remotely turning off your solar inverter to maintain grid stability. It is literally clown school.
@netjock: oh yeah, I'd be all over the solar idea.
For EVs to be viable, policy changes need to take place for forcing manufacturers to give longer warranry than 8 years on battery and up to 300k (160k? dreamin…), much faster charging say at least 300kw (ideally 1000kw), and force price reductions or parity with petrol cars. Or increase petrol prices etc.
I won't be wasting my time waiting 30 minutes for EV charging every 300km when I can be drinving my petrol car 1000km on single charge which takes 3 minutes.
I do wonder what cyber truck warranty will be in Australia. My prediction is that it will never come here. Model S is not coming either.
I'd be all over the solar idea
The power industry won't like that. That is the problem. Why let other people in on the deal when they have it to themselves. They have so many people in there working on how to extract money from us. Wondering why going off grid is still not viable.
For EVs to be viable
That is why some countries are banning petrol powered cars.
What would make EVs viable would actually be standardised batteries and you just drive in and do a battery swap in 3 minutes, cheaper for the car because you are really paying for the shell. Previous battery leasing schemes have made it non feasible. Maybe you can buy with battery, by battery after or go swap & go. If you are waiting to charge for 45 minutes and see swap and go in 3 minutes you'd think twice.
@netjock: I am open to swap and go but probably adds more complexity than I would like to have. I think most people could get used to it though. I could because I can grab a coffee in that time.
swap and go
Swap and go has down sides especially for manufacturers because you open up to other vendors to enter the market remember original Nokia phones. Bit like printer inks and toners.
Another down side is you can have multiple batteries if you have too many car sizes. Imagine you'd need a battery for Yaris, Corolla, Camry etc. But then Tesla only has like 4 models. You could get more space for batteries if you have in hub motors rather than in axle motors. Like SpaceX. If you really want to be low cost you'll need to be able to recycle it in short notice. The battery is pretty hard to remove from a Tesla if something goes wrong. Say if swaps are not as high capacity. Would you like to spend 3 mins to swap every 200kms rather than 30 mins to charge every 300kms?
That is why I say when people talk about no car with better performance than Model 3 at the same price. Problem seems to be how many seconds you save for $30k and what is the hourly rate? Plus you save more energy getting up to speed and coasting rather than sudden acceleration.
@netjock: Yeah that's true.
With the value vs performance preposition, I think there is probably some merit.
Corolla Z hatch hybrid - 40k (cheapest 'hot' hatch)
M3 RWD - 63k
VW R hot hatch - 69k@Naigrabzo: I just don't think driving a Tesla to save the environment and flooring it (more rubber and KWH) is the message.
I'd like to see Tesla people sail wooden boats to go on overseas holidays. I think it might just be green washing with money.
@netjock: Yeah, I would never do anything for the environment if it costs me 65k. I want the govt and industry to do what's right for environment and reduce emissions. I will vote approrpiately. Me driving about 7k per year will save peanuts if any for environment.
I am happy to compost and put correct things in the recycleing bins etc though. That's doing my part.
@Naigrabzo: Why does policy need to change to force higher warranty.
Its a business product.
Take the risk or not, you know the boundary conditions.
@quog: I was looking at getting a residential battery.
Then I checked the reviews. For some if you have problems they are slow to fix. There is years of guarantee (or mileage for a car). For residential batteries there is also a discharge limit. Basically a 5kwh battery in this instance has a limit that is equal to 2kwh a day of discharge.
You are right business is not on the side of the consumer but if we think free markets are going to correct it is like fly tipping. Long as you offload the trash in someone else's back yard it is okay because you don't need to see it.
Pedestrian meat tenderizer wont by sold here, wont even be legal.
More like pulveriser.
Musk really needs to hire a proper car designer rather than basing his cars on sketches drawn by kindergarteners
Tesla is the best car to own…eagerly waiting for cyberstuck.
Seriously - (profanity) Tesla and Musk.
Tech grifters gonna tech grift.
I'll file this under "when frozen hell pigs fly" along with Elon's Mars colony, Hyperloop, Neuralink and his dozen other hare-brained ideas.
For a great laugh and to make Tesla/Elon cultists even saltier, watch Adam Something's videos on Elon's "genius" solutions to society's problems:
A lot of people already have a 'Tesla semi' if you ask me.
Yes and rather like Elon's rockets, I suspect much of his fanbase fails to launch and/or finishes prematurely as well.
Just a joke.
Most ppl dont understand SpaceX or what it has achieved. The founder and his hyperbolic nature doesn't take away from that IMO.You know "Elon's rockets" work perfectly fine and are the most reliable, flexible and the cheapest option in the industry? Or, like anything crazy that actually gets achieved, they get shunted into the "That's not Elon, that's his employees" category?
Cybertruck is in production tho:
https://www.drive.com.au/news/first-tesla-cybertruck-product…
RHD won't be for years if ever, but they are building them.
I clicked the link for twitter and saw the least convincing camp paint on a prerelease vehicle ive ever seen.
Then went to close the video window and ended up opening the ‘x’ menu. Elon is a tool but maybe he’s smart because trying to close his new stupid app will keep you there.
If we ever get the Rivian or f150 lightning I’d be surprised if this 1985 computer rendering makes many sales.
Is it true they needed to make the production model smaller to fit on the roads?
goodest is a word?
it that or gooderer
It's actually "gooderest" or "most gooderest"
I hate the Americans ruining the Queen's English.
God the messaging in that screenshot is cringe
Elon's outed himself as a complete (profanity), but honestly I like the cybertruck
it's so different, it's actually refreshing
it'll probably become the delorean of this era.
Cybertruck is a pipe dream and vapourware. It will never arrive in Australia. If it does I will return to this thread and comment again and stand corrected. It was a great dream though.
another 'environmentally friendly' 2.5+ tonne EV.
Wonder how prohibitively expensive the bodywork will be to repair. Or if it will offer suitable deformation in the event of a crash (either for passengers or pedestrians)