Victoria Cancels Hosting 2026 Commonwealth Games

S2 on 18/07/2023 - 10:15
Last edited 18/07/2023 - 14:40 by 1 other user

Front page news Who remembered it was even in Australia?

Very disappointing for the athletes. Shame that it has to cost so much. No doubt the cost of building anything contributed to this.

I've seen one comment saying it's become a spectacle more than a sporting event. That got me thinking that I would accept it being scaled down to be less visually extravagant and more focused on sporting achievement.
What are your thoughts on cancelling the 2026 Commonwealth Games?

Edit 1: The cost of the games was originally budgeted at $2.6 billion, but new estimates is $6 billion and potential more than $7 billion. This has triggered the decision to cancel.

Edit 2: politics and finances aside, it is extremely sad for sport.

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Comments

- gromit on 18/07/2023 - 16:21
  
  sport is fine, BUT, especially now it has to be financially viable. I don't agree on much of anything with Dan but it is nice to see a polly finally call a stop to some of this. The costs were insanely extravagant for such an event.
- Mozzmanau on 20/07/2023 - 00:09
  
  Dan doesn't and neither do the Dandimbs
tsunamisurfer on 18/07/2023 - 11:12

+4

Victorians, you voted for this.
- jv on 18/07/2023 - 12:03
  
  +5
  
  Only 40% of Victorians voted for this…
  
  60% voted for someone else…
  - Crosscade on 18/07/2023 - 12:25
    
    +9
    
    That's not how preferential voting works.
    - jv on 18/07/2023 - 14:09
      
      +3
      
      Seems to in Vic….
      
      60% of voters did not vote for Dan.
      - SBOB on 18/07/2023 - 19:35
        
        +3
        
        @jv:
        
        Seems to in Vic….
        60% of voters did not vote for Dan.
        
        Way more than that. Only those in his electorate had the opportunity to vote for him.
        You really need to brush up on your understanding of our parliamentary voting system if you're doing to drop some bold on it.
        
        In the last election he got 51% of primary votes in the Mulgrave electorate..the next closest was 18%
        
        There's 4.4 million registered voters in Victoria. Only 19 thousand of those actually voted for him.
        
        jv on 19/07/2023 - 12:53
        
        @SBOB:
        
        In the last election he got 51% of primary votes
        
        40% across VIC voted for his party… 60% did not…
        
        Even in his own electorate, half the people did not vote for him.
        
        idonotknowwhy on 21/07/2023 - 10:53
        
        @SBOB:
        
        In the last election he got 51% of primary votes in the Mulgrave electorate..the next closest was 18%
        
        Thanks for this! I'm visiting family members who get worked up about politics over the weekend. I'm going to have so much fun annoying them with this statistic :D
        
        Danstar on 21/07/2023 - 13:30
        
        @idonotknowwhy: You can also note that Labor as a party lost 6% of their total votes compared to the previous election and specifically Dan Andrews lost 8% of his total voters from the previous election
      - baldur on 19/07/2023 - 12:49
        
        @jv: So he is illegally in reign?
        
        jv on 19/07/2023 - 12:52
        
        @baldur:
        
        So he is illegally in reign?
        
        No, it's our stuffed up system where 60% of people don't vote for you and you still become leader…
        
        SBOB on 19/07/2023 - 15:45
        
        @jv:
        
        No, it's our stuffed up system where 60% of people don't vote for you and you still become leader…
        
        You realise if theres more than 2 parties, a "majority" vote doesnt mean its 50%? And we also dont count 'per person', we have electorates that represent areas. Your simplistic percentage quotes are irrelevant.
        Even if we directly voted for the leader of a state, like some kind of 'president' where we all picked from a list… if there was 3 candidates, someone getting 40% of the vote, while the other 2 only got 30% each is still a majority vote
        
        Didn't realise you were more the china/russia kind of electoral 'democratic' fan than our current system. Very Bold stance you've grown to aligning with.
        
        jv on 19/07/2023 - 16:51
        
        -1
        
        @SBOB:
        
        You realise if theres more than 2 parties
        
        I didn't say there weren't.
        
        What I said was 60% of Victorians did not vote for Dan to be premier.
        
        SBOB on 19/07/2023 - 17:33
        
        +1
        
        @jv:
        
        What I said was 60% of Victorians did not vote for Dan to be premier.
        
        No one voted in the Victorian election for Dan to be premier.
        99.6% of Victorians did not vote for Dan (as they either did not reside in, or did not vote for him to represent their electorate )
        There's less than 16k members of the Victorian Labor party (according to wikipedia), so they were the only ones that voted for the leader of that party.
        
        Your 'facts' ranting would go down well on Sky News though.
        
        jv on 19/07/2023 - 17:38
        
        @SBOB:
        
        No one voted in the Victorian election for Dan to be premier.
        
        So he did worse than I said.
        
        Thanks for pointing that out.
    - Mozzmanau on 20/07/2023 - 00:10
      
      It was actually only about 37%
donkcat on 18/07/2023 - 11:39

+3

Embarrassing for state government but the right call. Commonwealth games has always felt like the poor mans Olympic games anyway
- jv on 18/07/2023 - 12:04
  
  +12
  
  Embarrassing for state government but the right call.
  
  The right call would have been not to sign the contract in the first place…
  - bhubb18 on 18/07/2023 - 12:30
    
    +7
    
    My brother in Christ you don't need to comment this to EVERY single posted on here. We get it
    - jv on 18/07/2023 - 12:32
      
      -3
      
      We get it
      
      We don't 'get' anything… We lose it…
      - SBOB on 18/07/2023 - 19:38
        
        +2
        
        @jv: You've already lost it based on your Dan obsession:)
  - donkcat on 18/07/2023 - 12:43
    
    +1
    
    The concept was good at the time, hosting it in regional cities, building villages that would be converted to social housing post games, injecting $$ into regional centers that normally don't receive these types of windfalls, upgrading infrastructure.
    
    But $6 billion is a ridiculous amount of money for a state with the largest debt to take on. It's still an about-face though to cancel the event only a bit over 12 months after proudly announcing the hosting of this event. I would have understood if it was a precovid budget that had been blown up but he committed to this when building material costs and labor shortages were at their worst.
    - jv on 18/07/2023 - 12:49
      
      +1
      
      The concept was good at the time
      
      No it wasn't.
      
      Pretty much everyone, except Dan, were saying we couldn't afford it…
      - donkcat on 18/07/2023 - 12:53
        
        @jv:
        
        No it wasn't.
        
        Pretty much everyone, except Dan, were saying we couldn't afford
        
        Outside of Newscorp rags it was well received.
        
        jv on 18/07/2023 - 13:06
        
        +2
        
        @donkcat:
        
        it was well received.
        
        🤣🤣🤣
        
        donkcat on 18/07/2023 - 13:35
        
        +1
        
        @jv: Thats about what i thought when u made the ridiculous claim that expanding regional areas would impact farming land, clearly someone who hasnt left the city
      - smartazz104 on 18/07/2023 - 14:37
        
        @jv: Proof please…
    - p1 ama on 18/07/2023 - 16:17
      
      The concept was good at the time, hosting it in regional cities, building villages that would be converted to social housing post games, injecting $$ into regional centers that normally don't receive these types of windfalls, upgrading infrastructure.
      
      This is an invalid argument though, there's mountains of evidence which shows that the supposed economic benefits of hosting major sporting events generally do not last, and where there are long term benefits, those benefits are better obtained through direct investment.
      
      If we want to build social housing, then build social housing. If we want to upgrade infrastructure, then upgrade infrastructure.
  - Mozzmanau on 20/07/2023 - 00:10
    
    Exactly
AustriaBargain on 18/07/2023 - 11:51

+1

I didn't even know Victoria even had their own mini Olympic Games. I guess it's been a big waste of money if the idea was to promote the state.
mbck on 18/07/2023 - 11:54

+3

Why had it gone from 2.6 to 7 in the first place??

Sounds like poor planning. Make it cheap to get approved and reveal actual costs later (300% more)
- pharkurnell on 18/07/2023 - 11:58
  
  +3
  
  I've often wondered this myself… same with Gov Tenders..
  
  Go in with a low ball tender that there is no way on earth you could do the work for that price, then when you win the contract, cry poor and up the price with all the clauses.
- Ghost47 on 18/07/2023 - 14:26
  
  -2
  
  Interest rates skyrocketing the past twelve months would have something to do with it, have you not paid attention to any financial news the past year?
  
  Victoria won the bid to host in April last year, that was one month before rates started going up. It was a completely different economic environment. Everyone was drunk on low rates. It was likely they made forecasts based on low rates, acting as if it’s a conspiracy theory is weird af.
  - eltito on 18/07/2023 - 15:04
    
    +1
    
    I do agree with your sentiment, but to go from 2.6 to ~6-7 is a 230% increase (minimum) - that's a substantial jump. I just can't fathom how they didn't consider a price rise. Would be good to see the calculations - but this won't happen.
  - mbck on 18/07/2023 - 15:21
    
    +2
    
    Sure, but…that means a jump from 2.6to 7?? You can't attribute this to just interest rates lol.
    - Ghost47 on 18/07/2023 - 16:47
      
      -1
      
      Cost of materials, labour etc. it’s all gone up. Forecasts are also just that and they’re hardly ever accurate.
    - infinite on 18/07/2023 - 21:51
      
      You can if you are ignorant enough !
  - infinite on 18/07/2023 - 16:32
    
    If VIC were having to borrow money to fund the games, that's literally evidence they couldn't afford to do it in the first place.
    - Ghost47 on 18/07/2023 - 16:51
      
      That’s true, but we don’t live in a world where governments save up money and then spend it. Governments borrow to fund projects, that’s how they do things. We would have very little if governments didn’t borrow money.
      - infinite on 18/07/2023 - 17:41
        
        @Ghost47: The Victorian government is so hopeless managing their money, they can't even remotely forecast how much debt they'll need to go into to be able to put on an event no one has any interest in and they don't have the money to even promote. Now they'll pay more borrowed money to terminate a contract early because they never had the ability to afford it in the first place.
        
        They are the living embodiment of a financial incompetence meme.
        
        Ghost47 on 18/07/2023 - 17:59
        
        +3
        
        @infinite: Not as hopeless as Gladys funnelling taxpayer money to her secret boyfriend.
        
        You’re so quick to bash the government for being financially irresponsible but when they do something that’s financially responsible you still happily attack them, that’s sad.
        
        infinite on 18/07/2023 - 21:50
        
        -2
        
        @Ghost47:
        
        You’re so quick to bash the government for being financially irresponsible but when they do something that’s financially responsible you still happily attack them, that’s sad.
        
        Making rubbish like that up just makes you look terrible.
        
        Ghost47 on 18/07/2023 - 22:03
        
        @infinite: Making up rubbish? Speak for yourself.
        
        infinite on 19/07/2023 - 15:48
        
        @Ghost47: Sad, truly sad.
- Mozzmanau on 20/07/2023 - 00:11
  
  Because he's lying about the $6 billion. Why would you believe anything this clown says?
  - mbck on 20/07/2023 - 09:51
    
    Fair assessment now with more info coming out. 2 bill sounds more in line to what it could be now.
    
    Though it would still be more lol
MrMcHairyHead on 18/07/2023 - 12:04

+2

We just had them in 2006 didn't we? Who cares.
- jv on 18/07/2023 - 12:05
  
  +4
  
  Who cares.
  
  The people who paid taxes for hundreds of millions spent so far that went down the drain…
  
  Imagine how many ambulances that could have paid for…
  - Crosscade on 18/07/2023 - 12:26
    
    +4
    
    Better to throw billions more after millions? Sunk cost.
    - jv on 18/07/2023 - 12:29
      
      +7
      
      Sunk cost.
      
      Shouldn't have been sunk in the first place…
      
      Most thought it was a bad decision at the time, but Dan didn't care… It wasn't his money and was all about his ego…
    - Mozzmanau on 20/07/2023 - 00:12
      
      +1
      
      The 6 or 7 billion is a LIE.
montorola on 18/07/2023 - 12:57

+1

Still dunno how Victoria got it in the first place, Melbourne has the absolute WORST weather ever!!
- jv on 18/07/2023 - 13:08
  
  +4
  
  Melbourne has the absolute WORST weather ever!!
  
  Brisbane and Sydney get more rain than Melbourne.
- Ghost47 on 18/07/2023 - 14:27
  
  -1
  
  Some people prefer cold dry weather compared to hot and humid.
  - infinite on 18/07/2023 - 16:33
    
    Melbourne is just cold wet and overcast though.
    - Ghost47 on 18/07/2023 - 16:45
      
      -1
      
      Not really, there are plenty of sunny days (it’s sunny right now for example). Even if that was the case I prefer changing weather. When I lived in Sydney I got sick of the weather because it was either constantly sunny and humid or constantly raining and humid (e.g. H1 2022 when it rained for four to five months straight).
      
      Even if Sydney was sunnier than Melbourne I much prefer having rainy days because that kind of weather makes you actually appreciate sunny weather more. It’s like eating steak every day, steak is great but you’ll get sick of quickly.
      - infinite on 18/07/2023 - 17:44
        
        @Ghost47:
        
        Even if Sydney was sunnier than Melbourne I much prefer having rainy days because that kind of weather makes you actually appreciate sunny weather more.
        
        Having fun on a sunny day is always going to trump being in Melbourne weather. But if watching people like us have fun makes you feel better about being inside and not having fun, then I guess that's OK in a weird way too.
        
        Ghost47 on 18/07/2023 - 17:55
        
        +3
        
        @infinite: I do like watching Sydneysiders have fun with their huge amount of toll roads, lack of night time economy, lack of sporting events, huge socioeconomic division, hot and humid sticky weather, train system that falls over when one person is absent or after one drop of rain, lack of culture, lack of theatre, monthly gang murders and aggressive impatient drivers.
        
        I’m not surprised you seem so angry, living in Sydney does that to people.
        
        infinite on 18/07/2023 - 21:55
        
        @Ghost47: You should try moving to a warm sunny state. Will do wonders for that bitter sad attitude you seem to be stuck with.
        
        Try enjoying life for a change, it's a great experience.
        
        Ghost47 on 18/07/2023 - 21:58
        
        -1
        
        @infinite:
        
        When I lived in Sydney
        
        Please learn to read.
        
        infinite on 18/07/2023 - 22:37
        
        @Ghost47:
        
        Please learn to read.
        
        Who are you even responding too?
        
        You appear to be losing the plot.
Lord Fart Bucket on 18/07/2023 - 14:02

+3

He shouldn't have signed up to begin with. Commonwealth Games are the loser Olympics. Get a medal for showing up.
- gromit on 18/07/2023 - 18:07
  
  The Olympics aren't any better. Costs for Olympics hosting has ballooned to ridiculous levels where they are simply not affordable except by countries that don't care about the cost.
MrThing on 18/07/2023 - 14:04

+2

If only there wasnt already purpose built places in Australia to hold sporting event's without building new which are still in good repair

cough sydney olympic park cough cough

When we stop with the obvious waste and government extravagance, I will start taking the governments climate change and "help the aussie battler" stance seriously, until then then can fuk right off lecturing to me about it
- Lord Fart Bucket on 18/07/2023 - 14:07
  
  Yeah… kick everyone out of Newington and just say you want it to be the athletes village again for a few weeks.
  - MrThing on 18/07/2023 - 14:13
    
    12 day event im sure they can find places for people to stay without building a new athletes village…cmon seriously, can I have some of your money, you sound rich
    
    Such utter waste and extravagance in a time where we dont have the money.
    
    For example Brisbane olympics should be a shared event across the east coast which only uses established stadiums and facilities….imagine the green credit you could claim in your advertising - even the next fifa world cup is going to be across three countries
    - Lord Fart Bucket on 18/07/2023 - 14:28
      
      4,600 athletes at Birmingham in 2022. Add another bunch for support staff (medical, coaches) and media personnel… yeah, we have space for about 6,000-7,000 people, no issues. I mean… there's plenty of housing in Sydney (as shown by current vacancy rates in the rental market).
      - MrThing on 18/07/2023 - 15:41
        
        @Lord Fart Bucket: Yer they are all gunna just stay in Airbnbs
      - infinite on 18/07/2023 - 16:38
        
        @Lord Fart Bucket: There's over 50,000 hotel rooms in just the Sydney CBD.
        
        Larger scale events like this have organizers and participators that know their schedule, crew and numbers many years in advance.
        
        It would be considered a Disney sized failure to not manage to find accommodation if you were involved in any capacity.
ForkSnorter on 18/07/2023 - 14:16

+5

WhenI was younger I was obsessed with sport, to the extent that it was the most important thing in life. The older I get, the less interested in sport I become, to the extent that I now couldn't care less. It's just a bunch of strangers running up and down a field or hitting a ball with a stick. Who cares who wins?

There are so many things in the world that are much more worthy of my interest and attention than sport. I now cannot understand my younger self. I wouldn't care if the Olympics was happening at the end of my street for free. I wouldn't go. I'd prefer to sit in the garden and read a book.
- infinite on 18/07/2023 - 16:48
  
  Yeah but to be fair only a small number of people likely turn up and pay to attend anything you are interested in, where as sports stadiums are filled with upwards of 60,000 people multiple days a week. I couldn't care less about baseball, but i have to acknowledge 40K fans turn up every three days to their MLB stadiums for half the year, every year.
  
  That being said, the Commonwealth Games are a nothing-event that they can't even fill venues by giving away envelopes stuffed full of tickets for free. No state or federal government who manages their finances in a sane way is handing over a cent of tax payer money. Their not a completely worthless venture to the level of womens soccer or the WNBA, but still, there's no reason for tax payer money to be funding the Com Games at all.
  - ForkSnorter on 18/07/2023 - 17:27
    
    I agree it is a waste of money. Much more important things the government could be spending money on.
    - infinite on 18/07/2023 - 17:28
      
      Agreed.
Ghost47 on 18/07/2023 - 14:28

+3

Prudent and smart move by Dan. Of course LNP shills will complain either way.
- Danstar on 18/07/2023 - 22:14
  
  Yet the Labor shills were praising how good it will be for the state; now praising how good it is Dan cancelled them….
- Mozzmanau on 20/07/2023 - 00:13
  
  Dan clown. Too stupid to see their hero is stealing from them 🤣🤣
Danstar on 18/07/2023 - 14:28

Where's all the Dan / Labor lovers sticking up for Dan Slide ?
- p1 ama on 18/07/2023 - 16:19
  
  +8
  
  Basically all of the comments here are in support of no longer hosting the Commonwealth Games. What are you on about bud?
  - smartazz104 on 18/07/2023 - 18:30
    
    +2
    
    Shhh he's in his own echo chamber.
  - Danstar on 18/07/2023 - 22:09
    
    +1
    
    Excusing the fact Dan was stupid enough to take them on; when “the right” were all saying what a waste of money it will be from the get go
    - p1 ama on 18/07/2023 - 22:30
      
      +1
      
      Excusing the fact Dan was stupid enough to take them on; when “the right” were all saying what a waste of money it will be from the get go
      
      Who exactly are "the right"? The initial bid was unanimously supported by both the ALP and LNP at the time.
      
      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-16/victoria-commonwealth…
      
      To quote:
      
      The opposition has shown its support, with Opposition Leader Matthew Guy writing on social media that he was "100 per cent" behind the bid. "Important part of our plan to recover and rebuild. Great for regional recovery," he wrote.
      - Danstar on 19/07/2023 - 07:36
        
        -1
        
        @p1 ama: Conservative voters.
        
        Munki on 19/07/2023 - 09:47
        
        +2
        
        @Danstar: Conveniently ignoring the bit about how LNP supported the bid, huh?
        
        Danstar on 19/07/2023 - 11:16
        
        @Munki: I’ve never said anything about LNP.
        
        They’re just as stupid for wanting it / just using this as a tool to try gain votes.
        
        End of the day; Labor is in power and Dan is the leader who has turned Victoria into a bankrupt, crime ridden shit hole and you lefties just accept it
        
        p1 ama on 19/07/2023 - 12:46
        
        +2
        
        @Danstar:
        
        crime ridden shit hole
        
        Can you provide any evidence for crime being substantially higher now than previously? All statistics I can find shows that crime has been on a strong downward trend (on a per capita basis) over the past 10 years.
        
        What exactly has Andrews done to increase crime in Victoria?
        
        What are the specific policies that you would like to see implemented in order to reduce crime and what are your reasons for thinking that would work?
        
        you lefties just accept it
        
        Can you give any examples of "lefties" who are pro-crime?
        
        You're letting the tail wag the dog - you dislike Andrews or "lefties" as you say, and you're finding reasons to support that opinion. Don't be a hack and actually engage in evidence-based, intellectually honest discussions about these matters.
        
        Danstar on 20/07/2023 - 07:45
        
        -1
        
        @p1 ama: Can you provide any evidence for crime being substantially higher now than previously? All statistics I can find shows that crime has been on a strong downward trend (on a per capita basis) over the past 10 years.
        
        What exactly has Andrews done to increase crime in Victoria?
        During lockdowns, Dan was sending police on wild goose chases to anyone (of note) who spoke up against him. Sending police to peoples homes to harass them or threaten them with fines, even jail!
        
        No policies to deter criminals, especially youth crime. If anything making it easier for kids to get away with crimes they commit by raising the age of criminal responsibility from 10 to 12, and then from 12 to 14 in the not to distant future.
        
        What are the specific policies that you would like to see implemented in order to reduce crime and what are your reasons for thinking that would work?
        Do a crime, get punished. It's pretty simple. Crime rates look low because police don't actually report half the crimes they police on.
        
        p1 ama on 22/07/2023 - 14:10
        
        @Danstar:
        
        During lockdowns, Dan was sending police on wild goose chases to anyone (of note) who spoke up against him. Sending police to peoples homes to harass them or threaten them with fines, even jail!
        
        Can you provide any evidence of Dan sending police on "wild goose chases" to anyone who spoke up against him?
        
        I mean it's easy to just claim whatever you want without any sources or evidence right?
        
        No policies to deter criminals, especially youth crime.
        
        What policies do you want to see instated to reduce youth crime?
        
        How about free TAFE that gives youths something to do, a pathway towards a job, and keeping them off the streets committing crimes? What about the apprenticeships program that gives kids who want to leave school an option of starting out their careers? How about the Big Build program employing > 300 new young apprentices this year, again, keeping them off the street and committing crimes?
        
        Are these not policies to deter youth crime?
        
        If anything making it easier for kids to get away with crimes they commit by raising the age of criminal responsibility from 10 to 12, and then from 12 to 14 in the not to distant future.
        
        So what you are suggesting is that 10 year olds are what's turning VIC into a so-called "crime ridden shit hole", are you out of your mind?
        
        FWIW, misbehaving 10 year olds need a hit on the backside from their parents for misbehaving, not to be thrown into juvie. Geez, what are you on about my friend?
        
        Danstar on 23/07/2023 - 12:33
        
        @p1 ama: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8689285/amp/Sam-New…
        
        This is just one example as sam Newman being somewhat high profile, it was reported. Whereas dozens of others were not.
        
        So free tafe is going to stop criminals is it? I hope if your home is ever being burgled or you’re being car jacked, make sure to let the crim know that they have an alternative to crime and that they should go do some free tafe.
        
        So what you’re saying; let these 10-14 years continue to do as they please and get away with it cos by the time they do hit criminal age they’ll go to free tafe instead and be model citizens ?
        
        Is that how you think the world works? I can tell by your posts you’re not very familiar with the lower socioeconomic side of society.
        
        p1 ama on 23/07/2023 - 13:15
        
        @Danstar:
        
        So free tafe is going to stop criminals is it? I hope if your home is ever being burgled or you’re being car jacked, make sure to let the crim know that they have an alternative to crime and that they should go do some free tafe.
        
        The best way to reduce crime is to keep people off the street. There's plenty of evidence which demonstrates the long-run impact of higher levels of education, employment…etc. on crime. (e.g. see https://docs.iza.org/dp5000.pdf).
        
        So what you’re saying; let these 10-14 years continue to do as they please and get away with it cos by the time they do hit criminal age they’ll go to free tafe instead and be model citizens ?
        
        Just think about what you're saying for a minute. 10 year olds are still in primary school. What crimes are these 10 year olds committing?
        
        Is that how you think the world works? I can tell by your posts you’re not very familiar with the lower socioeconomic side of society.
        
        Not at all. I grew up in the western suburbs. Drug busts at the local school were a common occurrence. I've witnessed gang fights break out. I've seen people I went to school with drop out of school, become criminals. The whole lot.
        
        The reason crime occurs is because there are not the right systems in place to deal with these kids and keep them from the streets. They don't do well in school, they don't fit in, and instead of giving them a pathway towards an apprenticeship or something that works for them, we expel them and put them onto the streets. They end up getting involved in crime because they bloody bored out of their mind and end up trying to fit in with criminals. It's simple really.
        
        FWIW, let's not beat around the bush. You're good at being a loudmouth, but what are your solutions to crime exactly, short of whinging about it? I'm sure next time you're being car jacked, you can let the crim know that you regularly complain about crime and Dan Andrews online. That'll really help ya ;)
        
        Danstar on 23/07/2023 - 14:06
        
        -1
        
        @p1 ama: Yes let’s it beat around the bush. You live in your ivory tower and no matter what cannot bring yourself to criticise the political party you follow. Regardless of how bad they’re doing.
        
        I think it’s pretty obvious what my solutions are; make criminals who get caught suffer the consequences. Not a slap on the wrist, not “free tafe”. Put them in jail. Make their friends think twice before continuing with being a criminal.
        
        Your idea of free tafe or apprenticeships will deter criminals shows you got no idea.
        
        Yes 10-12 year olds are going with either brothers/cousins who are a little older to commit crimes with them, they get used because they know they won’t get in any real trouble. Their parents are the issue yes, but you can’t make a parent be a parent if they don’t want to. These aren’t kids who go to school regularly and just have go off 1 random night to make trouble.
        
        You regularly stick up for dan; good on you for being a mouthpiece for the most corrupt premier Victoria has ever had. Your part of the reason why Victoria has turned into a s$&t hole;
        
        So no response to Dan the Man sending cops to anyone who made any reference to his idiotic lockdowns ?
        
        Ps. I’m a loud mouth yet you do the same if not more. You lefties are literally like the Nazis, but think you’re the heroes.
        
        p1 ama on 23/07/2023 - 16:31
        
        @Danstar:
        
        You live in your ivory tower and no matter what cannot bring yourself to criticise the political party you follow.
        
        This is your problem. You're being a tribal caveman unable to think beyond "me hate Dan, everything Dan do is bad".
        
        I've not discussed Andrews at all here, because it's utterly irrelevant. What matters are the policies.
        
        I think it’s pretty obvious what my solutions are; make criminals who get caught suffer the consequences. Not a slap on the wrist, not “free tafe”. Put them in jail. Make their friends think twice before continuing with being a criminal.
        
        This is a judicial matter. Andrews doesn't determine the sentences criminals get.
        
        In any case, this is already happening. I personally know people who have gone to jail for petty crimes.
        
        Your idea of free tafe or apprenticeships will deter criminals shows you got no idea.
        
        People don't choose to not commit crimes out of fear. They choose to not commit crimes because they have more to lose.
        
        Why do you choose to not go out and carjack people? (or maybe you do, I don't know, but giving you the benefit of the doubt here)
        
        So no response to Dan the Man sending cops to anyone who made any reference to his idiotic lockdowns ?
        
        Sure, this shouldn't have happened. I'm not a hack.
        
        Ps. I’m a loud mouth yet you do the same if not more. You lefties are literally like the Nazis, but think you’re the heroes.
        
        You strike me as the sort of person who've never considered the fact that you may be wrong.
        
        Your perception of the world of "left" and "right" just strikes me as incredibly bitter. Do you actually have any other policy disagreements here, or is it just supposedly high crime?
        
        Danstar on 24/07/2023 - 07:27
        
        -1
        
        @p1 ama: You've not had to say his name, but your comments are basically defending the Labor government at every chance….
        
        I know people who've done serious crimes, and have not faced any consequences.
        
        It's not my perception of left and right; it's the world we currently live in where you the majority of people, especially the left cannot even for a second consider another opinion if it doesn't agree with their own.
        
        Anyway, nice discussion bud. :)
        
        ThithLord on 20/07/2023 - 08:54
        
        @p1 ama: Mate … but … but the vaccines!! The lockdowns!!
        
        idonotknowwhy on 21/07/2023 - 10:58
        
        @Danstar: Danstar:
        
        “the right”
        
        also Danstar:
        
        I’ve never said anything about LNP.
        
        What?
  - Mozzmanau on 20/07/2023 - 00:14
    
    What comments are you reading? 🤣🤣
- Danstar on 18/07/2023 - 22:17
  
  -1
  
  SBOBby boy. Come out and say hi.
  
  I mean I’m sure you would’ve been one of those who stuck up for Dan getting the games initially.
  
  I don’t see any of your pg comments anywhere yet.
  - SBOB on 19/07/2023 - 09:28
    
    +1
    
    Let me know how much I owe you for rent.
    With the rising cost of living, I don't want to be taking space up in your head for free.
    
    (and aside from the rent I owe you, I dont live in Victoria, I dont particularly care for or against their premier, and couldnt give two hoots about the commonwealth games…. but hey, you keep on obsessing if it makes you feel happier.)
    - Danstar on 19/07/2023 - 11:17
      
      Says the guy who upvotes the person who comments on me.
      
      Stalk much?
      - ThithLord on 20/07/2023 - 08:54
        
        -1
        
        @Danstar: You are so sadly solipsistic.

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