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As reported in the media, myKi prices are increasing by roughly 9% on Saturday: https://www.9news.com.au/national/myki-card-daily-fares-hit-…
It is till possible to buy a monthly or yearly myKi pass for the old price until Friday.
[VIC] Myki Z1+2 Yearly $1794 (Fare Will Increase by 8.7%, $1950 from 1 July)
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WA fares were capped at the start of last year to the cost of a 2 zone fare which was $4.90 if paid with cash. That later increased to $5. We also get 10% off if using a SmartRider card (equiv of Myki) or 20% off if we have automatic card reloading enabled.
So a year of travel, at $4 per trip 260 days a year (assuming 5 days commuting to work a week, no working from home, annual leave, or sick days) = $2080 max, even if travelling from the furthest zone.
It seems increases occur at the start of a calendar year, so we'll see what 2024 brings.
God Bless Marky
May he RIPI must have missed that they already announced price rises. Another 10c, so a massive 2%.
The cheaper regional fares didn't last long……
Well, all of us who live in Metro Melbourne are now subsidising them with higher Myki fares across the board.
It's still the same price to take the train for hundreds of kilometres as it is to take the tram to the local shops so I think they're still winning.
Compared to the upwards of $25 odd dollars it used to be to get into the city from a regional centre, this is still significantly cheaper.
MyKi Fare Increase by 8.7%
Reverse bargain
Also ASIC are increasing fees for business and company name registrations etc by about 10% on 1st July if you want to post that too
Far out. Money for jam.
I need to register 10 more business names and stockpile before 1 July!
Reverse bargain
Bar loss?
Time to work from home and watch the CBD implode
But then you pay electricity for heating, computers, lighting.
But the value is claimable back on tax
Yep. I hope wfh kills ptv
claimable back on tax
Which means you're still paying two thirds of the cost 🤷🏼♂️
Claiming something back on tax still leaves you paying the majority of the price !
The magic of solar.. or WfH interstate!
The magic of exchange rate or WFH overseas!
Was already way too expensive, now this is just getting stupid
in your case Myki is too cheap.. let's bring it up to $20
thousands of dollars a year in registration, insurance, maintenance and depreciation?
Most of the price of that is irrelevant to whether you drive or not. Depreciation is linked to mileage & age. The rest is age (car maintenance, if you go by logbook is often age, not mileage).
Expensive compared to other countries. Aussie public transport is pricy af.
$10 return to get from the cbd to footscray? It's no surprise so many people fare skip.
Expensive compared to some, cheap compared to others. You might want to see how much it costs to take the train in the UK.
Its expensive because we dont have volume/numbers. Other major metros have tens of millions of people using PT everyday.
@Piranha2004: And yet they're no cheaper in the UK at least. A long trip on the London Underground will cost you over $10 at peak time - slightly more than the long trip price on PTV. Despite the extra millions of users.
@Nom: My experience was more related to Asian countries. In hindsight, its probably not a fair comparison because they have a category/quality based system (especially in India). More expensive tickets have better quality and the masses typically go in the cheapest carriages (like those photos you see of people clinging to trains).
Aussie public transport is pricy af.
$10 return to get from the cbd to footscray?Weird example.
$10 return to get from Pakenham to Werribee is an absolute bargain 🤷♂️
@Nom: It's the perfect example to illustrate the problem with the system. We don't have distance-based fares, so city/inner-city public transport is expensive - while long distance rural transport is cheap.
Inner-west is especially a problem because the roads are absolute shit, and the alternative is expensive public transport.
- Compared to other countries that don't get ripped off.
- For certain trips? An uber, which picks you up from your door and takes you directly to your destination.
It's a joke.
Early bird parking is $12 at Flagstaff Parking, which is where I park when I drive in. I don't use any toll roads and my total trip in from the south edge of Coburg is about 7km. My car uses about 7l/100km even in morning peak traffic. Even cheaper if I commute in with a friend, which I usually do, and we split the parking costs.
And I'd be paying the rego, insurance, maintenance and depreciation (insofar as there is any on a $5000 Peugeot 208) whether I took the trip in or not.
$10 a day to sit on a rickety old tram for twice as long as driving takes, is a high price to pay.
Might be a different story if you are coming in from dingo woop woop, in which case yes, $10 a day is probably cheaper.
We need distance-based fares in Melbourne, but given the V-Line fare drops, I don't think it'll happen until/unless we ever get another Liberal government (and even then, I would struggle to vote Liberal, so I accept I am, in a way, part of the problem!)
The old trams are the good ones. It's the D class you gotta worry about on the 19.
Your scenario costs 50% more than the tram as a single occupant (which most cars are in peak hour). I also seriously question driving being twice as fast when you're sitting in traffic on Royal Parade or Flemington Road watching the tram go past you but I'll take your word for it.
@tp0: 50% more but I park across the road from my office, get to sit in warm/cooled car cabin and don't have to wear headphones to listen to music :)
Granted, if my office was anywhere near the trajectory of either the 19 or the 1/6 (which is what I usually catch when I am on the tram), the time would probably be similar. Just another benefit of driving.
Anyway, individual situations aren't really relevant to the broader question of whether $10 is too much to pay for a day's PT in Melbourne, which is really the point I was making in response to your post. Sometimes I'll walk to Moreland station and catch the train - especially once the new X'trapolis 2.0 trains hit the Upfield line, I would even say $10 return is a good deal for that level of service. But not for the ratty, old, forever-stuck-behind-someone-turning-right trams.
my total trip in from the south edge of Coburg is about 7km
This says it all really.
It sounds ridiculous that someone is choosing to drive this short distance rather than take public transport or ride a bicycle.
It just goes to show the cultural differences (compared to Europe or parts of Asia like Singapore, HK, Japan, and South Korea), as well as the poor public transport options and lack of safe and convenient cycle infrastructure, and probably a whole host of other things that have influenced our choice to be a car-dependent country, where 7km is seen as too far in terms of cost/benefit.
@brotherfranciz: You are missing the point - when the cost of driving is so close to PT, it makes little sense (other than for the warm and fuzzies) to take the PT, especially when the PT is of such low quality.
(In actual fact, most of the week I actually just WFH these days - the ultimate environmental choice!)
Melbourne's bicycle infrastructure is not set up for safe commuting and even if it was, it would require a total lifestyle change which is unreasonable to expect of the general public.
if you are coming in from dingo woop woop, in which case yes, $10 a day is probably cheaper.
We need distance-based fares in MelbourneYour conclusion is bonkers.
If distance-based fares meant that it was significantly cheaper to drive from dingo woop woop, think about what will happen to traffic !
The system is deliberately cheaper than driving from the outer fringes, for obvious reasons.
@Nom: But then wouldn't that mean that there's even more reason to take PT?
Btw I think a lot can be said for poor pt availability and quality.
Regardless of however it is spun, people vote with their wallets. They weigh up what makes sense and there has to be a cost benefit ratio
Hi commuters, we will increase the myKi prices and in return, you will enjoy more buses replace trains this winter!
And drivers, enjoy a increase in registration, license fees, insurance and fines.
No one wins
Govt does. They have a monopoly and rake in the dough. And no accountability, atleast not in VIC with what’s now defunct opposition.
How much comes in from public transportation fees each year, and how much gets spent on it? I don't think you've done the math if you think it's a cash cow.
It's cheaper than the alternative (ie, everyone driving), but it isn't paying for itself five times over.
@bienvenu: I was referring to rego, fines, licensing fee, insurance in the comment I replied to.
Maybe don’t butt in next time.
@MakkhiChoos: Sorry to butt in, but… that's not how it works.
You must be naive to think that "rego, fines, licensing fee, insurance (?)" pays for road maintenance. It's a drop in the ocean - it's tens of millions vs hundreds of millions of dollars order of magnitude.
@bienvenu: Except its super inefficient. PTV is absolutely bloated with useless employees. You get a horrible service for what you pay.
@DrScavenger: Yeah, it probably is. But even super inefficient, we're better off it existing than not existing.
I used to do the PTUA offer, but with hybrid working don't need full year anymore. Don't think many people would be buying yearly passes anymore, unless in a really secure job or service job that doesn't allow hybrid working.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/221555
https://www.ptua.org.au/members/offers/Probably cheaper to fare evade and pay a few fines thru out the year
why can't they follow Germany 49 euro a month ticket in Victoria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzuAohOSLi4&t=111s
Because instead of making public transport affordable Victoria are too busy playing catchup pumping money into roads, tollways and tunnels that should have been built 5-10 years ago.
Realistically the West Gate "Tunnel" and North East Link should never be built. The right call was made with the East-West Link to stop wasting money on marginally viable mega-road projects and we should have stuck with it.
M1 in Vic is a joke, start widening (1 lane), took a good 4-5 years to complete, and upon completion, then only realise the population has grown way faster than they can get the project completed. Then a year or 2 later, start all over again.
@JCRALLYART: A classic case of induced demand. They should have stopped adding lanes a long time ago and invested moving the traffic to rail (both passenger and freight).
Aren't our ticket prices subsidised by the Vic government already? We pay for a ticket, and then the government pays the operators (train or tram or bus) from taxpayer funds.
Because they're population density is 10x that of Victoria
Germany 240 people per Km2
Victoria 29 people per Km2What if I told you this used be 9€ a month….
idk
Man I sure like paying more and more each year to pay for the rest of the people on my bus trips that never pay.
Maybe they've got yearly ticket deals like the Ops 😋
Still gotta show 'em to the driver. :P
The bus routes I take…8/10 passengers just get on, ignoring the driver and machine and take a seat. I'm one of the 2/10 that pays. So I'm pretty fed up with it.
They should just make it free at this point, not continue putting up the price that's not getting paid. Very silly.
What do you have to show to the driver?
@GG57: Well, tap it on the machine, rather. a myki pass is still just a myki, so regardless of whether it's a physical card/Google Pay or what have you, it needs to be tapped on the machine next to the driver before riding.
But few bother to. I'm on concession now which made the payments more affordable (but still annoying as it always feels like I'm paying for everyone) but I assume this price hike affects me too.
I don't travel enough to warrant buying a yearly myki pass though, even if I did consider this a "deal".
You're assuming they don't have a valid ticket that they haven't bothered to touch on. Technically they are breaking the rules sure, but you don't know they are not paying.
@ezzaf: Why would you not use your myki if you have one? That's dumb.
(And I know the area I live in. I know they ain't paying.)
@Selenium: If my trip involves 2 buses. I tap on the first one. I dont bother tapping on the second one since i have already been charged for 2 hours.
@Selenium: I've already paid, why do I need to touch on again?
Especially when the reader often takes ages to scan a phone, potentially holding up the whole bus.
@ezzaf: Then you go to the back one and hold on while tapping it. Not difficult.
And to be honest, as long as you try, the driver will wave you on. It's just the teens and the bogans with zero intention to pay ever that give me the shits.
Not trying to convince you of anything, it's just a pet peeve of mine. Should just be free.
@Selenium: There are few inconsistencies in your comments.
You initially said that you had to show your myki to the driver.
Then you said you had to scan your myki at the machine next to the driver.
And then you said you could go to the back of the bus and use the scanner there.As others have mentioned, there are numerous scenarios where people feel they don't need to scan their card as it won't change anything with the fare they pay.
And the driver doesn't notice or care?
@Windows7forever: They ignore it. Not paid enough to make a stink about it.
(especially as, considering the area, is likely to get them decked.)
@Selenium: I see the same in my neck of the woods. 85% of the people just waltz straight in, the driver's don't bother saying anything for safety.
Inspectors would have a field day but they don't bother too much with bus fare evasion.
OzPriceIncreased
If the RBA was looking for another bullshit reason to increase the cash rate.. here it is
Worst public transportation for any modern city just got even worse.
Has been this price all year…
No bargain !!!
Nothing associated with labor is ever a bargain 😕
More cars on the road now
Cost of living has increased, yet wages pretty much stay the same…there's also shrinkflation that is here to stay
On one hand, the government is single-handedly causing inflation across various aspects of our lives. However, on the other side, the RBA, a governmental entity, criticises the high inflation and low unemployment rates, ultimately leading them to raise interest rates. Sounds like a scam
And then spend $30k of tax payer money on dinner the evening they increase rates
[I'm going to say something a little controversial. Like this, dislike this - Couldn't care less]
Everyone complains about inflation affecting everything but yet no one does anything about it. If you want to contest the latest increases as a result of "Inflation" (while also taking into consideration that cooperate greed is what is heavily fueling this inflation) then stop touching on and off, if 90%+ of Victoria stop doing it I'm sure the Victoria Government (and Australian Government) will get the message. Protest in a way that hurts instead of protesting with signs and megaphones (Which does f%#k all) as clearly they don't give a rats ass about helping 'The people' and all they care about is helping their pocket.
Ever heard of the collective action problem?
A collective action problem or social dilemma is a situation in which all individuals would be better off cooperating but fail to do so because of conflicting interests between individuals that discourage joint action
Another mail in the coffin for Melbourne City .. Work from home will continue now!
All you idiots are probably regretting voting for andrews now. Coulda voted for liberals and had $2/day fares.
Would rather drive than take PT any day of the week
Wouldn't be surprised if other states will follow the suit in jacking up the price