Cheapest X670 board at the moment..
Reasonable AM5 motherboard..
X670 based.
Seems to have bios flashback support..
Has wifi 6 support.
HU review here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN2gkbMQ2fs at 7:48
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Price reductions do not completely mitigate reputation damage.
also need to add in duration of time and public's ability to forget.
currently Asus has bad press so even with price reduction
some people who know about it will be cautious not to buy it
so only the people who don't know will buy it.
then over time
if Asus PR manages to apologise and fix the problem..
then slow the people will forget and might start buying it again.
this is what happened with the Samsung exploding phone..
which made one series of phone essentially "avoid buying."
then they fix the issue, and eventually now we S23
and people have forgotten or forgiven and buying from them again.
@pinkybrain: True. This will blow over, but right now it will hurt sales regardless of price. I think they will be fine come the next generation.
I disagree.
I literally just shopped for PC components within the last 2 days and actively avoided an Asus am4 board and opted for MSI at a slight premium, 80% due to back of mind fear of recent events (even though it's only for r5 5600x which is 99.99% unlikely to pose an issue anyway) - and 20% other reasoning.
For those that have been following the saga, trust and consumer confidence has been significantly eroded IMO.
seems to be an issue with Gigabyte board as well, based new news..
Not sure why they need to over volt the board etc.
what is that about.
@pinkybrain: Yeah, questionable from many if not all brands about what they are doing re overvolting, and why… but the difference is in the response.
I guess at least other brands have the ability to see how Asus reacted and not do the same haha.
Oh well that rules them out entirely by your logic. ASUS were never cheapest or best value; they used to ride on the 'best quality' coat tails, along with some 'gamer' vibe branding in modern days.
Regardless;
What do the actual faults have to do with the way marketing and legal handled the consumer trust side?
Nobody (but those who actually suffered it) is upset with ASUS over the literal fault itself.
Buyers were upset to learn their "official fix" would void their warranty. (And now they're backpedaling).
And that, on further testing, their so-called "fix", simply didn't, and hasn't.
Watch some Gamers nexus videos surrounding it if you want to gain understanding into why it's a brand management issue and not just a problem that was, or is to be "eventually fixed"
@Jayblesz: Thanks but I like to think for myself sometimes too and see the bigger picture. Try it sometime.
@Phreebee: Problem is, that without the industry contacts and insider knowledge, what you know yourself will be much less than the insider and independant testing.
Even if you yourself have insider knowledge, it's bad advice to spread because MOST people won't.
@Jayblesz: Dunno why you're telling me; I'm aware. lol
Give it another decade and they'll swing it around like the 90s again. Or go Bankrupt.
@Jayblesz: They're right though that it's not really about people just buying cheapest. Think you had a valid point about products being immature and customers being used as beta testers - that's one silver lining of Intel's boring refresh products, like Kaby Lake and the 200 series chipsets, or Raptor Lake and the 700 series chipsets (although their 2.5GbE NICs are a good counter example of a product going through multiple rehashes and still not having the bugs ironed out).
their lazy legal and marketing team are going to be playing repair-the-trust for a whole socket,
only whole socket?
Brand distrust can last a long time
I think some people still have fears about how reliable Seagate hdd
due to their bad hdd released before..
Don't forget about the Samsung exploding phones years back..
The lesson from those cases is that PR needs to
- get on it quickly.
- apologise
- show what they will do to fix it in the future.
I personally expect just 1 socket yes.
The Intel fans who want to back asus will scapegoat ASUS with AMD.
And with AMD promising a MINIMUM of socket life until 2025, thats a fair while for "the scene" to stay mad; I expect it'll drift from mind by 2025.
I might be wrong, but 'people' tend to move on from things VERY quickly these days.
people online have always thought too highly of themselves, you guys outrage a lot, a lot of the times it does a whole lot of nothing.
ASUS going out of business isnt going to help anything either.
Asus 🤮
Also the worst X670 boards. Pay the extra $100 for a X670E Steel Legend
Would make a nice chip fryer
Asus doing the usual, trying to screw users out of warranty.
Twice in years past I've taken them to consumer affiars over their refual to RMA failed motherboards. In each instance they dragged out the RMA process for a few months (sending same board back/forth between reseller and myself), until CA became involved after which they swapped out the boards with new replacements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGfc-JBxlY&ab_channel=Gamer…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ-QVOKGVyM&ab_channel=JayzT…
So glad Asus is having a fire sale!
I wouldn't have this at any price. They're counting on those who don't know about their 'problems', but that number is shrinking. Asus have some work to do.
“We fixed the fire problem!” - ASUS probably
Source: Trust me bro
OCing has become so braindead. Over the years a bunch of useful features have been removed from mobos to make room/budget for all the overclocking functionality. Fun fact: if the capability to overclock by, say, 1Ghz, costs hundreds of dollars, it's stupid to pay that instead of just buying the faster gear in the first place.
What features have been removed to "make room for overclocking"?
Ive been building PCs since the early 90's and I can only say ive personally seen the feature list increase.
yea in the good old days you could move the jumper from 66fsb to 100fsb and bobs your uncle .
These days you need to invest a whole lot of time for mostly pretty minimal gains .
For example SPDIF/Toslink audio outputs. I've been hunting around for the past week reading mobo manuals and most don't have these any more and don't even have a header for you to add one yourself. I can understand not having the socket by default but to not even have an expansion header?
There used to be many other expansions you could add through headers which few mobos seem to have any more. Generally they seem to be moving toward accommodating the most common use cases and the space on the board/BOM budget that used to be used for uncommon but useful expansions is now all taken up by RGB bling/overclocking stuff.
Also, prices are more than double what they were as recently as 2009.
SPDIF/Toslink audio outputs. I've been hunting around for the past week reading mobo manuals and most don't have these any more and don't even have a header for you to add one yourself.
I think that's just supply & demand: on-board optical audio outputs are used pretty rarely (I used to use them but don't anymore), and besides, if you want it, just buy a digital-to-optical module & connect with USB or mobo pin headers. I'm curious what types of motherboards you've been researching which don't have digital audio headers…
Been shopping for b650/x670 boards to pair with my 7800x3d and Asus is completely off the table. In saying that, there doesn't seem to be a definitive 'this is the board to get' as all seem to have compromises one way or another.
tossing up between the Asrock Riptide b650e and MSI Edge b650 atm.
Send it with the X670E Steel Legend, not a massive price difference. Around $100 iirc
Have had a look at this board - what makes it worth it over the riptide?
Well it's a B650E-X670E, better VRMs and features. Basically it
Can I smell burning toast? Oh no wait! That's the smell of melting silicon substrate. 🌋
Asus, prices of mobos went up and board features disappeared. As a long time fan my next mobo wont be Asus until they start caring about their customers again
Poor ASUS; probably a great board with new BIOS, but their lazy legal and marketing team are going to be playing repair-the-trust for a whole socket, I fear.