US Kelley Blue Book Reports on Transportation Research's, Study of EV Buyers

RockyRaccoon on 05/05/2023 - 13:13
Last edited 05/05/2023 - 14:42

The study was of 4000 EV and PHEV owners in the US. (while I couldnt see it stated, I would guess its their intentions when repacing their existing car)

Researchers found that EV buyers tended to stay electric — 63.3% bought another EV. About a quarter — 26.3% — went back to a gas-powered car. Just 10.4% switched to a PHEV. More EV owners stuck with EV's if they had their own charging station at home, and tended to be home owners (sorta natural)

Of the PHEV owners, there were around 50% that would buy an EV to replace their PHEV .More PHEV owners — 37.9% — bought another plug-in. About a quarter — 28.5% — went back to a gas-powered car.
From that the article summises that PHEV isnt a sure path to future EV sales.

Over to you… 😀

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Comments

  • spackbace on 05/05/2023 - 13:24
    +1

    Of the PHEV owners, there were around 50% that would buy an EV to replace their PHEV.

    Nope, wrong…

    https://www.kbb.com/car-news/most-study-electric-car-buyers-…

    Some analysts have predicted that PHEVs could serve as a bridge to EVs, convincing drivers to go electric with their next car purchase. Researchers found that that happened 33.6% of the time.

    More PHEV owners — 37.9% — bought another plug-in. About a quarter — 28.5% — went back to a gas-powered car.

    • RockyRaccoon on 05/05/2023 - 14:19

      Not necessarily wrong, but given the article is light on some of the details.

      They did say

      PHEV owners were more evenly divided.

      Which could relate to intentions, where as the section you quoted right after that point uses the term "bought" which would infer that the data in that para is about those who have bought another car after their previous PHEV. Not those who are intending on buying. But I guess which ever, it indicates that PHEV dont automatically jump to an EV.

      As you well know with car contracts (or houses etc) a tense, or an apostrophe can mean a big difference. 😂

      • spackbace on 05/05/2023 - 14:27
        +2

        You said 50%, article says 33.6%

        Last I checked, that's wrong info…

        • deme on 05/05/2023 - 14:35
          +1

          I just checked again, 50% != 33.6%

          • RockyRaccoon on 05/05/2023 - 14:39
            -2

            @deme: I take your point, but I did read their text saying

            PHEV owners were more evenly divided.

            Which I interpreted as 50%/50% ie, being evenly divided.

            But its been corrected by spackbace, so I'll update the post as its an info piece, not trying to color it wrongly,

            • spackbace on 05/05/2023 - 14:54
              +1

              @RockyRaccoon:

              Which I interpreted as 50%/50% ie, being evenly divided.

              Except it's a 3-way split, and the n mbers are closer to 33%/33%/33% than the EV owners numbers

              That's what the article referred to

            • bmxr on 05/05/2023 - 16:13

              @RockyRaccoon:

              PHEV owners were more evenly divided

              The article said "more evenly divided" relative to the other owners. At the extreme, 2% to 98% is more evenly divided relative to 1% to 99%. It doesn't have anything to do with 50% or 33% split.

            • deme on 05/05/2023 - 17:38

              @RockyRaccoon:

              more evenly divided.

              being evenly divided.

              You are still wrong.

  • pegaxs on 05/05/2023 - 13:36
    +3

    Over to you…

    I dont get it, is your post a statement or a question? You are talking about a country with 200+ million people and a massive market for vehicle sales, compared to a back water island with 10% the population and totally different vehicle requirements.

    As the owner of an EV and a hybrid, the EV will be replaced with an EV and the hybrid is going to be replaced my either a PHEV or an EV.

    If the government keeps wanting to mess with my EV though (legislation mandatory noise generators and regressive state taxes), then I'll be going back to ICE.

    • RockyRaccoon on 05/05/2023 - 14:11
      -2

      I dont get it, is your post a statement or a question?

      What is the thing about the post you dont understand.

      I wasnt making a judgement either way. I know many here argue for their own personal point of view, as you said you are an EV owner and we know very passionate about that.

      I was just passing on a report that some might miss, so I dont understand your question? or Is ita statement as well?

      I wasnt going to colour it with my view which ironically as I posted before , is that yes its the inevitable future based on what we know of the technolofgies today. But Like many things - eg Snowy Hydro, the road will have speed bumps.

  • Euphemistic on 05/05/2023 - 14:21
    +2

    I’m gonna guess that of the EV owners who went back to ICE, the majority of those cha mg ed circumstances which meant that the vehicles available were no longer suitable or their range/charging needs changed.

    There aren’t a huge range of different vehicles available yet. It’s mostly compact SUV or hatch/sedan, so if you need 7 seats or want a ute you’d likely have to go back to ICE.

    If you move house/work outside a reasonable distance or don’t have overnight charging available, it could be quite inconvenient to need to charge at a commercial charger every time. If you start driving more than a few hundred kms regularly (like more than monthly) rather than a twice yearly holiday trip having to charge during every trip could get frustrating and expensive buyi mg all those extra cafe meals.

    • seannami on 05/05/2023 - 19:22

      Yeah, statistics without context is not rounded research on its own in these circumstances, for this you want mixed methods.

      Or at least a breakdown of state, car model, age of car etc

  • Crow K on 05/05/2023 - 14:25
    +2

    I'm not going to read a so-called "report" that didn't even bother to check with our OzBargain forum hot takes.

    • GG57 on 05/05/2023 - 15:02
      +1

      A report that OP didn't share a link to?

      • Crow K on 05/05/2023 - 15:08
        +1

        (jv voice) Any report that failed to meet that criteria, regardless of whether OP linked to it or not.

  • GG57 on 05/05/2023 - 15:04

    About a quarter — 26.3% — went back to a gas-powered car

    Is LPG for cars back in fashion?

    • 2esc on 06/05/2023 - 10:12

      Gasoline referring to petrol and diesel.

  • Miami Mall Alien on 05/05/2023 - 16:03
    -2

    The study also confirmed that 95% of EV owners are smug, pretentious, virtue-signalling douchebags; an amazingly perfect overlap with the vegan demographic.

    • DashCam AKA Rolts on 05/05/2023 - 18:22

      Did you forget to add woke?

      • Miami Mall Alien on 05/05/2023 - 19:04
        -1

        No I thought that was implied and therefore redundant. Saying "woke EV owner" is kind of like saying "lithium slave miner"; it's a given.

  • djkelly69 on 05/05/2023 - 16:34

    From that the article summises that PHEV isnt a sure path to future EV sales.

    Not sure why it would be likely be a path to future EV sales. PHEV buyers at this point would just buy an EV instead if that is what suited their needs.

    They are likely buying PHEVs because they usually use their car to run around town but can't/won't give up being able to ICE when needed for long trips or whatever.

  • freefall101 on 05/05/2023 - 16:56
    +3

    So basically people buy cars based on what kind of car they need at the time they buy a car.

    What a shockingly bold insight.

  • seannami on 05/05/2023 - 19:36
    +1

    Data from 2015-2019, I am genuinely curious if the same would be true now given the more recent carbon targets and the change in President…

    • Euphemistic on 06/05/2023 - 09:11

      A massive increase in availability and acceptance of EVs.

      • seannami on 06/05/2023 - 09:13

        And that, I'd suspect the EV->EV or even PHEV -> EV numbers would be higher now.

  • 2esc on 06/05/2023 - 10:23
    +1

    The 26.3% returning to gas powered cars may be due to charging requirements in regional areas, range and need/desire for larger vehicle's.

    A lot of ev supporters critical of internal combustion vehicles dont really comprehend other peoples needs. If a quickly replacable battery was ever developed that a ev owner could drive into a service station swap it over and be on their way swapping over to ev would be a lot more attractive as well as the ability to carry another battery as spare.

    A friend of the family works extensively servicing the Aboriginal communities in NT and WA his 4x4 is modified to give him a range of over 2000 klms no ev has the range or ability yet to do this job. Last month he bought his wife back here in Victoria a Tesla to run to the shops put simply use the best equipment for the job.

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