-400W Peak Power
-960WH 20AH Battery
-Weight: Approx. 25KG without Battery, 29KG with Battery
-Battery Life: Up to 100KM Power Assist/40KM Full Electric
Engwe GT5 400W Folding Electric Bike $779 (Free Delivery or Pickup) @ PCMarket
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Where did you see that? I see 11 reviews, 1 x 4star and 10 x 5star.
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Do I need to pay rego for it?
Illegal to ride on roads due to motor power. For anyone considering the practicality of a folding bike, I daily drive mine and can tell you that the folding is not as practical as you think and you will likely get very little value out of it.
The battery capacity seems super high on this at this price point though- I'm surprised what the catch is. If it's really 48V 20A then it's a steal.
Where can you legally ride this thing?
"Off-roads". Most people just illegally ride them.
Most people just illegally ride them.
and would therefore be uninsured in case of an accident…
Don’t get into accidents.
If you had a choice, it would be called a 'deliberate' and not an 'accident'.
@jv: What happens with those bikes that are ‘limited’ by the manufacturers in case of accident? How do you prove that the user unlocked the illegal engine power?
Agree with the practicality point. I have a folding electric bicycle (Leitner brand) which I kind of regret getting. When folded it's still like 20kg and awkward to carry so it's hardly portable. And because it's small it has smaller wheels so it's harder to pedal and is a bumpier ride.
My take away is that it was trying to cover too many bases at once and as a result does neither of them very well.
Agree - my first ebike was a foldable. Big mistake, it doesn't really fold that well and its just the same weight in a smaller volume. Also the folding makes the frame more prone to flex and steering less responsive.
did you get the Tirol as well? i also made that mistake thinking it'd be such a breeze to fold down like their promo videos show. reality was so different; i should've gone with an e-MTB which would have suited the crappy paths/roads in my area. but it does have a 6 kph throttle which is great for getting up steep train station ramps.
I got the step through folding one. Yeah the throttle is sweet and I like how they warn you which wire you "shouldn't" connect to bypass the max speed limit.
In hindsight I would've picked a larger cruiser bike without folding functionality, or an e-MTB like you.
@jaypee06: ah, the Libelle. i went with the Tirol over that one cos it came with those little grab handles which were handy when moving the bike in narrow spaces. and also more options to run a lock through the frame.
lol yeah that manual even listed steps to increase the speed limiter via the lcd controller. great customer service, too, i'll give them that. never again with a hub motor though…no bike mechanic wanted to touch it when i had to get the taco wheel trued
Not legal in NSW
"100KM Power Assist/40KM Full Electric"
That's distance, not speed. The bike is limited to 25kph so why not legal?
@paddyo: Looks like the issue would be:
(ii) [Power] is cut off when—
(A) the bicycle reaches a speed of 25 kilometres per hour, or
(B) the rider of the bicycle stops pedalling and the speed is more than 6 kilometres per hourIn particular I don't think B would be consistent with this bike as you are able to use it in completely electric drive without pedalling.
@EBC: I think that could be interpreted. At 25kph, no more power can be transmitted to increase the speed, therefore the limitor 'cuts off' any increase in power. No?
@paddyo: I guess the "or" between A and B could mean that B isn't relevant if the power cuts off at 25kph.
Thinking about this a bit more it seems you just cant have pure electric drive above 25kph. You can have pure electric up to 25kph but above that you need to be pedalling. In which case this bike would be fine I think.
@nmartin84: My interpretation is same as yours. an 'OR' in programming logic is "a statement is true if either A, or B, or both, are true". Definition in legal context seems to be in line with this: https://www.wcl.american.edu/impact/lawwire/and-or-and-the-p….
The statement here is the cutoff, which happens when either the 6kph throttle or the 25kph pedal assist conditions are satisfied. So in practice throttle to 6pkh, and then pedal assist up to 25kph
@ShoeyAU: That's not how I read it. If you break it in to two independent criteria you can have a bike that:
1) cuts power when it reaches 25km/h pedalling independent (as pedalling is not stated as relevant in A)
OR
2) A bike that bike that cuts power when you stop pedalling above 6km/h irrespective of max speed (as max speed is not mentioned in B)
The first kind of bike is one where it doesn't matter if you are pedalling or not as long as the bike can't go above 25km/h. The second kind of bike is one that can go as fast as you want but you need to pedal above 6km/h.
@EBC: We can break it down into two criteria, however when you apply the outer "cutoff when…" clause to each criteria, the condition that joins the two criteria flips from an "OR" into an "AND", (as opposed to retaining an 'OR' in your example).
This is stated in De Morgan's Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Morgan%27s_laws
not something when (A OR B) = (not something when A) AND (not something when B)
Say we rephrase the clause to "I must stop when (I reach a red light OR I reach a stop sign)", that expands into
"(I must stop when I reach a red light) AND (I must also stop when I reach a stop sign)" <— you cannot choose one and ignore the other. i.e. if the OR was retained instead of flipping into an AND, then you could choose to run all the red lights you want as long as you stop at a stop sign.
@ShoeyAU: If that is how or is legally used, that is super confusing. It makes sense when you explain it like that but to expect people to deduce that to understand the law is a stretch.
Either way, thanks for explaining!
@nmartin84: although i dont know the rules on these (came here to learn) this would make sense what you said here.
I bought a pedal assist and it was all about max speed lf ¿20-25km/hr off memory
@paddyo: I suspect it's as it has always been. You hit 25km/h and all power assist is cut totally (until you again drop below 25km/h).
Interesting re: the amendment - I was wondering where the 500W came from when I looked up this URL
earlier and thought it was a typo: https://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/stayingsafe/bicycle-…But reading on this a bit further it seems the amended limit is a moot point because most reputable ebikes are manufactured with 250W that is in line with the rest of the world (https://thelatzreport.com.au/news/trade/e-bike-motor-legisla… )
"While Europe has a 1,000-watt category for large cargo bikes, and the US has a 750-watt ceiling for e-bikes, the new NSW limit was not consistent with any of those markets.
Peter said as a result, it was almost certain none of the major e-bike drive train manufacturers would create a motor in line with the NSW 500-watt limit."
I'm surprised the government didn't go for a 749 watt limit then…
Yeah. Good point. Rep, can we verify that it's 48v 20A please? It's not a typo?
The legal power output for ebikes has been increased to 500W in NSW
is this legal in WA?
I have this bike. Solid construction, but it doesn't have gears (and has a low ratio). As a result, when it gets to 19km/h, you can't pedal because it's going too fast.
Also, when it arrived, the chain was a little loose. The chain was easy to tighten with a spanner, but the chain did fall off a few times before I did that.
Finally, the back seat is useless. And because of the way it's attached, there's no simple way to add a basket.
Product review has one bad review (only review). Seems pretty bad though.