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That is correct.
I respect the deal here but don't buy eufy cameras. Besides all the privacy issues this company constantly promises things they simply do not deliver on especially the Google home and Apple home kit space.
What alternative do you recommend for wifi cameras?
What should we be considering ?
Going to also on the same principles have to rule out Arlo due the end-of-service-life policy and paid subscription requirements to access support service.
Not Arlo.
KBYE then
What alternative do you recommend for wifi cameras?
PoE
Assume running cables is not remotely viable unless you want unsightly external runs… wifi is it in my situation.
@jv: Come on jv if you're going to troll do it properly. You seem a bit pathetic scraping the bottom of the barrel on this one.
I can tell you that Eufy are MUCH better than Arlo. Arlo simply ignored their customers and progressively reduced the video bitrate on my Arlo pro 1080P cameras to a point where their video quality was worse than my original Arlo 720P cameras and it was completely unusable for anything security-related (I could barely recognise people I knew).
In spite of customers protesting from around the globe on the Arlo and other forums, everything was ignored and they just reducing quality. And, of course, now they have EOL-ed these cameras anyway.
So while Eufy might not be the best improving things (I actually think they are better than many companies I have seen), at least they haven't actively changed the cameras to perform worse than when the customer bought them.
These Eufy 4K cameras are day and night better than my old Arlo cameras in every respect. They have been up since 28/01/23 and the two front ones have recorded over 1,000 videos each (and nearly double that for detected events) and are sitting at 95% and 100% battery capacity left.
They have a higher up-front cost than most, but the absence of ongoing costs (monthly subs) and ongoing charging makes up for it.
What privacy issues. The ones that were raised up as actually not correct? Or was there an actual privacy issue
It was very much an actual privacy issue that was raised recently. Facial recognition images were being sent to cloud unencrypted (whereas marketing said it all stayed local on the homebase).
It wasnt like it was advertised out to outside users like the other companies have done
It was a thumbnail of the image for the cloud view of your own account login
@asa79: Local means just that. If they advertise their systems storing data locally but then upload to cloud secretly, then it is not local.
Even the Hook Up creator agrees with this in the very top comment on the video.@asa79: Yeah true, but being in cloud puts the data at risk for data breach (as we have seen happen to far too many organisations recently). And I’m pretty if someone wanted to they could easily tap into data stream because it was unencrypted traffic.
@OldSchoolHarry: To tap into that data stream first you need to hack into their wifi network first. Assuming that all the routers are easy to hack into as well.
No doubt it was an oversight in the principle of the statement, but for context what this was for was the image that is sent through device notifications to your mobile device.
This would of been encrypted in their context as they would be using APNS or Google FCM, which is authenticated and encrypted in transit.
When sent to your device and image retrieved its up to Eufy to implement end-to-end encryption, which haven't seen mentioned if they did or not, or lost in the tech media noise.
If anything they missed a disclaimer on the notifcations screen informing you of this and an option to turn it off, which is still an oversight.
Eufy did eventually provide an explanation for these security issues to The Verge. Judge their response for yourselves:
https://www.theverge.com/23573362/anker-eufy-security-camera…
Iirc doesn’t support 24-7 recording, if it did I would buy this as been really happy with my other eufy gear.
Does it only record when it sees movement?
As far as I know, yes. Whereas my outdoor cams are 24/7 looping to an sd card each. Can watch events but also scrub through the days footage if required.
Will movement of trees and plants on a windy day trigger the recording unnecessarily?
@delfredo: It doesn't on my solar cam or floodlight. Solar cam is directly looking at a tree on front yard and it has never picked that up. I have on human detection enabled. No cats or dogs picked up as well. So I can say human detection is pretty good. Considering this has homebase for processing, it would be better for sure.
How long do the SD cards last with that constant writing, I guess they are cheap.
I seen you mention this before but forget which of your cameras record 24/7, is it the eufy 2C like this lot?
https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/eufy-eufy-wireless-1080p…@Jimothy Wongingtons: @Jimothy Wongingtons do you have all wired or a combination of the 2? How long does it register for on the 32Gb before it needs to overwrite the old data?
@luca321: I have 4 out of 6 outdoor cams installed atm. The other two haven’t had the time to get the ladder out to swap.
I’ve never actually gone back to check actually. Anything I want to see I usually review within a few minutes if occurring or at least the morning after wake up
Yes. I don't think there is any battery powered camera which can do 24/7 recording. Else you will end up without battery within day or 2.
Yeah exactly
Technically they are recording 24/7 when movement is triggered, the cameras will buffer a certain amount of time (2-5secs) and then proceed with an recording
If you need 24-7 recording, then you know tech is far behind, unless you are in a commercial environment or running a drug lab
How many people have the time or inclination to scrub through hours of footage looking for something ? I have had the displeasure of doing that a number of times on work cameras and it is the most mind-numbing task imaginable.
It is OK if you are using the cameras in a workplace for detecting security or safety incidents, but for home I would FAR rather be presented with a small number of actual events to look through each day if I choose.
My BIL has 24/7 cameras around his new house and admits that he has literally NEVER looked at any footage (in almost 18 months) because he just doesn't have time - so what is the point of having them ? He admits that there could be people wandering around his house "casing the joint" (because he doesn't have the front gates finished yet) and he would never know. Their ONLY use is if a break-in has already happened which is reactive.
Getting a notification of a stranger still on the outside possible ABOUT to break in is a far more proactive approach to security than trolling through hours of footage after the event.
Not to mention the added (significant) cost of running cables everywhere through the house to connect the cameras to. For my BIL it was OK because it was a new build and he was the sparky doing the house wiring anyway, but to do it on an existing house is a huge and costly job (assuming there is 4-6 cameras).
I only care about 24/7 for the times I want to see what happened before and after the triggered footage.
The problem with the xiaomi and Imou hacked together setup I had before is I only had 15-30 seconds of footage, and that’s assuming it tripped the recording properly. There was always a delay in recording with the xiaomi especially so if you were walking really fast on one of my cameras you’d be flat out getting the person even walking by, just catching the last second or something of them passing. With my eufy I can scrub back and forward after even to see what happened.
My elderly neighbour got broken into 2 years ago. I had two xiaomi cameras watching the same area as the lens wasn’t wide enough to catch the area with 1 cam. 1 camera tripped and caught a bit of the last seconds of the person walking past my house, and the other didn’t trip at all… again, I knew the time it happened and if I had the eufy setup at the time I could have scrubbed either way to see more of what happened.
You are right though, no one is going to scrub through days of footage for the fun of it… been there done that for a work security event.
Hence its worth to pay more, both Ring and Google, its cover the entire event, even the spider scrolling through a cam. Had Hikvision before, quality was good but it was a pain.
Installing PoE cameras is extremely simple and not at all costly. The cables are cheap (often included in camera kits, but otherwise maybe $150 maximum). For a typical Australian detached home, cabling for 4-6 cameras should only take an hour, 2 maximum.
Having the option to have 24/7 recording in some locations, and only motion/person/vehicle detection in others, is a really great feature of wired cameras.
Good quality PoE wired camera kits that are capable of push notifications etc are available for at least 30% less than this discounted Eufy deal.
For a typical Australian detached home , single story with great access definitely.
Two story gets harder. Older homes gets far more difficult, and you should be aware if there is absetos concerns before your local certified cable installer touches anything.
I would like to see any quote for even 2 hours to cable in 4-6 POE cameras - even in a single story house - seriously ???
A sparky charges you at least an hour for the traveling alone. It would take the best part of an hour to drill a new set of holes on the timber studs to get the new cables down to where they need to be in the study, never mind removing roof tiles etc to get access to the cable and bring it out under the eaves or through a brick veneer wall to the mounting point.
And obviously considerably harder for a double story house and presumably a double brick home is far harder again.. Easy in a commercial building (well most of them), but far less so in an existing house or flat.
Even if you are recording 24/7, the camera/NVR's still mark when there is movement detected so you don't have to trawl through everything.
But it does give you the ability to look at either side of the movement as well.
Movement detection is not perfect and it will more than likely miss the start or end of an incident.Sure, but if someone is prowling around your house and doesn't actually do anything (yet), you are blissfully unaware of the need to go looking at all.
Agreed that WiFi motion detected cameras do have some downfalls, but I would think that I know about the vast majority of the detections in real time, whereas with POE cameras you have to be aware that you need to go looking in the first place.
My cameras are effectively an alarm system for me because I get real-time notifications. Right now I have 4x EufyCam 3 outside, 2x EufyCam 2 Pro inside, and 3 older Arlo cameras (1 outside & 2 inside), so pretty well covered with 2 different systems (at least until the old Arlos die). The same cannot be said for the vast majority of POE cameras.
Also available at Hardly for one dollar cheaper: https://www.harveynorman.com.au/eufy-security-eufycam-3-4k-u…
I would pay the $1 to NOT be stooged by Gerry
Honestly I don't like either company.
But his dog got so aggressive the board was unable to convince the RSPCA to remove the 8 millions she stole from the other members!
I have been using eufy cameras for over 2 years now and have been happy so far, until recently - it’s been twice in the last 2 months that my hub has got disconnected (and is disconnected even as I am typing this). Nothing seems to fix it. Last time I raised an issue with support, didn’t get any response but the issue seemed to have fixed itself(not sure if support did something remotely). But then, I had to re-sync all my cameras to the hub.
A week or so later, again my hub has disconnected. It gives a message saying internal memory is full, but I have no way to access it as it’s disconnected. I have reached out to support again - let’s see what happens. But I am definitely disappointed since the entire security system has been offline for a long time now.
Anyone else having similar issues or am I the only one ?Assuming this isn't Homebase 3 you have? Seems to be a lot of issues reported with Homebase 2 and very few with Homebase 3 other than compatibility delays.
Yes - homebase 2 - it was working fine until recently. Hope eufy also isn’t adopting strategies to force users to upgrade to the new homebase 3
I don't know if it's deliberate but will be factoring in about a 5 year product life when comparing costs of this vs ring or Google nest with subscriptions.
If you haven't done so already, try dedicating a static IP address to the device, rather than relying on DHCP. It's worth doing this for any devices you use regularly on your local network. You'll need to google how to if you don't know what I mean.
Thanks for the tip! I will definitely try that. It’s currently hardwired to my router. I need it to come back online first before I can do anything. It’s been a few days already and support hasn’t come back.
I am guessing one of the updates has caused the issue. I never had this problem before and now it looks like once it gets full, it just decides to get disconnected. And then maybe there is some default deletion policy which kicks in and frees some old clips and it comes back online again. But this is definitely not good. I need a permanent solution. Will give the static ip a go.Could you please elaborate on why someone should do this? Security issues/concerns?
Not a security issue. Just good practice and avoids potential connection issues associated with DHCP.
When devices get disconnected for any reason, they will re-connect with a different local IP address - assigned by your router's DHCP. Most of the time this doesn't matter for things like your phone, or guest devices or basic devices in your home.
But for something that you want permanently connected to your home network, it's good to give it a dedicated / static IP that no other device can use. It's like giving your important devices their own reserved parking space.
Other devices on your network (like cameras) that need to talk to that device, will never have the wrong IP address if it never changes. The web URL to access the admin screen of the device in your browser, will also never change. There is no downside to setting up static IP's for some of your devices, apart from learning how!
From your own link - "Issue has since been resolved with latest firmware update."
They get all they need to know from the title/headline, get out of here with your crazy looking into the detail and ruining their uninformed hysteria!
Every time the eufy cams get posted someone posts this in the comments in a monkey see monkey do.
Save $1 by giving Gerry his dog food direct?
$1517.74 for those with access to JB Commercial
The return policy of 30 day 100% refund for unused/unopened products excludes commercial sales. Do you know if purchases made on JB Commercial through company accounts (i.e. corporate benefits) would also be excluded?
The privacy issue aside, these are actually great cameras and do its job. You can get the previous version for a bargain and use Homekit Secure Video, that will take care of your privacy matters, but you won't be fully utilising its 2K capability and limited to 1080p (bloody Apple)
Thanks for sharing! I have been waiting for this to go on a decent sale again.
FYI - Bunnings also now stock this… so I thought I’d jump onto the online chat and try my luck with their 10% price beat guarantee and what do you know, they happily beat the price by a further 10%
Stock is very limited though, only a few stores have it
Stock is indeed limited. Low stock meaning none in stock..
My local said low stock but had stock.
They also said they were happy to take my order and once stock arrives post it to my address for $10.
Thank you got 10% at my local Bunnings
Damn… this got me all excited, only to find out that Bunnings has dropped their price to $1598! :(
Same price at the good guys. I think Shopback has 10% back later today from 1-8pm AEST, but better to go through price beat at bunnings if possible. Wonder whether this is a permanent drop as both HN and TGG don't show it as being specials.
https://www.thegoodguys.com.au/eufy-security-eufycam-3-4-pac…
HN is showing as special price ending the 26th. It's in the terms and conditions after all the product details stuff.
I cant get direct sunlight on the units where I want to place them. I wish the solar panel was detachable with a lead that could be run 1-4m back to the unit. Anyone know of a option/model where you can do this please?
Is it worth the extra money compared to the previous version? Any current deal if you need more cameras and the doorbell too? I was originally thinking to the REOLINK but I think by the time I account for the installation too it will cost a bomb!
What is the rough life expectancy for rhe batteries? I know it's hard to say but would i need to replace all the cameras after 5-7 years?
How are these with false detections? Eg sunlight, shadows, wind blowing branches and leaves, other sources of lights, etc
There's no need for internal wiring for power and data? Power is from solar and data transmits over wifi?