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Patriot P210 TLC SATA SSD: 2TB $135, 1TB $67.35, 512GB $37.25, 256GB $22.70 + Del ($0 /w Prime) @ Patriot Amazon AU

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More Patriot SSDs on sale and the P210 should be better than the Burst Elite SSDs as these use TLC flash memory instead of QLC and higher endurance with the 2TB offering 960TBW instead of 800TBW in the Burst Elite.

Edit: Drives may contain QLC instead of TLC however it still outperforms the Burst Elite

Like the Burst Elite these are DRAMless so they're not the best choice for an OS drive, but still a good choice for game storage, fast data storage and with USB enclosures.

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  • yadq on 08/04/2023 - 19:19
    +1

    So I assume these should be good for Plex to store movies on? Thanks for posting!

    • The Value on 08/04/2023 - 19:23
      +10

      Get a HDD for storing movies.

      • Tsapena on 08/04/2023 - 19:32
        +1

        Why ? I thought ssd's would be better for anything over platters

        • netsurfer on 08/04/2023 - 19:40
          +17

          Movies generally don't require fast speed media (think about blu-ray discs) so generally, you don't need to use SSD for them. However, if you have a deep pocket, then yes, SSD is better. Most OZBers probably sill have 4TB portable HDD for $100 from past OZB deals years ago.

          • Wonderfool on 08/04/2023 - 19:43

            @netsurfer: I made a few NAS out of them lol. Plex is useful as (profanity).

            • netsurfer on 08/04/2023 - 19:51
              +2

              @Wonderfool: These are fine for NAS. The 256 and 512GB version both have 16GB SLC cache and after that you get the TLC write of 210MB/s - still plenty for gigabit NAS. 4K random read/write is okay (not that great for SSD, but still a lot better than HDD).

            • CyberMurning on 08/04/2023 - 20:05
              +4

              @joelmuzz: Yes price diff. Is massive try buy 4tb ssd

            • TightLikeThisx on 08/04/2023 - 20:09

              @joelmuzz: Not to mention power draw. If you are using zfs and mirroring drives the power usage really adds up.

            • netsurfer on 08/04/2023 - 23:08

              @joelmuzz: Didn't neg your comment. I did mention if someone has a deep pocket, then SSD could be used for movies. However, after watching the youTube video:

              Patriot Burst Elite vs. Patriot P210 - Super Low Cost SSD Showdown - the bit which talks about the slow down in writes.

              If the 50MB/s write (when the SSD is filled up) is true, then it explains why the SSD is at seemingly bargain price.

      • yadq on 08/04/2023 - 19:37

        I do have an 2TB HHD for it already that I would rather swap for something faster, more quiet and more energy (heat) efficient

    • bio on 08/04/2023 - 20:58

      Good for speeding up old laptops & desktops.

      Also good for use with a Raspberry Pi (more durable than SD cards): https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000817346524.html

    • Micsmit on 11/04/2023 - 22:32
      -1

      Who stores movies these days?

      • PainToad on 12/04/2023 - 07:26
        +4

        People who don’t want movies they like being randomly delisted because of licensing issues or complains from “modern audiences”.

  • mitty on 08/04/2023 - 19:22

    I wonder how one of these would go in my Xbox One S. Was thinking of replacing the 500GB drive with a 2TB SSD. Kind of not sure if it's worth it.

    • netsev on 08/04/2023 - 20:06
      -4

      It'll just be an increase in the storage, there's not much difference in speed between a hdd or ssd in the last gen consoles.

      • StingyMan on 08/04/2023 - 20:20

        I dont know about you, but adding an external Samsung T5 to my og xbox one, made a HUGE difference in load times for games like forza horizon 4

      • Murpha on 08/04/2023 - 20:36

        Not entirely true. For the XO and XOS, the USB 3.0 ports are the fastest storage interface (SATA II internally). I used to place all the games from my library which I was currently playing on a T5. Most games benefited immensely. The XOX has SATA III interface, but unless you're opening it up, an external SSD is still faster.

      • netsev on 08/04/2023 - 23:14
        +1

        Can only speak from my own experience, when I replaced the hdd on my xbox one x and ps4 slim neither gained much in loading speed in the games I played on them, destiny2, horizon zero dawn, halo5, uncharted4, injustice2, dishonored2, mortal combat XL.
        There was hardly any improvement in load times for either machine, maybe 1 or 2 seconds in some but most likely was just a placebo effect since ssd were much dearer at the time and I was hoping the consoles would get sped up as much as a PC would. It simply didn't for me.

  • tempestswitch on 08/04/2023 - 19:25
    +1

    Would this or the Silicon Power A55 be better?

    • id on 08/04/2023 - 20:02
      +2

      Never again with Silicon Power! I have about 15 x 1tb I put in refurbished aio PC I donated to an edu charity and over half are dead. even if they are still under warranty they've only had 6months of use.

    • Clear on 08/04/2023 - 20:41

      Silicon Power is a bit of a lottery when it comes to the flash used. While they advertise TLC there's batches of QLC in the mix.

      • PainToad on 08/04/2023 - 20:51
        +1

        Silly-con Power

      • id on 08/04/2023 - 21:30

        you still would expect qlc to last over 6 months of very light use.. ie word processing, internet use, etc. these werent in the same batch either.

        • Clear on 08/04/2023 - 21:34

          You're correct. They certainly shouldn't die that soon. Could be a combination of using low grade flash rejected from factories due to QC issues, recycled flash and even poor soldering.

          • id on 08/04/2023 - 21:48

            @Clear: they were cheap for whatever reason! they are GARBAGE quality! Unreliable.

            some were bought from SP Amazon, Umart and somewhere else.

            • Clear on 08/04/2023 - 21:59
              +1

              @id: Always a risk with budget SSDs. I have a 960GB from AliExpress that's still going 3 years later. Uses Toshiba TLC, SM2258XT controller, 345GB pSLC cache and no DRAM.

              I'm tempted to grab an A55 just to see what flash/controller is used. I picked up this "Christmas 256GB SSD" for about $12 just to see how crap it can be. I'm certain it's using factory reject flash.

  • Wonderfool on 08/04/2023 - 19:27
    +4

    Man these prices are great, but I'm tempted to see how much lower can these prices will go by black friday.

    • magic8ballgag on 08/04/2023 - 21:43
      +1

      They'll definitely continue to drop in price, and then even more towards Black Friday 2024, just buy and enjoy now if you need it.

  • CyberMurning on 08/04/2023 - 20:21

    This prices are much lower than those crucial mx/bx , right?

    • senectus on 08/04/2023 - 20:43

      for good reason.
      the read and write speeds on the MX are almost double that of this unit.

    • Clear on 08/04/2023 - 20:44
      +2

      Yep. Crucial MX500 has the advantage of DRAM cache resulting in better sustained writes. Like many SSDs they've done a lot of component swapping between batches, so you may end up with good or bad controllers and flash. Unfortunately the 4TB and some of the 2TB MX500's will come with QLC flash.

      As discussed here

  • curik on 08/04/2023 - 20:51

    I'm planning to get 4x2TB on my DS920+. Is this a good idea over say Ironwolf NAS HDD? Data protection is priority for me, but I found the silence and low power of SSD appealing.

    • AustralianCyber on 08/04/2023 - 21:17
      +1

      Ironwolf much more reputable and higher endurance, so you'd be trading reliability. Depends what your use case is, if you're just storing files, pics and videos, these SSD's would be fine. If you're running virtualization and containers, or have a high daily write rate, you probably want to go Ironwolf.

      • curik on 08/04/2023 - 22:07

        Just storing files and running plex. Nothing else. Thanks for the tips

    • netsurfer on 08/04/2023 - 21:51
      +1

      We currently don't have enough data to know how reliable 3D NAND TLC based SSDs are because majority of them have not reached 5 years yet. We do know planar TLC SSDs are pretty much gone (first gen Samsung has old data read issue and later models aren't cost effective).

      For the SSDs I have which are > 5 years old are MLC and they all have wear level drop (that's the nature of SSD over time). I have had SSD failures.

      DS920+ supports NVMe SSDs for caching.

      • curik on 08/04/2023 - 22:11

        How would this compare to the P210? https://www.amazon.com.au/Patriot-Burst-Elite-1-92TB-Solid/d…

        • netsurfer on 08/04/2023 - 23:06

          Based on what I found on youTube with reviews:

          • Burst Elite is QLC and its sustained write (once the SLC cache is used up) can be really bad. One person (from Canada) is reporting 10-50MB/s.
          • P210 does better, but also suffer from slow write once the SSD is filled, it's better than Burst Elite, but the guy is quoting 50MB/s once the SSD is filled up.

          Patriot Burst Elite vs. Patriot P210 - Super Low Cost SSD Showdown - the bit which talks about the slow down in writes.

          Anyway, from that, I would avoid getting either one for NAS. I do have a QLC SSD which performs awfully bad (didn't intentionally get it, but the seller sent me one, the seller did send me a replacement SSD, but the replacement is a second hand TLC).

  • Phoebus on 08/04/2023 - 21:42

    No deal. SP A55 is way better.

    • id on 08/04/2023 - 22:05

      do you own SP A55?

    • MHLoppy on 08/04/2023 - 23:06

      For basic usage would someone actually be able to tell the difference though?

      • id on 09/04/2023 - 02:30

        i asked this as I had 11 out of 15 SP A55 die within < 8months of little usage.

    • shiningblade on 09/04/2023 - 01:07

      I bought 4 SP A55 from MWAVE and open & used 1 of them, with 650/950GB used, now write speed is only 30~35MB/s… Clearly not TLC speed, must be some bad QLC

  • ComputerPC on 08/04/2023 - 22:35

    I already bought from other Patriot Burst Elite deal. How hard to return the SSD and buy for this model given I already tried cancel but unable to ? I guess I will find out soon but just ask :D

    • Clear on 08/04/2023 - 22:47
      +1

      If you're unable to cancel the order you can hit up Amazon live chat and they can cancel for you.

  • netsurfer on 08/04/2023 - 23:13

    Patriot Burst Elite and P210 appear to be on sale in multiple countries. However, I suggest you watch this particular portion of the review before you buy.

    Patriot Burst Elite vs. Patriot P210 - Super Low Cost SSD Showdown - the bit which the person starts talking about the slow down in writes.

    To be fair, it appears at least P210's reads won't have such a big performance drop compared to writes.

    • Clear on 08/04/2023 - 23:20

      Which one would you go for?

      Assuming it's using SMI the reviewer should use this tool to get identifying information about the flash used. Saves having to open the SSD up.

      • netsurfer on 08/04/2023 - 23:24

        Personally, neither, because I have way too many SSDs. However, if someone must get one of those, P210 is the one to get (that I agree with the reviewer).

        I do have access to a cost effective QLC NVMe SSD as I mentioned in the comment above (seller sent me one unintentionally). Anyway, the sustained write is just awful. I know the latest gen QLC NAND has improved a lot, but Burst Elite uses cost effective grade QLC. QLC SSDs are usable, but do try to use them for mostly reads and avoids heavy writes (or do heavy writes overnight).

        • Clear on 08/04/2023 - 23:28

          P210 is a no brainer really I think and I'd still be happy with the Burst Elite purely for game storage anyway. I'll probably wait for something with DRAM before buying.

          Speaking of QLC SSDs I'm eagerly waiting for this one from Walram in 1TB for A$45 and this 256GB for A$12 to arrive just to see how bad they are. I'll stick them in enclosures later for not important data.

          • netsurfer on 08/04/2023 - 23:32

            @Clear: Yeah, gaming, QLC SSDs are fine because the initial transfer (if you need to copy from an existing drive across) is once off. Subsequent downloads from NBN, our NBN is slooooow. Reads are generally not an issue for QLC SSDs, especially for gaming.

            The AliExpress el cheapo ones. There is a very high chance they are lower bin NAND chips (NAND chips with defective cells). Those NAND chips are okay for SD cards and technically usable for SSDs. Problem is the warranty (basically there is no warranty).

            • Clear on 08/04/2023 - 23:45

              @netsurfer: AliExpress bargain bins are always fun. I'm still rocking my Reeino 960GB and at 91% full I'm getting 562/521MB/s read/write. It uses Toshiba 64L BiCS3 TLC with the SMI2258XT controller and about 345GB of pSLC cache, which I think is impressive given it was A$135 in 2019.

              • netsurfer on 08/04/2023 - 23:53

                @Clear: Any bargain deals for USB 3.2 gen 2 m.2 NVMe enclosures?

                • Clear on 08/04/2023 - 23:55

                  @netsurfer: There's a sale of some kind kicking off on the 10th so there's a good chance of some savings in the app or with coupons.

                  If you were after Orico I can probably get a good deal, as I know their marketing manager pretty well.

  • Cheapkiwi on 09/04/2023 - 00:08
    +3

    CrystalDisk info, if interested
    Just installed this, bought it at $138, then dropped to 136, now 135…
    CrystalDisk when running from an Orico enclosure (usb 3.? (maybe?)
    https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/177094/102915/screensh…
    then installed as internal SATA
    https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/177094/102916/screensh…
    Hope these help someone.
    Before I did the swap I copied ~70GB of mixed content across (from existing 128
    GB Sandisk), pretty-much at external speed rated, on average.

    Can't speak for XBox S/X but if anyone is looking to install SSD in Xbox One it MUST BE WHOLE TB (1, 2 etc) - a 960 GB will only acknowledge 500GB (I did this earlier with another drive, before I put a MX500 1TB in there) so do not go for the Burst 1.92, (for example) it will only recognise 1.5TB - and as others above mentioned, may not be much speed advantage (wish I had noticed sata connection speeds earlier, also mentioned above)

    • Clear on 09/04/2023 - 00:15

      It would be good to know the technical information, like what flash is being used and so forth if you're up for it.

      Assuming it's using an SMI controller, download "SMI Flash ID reader v0.566a" from here and then run "smi_flash_id_ata.exe" if it's connected via SATA or "smi_flash_id_usb.exe" via USB.

      The important information is the FlashID and controller.

      • Cheapkiwi on 09/04/2023 - 00:42
        +2

        Dodgy-looking DL site, but how's this?
        https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/177094/102917/screensh…
        Ordered 1/04, delivered 2/04, if batches matter.
        report-paste
        Controller : SM2259XA bufferless
        FlashID: 0x2c,0xe3,0x8d,0x32,0xea,0x30,0x0,0x0 - Micron 176L(N48R) QLC 2048Gb/CE 1024Gb/die

        • Clear on 09/04/2023 - 01:07

          The controller is what I was expecting. The flash however is QLC and not TLC that Patriot advertise.

          This means they've done component swapping and the performance could be quite similar to the Burst Elite that's QLC too. At least it's Micron's newer 176 layer QLC spread across two die, so it might not be so bad afterall.

          • Cheapkiwi on 09/04/2023 - 01:52

            @Clear: Thanks Clear - I'd be happy to complain to Amazon about QLC vs TLC, but I can't see anywhere in the description it claims either? (maybe overlooked?) I don't want to go chasing waterfalls…. ;)
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9U6JsBHpJg
            Seems to be getting the speed claims (once installed), but if durability is less in TLC and they advertised QLC I'd see what I can get.

            • Clear on 09/04/2023 - 07:12

              @Cheapkiwi: Looks like the listing doesn't say TLC. It was based around reviews but I guess either they switched at some point or some reviewers don't actually check what flash is being used. They've certainly updated the AU listing to have slower read/write speeds than the US listing.

              It still seems to outperform the Burst Elite so I think it's fine.

              • Cheapkiwi on 09/04/2023 - 10:31

                @Clear: Cheers Clear, thought your expectations of QLC were based on Amazon listing (not x-referencing claims/listings). Seems to perform better than Amazon speed claims (in tests), and if I use it as little as I have been, durability shouldn't be an issue. I think I had chosen this over the Burst Elite based on a comment of yours from an older post, but since I've bought this already I'll let someone else ask what you think of the https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B0B6881T53/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1… , claiming higher read/write ;)

                • Clear on 09/04/2023 - 10:43
                  +1

                  @Cheapkiwi: Fanxiang are on AliExpress and looking at reviews the performance seems to be worse. Lower read/write speeds than what you're getting in the Patriot and slows down a lot more in sustained writes. I'd say it's using worse QLC flash.

                • netsurfer on 09/04/2023 - 10:46

                  @Cheapkiwi: Thank you for running the utility (that's very useful) and the tests so far. The CrystalDiskMark test results, for sequential read/write isn't that important for SATA SSDs because those measure SLC cache speed (most SATA SSDs have SLC cache nowadays). The sustained write speed after SLC cache depleted is more important.

                  The swap to QLC does explain why the recent youTube reviewer reported ~60MB/s sustained write after SLC cache is depleted (because TLC shouldn't be that low). It will be very helpful if you could do a sustained write test of say copying 150GB worth of large files (small files will produce the wrong results - much too low).

                  176L QLC NAND for reads should be pretty good.

                  • Cheapkiwi on 09/04/2023 - 11:18

                    @netsurfer: It's not often I've bought something that's being queried, happy to help the community. The ~70GB transfer I did, mentioned above, was 1209 files in 180 folders, so maybe not helpful (most of it was Doom)? I can say the copying graph was chugging-along quite consistently, in the high 3-hundreds. I don't have a stash of "large" files though (no 4k movies, images/distros), so not sure I can help out in your request sorry.

                    • netsurfer on 09/04/2023 - 11:31

                      @Cheapkiwi: All good, thanks for the info. My guess is P210 has a large SLC dynamic cache (which makes sense for an SSD that uses QLC NAND). That way, for general usage, people won't notice the QLC native write speed issue (at least when not writing huge amount of data (i.e. 300GB)). There are pros and cons of that approach. However, for people gradually fill the SSD, that's a good approach. Once the SSD is filled above 80%, there is limited, if any, SLC cache available.

                      • Clear on 19/04/2023 - 19:05
                        +1

                        @netsurfer: I thought you'd be interested. Someone PM'd me about what flash/controller was in theirs. Using another tool it has the Maxio MAS1102 controller (formally JMicron) and YMTC-X2-6070 128 layer QLC. I've heard about YMTC but never thought I'd see one.

      • ouranos on 12/04/2023 - 20:07
        +1

        Bought a 256GB, they use TLC flash:

        Model: Patriot P210 256GB
Fw   : W0110A0
Size : 244198 MB [256.1 GB]
From smart : [SMI2259XT] [W0110A0 08] [SDKB5]
Controller : SM2259XA bufferless
FlashID: 0x45,0x48,0x98,0x3,0x76,0x64,0x0,0x0 - Sandisk 112L BiCS5 TLC 16k 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die 2Plane/die
        • Clear on 12/04/2023 - 20:20

          Ah nice one. Perhaps only high capacities are QLC.

  • JPerez on 09/04/2023 - 09:44

    Not Storage guru. The will using this to install games on for my pc be adequate?

    • Nom on 09/04/2023 - 12:24
      +1

      Yep, perfect for this 👌

      • JPerez on 09/04/2023 - 13:19

        Cheers

  • metalhead on 09/04/2023 - 10:17

    I'm thinking of picking up the 2TB version for my PS4 Pro.
    Will it suit?
    Hoping to give it a late lifecycle speed upgrade.
    Thank you

    • netsurfer on 09/04/2023 - 10:51

      With QLC being reported, you need to have realistic expectation when it comes to the initial copying of the games to this SSD, once the SLC cache is used up, the write speed could be inferior to the external HDDs nowadays. However, the reads (game loading) should still be superior.

      It's suitable for PS4 Pro assuming your plan is to eventually upgrade to PS5 (so overspending on PS4 Pro upgrade is not worth it).

      • metalhead on 09/04/2023 - 11:33

        Hi thanks for your reply. I'm in no rush to hunt down a PS5 yet. Might wait for the eventual slim/pro or even PS6 or whatever they wanna call it.
        Just wanted some faster loading speeds with my PS4 Pro.

        • netsurfer on 09/04/2023 - 11:41

          Like one OZBer commented above, while you do get improvement using SSD with PS4 Pro, XBox One etc… the benefit is nowhere like PS5 and Series S|X. Part of the reason is PS4 and XB1 based games were designed for HDDs so they are not optimised for SSDs.

          Upgrading to PS5 does give you the quality of life improvement. But with that path, you probably would looking for a PCIe gen 4 NVMe SSD, instead of cost an effective SATA SSD.

          • metalhead on 09/04/2023 - 11:47

            @netsurfer: Ah I see. I've got an Xbox series X and yes I can understand what you're talking about there. Love the instant loading/resume features etc. Thanks for your input appreciate it.

  • JSONBourne on 09/04/2023 - 11:18

    Would these be good as an external backup drive?

    • netsurfer on 09/04/2023 - 11:35

      Not ideal, unless the external backup drive will spend majority of time being read from. With QLC being reported and potential worst case QLC write (I am going to assume it is in forced SLC to QLC recovery stage) of 60MB/s write, you need to avoid:

      • Writing a huge amount of data to it in one hit.
      • Avoid filling the SSD above 80% if you have needs to write files quickly.

      Reading files form the SSD won't be an issue (should be reasonably fast like most SATA SSDs).

    • Nom on 09/04/2023 - 12:25
      +2

      I would use mechanical drives for this purpose, because they're cheaper (so you can buy more and have more backups) and they cope better with being left unpowered in a drawer.

      • JSONBourne on 09/04/2023 - 15:45

        I worry about mechanical drives being more fragile though in the long term. Wouldn’t SSDs be more durable?

        • Nom on 09/04/2023 - 17:14

          It doesn't really matter, because you need more than one backup anyway. If one dies due to old age, it shouldn't be a disaster 👌

        • 2xOKzC on 10/04/2023 - 13:13

          Agree with Nom. Unless the SSD is powered, more likely to lose data.

          Search ssd bitrot.

          Tape is probably best if you're really getting serious about backups….

  • TheWhizz on 09/04/2023 - 23:15

    Guys, I am really confused after reading through all the comments. Apparently each brand and model has a unique purpose.

    I have an old laptop which I am planning to upgrade with 1TB or 2 TB SSD (2 TB still seems like a luxury with current prices). It has an 9 year old HDD and is quite slow so I hope with additional rams and SSD, it will be a lot quicker.

    My main purpose is casual web browsing, a bit of nodeJs coding and backup for important photos and videos. Honestly, not going to use it everyday basis.

    Which one would be an ideal fit for me ?
    1. Samsung EVO 870 $112 (Amazon us)
    2. Samsung QVO 870 $120
    3. Crucial MX 500 $97
    4. Patriot P210 $67

    Thanks

    • Deepchild on 10/04/2023 - 01:30
      +1

      you want a drive with dram cache and tlc for the best. so the evo 870 or mx 500 but even this one is good enough.

  • Geekomatic on 10/04/2023 - 22:15

    P210/256 has a 10% fail/slow writes reviews. Is this typical of all SSD's? That seems a high fail rate…even some of the 4 stars mentioned slowness.

  • iamtheunderdog on 11/04/2023 - 09:49

    I’ve just moved from Homebridge to Home Assistant on my RPi4 and I hear that there’s a lot of writes made by HA that can wear out the SD card.
    Would the 128GB be suitable as a boot drive instead? Or any other suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.

  • irev1 on 11/04/2023 - 18:43

    was about to grab this but found a Kingston 1TB nvme ssd on scorptec's ebay for $68 shipped

  • hamwhisperer on 12/04/2023 - 16:57

    I got mine this morning and put it in the PC via USB3 -> SATA adapter.
    I always run h2testw on devices, even hard drives.
    To ensure they really are real, not fake and see the performance.

    At start, it wrote at 200MB/s - no problems, don't need 600 and it's over USB3.
    ETA to fill 2TB, 2.5 hours.

    Ignored it, worked all day.

    Checked it now

    Writing at 61MB/s - 5 hours in, still not finished 'filling' the disk.
    Has apparently only written 1.1TB in 5 hours, 14 minutes.

    Specifically got it, because someone said no no to the $129 2TB SSD posted in the last few days and referred to this one.

    Pretty unimpressed, will keep testing and revise my vote accordingly.
    Regular 2.5" hard drive would be better

    • Clear on 12/04/2023 - 17:12
      +2

      You've just learned what continuous writing on a DRAMless SSD does. It's operating exactly as designed. More so now that we know it's QLC instead of TLC.

      Once the small pSLC cache is exhausted on a DRAMless the speed will take a hit and it takes time for that cache to recover. Continuously writing until full does not give it time to recover. In real world usage you shouldn't be writing that much information in one hit. That's why HDDs for file storage and more expensive DRAM/HMB SSDs exist.

      Plus if you wanted to test it properly you'd do it over SATA. An enclosure delivering 200MB/s is bad and it's probably an enclosure that uses a cheaper chip like JMicron where performance will take a hit from heat.

      • hamwhisperer on 12/04/2023 - 20:47

        This drive will have 250GB written to it 5 nights of a week.

        It's now at 54MB/s and STILL writing. I literally would get better performance from a regular 2.5" platter drive, it's very bad.

        I will be testing SATA, I'm expecting the same results.

        • Clear on 12/04/2023 - 20:55
          +1

          You certainly chose the wrong SSD for this then. You need one with DRAM cache.

          • hamwhisperer on 12/04/2023 - 20:57

            @Clear: One would imagine the DRAM cache will fill and then need to wait for it to flush out.

            On a sequential endless write, the ultimate speed after long enough, is purely the NAND flash speed.

            Heck 110MB/s would be fine but this is ridiculous.

            • Clear on 12/04/2023 - 21:01
              +2

              @hamwhisperer: Yes the DRAM cache would flush and it would pick back up in speed, but this SSD doesn't have DRAM cache so that's not the case. Unfortunately it's not uncommon to get such low speeds from DRAMless budget SSDs and if it has QLC like someone else did above then the chances of it getting as slow as it was for you is common. Even some cheap NVMe drives will get this slow after the pSLC or DRAM is exceeded.

              Basically if you're ever wanting to write huge amounts of data go for something you know has DRAM and you know for certain has TLC flash. There's a reason SSDs like the Segate IronWolf SSD for NAS drives and Enterprise SSDs cost so much. They're designed to take massive writes, which consumer drives for everyday tasks are not.

        • Nom on 12/04/2023 - 21:02
          +1

          I literally would get better performance from a regular 2.5" platter drive, it's very bad.

          You would only get better performance from a mechanical drive in the single task of giant drive filling sustained writes. In every other metric, the mechanical drive is worse.

          You've only tested the drive at this one single use case so far ! That's the only thing it's bad at 😁

          There's nothing wrong with this SSD providing you just put it into a PC and use it as general storage. That's what it's for.

          • hamwhisperer on 12/04/2023 - 21:08

            @Nom: I'll bench it in a SATA slot but if it can't do 110MB/s sustained she's going to have to go back and I'll get another.

            • Nom on 12/04/2023 - 21:11

              @hamwhisperer: Don't fall into the trap of trying to benchmark full drive writes when really you only need it to work properly for 250GB of writes over a network….

              It'll probably cope ok with this (because the data is only coming in at 100MB/s…)

    • Nom on 12/04/2023 - 18:44
      +2

      This is normal for a budget SSD - in real world use, you aren't going to be writing hundreds of gigs directly from another SSD on a regular basis so it's a none issue 👌

      (If you are going to do this, then a budget SSD is not for you)

      • hamwhisperer on 12/04/2023 - 20:48

        I am fine with a slowdown less than 200MB/s or 600MB/s - but it's now 54MB/s - it's atrocious. It's slower than gigabit network and will literally impact my backups.

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