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Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB NVMe SSD $99.34 Delivered @ Amazon US via AU
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Yes. Although it runs a bit hot, I’ve had no actual dramas with a 512GB one.
what temp on what mobo
Somewhere in the 70s or 80s from memory if gaming. I think I could use a bit more airflow but I like my PC quiet. A quick google search suggests others have seen similar with 970 pro.
Could also be I’m looking at the controller temp not the “drive” temp, not certain.
I don't think OP made it clear if it was a good price though.
High end Gen 3 NVMe drive under $100. Solid choice for a boot drive
What makes it a solid choice for a 🥾 drive? Is it opposed to eg. data storage or being one's working directory (for eg. movie/photo) editing?
Quality components. Doesn't suffer slowdowns during large writes and more reliable for long term use since the OS has constant small read/writes.
TLC and DRAM make it a solid drive for 🥾 drive
🥾 drive means a lot of small frequent writes and reads.
TLC helps with endurance - your TLC drive will sustain higher write load of boot drive. QLC will lose endurance quicker. also TLC is faster with writes
DRAM is used to hold data mapping tables - so to speak address books for where the data is. on OS drives those mapping tables will change a lot, and also mapping tables will be read from a lot. on a DRAMless SSD those mapping tables are stored on the actual SSD storage which is slower than DRAM. therefore using DRAMless SSD for 🥾 drive will have slower reads and writes compared to one with DRAM, and also takes further hit to endurance as mapping tables are also written to SSD all the time, increasing write volume.
DRAMless QLC is fine for applications like write once read a lot (game drive, archive, Linux distros w/e)
for 🥾 drive you want DRAM and TLC, otherwise you're shooting yourself in the 🥾
things got a bit different when DRAMless SSDs started using host machine's RAM to store said data mapping tables, which is a bit faster, but still won't match a real drive with DRAM
Thank you two for explaining.
I thought Samsung 980 PRO SSD 1TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe Gen 4 Gaming M.2 Internal Solid State Hard Drive $139.48 it's a better choice.
Samsung 980 Pro is a better ssd but it also costs more and not everyone has a gen 4 compatible mobo to take advantage of the extra benefits.
How about these deal Samsung 980 NVMe M.2 Internal Solid State Drive 1TB $92.72 which one is better?
The 970 evo plus has faster write speed and Dram. https://versus.com/en/samsung-970-evo-plus-1tb-vs-samsung-98…
@User50301: Thanks. I am trying to educate myself because I have no idea on this kind of things. Usually when posting a deal for internal ssd I go about the historical price.
@Scrooge McDeal: https://www.hardwaretimes.com/difference-between-slc-mlc-tlc…
This makes a huge difference on reliability. The Evo plus used MLC.
@dockersrule: The Evo Plus uses TLC
The last Samsung SSD to use true MLC (2-bit NAND) was the 970 Pro.
@dogsryummy: I was looking at the Samsung website under General feature - "Samsung V-NAND 3-bit MLC"
https://www.samsung.com/au/memory-storage/nvme-ssd/970-evo-p…
@dockersrule: Looks like Samsung have decided that as MLC means "multi-level cell", instead of saying "TLC" they'll say "3-bit MLC".
The SLC/MLC/TLC terminology was terrible anyway.
SLC cells stored 2 levels of charge - which code for 1 bit.
MLC stored 4 levels of charge - which code for 2 bits.
TLC stores 8 levels of charge - which code for 3 bits.So the "level" part of the acronym was a fudge all along. (And once you think about needing to reliably distinguish between 8 or 16 levels of charge stored on a tiny cell, it really helps you understand why TLC and QLC flash have so much worse write endurance, as the cell charge capacity drops a little with each write.)
@dockersrule: That's Samsung trying to retroactively change the naming of their products to make them look better. While it's true that the M in MLC technically stands for "multi", meaning anything from 2 to infinity, it's
been traditionally reserved by the industry for 2-bit NAND only.3-bit NAND? That's TLC, not 3-bit MLC. Otherwise manufacturers will start calling QLC 4-bit MLC.
1-bit = SLC
2-bit = MLC
3-bit = TLC
4-bit = QLCSamsung did this because up to the 970 series, the main differentiating factor between the EVO and PRO lines were the use of TLC and MLC respectively. The cost of MLC became too much and the market for it became too niche, and so the 980 Pro came with TLC for the first time as a Pro drive, pissing a lot of people off and completely erasing the whole point of the Pro lineup in the first place. Samsung thought they could get away with it by naming the NAND used as 3-bit MLC. And now everything they make with TLC is called 3-bit MLC to pump up their products and make them look better than they really are.
Might be if you've got a gen 4 slot. Also, I think most users will struggle to tell the difference between a gen 3 and gen 4 NVMe.
yes. in day to day no one will notice a difference
it's better to future proof and get gen4 if price difference isn't dramatic. 980 Pro however has been plagued with issues lately. 970 Evo is a safer bet between the two
I will get another Kingston though, kc3000
Would you get warranty on this?
Other posters have indicated no . Local distributor would not assist, and had to courier back to the US for replacement.
Amazon are not like the used to be past their non-return date.
Thanks for that. Don't know why you would get it from the US. Not worth not having a warranty.
samsung only provides international warranty to their laptops..
You won’t get warranty because it’s not purchased directly from an Aussie retailer, however, for 100 dollaridoos for this drive (I can vouch for them. Have had 2 1TB ones in the past and currently have 2 2TB ones) it’s worth the risk. I’d say go for it if you have a mobo/Laptop that only supports up to Gen 3 nvme drives, you won’t regret it.
The 970 EVO Plus reaches sequential read/write speeds up to 3,500/3,300 MB/s. Abit slow in today standard
Not slow if you computer is only gen 3 compatible. Also a lot quicker if coming from a non ssd hd.
Agreed, plenty of people on b450/x470 mobos (and equiv. intel platforms), this is great for them. I pulled one of these out of a PC I bought for cheap and upgraded my desktop from a DRAM SATA SSD, and its running brilliantly :))
I’ll third this. If you have a mobo or laptop that can only support up to a Gen 3 nvme drive, go for this, they are great drives.
Found the guy who only looks at benchmark numbers and not real world usage.
I still have my 980 pro 1tb samsung from the last deal still unopened as it's got the heatsink on it and my mobo already has nvme heatsink.
Is this heaps slower than the above?
What motherboard/processor generation are you using?
And you can’t just remove then included mobo heat sink?
Hi does this work with ps5
No this is gen 3.
Any advice on what’s best for a ps5?
What capacity do you require 1TB, 2TB or 4TB? What is your budget? WD SN850x, CORSAIR MP600 PRO LPX or Samsung 990 Pro are well liked but they are generally over $250 or more for a 2TB as they are all gen 4 with speeds exceeding the Sony recommended 5,500mb. The Samsung 990 Pro has recently had issues that a recent firmware update has supposedly fixed but some are still weary of. You also have to either make sure your ssd comes with heatsink or remember to add extra $ to buy one separately as Sony recommends one for the PS5.
Thanks OP, bought 1 and will be used as boot drive for windows OS.
A quick question, if windows OS is on gen3 speed, would it cap the gen4 drives that have other files loaded on it (i.e. games)?
Well if your apps are installed on the boot drive (gen 3) and these are reading/writing from/to gen 4, then you'll have a bit of performance penalty, however, this penalty in real life is unnoticeable by most people. Gen 4 makes sense for newer platforms and PS5 etc.
If you boot from this SSD (which is gen3) and you have other SSDs which are gen4 (and are installed on gen4 NVMe m.2. slots). Those gen4 SSDs will still operate in gen4 mode. Obviously, if you were to copy files to and from 970 Evo Plus, you will be limited to gen3's max read/write.
I basically put OS on every single one of my SSDs installed onto a PC, mostly to allow using Windows 10 and Windows 11 + having a backup should one SSD failed. However, for NVMe SSDs, you cannot disable them from BIOS like SATA so if one of your other NVMe SSDs is bootable, you will need to temporary remove it/them before installing OS on this SSD. Windows does support multiple boot partitions from multiple SSDs but that boot manager can be a bit iffy at times.
Can see why the prices of this set of Samsung drives is lowering, after the 0E errors going around in some of their nvme drives:
https://old.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/x82mwe/samsung_ss…Not a drive I would purchase from the US without a local warranty
Didn't they already fix that issue in a Firmware update? So realistically all you do is put in in a system, install Samsung Magician, let it update the firmware and you're done? I mean also for the price, eh, roll the dice.
I was reading through quite a bit, and all I recall about the firmware update was that some people were confused, because the 'latest' firmware update was dated before the problem was revealed. People can risk it for the price if they choose, but I'd at least prefer to have a warranty that Samsung can be forced to honor outside of Amazon's 30 day returns. Some Amazon reviews stating it's difficult enough to get Samsung to act on warranties in Canada, so even that's annoying! Plenty of comparable/better drives, with warranties, so just personally wouldn't bother.
Oh man, now you are getting me concerned after purchasing it - no wonder the price is so cheap.
Look, to be honest, I think it'll be fine. Yes, as @thatnewtechsmell has said, that issue has existed but I still think you'll be ok. For $100, just send it.
https://www.amazon.com.au/Interface-Internal-Technology-MZ-V…
The same link now price is $91.75 now which is a better price
Is this a good price