My council is going to change to a fortnighly general waste collection!! While green bin is changed to every week. My 80 litre red bin is full every week. How do people cope with this madness!?
Council Changing General Waste Collection to Fortnightly!!
mrvaluepack on 21/03/2023 - 06:43
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already have, their bins are already full as well.
cbf with politics. not a loser and already have a job with family.
dont want to piss the neighbors off
thought about it but all the surrounding councils have already/going to do this as well.why become a major when you can be a general?
… become major and chnage the rules
LMAO.. yea its that easy eh. You and 10 others walk into a meeting and all demand chnages and they happen..
haven't you watched departed!
its a 10 year plan but totally worth it for bin to be dumped weeklyhim and his 10 mates become councilors, then in 8 years time, he will vote one as major
then boom, implement change in policy!haven't you watched departed!
Nope.
Some LGAs have had this for years. It’s dumb, I could handle that stupid green bin going fortnightly but not the red one
You can pay for a weekly pick up of the red bin if you need/want it
Yep, been at least 20 years. Red (general waste) bin is rarely more than half full. Guess it could be a problem for those with huge families.
Guess the issues is more for general waste to be lying for that long. And thing would decompose for longer creating unnecessary messy smell. Ask someone who has baby at home.
Depends on the household, there's very little that goes into my general waste that can decompose. Most food scraps go in the compost. Things that can't are frozen and go into the bin the night it's put out for collection. I can see nappies being a problem, don't know what the solution is there.
I can see nappies being a problem, don't know what the solution is there.
Cloth nappies, ie. what people used before they became lazy and chose to waste vast amounts of plastic for the sake of convenience….
@stewy: I can't see the majority of people really considering that an option. Convenience always wins out.
@apsilon: Oh well they can suck it up and pay the council for an extra bin and put up with the smell.
Society has a big waste problem, something which simply signing up for emission reduction schemes won't solve, people and companies need to change their habits. Introducing FOGO bins and reducing the size or frequency of waste bins is a good way to encourage people to change their habits.
@stewy: No solution to the nappy issue. You may need to use very thick plastic bags and tie them very hard to prevent smell from coming out.
doubt anyone would use cloth nappies. Do you wash them in the washing machine? That would be a little interesting.
Or maybe let the cats eat it. :)
@apsilon: The solution is for local councils to restrict their activities to "Roads, Rates & Rubbish" rather than social engineering.
@Leadfoot6: I don't want a random cat in my house or property. Just like I don't want a random stranger in my house or property; even if that random stranger gives happiness. Watch out Santa!
@Leadfoot6: The fact a council is actually doing something positive to control cats aside, I still don't see what your reply has to do with a solution to used nappies being collected fortnightly?
@apsilon: Cats don't need to be controlled.
Rubbish collection does.
Collecting rubbish is what rates are paid for.
When I was growing up if any councillor advocated controlling cats they would have been laughed at in derision.@Leadfoot6: Cats definitely should be controlled if not out right banned but that aside, still not seeing the nappy connection.
@Leadfoot6: That's a shame as I'd really love to know how free roaming cats are a solution to dirty nappies.
@apsilon: I'm really hoping the following article might help you, but I am somewhat concerned that you might not grasp its simplicity:
"Free market think tank the Institute of Public Affairs has called on local councils to reduce red tape and stick to their knitting as a new poll confirms Australians’ hostility towards this growing level of government.
“Australians have had a gutful of virtue signalling local councils getting involved in every area of policy except for the basics,” said Gideon Rozner, Director of Policy at the IPA.
“Every year rates go up, yet the quality of services goes down.”
“From foreign policy, to climate, to dictating what food people are allowed to sell at food trucks, local councils are increasingly becoming fiefdoms where power hungry local representatives are taking on responsibilities that should be reserved for state or federal governments.”
“Councils have forgotten that their core purpose is to collect rubbish, fix local roads and keep rates down. And some can’t even do that very well.”
“Small business in particular, is disproportionately affected by council red tape, delays and loopy rules,” said Mr Rozner.
[…..]https://ipa.org.au/publications-ipa/poll-local-councils-shou…
P.S. I can't help it if you are a cat hater.
Seek help from a medical professional.
@Leadfoot6: Nope, still don't see it. I said " I can see nappies being a problem, don't know what the solution is there."
To which you replied "The solution is for local councils to restrict their activities to "Roads, Rates & Rubbish" rather than social engineering."
Now, IMO dirty nappies are rubbish so can't see what you're getting at as it would seem to fall into what you say councils should stick so said I don't get it so you then go on to rant about cats being allowed to free roam so no, I don't see how cats free roaming are a solution to dirty nappies.
I will agree that it shouldn't be councils regulating cats, I'd much rather see that done at the federal level.
@Wasabi Ninja: I have a university degree in Accounting/Economics, and a pilots licence and am educated enough to be very competitive playing in a trivia team of one, beating larger teams on a regular basis.
I have a better education than most, and am a cat lover who is happy for mine to live like nature intended.
@Leadfoot6: I’ve never wanted to be uneducated. Zero jealousy.
Even children in primary school are educated enough to know that the RSPCA support confined cats. It’s also supported by vets, and conservationists in the same manner.
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100716436
@Leadfoot6: Nature didn't intended for cats to be in neighbourhoods but I think the cats who come to my property know a little bit about what happens to them. :) So impressed by your accounting degree etc. Very nice.
@Naigrabzo: Again, jealousy.
And, on the contrary, containing cats is unnatural, and a 21st century first world problem, which I did not grow up with.
P.S. It looks like you could inflict cruelty on a blameless cat.
How would you fare against a man?
I know how capable you would be.
Confronted with someone of similar stature to yourself, I imagine that you would get a gold medal for the 100 metre sprint…..backwards.
@Leadfoot6: I just base my life on facts and reality.
The scientific community (sorry not the people with poor grades that did accounting) will continue to push the containment of cats. I can fully understand your inability to comprehend why the changes are necessary and I sympathise with you. There may be some literature with pictures at the local kindergarten.https://kb.rspca.org.au/knowledge-base/is-it-okay-to-keep-my…
and am a cat lover who is happy for mine to live like nature intended.
if that was true, you'd also be happy for your domestic cat to be out on the loose with other domestic animals, such as dogs, and let 'nature' take its course?
Always amazes me that cat owners are fine with the cats wondering free, with disregard of how it may impact other neighbors or local fauna.
@SBOB: I grew up with all the cats in my family roaming free.
So did all of society until about 20 years ago.
Containing cats is a 21st century phenomena.
@Leadfoot6: Not sure about the intouch with reality. You haven’t kept up with a changing society that’s improving mistakes of the past. Change can be hard for those with very little education sadly.
@Wasabi Ninja: You, like many millenials & gen. whatevers think that you can ram your views down other peoples throats.
Not so.
@Leadfoot6: I’m very confident that the evidence to keep cats contained will continue to put pressure on all councils to pass laws to keep them confined to the owner’s property. It’s great and kinda entertaining that you are struggling with the concept. I wouldn’t be surprised if some areas end up banning cats. No ramming views. Fact is your council banned roaming cats.
I’m too old to be a millennial 😂@Wasabi Ninja: My council has not banned roaming cats.
Where did you get that idea from?
You don't know which LGA that I live in.
@Wasabi Ninja: I did not say I lived there.
I am just promoting that people who want to object sign the petition and donate to help others be informed about it.
I'm not even from Victoria, although I did spend a week in Bayswater 4 years ago having my engine and suspension upgraded by the Mitsubishi specialist there.
@Leadfoot6: I absolutely love how scattered you come across. Completely insane, and I love it!!! Keep up the good work mate.
You, like many millenials & gen. whatevers think that you can ram your views down other peoples throats.
Not so.should they also get off your lawn?
@SBOB: When my lawn was mown today by the contractor, he did not mention to me the presence of any strays: cats, people, views or otherwise.
cat lover who is happy for mine to live like nature intended.
Do you mean undomesticated and not in Australia?
playing in a trivia team of one
I cannot overstate how much everything you've said in this thread screams "plays in a trivia team of one".
@Leadfoot6: "… a cat lover who is happy for mine to live like nature intended…"
So, not living in Australia then.
@Leadfoot6: There was a random cat who in my in-laws yard. Harrassing and trying to kill our pet chickens. Did many things over several months to keep it away. Nothing worked. Spoke to council many times and they eventually recommend trapping it and sending it to the local animal shelter and letting them try and locate the owner. It it's microchipped I'm sure owner was found…if not, well that's not my problem anymore. Safe to say. No more cat in my in-laws yard.
This is what can happen if your cat roams around. It's not our responsibility to control someone else's animal. My dog wants to roam free too….I'd be a moron to let it off unleashed because it gives us joy.
@Leadfoot6: Sorry, I can't help but comment when I see these kind of comments.
Many people don't really understand the role of local government. It's really easy to simplify its role as being 'roads, rates and rubbish' but legislatively its role is far greater than that and in effect local government ends up bearing the responsibility of things that aren't addressed by state and federal governments.
Most councils have in excess of 100+ services they provide, beyond just your roads and your rubbish. They are responsible for things like libraries, maternal and child health care, youth services, aged care services and town planning, just to name a few of them. In some shape or form it is legislated that councils need to address these issues. In Victoria the Public Health and Wellbeing Act mandates that councils address public health and wellbeing in their municipality.
So actually, councils do need to undertake 'social engineering' as mandated in legislation.
More than that, councils are best placed to advocate on behalf of residents given they are the level of government most closely aligned with the community and therefore should understand the needs of the community best.
I highly recommend reading your local council's plan to see the scope of responsibilities your council has and their priorities in the long term. I guarantee you it will go beyond the trope of 'roads, rates and rubbish.'
It is relative though, I know it might not be nice for an extra week, but its either lying in your bin or in the back of a truck / huge landfill adding to the ‘mess’ in that environment.
@JackFrost: This is true. The smell is annoying but could be contained a little better by putting foam inserts around the bin lid. To be fair, once I forgot to put my red bin out and there were huge maggots in it by the second week. Unfortunately I can't compost meat or cooked foods at this stage so it has to go in the red bin.
Given that the OP cannot control his council, he may have to adapt.
Yep, we have weekly red but could go fortnightly as it's never over half full. Family of 5, just good at sorting into recycling bin.. And on a budget so not able to buy too much random stuff each week..
And if we do have a big week, that's what the neighbours bin is for..
Our green bin is usually full but rarely the red bin, I could definitely handle fortnightly for general waste, it would only be the smell. Usually our red bin is only 1/4-1/3 full. Family of 2 adults 1 young child. Even when we used to use nappies it wouldn’t fill up.
Recycle more.
Buy less.
hug a tree,
save the WhalesUnlikely to help with waste management.
If your property is across 2 different streets get an extra bin for the back of your property (doesn’t cost extra).
Ooo really, can i really do that? My property technically consists of 2 parcels of land.
2 rates bills? If so you get two bins.
Nah, i just checked the councils website and my 2 x lots are all under one address :(
That depends in your local council
I'm in Manningham council of Victoria. If you look under edge of bin, there is a HID RFID tracking tag. Who knows what the data is for
Parents in Maribyrnong council of Victoria don't have this. I guess you could have extra bins and council would never know
Get extra bin. If you have small kids with nappy, it is usually free. Check the council website.
Or start dumping to park bin.
What's filling up your red bin every week?
Is this part of the move to green+food waste bin? i.e. the green bin will now take garden waste and food scraps? Wouldn't that reduce the stuff that goes into your red bin?
Already have green bin and green bin caddy with liners. Food scraps and compostables that go in there are f-all in size compared to the stuff that goes in the red bin.
This.
Read the waste information from the council. You should be able to put a lot of your waste in the FOGO (green) bin. That will cut down volume and smell in the general waste bin.
Edit: Just saw you said you are already doing this. What are you filling your red bin up with?
Rubbish
If you haven't stand inside the bin, then it's not full. Do it carefully though.
Is some of this work related? eg running a business from home.
Our household would struggle to fill the general waste bin and we’re not super careful about it.
@mrvaluepack: I was confused for a bit but re-read and saw 80l - that’s tiny! Is that what council requires you to have?
Get a soda stream
That's is a good idea, but waste from bottled drinks isn't filling up the general waste bin.
shit-house. everything is getting worse all the time…bleeding us dry and were getting less & less in return
True, I just tried to buy a tiny violin to play for you though it was too expensive.
mate….lucky you didnt.
you wouldnt believe how much un-recyclable packaging those tiny violins come in
One night a fair few years ago I went outside to put stuff in the almost full red bin and for some reason was disgusted with the amount of weekly waste our house made. That week I decided (on behalf of the whole house - sometimes that happens) that we were going to be more conscious about what goes in the bin. We started recycling and composting more thoroughly, and now we barely half fill the little red bin each week. (I will say I am now sometimes a bit disgusted how much the paper and recycling bins fill up).
This - my red bin barely gets to the 1/3rd mark each week. All food scraps go into bokashi & a compost bin.
And same as above - I am horrified by the recycling bin. Who knows how much of it actually gets recycled?!!
Who knows how much of it actually gets recycled?
The metal - most.
The paper - some.
The plastic - almost none.
^^ 100% correct.
Small sheets of paper, (under A4) mosttly go to waste.
Larger cardboard, think beer cartons are more easily sorted at the VISY sorting facilities
Am sure your council rates would've been cut in half as well 😭
Would have made sense wouldnt it haha but it actually increased with inflation :(
Some tips from dealing with this for 15 years or so:
- Put all of your food scraps in the green bin so they go weekly.
- Freeze putrid stuff and chuck it the day the bin goes.
- Find council bins for those big fortnights like Christmas and easter.
The only other tip is to give the red bin a thorough cleaning after its emptied. This wont totally stop maggots though.
make freinds to neighbours
join the council, along with your friends, become major and chnage the rules
weekly bon fire
move to another council