Thinking about Moving from Sydney to Melbourne

moneytomyway on 21/02/2023 - 14:52
Last edited 21/02/2023 - 15:21 by 1 other user

Hi all, we are thinking to move from Sydney to Melbourne, and keen for some wisdom from you.

The main reason is simply we could get a better house with our budget in Melbourne 20km east of CBD with nice schools while we would get something 40km to the CBD in west/northwest Sydney with hardly any local development.

We make a bit more than 200k combined and both are working remotely.

Being in Sydney since 2017, I personally have only been to Melbourne for work so I wouldn't say know a great deal of Melbourne. All I know is they don't have many beaches and good weather, and people are more chilled.

Thanks for reading, any input would be greatly appreciated.

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Comments

  • Hybroid on 21/02/2023 - 14:54
    +66

    What input are you looking for beyond a Sydney vs Melbourne argument? It's a very subjective decision based on preferences, lifestyle, needs and wants and personal choices. Everyone's anecdotal experiences or views are different and may not apply to you.

    Both places have perceived pros and cons. Both places are preferred by some and not others, then vice versa.

    Are there specific queries you have on either?

  • HardQuiz on 21/02/2023 - 14:56
    +37

    What’s wrong with Brisbane, Adelaide, Hobart, Darwin and Perth ?

    • jv on 21/02/2023 - 14:59
      +60

      If you need to ask… Don't worry about it…

      • tunzafun001 on 25/02/2023 - 10:30
        +6

        This is true.
        Sounds like WAY over priced housing, grid locked traffic and smog is more your thing.

      • marcozmitch on 26/02/2023 - 12:49

        The inclusion of Darwin and Hobart is a problem for a weather point of view for Darwin and low population/small size in terms of Hobart.
        Perth is one of the most remote Capital Cities in the world.

    • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 21/02/2023 - 16:16
      +8

      Crap coffee.

      • ThithLord on 22/02/2023 - 09:44
        +9

        Brisbane has great coffee, and so does Darwin. And Hobart. What are ye talking about?

        • Sleeqb7 on 22/02/2023 - 10:56
          +9

          People from Melbourne hate coffee from outside of Melbourne, and, coincidentally, the rest of Australia finds Melbourne coffee to be mediocre.

          • GG57 on 22/02/2023 - 11:19
            +32

            @Sleeqb7: People from Melbourne like good coffee; not all coffee in Melbourne is good, but there is a good coffee culture so it isn't hard to find good coffee.
            Perhaps visitors to Melbourne don't know where to go.

            • Minimum chips on 22/02/2023 - 16:17
              +8

              @GG57: Oh it's easy to tell where to go: you just leave Melbourne.

              Ducks

            • RefusdClassification on 23/02/2023 - 09:59

              @GG57: Coffee is just a way of getting caffeine in your system. Rich middle class people insist in making it into an expensive ritual, but any non-decaffeinated coffee is equivalent.

              • Meconium on 23/02/2023 - 11:41
                +13

                @RefusdClassification: In the same way, food is just nutrients. Blend it all up and drink it as a smoothie if you like, but some of us appreciate a bit of culinary attention to detail and enjoy the act of eating, or drinking a well-made flat white.

            • DeToxin on 24/02/2023 - 23:00
              +2

              @GG57: This is the only comment people should take note of.

            • Nebargains on 25/02/2023 - 09:07
              +1

              @GG57: Absolutely agree with this, Ive done a lot of travel around Australia for work (and for leisure a lot of travel around the UK and Europe) and I think you are spot on. You can find good coffee everywhere if you look hard enough, the difference I find is that Melbourne has a far higher number of cafes that do good coffee and it doesn't require any research.

            • Krankite on 26/02/2023 - 22:02
              +1

              @GG57: People in Melbourne like bitter coffee, people in Brisbane like a smoother coffee. There is a difference between flavour preference and quality.

          • rover100 on 22/02/2023 - 15:24

            @Sleeqb7: Plenty of very good coffee places, more like you like bad coffee.

          • Papa Huggies on 23/02/2023 - 14:39
            -3

            @Sleeqb7: Yeah Melbourne specialty coffee can be good but they have a particular profile they prefer. Sydney and Brisbane specialty coffee in particular tend to go for more floral, fruity tones, and Melbournians just presume anything that doesn't taste like their coffee must be bad.

          • Ozybargdias on 24/02/2023 - 11:27
            +6

            @Sleeqb7: I'm from Melbourne and (love Melbourne coffee), and I had nothing but great coffee in Sydney when I visited last month. Same in Tassie. Australia is just blessed with generally good coffee.

          • SimAus007 on 24/02/2023 - 12:06
            +1

            @Sleeqb7: Generalisations are so silly, just like you generalising that "Melbourne coffee" is mediocre.
            I am in Melbourne and have clearly tasted good and bad coffee everywhere, my friends also love plenty of good coffee spots in other cities, and not one of them has ever said you can't get good coffee outside Melbourne.
            It's down to the cafe/staff/beans/milk, nothing to do with any city, which should go without saying.
            I have my fave places in Sydney, Brisbane, etc that I always head to when visiting.
            I was just in Cairns and had one of the best coffees I've had in a long time, and I let the staff know :)

      • ChrisLevo on 23/02/2023 - 17:19
        +6

        Ex-Melbourne coffee tragic here who now lives in Adelaide.

        I'm 10 minutes from the CBD and there are ten coffee roasters within 5 minutes drive from me, and I'm sure are lots more that I don't yet know about.

        • SimAus007 on 24/02/2023 - 12:11
          +1

          Yep, in Melbourne here and I've also had some great coffee in Adelaide, and on a side note, great wine also ;)

        • tunzafun001 on 25/02/2023 - 10:31
          +2

          Sshhhh…its horrible and boring here…"horrible and boring".

          • 811b11e8 on 25/02/2023 - 20:29

            @tunzafun001: Do you have late night trading yet in Adelaide?

            • tunzafun001 on 25/02/2023 - 21:24

              @811b11e8: Dont know. Why would you need it (shift workers?) I Was living in a regional mining town for a while and the shopping centre closed at 4am. But other than that…dont know. I hate shopping..last thing i'd want to do at night.

        • hamwhisperer on 27/02/2023 - 04:30

          You leave because of the damn prices here?

      • DingoBilly on 24/02/2023 - 12:16
        +1

        Coffee tastes the same pretty much everywhere.

        • cerealJay on 24/02/2023 - 21:24

          Still a lot of places the coffee tastes like your grandma made it. A milk drink that "has some coffee in it". Harder to make the strong creamy velvety coffee where it's all balanced, fresh, spot on.

        • compound on 25/02/2023 - 00:48

          Just came from a 6 month trip in North America. Strongly disagree.

    • Benno007 on 22/02/2023 - 19:49
      +17

      Don’t come to Brisbane. I need to buy a house.

      • whiskeyjack89 on 22/02/2023 - 22:59
        +10

        I left Brisbane, they can have my spot

      • hamwhisperer on 27/02/2023 - 04:30
        +1

        Same, but for Melbourne tbh

    • boomramada on 24/02/2023 - 09:16
      +1

      Or Canberra - got a beach, bullshit castle, 3hrs from Sydney, good cold weather at night, people are way more chilled.

      • May4th on 25/02/2023 - 13:46

        good cold weather at night, people are way more chilled.

        chilled. i see what you did there

      • 811b11e8 on 25/02/2023 - 20:30
        +1

        People are chilled because they all got cushy government jobs, highest paid salaries in the country and least hours worked.

        • boomramada on 26/02/2023 - 12:51

          Its not a exclusive club, welcome to anyone. You probably need to be lil educated 😉

          • Mr Haj on 27/02/2023 - 11:30

            @boomramada:

            You probably need to be lil privately educated.

            Labor's Shadow Education Minister failed to answer a straight forward maths question 😬
            I think privelage is certainly a limiting factor.

  • jv on 21/02/2023 - 14:59
    +22

    Sydney or Melbourne

    Melbourne

    All I know is they don't have any many beaches

    We have a whole bay of beaches.

    get a better house with our budget in Melbourne 20km east of CBD

    You can easily find a place there for 2-3 million.

    • DashCam AKA Rolts on 21/02/2023 - 15:08
      +20

      Phew! The bold returns.

      • IMadeYouReadThis on 23/02/2023 - 10:30
        +12

        JV lives in Vic which is enough for me to stay away from it…

        • whyisave on 23/02/2023 - 13:27

          is it like "JV-radiation",
          ie. you can feel it anywhere in the state?

          • IMadeYouReadThis on 24/02/2023 - 09:31

            @whyisave: it's actually even worse, you can feel it as soon as you board plane to Vic! IMO, DYOR lol

            • whyisave on 24/02/2023 - 17:37
              +1

              @IMadeYouReadThis: Geez…you got to check your daily forecasts the,
              like the JV Index
              and take adequate protection

    • johnfuller on 23/02/2023 - 11:39
      +2

      yes a whole bay of beaches but weather is almost always raining, so when can you use them?

      • jv on 23/02/2023 - 12:05
        +6

        but weather is almost always raining

        history will show you that Sydney gets more rain.

        • Techie4066 on 23/02/2023 - 12:19
          +6

          Sydney's rain is more intense

          Sydney and Melbourne both have an average of approximately 100 days of rain per year, but the average rainfall in Sydney per year is double the volume in Melbourne! So, when it rains in Sydney, it tends to be torrential!

          I much prefer torrential rain instead of weeks of dreary overcast days

          • jv on 23/02/2023 - 12:28
            +4

            @Techie4066:

            I much prefer torrential rain instead of weeks of dreary overcast days

            then

            both have an average of approximately 100 days of rain per year

            So 27% of days it rains in each city…

            enjoy your floods…

            • Techie4066 on 23/02/2023 - 12:28

              @jv: No floods in the vast majority of Sydney. Only areas the corrupt Liberals opened up to their developer mates to prop up the farce that is urban sprawl.

              • jv on 23/02/2023 - 12:29
                +1

                @Techie4066:

                No floods in the vast majority of Sydney.

                just "torrential rain"…

                • Techie4066 on 23/02/2023 - 12:30
                  +2

                  @jv: Correct. It gives quite the thrill actually and keeps our city looking green. Less inconvenience that way since we have more sunny days to enjoy.

                  • jv on 23/02/2023 - 12:32
                    -2

                    @Techie4066:

                    we have more sunny days to enjoy.

                    rainy sunny days…

                    • Techie4066 on 23/02/2023 - 12:36

                      @jv: Depends, some days with a light show to end the day, and the rare full day of heavy rain. Keeps things interesting. No rainy day is equal, and I wouldn't be surprised if Melbs has more hours of rain.

                      Rainfall is surprisingly higher than Melbourne but it is more likely to be experienced in summer during heavy seasonal thunderstorms as opposed to drizzly showers throughout the year. The consistency of the weather definitely makes it easier to make plans and know what to expect when you travel to Sydney.

                    • hayne on 25/02/2023 - 23:56
                      -1

                      @jv: @jv. Melbourne is a phenomenal city. It has tons of things going for it, including things that you can't find in any other city in Australia.

                      But if you're trying to claim it has better weather and beaches than Sydney, then you must be on crack

                  • smartazz104 on 24/02/2023 - 07:55
                    +1

                    @Techie4066: Also it helps wash away some of the Sydney smog.

          • Hangryuman on 23/02/2023 - 14:06
            +4

            @Techie4066: I grew up in Qld with torrential rain - where a typical summer's day includes cumulonimbus clouds forming in the afternoon, growing taller and darker at the top until almost black, and then 'THWACK!!!!' a bolt of lighting and the heavens open - I remember one downpour where I was riding my motorbike and was 100m from home but I had to stop in the middle of the road because visibility was about 3 metres.

            What they call torrential rain in Sydney is what I call moderate rain - although more extreme weather events of recent years have almost started to qualify.

            My memories of living in Melbourne (half the volume of rain as Sydney) was misty rain so light that I didn't bother using an umbrella, just wear a long woolen coat and basically brush off the coating of slight dampness before going inside.

            That said - Melbourne felt freezing in winter compared to Sydney. And yes they get SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) depression possibly associated with lack of Vitamin D due to many grey days with no sunshine. Sydney typically feels more sunny in winter.

            • Techie4066 on 23/02/2023 - 14:41
              +1

              @Hangryuman:

              What they call torrential rain in Sydney is what I call moderate rain - although more extreme weather events of recent years have almost started to qualify.

              Mmm I wouldn't be so sure about that. Having grown up here I'm used to seeing collosal thunder clouds towering over the city, otherwise known as southerly busters. We had one on Saturday which had 100kph winds, ripped roofs off and left both the Northern and North Shore rail lines blocked by trees. And just this Tuesday night we had torrential rain which delivered 90mm rain in a few hours.

              Last March in that crazy period of East Coast Lows we had days nearing 20cm of rain.

    • Harold Halfprice on 23/02/2023 - 22:21
      +2

      The beaches in our bay aren't great. Especially when compared to pretty much the rest of the country.

      Plenty of things to like about Melbourne. It's beaches and weather probably aren't going to be too high on most people's list.

  • Benoffie on 21/02/2023 - 15:14
    +16

    Why either of those? Both are terrible for various reasons and I'd only return if I had long-term gainful employment that was paying serious coin that couldn't be WFH in another location.

    If I had to be limited to those two (for an apparent miracle job), Melbourne would be my preference. Easier to get around, clean(er), better culture, food etc.

  • WreckTangle on 21/02/2023 - 15:24
    +21

    Have lived in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney. Prefer Sydney due to better access to nature (harbour, mountains and beaches, Green grass in the summer), pleasant wildlife (like tropical parrots without cane toads), good climate (especially in winter), better heritage (like The Rocks) and “better” recognition of Aboriginal culture (E.g. Barangaroo or the murals in Refern). Sydney has better public transport and infrastructure (e.g. ferries, the driverless Metro trains, the upcoming western Sydney Airport). Sydney also feels more connected to the rest of the world. House prices are fairly similar to Melbourne now days too. Sydney wins hands down.

    • Ghost47 on 21/02/2023 - 15:56
      +13

      Agree Sydney is way better. Much better weather, better beaches, much better public transport, food is actually better than Melbourne.

      • kerfuffle on 21/02/2023 - 16:16
        +5

        You've changed your tune :P

    • try2bhelpful on 21/02/2023 - 17:03
      +18

      My suggestion is you didn’t get around to too many places when you lived in Melbourne. I think Sydney is beautiful but it is difficult to get around or find anything. I wouldn’t be picking on Melbourne’s weather given what Sydney has dished up the last 12 months.

      Frankly I found the best way to see Sydney is to sit on the ferries and look back towards the town.

      • alikazi on 22/02/2023 - 17:20
        +1

        I wouldn’t be picking on Melbourne’s weather given what Sydney has dished up the last 12 months.

        Yes, by all means, last 12 months of weather is indicative of decades of weather.

        it is difficult to get around or find anything

        How? Sydney has tons of options in food, shopping and transport is good. How are you having this issue?

        • try2bhelpful on 23/02/2023 - 00:18
          +12

          The humidity in Sydney has been around for decades. Cold weather can be combated with the right clothing, hence Melbourne’s love of the puffer jacket. It is hard to dress to avoid humidity.

          Actually getting around Sydney is a lot harder than getting around Melbourne. The bay makes it difficult to get between suburbs and it limits the expansion possibilities around Sydney. The times I’ve visited Sydney I’ve found it difficult to find good food options compared to
          Melbourne. It tends to be more expensive and the options for good, cheap, food is harder to find.

          • alikazi on 23/02/2023 - 18:04
            -4

            @try2bhelpful: Sydney's humidity compared to Melbourne's:
            https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Australia/Cities/humi…

            What are you talking about when you say Sydney's humidity is higher? Facts say you're wrong. You can look up more data on this if you're not satisfied with the link I've shared.

            Actually getting around Sydney is a lot harder than getting around Melbourne

            Please dont say this to anyone in person if you want to look decently intelligent. I went to Melbourne few months ago and here's what happened. I tried catching a tram to my destination, looked it up on Google maps for directions and when I went to the tram stop it never arrived. I realised quickly after that that Google Maps data doesnt even match the tram routes.

            So I asked people standing there how to get to my destination. They suggested I catch the tram on the other side of the road. I waited there and just to be sure I asked a guy waiting there if it goes to my destination. He said it doesnt, you have to catch the one perpendicular to this one. So the people earlier were just lying or dont even know their own city?? So I went to catch the perpendicular one. It didnt stop at my destination it stopped 5 mins walk before and Google Maps was still not matching what the tram was doing.

            Later I wanted to get to my bnb and suddenly the trains were cancelled and replaced by buses (which Melbourne lovingly calls Coach). The bus stop was not even marked anywhere. I asked a bunch of people and they gave me conflicting information. Finally I found it after 15 minutes of searching and when I got there there were around 20 people being sent around to different buses and the bus drivers were refusing to take the passengers. Then there was some argument between the driver and the station employee. I heard all this crap, repeatedly asked the driver whether he goes to a certain stop to which he kept replying like a robot "This bus is slower than the other one". I kept asking him the question like he was a broken digital assistant and finally he said yes so I just got in the "coach". It finally departed after 40 minutes and it took another 1.5 hours to reach the stop, then I had to uber to my bnb. Throughout the journey the people were saying "we should have just ubered home" etc.

            In Sydney, this has never happened once despite there being emergencies or track works.

            So I hope you can feel my passionate hate when I say Melbourne sucks!

            As for finding food in Sydney, I dont know if you've heard of Google Maps. Thousands of restaurants in Sydney are top rated. There are affordable places and expensive places. You are on OzBargain, so I assume you must have at least heard of Groupon in passing, where you can get cheaper deals to try out restaurants?

            I tried to go to multiple Mexican places in Melbourne and they all required booking. This, again, is rarity in Sydney. Some restaurants require booking but you definitely dont have to hop between 10 restaurants to find a seat. Finally I ate at a restaurant the next day and the bill was as much as Sydney.

            • gimme on 23/02/2023 - 19:47
              +7

              @alikazi: Lol summary your entire opinion is based on a short trip to Melb. I guess that sort of bias is pretty common. It happened to me once so it happens to everyone

              • SimAus007 on 24/02/2023 - 14:38
                +1

                @gimme: And blaming the transport maps being wrong when using a 3rd party service, Google.Maps.
                The 2 official ones are PTV and Tram Tracker, which both show live movement of trains, trams and buses.
                Perhaps the blame should have been forwarded to Google Maps for their poor integration.
                Many cities aren't great on Google Maps for public transport.
                In saying that, I like Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane equally as much but for completely different reasons.

            • smartazz104 on 24/02/2023 - 07:57
              +2

              @alikazi: Sydney has, what, one tram? /s

            • GG57 on 24/02/2023 - 08:55
              +1

              @alikazi: You had a bad trip. I recommend not trying it again.
              We will all be happier.

            • Mozzmanau on 24/02/2023 - 09:57
              -7

              @alikazi: Melbourne public transport is a joke. Everytime I catch a train, there's a delay or a cancellation. The people talking over the speaker at Flinders Street station cant even speak English, so you have no clue what's going on. They're more concerned with diversity than actually employing people who can do the job. Victoria is becoming a joke.

            • SimAus007 on 24/02/2023 - 13:20
              +3

              @alikazi: Huh? The humidity is higher in Sydney, as it should be because it's closer to the equator, on the coast and has twice the precipitation of Melbourne, particularly in January and February when that rain becomes humidity with the warmer days, it's impossible for Sydney not to be more humid, based on its location (to the ocean and closer north - to the equator)
              Take a look at the average all the way along the east coast from north to south and you'll see the clear pattern in humidity.
              Of course, humidity levels change through the year (for all locations).
              Perhaps you should have looked closer at your own link (not that it is a great source).
              Here is a good graphic of it, between Melbourne and Sydney, depending on the time of the year: https://weatherspark.com/compare/y/144544~144227/Comparison-…

              At least you get plenty of rain all year in Sydney to keep everything looking green, that's not a bad thing :)
              Melbourne has big fluctuations throughout the year, so months of very little rain, to months of higher rainfall.

              This is quite good also:
              Sydney: https://weatherspark.com/y/144544/Average-Weather-in-Sydney-…
              Melbourne: https://weatherspark.com/y/144227/Average-Weather-in-Melbour…

              • try2bhelpful on 24/02/2023 - 13:52
                +1

                @SimAus007: I agree there is no way that Melbourne is more humid than Sydney. We tend to have a drier heat rather than a humid one. A bit of Googling shows that most sites show Sydney is more humid than Melbourne.

                In fact one site says.
                “New South Wales and Queensland on the western coast to the Pacific Ocean lie in a subtropical climate zone. This means a high humidity almost all year round with higher temperatures and pronounced rainy seasons. The vegetation in these areas is equally attractive.“

            • alikazi on 24/02/2023 - 15:08
              -2

              @alikazi: Lol @ everyone justifying Melbourne's lack of pragmatic execution in transport. Telling me to use other apps and just sweeping under the rug that a major app like Google Maps that the entire world relies on doesnt work in Melbourne. Not to mention my horrid experience with the "coach" service. 20 mins train travel converted to horrifying and confusing 2.5 hours of travel. Anyone practical would at least acknowledge these issues. But of course not, just default to the usual internet responses like "wE doNt liKE yOu aNYwaY."

              • SimAus007 on 24/02/2023 - 15:39
                +4

                @alikazi: I never said it doesn't work here! Good god, is your day going so horrific that you have to make up rubbish?
                I've never once used Google Maps for public transport maps in Australia, and I use a Google Pixel, I do use it for driving however.
                Whether it's used a lot or not is irrelevant, I have friends that use Google Maps in Melbourne, plenty of people do, and they say it works perfectly, but now that I live here (ex Sydney North Shore), the local official apps from Public Transport Victoria (PTV) and Tram Tracker, provide live updates and push notifications that Google simply doesn't, so they are far more useful, additionally, if there is something wrong with those apps, sure, it's fair to have a go at the transport operators.
                Did you complain to Google about their app not providing the right info? You certainly can't complain to any official transport authority about that, as they don't run Google Maps (that was my point if it wasn't abundantly clear).

                There are plenty of things I love about Sydney and I get back often, many friends and family live there and I can't wait to get back.
                In fact, of all the Sydney and Melbourne folks I am close with in both these cities, not one of them gets on the Sydney/Melbourne bias-rivalry bandwagon, it's just so childish and has been done to death.
                Ultimately there are pros and cons to every city, generally, most people that were brought up in a city will be biased, because it's the city they have the biggest/closest connection to.
                I like to think outside the square, that's why I enjoy so many things about all Australian cities, there is far more to like than dislike.
                On a side note, the negative expression that a place "sucks" is the epitome of sounding like an imbecile - making one lose all credibility.

                  • SimAus007 on 24/02/2023 - 17:28
                    +3

                    @alikazi: Oh dear, you are appearing to be such a bigot and on the rivalry BS bandwagon from 20.- 30 years ago.

                    Grow up with your generalising all as the same. How does one not see how silly this makes them look? (Please, don't answer that, for the love of God).

                    If I followed your tact, I'd say all Sydney people are like you, with a chip on their shoulders, but thankfully, they are NOT.

                    "Google.fix their shit" oh, you're all class, and again, thankfully my Sydney friends aren't like you, neither are many Sydney locals, they are beautiful, intelligent, open minded, forward thinking people.

                    It is evident you STILL don't understand my point about the Google.Maps app, nothing about Melbourne OR Sydney.
                    Nothing more to say.

                    • alikazi on 24/02/2023 - 19:16
                      -4

                      @SimAus007: I mean in the end your defending Melbourne makes 0 sense because its just a very straight fact that Melbourne transport sucks! I've heard this from multiple tourists. I was surprised how bad it was. The problem is none of you defending Melbourne transport can even acknowledge this fact, which is obviously playing favourites. There is no band wagon otherwise. Just admit that you have a problem. But the reponses are hilariously skewed into telling me that my opinion is invalid. Thats just funny.

                  • kouk on 24/02/2023 - 18:01
                    +4

                    @alikazi: The guy told you the solution two times already, use the proper app! The only one losing credibility here is you with your falsely jaded opinion

                    • alikazi on 24/02/2023 - 19:10
                      -6

                      @kouk: Bro…. you're really going to expect anyone who visits Melbourne to literally go through this painful process of finding out that there is this specific app you need to use to figure out a basic thing like public transport? You dont see what a horrible suggestion that is? Am I supposed to read the new app's name and go "Ohhhhh ok, nevermind my horrible experience means nothing anymore of course I was using Google Maps like seriously who makes such a silly mistake these days hahaha. Thank you so much yeah nah I should have read everyone's mind which app they use hahaha"

                      • alikazi on 24/02/2023 - 19:17
                        -1

                        @alikazi: Updates are turned off. Good luck lol.

                        • kouk on 24/02/2023 - 21:10
                          +2

                          @alikazi: hahaha, the updates off button. The online version of taking your ball and going home. I think the only one who needs luck here is YOU, my friend, especially in your travels…

                      • Eeples on 25/02/2023 - 08:33
                        +2

                        @alikazi: As a tourist.
                        Yes, if you intend to use public transport you should use an app covering the city you are in. This is pretty obvious.

                        It is also useful copying the metro or tram diagram as a picture on your phone.

                        Using google maps to walk around worked for me in Melbourne.

                        • hayne on 26/02/2023 - 00:02
                          +1

                          @Eeples: Again - let me share my view that both Sydney and Melbourne are phenomenal cities, each with their own pros and cons.

                          But are you really complaining about humidity in Sydney? I think you need to harden up. Spend a bit of in Southeast Asia. Singapore. Or Hong Kong, where there are days with 97%+ humidity. Even Darwin.

                          Having spent substantial time in Sydney, Melbourne and overseas, the humidity in Sydney is really nothing to complain about.

                          • Eeples on 26/02/2023 - 06:28

                            @hayne: Who me?

                            I’m not complaining about humidity.

    • Hardlyworkin on 21/02/2023 - 17:58
      +43

      Sydney is great for the lucky few that live in a nice suburb an easy commute to the attractions. Most however live somewhere out west. If like OP you are 40km away in the west then I'd rather live anywhere else considering the high costs.
      In short, Sydney is great if you're cashed up.

    • 900dollaridoos on 22/02/2023 - 14:41

      Thoughts on Brisbane?
      I've lived in Melbourne 4 years ago and enjoyed the weekend daytime life but hated the weather and the average person's attitude.
      Lived rural qld ever since and seriously considering a Bris move soon to semi-settle down finally.

      • bteq on 22/02/2023 - 23:22
        +2

        I grew up in Brisbane, and have lived in Melbourne for 18 years. Brisbane has come a LONG way since I lived there. There's a lot there. It's just kind of small and patchy relative to Sydney and Melbourne. Lots of good food and nightlife now, and Brisbane's kind of done its own thing so I find is a little more fun in its style than the more serious Melbourne. But it's all a lot closer to the city. Though the suburban options have improved a great deal too, and if you're into shopping centres they're all mammoth now. It all depends what you want and where you want to live relative to the city. And the public transport certainly isn't as good (a lot of investment in busways since I was there but the trains are far more sparse, and there's still a lot of traffic that I assume the buses have to contend with, but I don't catch buses).

    • CowFrogHorse on 22/02/2023 - 21:09
      -3

      Access to nature in Sydney ?

      How often to get your access to nature ? every day of course not because you wasted your life commuting…

      Better transport doesnt improve lives, it ruins them, because weak people think the answer is to waste their lives on better transport.

      You have selected the worst possible options, namely big cities, they are always a tthe bottom for a better life.

      Sydney connected to the rest of the world ? Who or why would anyone want to fly ever week to anywhere around the world ? THis is a bogus reason.

      • gakko on 23/02/2023 - 08:32
        +6

        If you want people to take your argument seriously try not to have so much of a chip on your shoulder when making it.

        • CowFrogHorse on 23/02/2023 - 08:34
          -2

          Any excuse to refuse the basic truths im sharing ?

          • gakko on 23/02/2023 - 08:48
            +4

            @CowFrogHorse: Assuming that calling out your attitude means that I disagree with you is you projecting your personality onto me. I'm not commenting on your 'basic truths' either way because idgaf which city people like more.

          • Assburg on 23/02/2023 - 08:50
            +2

            @CowFrogHorse: Better transport doesnt improve lives, it ruins them, because weak people think the answer is to waste their lives on better transport.

            Can you elaborate on this?

    • bteq on 22/02/2023 - 23:17
      +7

      How can anyone say the public transport in Sydney is better? It's horrific! Trams! Sydney's full of buses and the train network isn't that different. Not to mention the traffic for the buses to get through.

      • Papa Huggies on 23/02/2023 - 14:44
        +1

        It's HIGHLY variable. Live/ work on the existing/ porposed Metro lines? Well done. You're going to have the best goddamn commute. Dundas Valley? Shit man there's 2 buses. You better be cool with biking to Eastwood Station…

    • Hangryuman on 23/02/2023 - 14:22
      +1

      'Have lived in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney. Prefer Sydney'

      similarly +Canberra and agreed - one observation is simply by population size (oops - is Melbourne predicted to exceed Sydney - 'Melbourne is predicted to overtake Sydney by 2031-32, when the Victorian capital is forecast to reach a population of six million, pipping its northern rival by a couple of hundred thousand people, new data from the Centre for Population reveals.' - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/05/three…

      OK so it's arguable - both places are nice but I lived in (and loved) Melbourne for 5 years, and I've now lived in (and meh) Sydney for 30 years so my money seems to be in Sydney.

      The only thing I don't like about Sydney is the cold breeze in winter (which is nice in summer - so it swings both ways ;-)

    • Pootie Tang on 24/02/2023 - 22:09

      Melbourne is for people that can't afford Sydney. I live in neither

    • No ONE on 27/02/2023 - 13:49

      This cooment and replies became an essay.

  • Austin 316 on 21/02/2023 - 15:38
    +28

    Why!!! Just spend 1 winter in Melbourne before you decide to make the move. Melbourne winter is cold, depressing and windy. Melbourne would also be the allergy capital of the world.

    • zeoko on 22/02/2023 - 12:27
      +11

      You should try Ballarat to know what cold is!

    • Youi2018 on 22/02/2023 - 21:51
      +7

      Agreed ! The weather in melbourne is horrible . Our winter goes for 9 months . And it’s absolutely freezing most of the year . We are so lucky we even get “ Antarctic winds”

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