Cheaper than renting. $51 a night including all meals.
7-Night Carnival Luminosa South Pacific Cruise: $361 Per Person Twin Share Interior Cabin, Depart Brisbane 5 March @ Ozcruising
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As the voice of the six million plus that have died, we don't agree. The evidence is now that the more you catch your "mild cold" the greater the chance of long covid.
@mgexiled: The risk of Myocarditis from an MRNA vaccine is 0.004662337662%. The results are based off a study across Scandinavian people who were vaccinated. Of roughly 23 million people, 1,077 were linked to Myocarditis from the vaccination. More people die from Paracetamol poisoning.
@Tardvark: Your science and facts are fake news. Please explain why there are no records of my hospital visits and no records of my blood tests when my caridiologist called up and why even though I was called back due to high troponin level, no doctor ever saw me so I was never discharged by a doctor?
@sunnyc: "Please explain why there are no records of my hospital visits and no records of my blood tests … no doctor ever saw me so I was never discharged by a doctor?"
You don't exist anymore. You are a ghost stuck in purgatory.
We're still in the covid clownery? Aren't the vaccines working? 2 were supposed to be enough, then 3, then 4, now 5, winter 6….
I only talk to people who are MAXX BOOSTED. Don't reply to me unless you've had 6 booster shots.
@mgexiled: does the flu shot count and I also got the monkeypox shot …. btw what happened to the monkeypox global emergency?
@Senatekill: Turns out you were probably vaxed against it…
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/monkeypox
Vaccines used during the smallpox eradication programme also provided protection against monkeypox.
Wow thought you would’ve been downvoted to hell for this. Is ozbargain finally waking up?
do you have to be vaccinated for this cruise ship?
I believe a number of operators had this vaccine requirement, which meant that as they were vaccinated the majority on board had covid on disembarkation.
You need to be vaccinated and possibly show a negative RAT on the day of the cruise (Carnival just want you to tell them you did one and it was negative). Ships are a bit of a petri dish so probably sensible to have a vaccinated pre requirement especially as a decent percentage of cruisers are of the older generation. On board they will also have a quarantine area so if you do test positive whilst on board, you can be moved away from your family to stop them from catching it etc.
Having been on a cruise in Dec 22, I can confirm it's no big deal. Not many people wear masks and equally don't bat an eyelid if you choose to wear oneThey didn't have co-vid because they were vaccinated, they had co-vid because it's contagious and they caught it. The fact that they disembarked rather than a medical evacuation (pre or post mortem) would suggest the vaccination is a good idea.
Wow big words, such intelligence
The number of downvotes on this shows just how much unthinking hivemind still exists out there. Instead of silent downvotes, anyone care to explain why the comment is wrong?
The downvote is the perfect explanation…
Antivaxxers are cringe, and cruise ships are riddled with sickness and old people
few bot accounts here and there, keyword search automatic downvotes, upvotes, likes etc..
So the government has bots upvoting and downvoting posts on Ozbargain now?
Just when you thought the rabbit hole couldn't go any deeper…..
@AuQld: LMFAO, there's no way someone actually thinks the government deploys instances of artificial intelligence-powered bots to manipulate poll results on OzBargain…!
— Answer generated by ChatGPT (OpenAI) on 12/02/2023 / Message authorised by the Australian government.
@AuQld: This has to be the most unhinged incoherent reply ever. If you can't be bothered to Engrish, at least be bothered to use ChatGPT to write your reply for you.
Nah, it's best not engage with morons
Care to explain why a cruiseship, with limited medical facilities, often remote from a hospital, with a duty of care to it's passengers should have it's freedom to choose limited without being called draconian? Perhaps it simply has more passengers desiring a vaccinated environment than not. It's all about freedom of choice yeah?
Why the downvotes I swear speaking in public everyone agrees, internet is a wash with manipulation.
Or perhaps it illustrates the difference between what a wider society view point may be, compared to whatever small slice of the population you speak publicly with.
Most would be more likely to socialise "in real life" with people they get along with, have similar view points, lifestyles and locations.
These would all differ greatly when you then include everyone else into the conversation.
@SBOB: So you believe that the internet is the reality of society.
The internet manipulates everything through filters and an unregulated proven to be manipulated voting system with woke ideology, shadow banning, deplatforming and censorship, if that's the social circles you keep I'm not surprised.
But anyway that's the problem, people are too easily manipulated online and also in real life.
Sigh.. anti-vaxxers. I'm still amazed in the past 3 years being stuck at home, instead of gaining some knowledge and better our society, their biggest achievements were "not taking the shot" and "owning the libs".
Vax + triple boost for me
He's helping himself - no need for God to assist him. If you believe in God then be thankful that God created intelligent rational humans who can develop lifesaving vaccines to help humanity avoid sickness and death. Getting vaccines adds a few years to your life - avoiding them reduces that benefit. If you want to live longer the statistics around vaccines are pretty clear. Trying to shame someone for looking at all the data we have and saying their foolish for using it to make what is the clearest rational choice just sounds petty and very much the antithesis of what someone of faith would do to a fellow human being.
Getting vaccines adds a few years to your life - avoiding them reduces that benefit
Based on what science. There is not enough data or evidence to prove that for the covid vaccine as its not a traditional vaccine, its a gene therapy vaccine which follows the same principles of gene therapies currently available (inject X genetic material, produce Y substance using body cells) and probably first time ever a therapy uses nano particles which is the nano lipids that encase the genetic material used. I guess we will know in 20 years when enough data is collected and correlated with deaths over past 20 years. Even the DOH changed the definition from "Death from covid" to "Death with covid" which proves my point.
And maybe ask yourself why they havent introduced any more experimental mRNA vaccines for the common traditional vaccines we already have if covid vaccine presumably was a great success
@easternculture: Whilst I agree with your
Based on what science
You're lumping all covid vaccines in with the new mRNA vaccines. Plenty of traditional covid vaccines are available but they weren't as effective in trials as the mRNA ones. Astrazeneca was based on the traditional annual flu vaccine.
But as to the mRNA ines, they're new, very new. I totally understand why people are hesitant about them as they were essentially rushed through the traditional approval process. I understand why, the predictions right or wrong were close to a billion dead from covid. It was a guess/prediction, which of course made professional medical people, governments, etc freak out. The medical research/pharmaceutical industry saw an opportunity to get funding and a change to speed up the testing & approval process, so pushed hard.
Usually it take 10+yrs to get a vaccine approved (and I believe the failure rate is in the 90% rate). So traditional anti-vaxers aren't really half as smart as they think they are. But i totally understand why people were hesitant with the mRNA vaccines, as they're weren't as rigorously tested as traditional vaccines were. I also understand why Govt's pushed them hard as they were afraid of mass deaths (no conspiracy).
They were, my sister is a nurse and she was moved to Carrara Stadium on the gold coast to join a large team of nurses from public, private and the military preparing for 5000-10,000 death per week from.covid. Don't doubt the Govts around the world were pooing themselves. With hindsight that was silly, but they went on advice the available.
The conspiracy theories are really silly. I agree people shouldn't be forced to have the current batch since they only help minimise sickness rather then prevent the disease or prevent you from passing it on. But when they become like small pox, polio, whopping cough, etc vaccines, absolutely they should be mandated. They save lives, no ifs, no buts, no question.
@M00Cow: Wow,NGL, people are really brainwashed these days.
They believe everything google filters for them
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Wow,NGL, people are really brainwashed these days.
Well not sure brainwashed, but yep people believe some crazy things, which even 5 minutes of thinking would make you realise they've been lead.up the garden path.. I used to work with someone of moderate intelligence (not dumb, but not overly intellectual) trying to convince us that the earth was actually flat.
They believe everything google filters for them
As opposed to the Telegram filters. People naturally like to surround themselves with those of common beliefs. They also like to feel superior knowing facts and secrets that others don't, so they can look down upon them & feel superior.
A smart person knows they don't know everything, they question, but are open to the fact that they might actually have it wrong. Question, but verify.
I used to think that mandatory covid vax was right, but when I learnt that the research showed they don't prevent, or stop the spread, jist lessen the likelihood of ending up in hospital, I changed my opinion.
@M00Cow: With respect the earth is not intuitively round. You go outside and walk around, drive around…. It’s not obvious at all that the earth is round as that is not the lived experience. This is evidenced by many cultures and the people in them believing over many years you could fall off the edge.
@M00Cow: To be clear they were rigorously tested. They were just tested in a different cycle. All the vaccines that became available were given the same amount of testing as any other vaccine that's ever been approved for the market - the only difference is that usually it's an A - Z process where you go one step at a time through a series of tests and what happened with these vaccines is that they did all those steps at the same time. The result is the same just the process is different.
Technically speaking the Covid vaccine is now the most rigorously tested vaccine that humankind has ever created. We have never had this much data about a vaccine as what we have now and we have not had a natural experiment of this level to be able to test vaccines for efficacy, side effects, etc as what we have in these last 2 years. The Phase IV studies we now have on Covid vaccines are unlike anything we've ever had before.
And to be clear none of those fears about the deaths from Covid were silly. The data showed that there was a very good chance of the disease causing that level of death. It's still one of the main causes of deaths in human beings and your chance of dying from Covid over your lifetime is probably still reasonably high because eventually, if you live long enough, you become at a higher risk of dying from it (I believe that Australian researchers in Western Sydney calculated that your risk of dying of Covid triples every decade). And when you have various models of how a virulent airborne disease is going to effect society, you certainly want the government to be prepared for a near worst case scenario to the best of their ability. You absolutely want a government to take a conservative view on risk management. We all saw how the USA got caught with its pants down at the start of the pandemic and how that led to tens if not hundreds of thousands of deaths that could have probably been avoided. I don't think it was silly even with hindsight.
You're right about everything else and say it far more eloquently than I can.
@rightguy: Safe for pregnant women although not yet tested lol.
Give it a go, should be ok.
Still only approved for emergency use, hence why the world is still under a state of emergency. .
@easternculture: Sigh. You've not picked the right person to have this conversation with as I grew up in a household with one of the top biochemists in the world and I'm very well read on these issues.
Firstly, if you just happen to be scared of new technology and don't want an mRNA version there are plenty of viral vector vaccines available for Covid which is a technology that's been in use since 1984. I'm assuming you're using plenty of technologies and medications around your body that are newer than that (smart phones, haptic feedback, GMO food products, Viagra, radiosurgery, Zofran, etc)
Secondly, mRNA vaccines are not gene therapies. Your DNA and your mRNA are completely two different things. mRNA cannot effect your DNA and therefore cannot create a therapeutic effect on your genes. For something to be gene therapy it has to have the ability to enter into your cell nucleus or interact with your DNA - neither of which a lipid nanoparticle with an mRNA has the ability to do.
Thirdly, solid lipid nanoparticles have been in study and in use for nearly 4 decades now. The amount of studies about the science and data, even long term data, is staggering and easily should convince any rational person that your fears are inconsistent with what's known and understood about the technology. And no this isn't the first time a therapy has used solid lipid nanoparticles - from my understanding patistiran was the first commercially available therapeutic drug that used solid lipid nanoparticles. But nano structured drug delivery systems have been utilized since the mid-1980s and this belief that a lipid nano structured drug delivery system will be treated by your body any different than a water based nano structured system is silly. Your body absorbs both. We have over 100 years of data on how human bodies process lipids - trying to make a claim that a certain structure of lipid will processed differently is ridiculous. A lipid nanoparticle isn't magic, it doesn't have any magical abilities to somehow be processed any differently than any other lipid. You do realize that as your body breaks down lipids it itself creates nanoparticles of lipids - that's how the human body breaks down lipids every single day of the week.
Anyways I'm likely wasting my time and my breath but your ignorance is frightening. I'm not sure where you get your information but consider a new source because you are talking like someone who believes the world is flat or that a TV has a little person in it. It's childish and silly. There is good science and good data out there that easily debunks all your fears and concerns.
@sunnyc: People who obey driving rules and wear seatbelts still die in car crashes. A vaccine lowers ones risk but doesn't negate it. Just like how some people who eat well and exercise regularly will still die from a heart attack in their 40s - that doesn't mean that eating well and exercising regularly is not intelligent - it just means that those people were unlucky.
@rightguy: What about the nurses and doctors who refuse to get vaccinated? or academics or any other working professional who refuse to get the vaccine? Are they not intelligent or rational? Or what about the government and governing bodies that hastily dismissed long-standing good professional employees who refuse to get the vaccine?
Also, those who chose to get Sinopharm vaccines rather than western produce vaccines?
@sunnyc: I never said those who don't get vaccinated are not intelligent - my argument is that they are irrational. You can be intelligent and irrational. I think Isaac Asimov is one of the most brilliant minds of the 20th Century - a profoundly intelligent man, and yet he was also deathly afraid of flying on planes. Even though he was smart enough to understands that his fear was wholly irrational he was still governed by it. Intelligent and learned people can be highly irrational. Bobby Fischer was one of the greatest minds of Chess and wholly irrational. Just as intelligence doesn't mean you're going to be an ethical person (Nazi leaders were learned and intelligent) it also doesn't mean you're going to be a rational person.
As for nurses and doctors, they can be either bad at their jobs or irrational or both at the same time. You've never had the displeasure of a nurse or a doctor? Medical mishap is one of the leading causes of death and kills around 250,000 Americans a year. I've had friends and family who have suffered grave injuries by incompetent doctors and nurses. The other issue with doctors that a lot of people don't understand is that typically a newly graduated doctor is going to be of a higher quality than a doctor who has been practicing for decades. The same with nurses. Why? Because medicine improves rapidly. Techniques and procedures advance and old techniques and procedures become antiquated over decades. Diagnostics improve in a way that often older practitioners find difficult to adapt to as they can find it challenging to keep up with research and advancements. This typically effects specialists less than general practitioners but is still an issue at large. There is a reason why you are often told to get a second opinion and sometimes why you need to get a third one. Also, trying to say that someone is a doctor or a nurse so they must be an authority on a subject is a fallacy. I don't buy someone's argument because they have a PhD or a nursing degree - I buy someone's argument because it is backed up by solid data and evidence. When I hear an argument from conjecture that has little evidence behind it, which essentially accounts for nearly every anti-vaccine argument around, I can dismiss it no matter who is saying it on the basis of the evidence. Look, if Albert Einstein, probably the smartest physicist, stood up and told me the world was flat I wouldn't be moved by his being Einstein to believe him because the evidence showing that the world is round is based on the solidest of data. Gordon Ramsay is a brilliant chef but if I go out to dinner with him and get served lobster and he tries to convince me that what I've actually been served is moose I'm probably not going to believe him despite his culinary expertise - I'm going to believe what my eyes and taste buds tell me - and maybe I'll even take a sample and test what I was served at a laboratory to ensure it was lobster. That sort of evidence and argument is far more convincing than just what someone who is a so-called expert tells me. And the beautiful thing is that we live in 2023 and we have access to scientific data and scholarship in ways we have never had before - there is no excuse for anyone to trust an expert over the data. Read the papers and analyze the data yourself.
As for academics and working professionals - they too can be irrational. Please see the above where I discuss how someone like Isaac Asimov can be irrational.
If getting a vaccine is a requirement for a position then people have a choice to change vocations or get a vaccine. It's that simple. We, as a society, have already come to terms with the concept that public good is more important than an individual's personal rights. That's something that the vast majority of us within a democracy have come to agree with (hence it's become part of our overall public policy) and it's something that's been enshrined in case law in our society over numerous challenges. So this belief that you seemingly have that someone's personal rights somehow overshadow public good just doesn't exist in Australian society and the decision in Kassam v Hazzard solidified that reasoning. It's very clear that employers also have rights and that employees also have responsibilities to their employers - the laws on that are rock solid and clear. So if you're arguing for a dissolution of the current Australian democracy and a movement to some form of anarchistic or libertarian form of society that's fine but if you're trying to argue that it is illegal or improper under the laws of Australia with the government mandating vaccination over workers in some sector that it regulates then you're arguing in bad faith to begin with as the laws are clear and the rights of the government to do that are spelled out consistently in policies that have been formed by democratically elected governments and have been confirmed by the highest of courts in the land. If people want to work in Australia they have a requirement to accept the laws of Australia. Just as every citizen and worker has a requirement to pay their taxes or face fines or jail, every citizen and worker has the requirement to accept the rules and regulations which govern their industry. They might not like those rules, just as you might not like having to pay taxes, but they are the accepted rules that have been created by a democratic society for the benefit of society as a whole. If one does not like those rules then they should either doing one of two things: moving to a nation which has different rules or petitioning for a change in those rules. Until that change happens one should just accept those rules and understand that their decision to not follow those rules is likely to have some consequence.
As for sinopharm - I don't really even know what you're asking? Are you asking whether I think people who choose to get sinopharm are irrational? No, I do not. If you're in a country where sinopharm is available I have no issue with you getting it. I admit I don't know a lot of the data on sinopharm because it wasn't available in Australia so I didn't pay it a lot of attention, but from what I have read it appears to be less effective than any of the vaccines that were available in Australia. But, again, a less effective vaccine is probably still better than no vaccine at all (though that can depend on a few factors such as side-effects, etc). And I don't take issue with a vaccine purely on the basis of it being made in an English speaking country or for an English speaking market - that to me is irrational.
@rightguy: I applaud your willingness to engage and educate. Mad respect. I gave up 2 years ago. These people live in their little echo chambers and no rational argument or respected evidence will dent their commitment to their narrative. It's absolutely not worth your energy to even try. Just when you think you've backed them into a logical corner and they have to consider the possibility they're wrong, they just disengage or desperately change the subject. Just smile and wave and carry on with your day.
@AzzaClazza: I hear you mate and, to be honest, I typically don't engage either because you're right it's like banging your head into a brick wall. Thanks for the advice and well wishes. Wishing you all the best.
@rightguy: Just wanted to say you have done a fantastic job of clearly explaining things. A good mix of logical structure, specific examples, relevant analogies and how it fits in broader context.
I hope your vocation is employing these skills.
God isn't real.
I have 8 rocks that keep tigers away. So far no tigers. These rocks might attract downvotes though.
Moron
Is Carnival Luminosa good?
I was on it in December. Staff and food are good, but it was my first cruise, so I can't compare. But there's not much to do on the cruise for the kids. Pool is tiny. have a look on some You Tube videos to get an idea on what's on the ship. I got a bargain at the time, so was quite happy.
Great! Great at destroying the environment !
Wife and I got a cheap 3 night at sea trip from Brisbane a fortnight ago.
We were happy to be home at the end of it. Food was dismal, all deep fried or reheated pork/ beef, very little fresh fruit (only rockmelon that was white), veggies and salad bars only available randomly. The restaurant you had to book in for had worse than hospital food and was the same stuff served at the buffets minus cardboard/ saw dust sirloins.
Ship was very cramped and had next to no sitting or relaxation areas, only spacious area was the adults only section. 14 day beds with shelters that were covered in towels at 5am and not enough exposed sunbeds to relax on as none were available from 7am onwards.
I was astounded when friends said they prefered Luminosa over some P&O boats, having previously been on P&O and Royal I would definitely avoid this ship.
Sea only trips would suck. At least these goes to islands
Getting off the boat would definitely be the highlight with the Luminosa. Having done similar at sea with P&O and Royal, we enjoyed them alot more. Even the Pacific islands, it was nice to get back on the boat- we both said we couldn't do 7 days on this boat. That's just my opinion, first timer cruisers might enjoy this as a first cruise experience and is a good price to try it out.
3 day booze cruises attract a certain type of clientele. Avoid.
Carnival aren't booze cruises, perfect for families, however I've heard Luminosa is the poor sister of the Splendor (which I'll be boarding in 3 weeks after waiting 3 years) which is the poor sister of the Spirit which no longer comes to Oz😭. I have cautious hopes of it living up to our previous 2 on the Spirit 🤞🏻
Upvote for the description… well in
I have to agree with the above comments, we didn't have a great cruise on the Luminosa, it was a destination cruise to the Great Barrier Reef, when we boarded the boat it had already run out of day trips to the GBR from Port Douglas, we where on the boat in the queue in the first hour of boarding the boat and they had booked out through the app which we didn't know they did. The staff said they were sold out because it was the school holidays and we were put on a 4 page wait list. A cyclone prevented us from getting into Port Douglas to do an alternatively privately arranged reef trip. The boat left port and then informed everyone that the Port Douglas stop had been cancelled so almost impossible to make alternative arrangements. The room stewards were great, the restaurant ok, but not great. The rooms were an older style but keep very clean. My son was trapped in a faulty lift and there was a constant loud banging sound through the front of the ship. (not waves, mechanical and loud) We had a lot more issues but I will not bore you with them.
Having done a number of cruises I would not be revisiting this ship again. It is worth the little bit more money to go with Princess the best trip we have had has been with Celebrity X.
Also trying to get customer support in my experience once I had booked the cruise was at least an hour wait and they didn't solve my problem, they gave me an email address which bounced back.
Anyone wanna share a cabin? I mind my own business and I am not a (registered) sex offender.
Sorry I only travel with sex offenders that are fully registered.
….Yet
What's the charges for kids?
Generally speaking, kids are the same price as adults. Basically like a plane, they take up a bed/seat, eat food etc.
But kids do get 'free' kids club so that is a bonus for the adults and more people you put into a room the cheaper per person it gets.
So 1 adult + 1 kid under 12 is the same price as 2 adults.
you basically pay for the room and divide it. so they just restructure the pricing if you add kids. they make adults prices higher and make kids prices cheaper, but still equals the same amount for the room.
Great price! If you book directly with Carnival it is $372/person but you get $100 onboard spending money for an Interior 'Obstructed' window view room. So slightly better if you want to get the additional $100 spending money.
Had to scroll so long thru many screens just to find a comment that was actually about the cruise. Yeah, looks good price.
Ha Ha ,on this thread, the massive negs for anyone that dares displays any opinion of the developing vax facts. IMHO.
Too right brother. I am not vaxxed and I haven't been sick once despite visiting bathhouses daily. I think people under-estimate the power of male comradery on the chyna virus.
Me 2 .. You think some of these muppets would look beyond and realize these are not conspiracies, Just because it ain't on Kochie or Karl doen't mean it isin't happening.
The Bathhouse? Wait, what are you talking about…
How dare you put everyone at risk at the same level of risk had you done the right thing.
It's a bathhouse for men…i think they understand the risks
Or, just possibly, idiotic offtopic comments get negative votes for being idiotic offtopic comments?
Ratlickers deserve every bit of negativity they receive.
For a first time cruise experience what would be a good ship from Sydney for the next month or 2?
i would look into a short 3 or 4 day cruise. you will go out to see and back.
carnival is a good option, but all cruise ships are all pretty similar. i have been on pretty much all of them short and long cruises. I never once found myself not finding something to do. especially with the schedule on an app, they can quickly update it. before they would slide the schedule under your door early in the morning and then you figure out how to plan your day. now you can pretty much plan for the entire trip.
my favourite part of cruises is that its a set it and forget it holiday. everything is already taken care of (accommodations, food, entertainment, etc…) and you don't have to stress.
Sorry friend, you missed the boat. As many report, in an effort to gain revenue post covid, cost cutting on everything is the norm. Goodbye cruising and the good old days. If you must cruise bring a can opener.
i prefer getting my information from myself on a cruise with real life experience, instead of some stranger reporting.
I don't know what they were cost cutting on because I had a fantastic time. i ate so much, tons of great food. too many activities going on that i couldn't even make most of them. rooms super clean and my towel animal everyday. i had a fantastic time, and i already have multiple cruises im already booked for this year with different cruise ships, so i will let you know if i find some cost cutting present.
Don't forget the Free Covid…
if only i could work remotely with high speed internet (starlink?) — then this might be part of the solution for the aussie rental crisis
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Let's hope there's no cyclones or it's a cruise of Port Macquarie.