Thanks for all the advice, I think I now know what I need to be doing and how I shouldn‘t continue my pity party for one.
Happy weekend everybody
I Found out My Coworker Is Making 56% More than Me. Please Help Me Get over It
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Hey cut it out with the logical moves
If it's logical to comment without having read the post and offer a solution that has already been ruled out, congratulations; you have reached Spock levels of logicality.
Find the job with a higher salary first then negotiate or leave would be a little better.
Time to do 56% less work.
But due to maths, if confusedemployee1234 earns $100 and the other employee earns 56% more, that's $156.
When you take it the other way $100 is 64% of $156, in other words, 36% less.confusedemployee1234 should do 36% less work.
Oh, unless the other guy is already doing 56% more work.
I'll see myself out.
Don’t forget to factor in taxes. OP probably just needs to work one day a week now.
shut down due to budget constraints.
Are you sure the other guy isn’t doing anything else for the company
If you’ve asked nicely and been denied time to look elsewhere
3 You sure that other guy wasn't pulling ya leg on their wage? aka fluffed it up
Haha I can imagine old mate stitching up OP to put management on the spot for a raise once op leaves and they are scrambling to fill a niche role
Mate, a piece of advice I read online was:
- if you don't like your job and feel you're not enjoying it, then you should be searching for another job
- If you do like you're job and you're excelling at it, then you DEFINITELY should be searching for another job
This is the reason why they don't want pay to be discussed, no wonder why they're giving you stellar feedback :p.
I think you need to change your work mindset. Search for better jobs now. Also do the trial. Try to soak up any learnings/things you can add to your CV etc as you can. Also watch out for the "negative" mindset where work sets you up in a way that you think "i can only really work here, no one will really want me elsewhere" because thats not for you decide, let elsewhere decide that. (Basically I'm saying your plan sounds great!)
Also when you get a better job, tell that person thanks, many times people get "settled" into a position and they don't realise how far off its gone until something like a boss takes too much of an advantage of them that it pushes you to apply elsewhere or a colleague says something or you just realise you're not really where you want to be/doing.
I agree. I spent 7 years in my last role, doing work that I never liked and never excelled at - because I was comfortable and competent. I moved recently to the job that I wanted 7 years ago but didn't have enough experience for. Although I'm not earning much more yet, the next job after this I'll be able to get a 30%+ pay rise.
Basically, if you have been doing the same job for over 3 years then ask yourself why you're still doing it, if the answer is that you really love it and no amount of money would make you move then good for you. Otherwise it's time to look for a job that will be better for you.
So true, this happened to me too.
This is great advice, thank you.
Similar thing, a coworker knew about my confidential payrise and wasn't impressed, 6months later he slipped I got a raised because he was paid 5k more. Pretty pissed even losing 2.5k for same role.
Your 2 options are speaking manager to get a raise (won't get 50% though) or find a new job that values you and pays you better.
Not sure what else you're expecting. It's pretty normal for new hires to be paid more than someone in a role for years. That's just how it is.
Why not, they're willing to pay 56% more?
To attract new people. Not to retain existing ones.
You can pick at the absurd logic but that's how it is.
It really is stupid, but that's the way it is. The funny thing is that hiring a new person will cost them another $15k in recruiter fees, and a huge chunk in lost time while the new person skills up.
Soooo… they would rather lose a long term employee by not giving them a raise, but to hire new replacement staff, they would have to hire at the higher rate anyway to attract "new people"???
Seems stupid if in the long run you are going to be paying the same anyway, why not just give the raise to the long term employee, this will mkae them happier and you dont have to train someone to replace them.
@pegaxs: You're right, it doesn't make sense but it is the way it is. Happens at my workplace and people have been finding out about it and it's not gone down well.
@pegaxs: Correct. Because if you pay one employee 50% increase, you'll have to do the same for everyone else. Fine for a 2-person team, not so much for 50 people.
There are also weighted pros and cons of getting new blood in with fresh ideas and new outlook and energy and motivation and capability to use new modern software/tools over someone who's been in the role for many years and stuck in the same routine. Sure, has the knowledge and training and experience but maybe not the other elements which can be valuable too. So it's a balance to be struck. (Not personally validating this as don't agree necessarily, just sharing real corporate justification on it.)
@pegaxs: I moved into a new role about eight years ago and I knew they were underpaying me. But it was difficult to get this role elsewhere without experience. So I looked at it from a mutual benefit perspective for the first few years. After three years, they were hiring more junior staff at 40% more than what I was getting paid and all they offered me was a 10% increase. I waited another year to see what they would do and they still refused to match the higher pay, so I left for an offer that was more than double. Three months later, they came back and offered the same and I told them to get stuffed. I would've been happy had they originally matched that extra 30% or so difference.
Really doesn't make sense, but that's how corporate politics works!
@pegaxs: Usually because there are a lot of underpaid long term employees that aren't going to leave.
So it works out cheaper to lose one or two and rehire at a higher rate, than to pay everyone the higher rate.
This is so true.
You will find this at most workplaces.
Do a bit of digging and find out the ugly truth.
New workers will get paid more to do less, because the existing worker will take the load.
Please help me get over it.
binge on Netflix.
Drown sorrows with 2 x 3 pack of vb long necks at 20 to 8 in the morning
Or Woodstock.
Woodstock
"Blecch! Ew! Sheesh! I'll take a crab juice."
We have the same job title, the same university degree required for our work and this is their first job out of uni, it is my third job out of uni, but i switched careers.
That doesn't mean much, its look like your colleague valued to your work more than you. Best way to check your valuation would be by getting a job offer from another place and tell your boss.
1) you sure your co-worker is telling the truth?
2) interview somewhere else (anywhere else), get a job offer and demand your current employer match said offer
Reminds me of House where they told the black doctor the Jewish doctor was making like 50k more than him, but the female doctor and the Australian doctor were in on it and lying to mess with him.
Why don't you organize a meeting with your boss and tell him why you deserve a raise good raise according to salary in the market ? You need to bring all the good work you did over the past few years to the table . Once the meeting is done send an email with all these info - As discussed I deserve a raise before I have done all these blah blah blah and send some research to say how much the market is paying for similar jobs
If he truly appreciate your work you should get a positive outcome eg: we will normalize your salary in the next cycle or so
If they think you are worth only 80K after calling you a star, then go and spread your light in another organisation
You will loose nothing with asking nicely first !!
It's the same story over and over again. Companies are less and less likely to give you a payrise if there's no danger to them. The only way you make them take notice is if you actually threaten to leave/come to them with an offer from another company.
I've shifted jobs 3 times in 5 years, every time i noted that asking for more money would get me nowhere so i'd jump ship each time (every time they'd magically find another ~25% after seeing the new job offer). I've now over doubled my original salary and work in a better team than ever. If i stuck around in the previous job i'd be somewhere like 30% behind.
Don't threaten to leave. Ask for a raise, if you get it stay, if you don't leave.
Don't stay at a job where management knows you are not loyal.Someone hasnt tried to get a raise in this day and age have they…
Loyalty is dead
Work for government, set pay scales and room to move anywhere basically. Yes some shitty people will get advancement over you occasionally, but its so hard to get fired from a gov job that you can complain to everyone and anyone until something gets changed.
For example someone once stole my fork, i had them removed from our team.
Same apply in government, when you moving from APS to EL etc.
its so hard to get fired from a gov job
someone once stole my fork, i had them removed from our team.
Um… what?
They still work for gov, they just got very much encouraged to go to another area.
The fork was the final straw, prior to that they took credit for a years worth of work I had done as I got higher duties a month out from completion.
For example someone once stole my fork, i had them removed from our team.
That sounds like something Pam would create a post about.
Did you plant the fork on them?
Their annual salary is $125.000, my salary is $80.000. I have been at my role for 3,5 years, have onboarded and trained them, they started 6 months ago.
What was the market rate for this role 3.5 years ago when you were employed and what was the market rate for this role 6 months ago when your colleague was employed? The employer has to pay at least the market rate at the time to be able to attract someone. But they often won't go back and adjust the pay of everyone else already in that position.
If you're on $80K now and you have been getting 6% payrises for the last three years, does that mean you were initially employed on $67K? Were you an internal transfer into this current role? Some companies only give minimal payrises to internal transfers - just enough to bring the employee to the minimum of the pay band for the new role.
My boss calls me the star performer in the team…
Could be because of your cost vs output ratio…. haha
New people are often offered more to get them in the door. The trick is to become a new person (aka move company). Its super dumb of the employer, but whatever. You need to take advantage of their dumb logic if you want to get ahead. In future hopefully you end up at a company with smarter management and actual career progression.
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The fishing is awesome in here today… look at all teh bites.
How dare a new member ask a question. The nerve people have these days. /s
what is the industry and sort of occupation? i doubt a fresh grad will get $125k these days.
Apply for jobs that pay $130k. If you're worth $125k and they've been paying you 80k this whole time then your boss is going to be sore about suddenly having to pay you 45k more. He's going to hate you for asking and he'll act all nice after you bring it up but he'll be secretly planning on getting rid of you as soon as he can.
You don't mention how old this other guy is and how old you are. He could have a decade more experience than you for all we know.
Decade more experience as his first job out of uni?
Could be a mature age student.
But everything is relative remember.A Millionaire in the company of Billionaires will feel poor and he is right to feel poor.
know what the market rate is
and I don't ever compare with others.Where do you think the 'market rate' comes from, if not comparing with others?
As low as possible while still having workers?
Applying 'logic' to a tsunamisurfer post? Starting Friday evening drinks a little early mate, yeah?
Friday drinks normally starts around 3 pm in the Aussie companies I’ve worked in, I wouldn’t say it’s early at all haha.
Seek? Agents? LinkedIn?
It gives us more bargaining power and collective strength as a workforce to push for more. Pay should be more fair and transparent. The reason employers never wanted it is because it makes things potentially harder and more expensive for them. Why would we as employees want to support that?
Also maybe ask him out on a date, he sounds like marriage material. Why settle for $125k when you could have a combined $205k income.
But if OP got his pay matched first and then asked him out, they could have a combined income of $250k!
You will get over it when you find out that they aren't in an Industry Super fund.
I don't really understand how you expect this to work.
"My colleague earns more than me."
"Yep, they bring some additional skills and fresh ideas."
"I should get paid more."
"Well, you have been getting consistently good pay rises."
"But not as high as my colleague."
"Sure, but what can you offer to justify a much higher pay rise?"While it clearly isn't fair, it certainly seems your colleague was able to negotiate a good deal, where you were much less successful.
The boss doesn't have to pay the same to all workers, and if you don't want to get a different job, there isn't anything much you can do.It's not fair!
There's a wage gap…..even between men! 🤯
Sure, but what can you offer to justify a much higher pay rise?
crickets
But.. you gave me a gold star on the annual review?????!!!
maybe they have better skills
but ive seen this before, your only option is1.) quit and get another job
2.) accept what your getting and stay
3.) ask for payrise, if they say no goto 1 or 2I'm sure someone else has already said this but start the trial so you have the 'acting title ' and you're doing the role. Start using this immediately to find another job or atleast go for another job to negotiate your pay with the current employer. I don't think you should wait out the 3 months for this and I don't think you need to. Once you're trialing the role, to any prospective employer, you're already completing the role. Then make your choice from there, but if you have to wait until June to have that conversation with them about your pay being lower than your colleagues, will you really want to stay after that… even if they give you a higher pay? Are they just going to say "oh, that's fair enough, we'll pay you an extra $45k"? Highly doubtful.
He told the boss he is on ozbargain and if he gets paid more, he spends more to help the economy.
Mind your own business
I know in my field there are quite a few who are useless but think they deserve a pay rise.
Quit > Reapply for the same job in the same company > negotiate > profit > trump your co-worker.
But I find it really odd that if someone quits because of pay and try to stay if they raise it on market rates but is declined, HR will re-advertise the role with better or the market rate… I dont understand this logic?
For the same role?
Well you now know what your company values that role at, so now make your case and ask for a ~56% pay rise.
Do not mention your co-worker at all.
Just do your market research and 'independently' come up with a figure that is similar to what the co-worker is earning.
If they won't negotiate in good faith then don't just 'get over it', it's time to move on to a new job.
Why compare yourself with your co-worker, when you have applied you put in there your salary expectations and that has been met surely?
Just be happy that you have a job and getting paid to settle your bills, so many people are out of job at the moment.
My co-worker does little work and is a senior who's always out (we're WFH) and only available for a few hours, but is getting paid with top dollars, life's unfair, but it is what it is.
I was on 71.5k
I saw that a lot of the jobs that I am eligible for, have the payrate of at least 90k
I emailed my boss and asked them to increase my salary to 90k and told him that it should be ok to increase my salary to more than 20% to retain me as i dont want to apply for the job and negotiate later
he agreed, my pay is now 90k
sometimes all you have to do is talk
your boss won't talk to you about this, as he would never want to increase the company's spendgo on and ask your boss to increase your salary to match the current market and employees in the company
One is working part time and the other is doing full time hours
OP, why are you trying to compare one man's pay slip to yours? Are you that low in self-esteem and so insecure that you can't stand when one man is better than you, or getting stuff that you can't? You need help, seriously. I'm sure you have so much insecurities in you that needs fixing.
Quit and find another job with higher salary?