Deal description update:
Quote from Tennis Au:
In another first for the Australian Open, ‘Mob pricing’ will be available to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people on First Nations Day, offering a discount of $10 on Ground Passes.
Source: https://www.tennis.com.au/news/2023/01/08/indigenous-culture…
First Nations Day Offer
Adult — $49.00 each
Kids 3-14 Years — $10.00 each
Concession — $39.00 each
OW price beat? Cashback?
Divisive and discriminatory
Well I'll certain be identifying indigenous when i pay for my groundpass next week.
No good
Blatant racism
we are all Australians this 1st nations BS just divides us - the voice will just divide us
your are not special or less important because your ancestors have been here for multiple generations or one generation.
we need to united ourselves i feel like 'first nations' entire exists is based on dividing Australia based on race
It’s not possible until all the issues of the past, present and the future are permanently addressed. Which will never happen with this type of mentality!
You sound like a broken record full of the same over used taglines mate. He's right, none of this rubbish is actually helping Aboriginals. It's only creating more division and trying to create more differences between one an other.
Until the issues are addressed this will happen for a long long time. The issues were never properly addressed so cop the flak for few more generations.
@Flyin: The Vietnamese people got their entire country invaded.
Horrific slaughter, death, genocide - all the horror and brutalities of war and yet they came to Australia, dusted themselves off and started businesses, sent their kids to school and on to successful lives via hard work. No whinging at all. That next generation went on to even greater success. No sooking, no whinging, no hand outs. Just got on with life.
There is such a well beaten pathway to professional victim-hood these days. Perhaps it gets in the way of people seeing their own weakness and inadequacies?
@King Tightarse: Absolutely
Look at Indians and how they were under the colonial rule until 1947, I spent a lot of my childhood there…
We were accurately taught our history and yes how we were oppressed by the whites/colonials.
But they also taught us about how before the British, our own regional rulers/kings were killing and slaughtering each other.
The caste system, sati system etc etc
At school, we weren’t explicitly taught to hate anyone or that weren’t victims of anyone/anything. Everyday we would hear testimonies of past graduates from our school, local village growing up and becoming ultra successful and that we could do the same if we ever cared to apply ourselves.
We all made our own minds and 99% of us understood that violence and domination was the norm back then. But their was nothing/no one stopping us from succeeding anymore..
And now in the 21st century, we migrate to the West with a slight scepticism but after integrating and working many many jobs like we do.. We know that this is the place to be and we try everything we can to stay here for good.
We take advantage of the meritocracy and use it effectively to become one of the highest earning groups prevailing in Australia and rest of the Western countries.
Lucky us Indians that we weren’t brought up with a constant victim mindset,
@Gervais fanboy: That's a fantastic post and very refreshing to hear about India.
Likewise the excellent points about Vietnamese people.
Very different attitudes to many.
@UberIsCool: Pillaged - yes
Raped - No, not really. Prostitution existed before the British came. They regulated it and actively indulged themselves in it.
Plus, they abolished the Sati system (look it up)
Rooted out the abhorrent ‘untouchables’ discriminatory nonsense.
Regardless, their wrongs outweighed any little good that they did. But I had to mention the good stuff because you make very binary arguments.
Anyways, Read my comment above again
I did say that Indians were oppressed by the British and I was accurately taught about all the atrocities that they committed against us…
But the people who did it and my ancestors who suffered it, have all since passed away…
What’s you point?
@King Tightarse: Who is whining and complaining about $10 deal now? Work hard pay the full price. Don’t whine because someone else getting a cheaper price.
@Flyin: Haha not even close Flyin.
FYI the above story about the Vietnamese is a comparative.
I will maker it simpler: the Vietnamese people underwent unbelievable war horrors on a huge scale. Many Southern Vietnamese had to leave Vietnam and came to Australia or risk death from the communists.
When they arrived in Australia, they worked hard, did not complain and achieved success within a single generation without whingeing or mass hand outs.
No sooking, whining or permanent-victim attitude. Hard work, a stoic attitude and a focus on generational success paid off.
The Vietnamese people got their entire country invaded.
Was that their first experience with foreigners and a culture, system and language that differed from their own?
@Techie4066: Definition of pathetic.
Up voting all comments arguing with me.
3 b2b2b personal insults in a row
All of the above
Prescribed bedtime hey? Almost as good as call me a dick and dense hey?
@Techie4066: Something tells me I've got someone else to add to my ignore list.
Enjoy your night. I'm sure you are counting down the minute till you can neg 5 more of my comments tonight :)
@scuderiarmani: Haven't negged one of your 23 comments, bud. It would appear that you hold grudges. Embarrassing.
@Techie4066: Don't bother replying mate, I won't see any post, I don't care for anything you say. Bye!
@scuderiarmani: Hey mate
Playing the devil’s advocate here : Even the people that we might not agree with, we should still hear them out.
Should never censor anyone’s point of views, imo…
They might just make a point that’s better than our own and we can maybe learn from them.
@scuderiarmani: He said something really daft to me just earlier too…
He just outright lies about stuff. Typical.
But I welcome that, as this only helps for the ‘centrists’ to see what these virtuous woke types are actually made up of.
Btw You know your truth, the little Techie boy knows nothing and in real life wouldn’t talk like this to anyone ever.
@Gervais fanboy: Totally agree - I've heard it said that the best way to counter dangerous/silly ideas is not with censorship, but with rational debate
@Techie4066: I think the magnitude of the event overwhelms any difference.
Arriving in Australia in the 70's would be full immersion into the unknown. An act of bravery born of desperation. A country whose first act of Parliament was the White Australia policy and no compatriots in fact few other Asian people to be seen.
I grew up in Richmond Victoria and I watched it happen. Victoria street, that sleepy 'other' Richmond main straight went from slow plumbers shops and tailors to Vietnamese seemingly overnight to a 70's kid on his BMX. It was completely foreign.
So yes, for the Vietnamese, foreign culture, foreign language no compatriots and absolutely burned bridges to the now closed and communist homeland.
Communist Vietnam seemed about as closed and foreign and North Korea does now.
No way home.
@King Tightarse: They moved to a country that assisted with evacuation, settlement, education and so on. So very different.
@Techie4066: Nonsense. Many arrived by boat after fighting off pirates. Many died at sea.
Do some reading and get back to me.
@King Tightarse: Ok, and after that journey? They didn't take decades to get here. Do some reading and get back to me.
@Techie4066: There were virtually no Vietnamese services or interpreters at the time. None. The most common language was often French in the early days
You clearly have NFI about this subject.
@King Tightarse: Now that there's some common ground, just think what Indigenous people faced without any shared structure of communication.
Never have I read a more red neck comment on here in my life. Hope China invades you home and you might understand a little
So what you are saying is people have No right to speak their thoughts.Then you label them as Red necks and then you hope Australia is invaded by China.Well in Australia we have Free Speech and if it don't enjoy or believe in it well there are plenty of airports about for you to leave if you so choose. I VOTE NO to your predjudice ways, maybe you would be happier in a communist country where there is NO free speech.Watch the news headlines tonight and take your pick of your preferred new home.
Dude if i could pick any country and get instant citizenship then I’d be out of here in a flash. The comment above absolutely shits all over First Nation people who owned this land before it was invaded. If another country was to invade us we’d be screaming for help from America.
Anyway, i have no issue, Australia is becoming more pro First Nations rights so smile, enjoy the ride and be happy for them, the original land owners :)
@UberIsCool: Dm me, I’ll be more than happy to help you out with your permanent migration applications to India, Pakistan and a whole load of African nations..
@Gervais fanboy: I doubt they need more population, but if you were joking, those countries are beautiful
@UberIsCool: But I thought you were desperate to get out of here?
Why continue living in such a evil, racist regime…
those countries are beautiful
They have got some nice sceneries, sure.
Otherwise, there’s a reason why almost all of them are soo soo desperate to come here and would take your spot in the Australian society without a second thought.
Be grateful that you get to be in this great country and all your other unearned privileges.
@Gervais fanboy: "Be grateful that you get to be in this great country and all your other unearned privileges." Extremely, its the people i don't like. Once i went OS and they ask where i was from and i said NZ.
@UberIsCool: I understand but no society is perfect, right?
There’s a bleak minority of bad people everywhere.
Unless you are suggesting it’s a not the insignificant minority but the majority of people that you don’t think are good…
In that case, tell me how can this country be soo darn great when most of its people aren’t?
@Gervais fanboy: The nature and landscape are darn great, not everything else that goes with that.
I find Australians in general once they get to a mentally mature age, which is different for all people, are pretty good but a lot don’t travel and have no idea how people in poor nations live or they don’t care. I have a mix of multicultural friends and they have a higher appreciation of what we have and for other cultures
Looking on here though, not much maturity, only little weasels and red necks hey? Are the little weasels the ones driving the utes with roo shooting gear ?
@ozhunter: Yeah had too, was after the usual 'entitled Australians think they can do whatever they want travelling like d*ckheads' flow of news articles
@inasero: Right… now the media is lying to us. Next the earth will be flat. Comments like yours shows the kind of ignorance ive been referring to
Australia doesn't actually have laws protecting freedom of speech
lol, I don’t agree with you one bit either but I don’t want anybody to ‘Invade’ your home..
Good luck.
That is your right to disagree with my thoughts on being able practice Free speech. I don't agree in labelling people as Red necks but that is my choice.If you choose to do so that is your choice….That's Free speech. I also don’t support anybody to ‘Invade’ your home.Good luck.
@bkksam: lol, I know that the thread structure here gets a bit hard to gauge sometimes but I had written my comment in response to what @UberIsCool had written.
Btw, I don’t know you like you don’t know me
I don’t go around calling strangers ‘red necks’
Only little weasels online do that.
Every time I'm asked for my fishing licence I claim I'm Aboriginal and get off the fine as they are exempt in NSW. Not hard, just claim it, they can't question you.
I'm intrigued about this - are you able to share more about Aboriginals not requiring fishing licences in NSW?
Yes as stated Aboriginal people are exempt and do not need a licence https://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fishing/recreational/recreational…
F that…
@inasero: Sorry to fuel your outrage even further, but the same exemption applies (more or less) in Victoria, Tasmania and Western Australia.
But don't worry, you'll get over it ……
@jackspratt: But seriously though, do you not see the mental divide stuff like this creates?
Wouldn’t you too want to see people of Aborigines descent doing well and spread throughout Australia and not just in their own secluded communities, ravaged by drugs, alcoholism and crime.. Victims of tragic life expectancy, record incarceration rates.
I went to uni, worked in the CBD and hardly ever saw anyone from an Aboriginal background, even though my uni had special incentives for them to get enrolled.
Free fishing license isn’t a big deal but collectively all these crazy handouts targeted towards them, has actually crippled their communities.
I have said this before, blacks in America are suffering from very similar circumstances.
Because first generation African immigrants who are actually even darker than the American blacks and have a heavy accent when it comes to English, are the second highest earners of all (behind Asians Ofcos). Nothing held them behind from succeeding and enriching themselves…
Why is the rest of Australia soo scared to describe what they are looking at? When/Why did the men here become such p**sies?
Does this actually work?
I think less of the ozbargain community because of all the absolute trash in these comments
Get woke or go broke, bloke; but don't choke on the smoke from the toke of lefty blokes whose stressed about all these jokes about Aboriginal folk that don't stroke their egos like stoking an egg yolk; okey-doke?
If a deal worth of $10 making people so discriminated, so how does one feel about one’s land, water and the freedom?
Feel free to give your stolen house away to the first Aboriginal person you see. You won't because you just write things on the internet to make yourself feel better.
I’m not writing to make myself feel better but making a point to see a different perspective. I’m not talking about just the house but the whole land.
It's simple then. If you feel so strongly about it, move! Get off their land. Leave the country as you are also an invader of their land. If you're not prepared to do that, then he's right! You're just writing things on the internet to make yourself feel better. However, you're still no better than all the other 'invaders'.
@RnO: @Flyin Just like all the 'woke' folks who preach so much about things like taking more refugees. I have never once seen them volunteer their homes and spare rooms to house them. That should be someone else's problem I guess.
As for 'their' (I thought Aboriginals didn't believe in ownership) land, water, and freedom (what lack of freedom, Aboriginals have complete freedom in 2023), everyone is done with the reparations. Australia has said sorry and apologised on behalf of all ancestral wrong doing, and we consistently hand out a huge number of targeted benefits to their race to give them every advantage they could want if they so desire to conform (which they quite often do not, and that is 100% their choice). They have more land and water rights and general freedoms than any other race in Australia, and last I checked, this is a democratic society that is supposed to value equality. Elevating a single race above the rest is not equality and only furthers racial divide.
Almost every single country in the world has been colonised at one point or another, and you don't see these same benefits handed out to the 'original' people of those lands. I know I don't own the rights to a national park in Scotland, or can take more than the legal bag limit of fish from the English Channel.
We've acknowledged, we've apologised, we've made numerous and ongoing reparations. Nobody alive today is directly responsible for the actions of European settlers. It's time to move on.
@nokidsandthreemoney: 100%. Love that last line
"Nobody alive today is directly responsible for the actions of European settlers"
Perfect
@RnO: Why can’t you get it? Change your view first. Some wounds take so long to heal. Be patient, compassionate, don’t whine about $10 deals.
@Flyin: Permanent whingers will never be satisfied. The topic might change but the whingeing and victim-attitude will remain the same.
@Flyin: What if the compassionate thing to do is to understand that Indigenous Australians have agency, and that affirmative actions such as this deal is actually robbing them of that very same agency?
For a post early in 2023, I’m tipping this is the one to beat for most commented one. Well at least the removed comments post. 😜
Let’s just use the discounted link provided and then laugh to ourselves when they say it was a very well taken up offer…
Yeah by OzBargain tightarses!! 😜
Just imagine the comments if this $10 off was for say 1/2 Indian, half Chinese one armed, red haired, green eyed, Trans identifying!!
I don't believe in racist deals, treat people equally
This offer has its basis in the racism of lower expectations. Merely due to their genetic makeup they need help. This type of policy is supported by racist lefties who genuinely believe that certain races are incapable of performing as well as whites.
Lefties minds exploding everywhere right now from this deal. They want to say it's not racist because it's good to help Aboriginals, but at the same time, saying that Aboriginals need help because they can't afford what other races can, is racist in itself! HALP!
From my brief observations of this thread, the exploding minds are very much enclosed within the skulls of those of your ilk.
Merely due to their genetic makeup they need help.
So you're saying that severe systematic oppression until a few decades ago (and to a lesser extent, through to present day) doesn't leave Indigenous people disadvantaged in 2023? Yes, Indigenous people were targeted purely for their skin colour - how abhorrent is that! I'm glad you can recognise that.
I think deals based on race are very unhealthy.
If we ever make real forward-progress as a unified nation, I like the premise contained within Ben Lee's song, used well by the Salvation Army as an ad.
"we are all in this together" . Because no-one chooses their parents nor their ancestors, so what else can we do once we find our selves landed here, other than work together?
Currently popular Australian political thinking is increasingly race-based and divisive. A sort of bastard child of the BLM movement and Critical Race Theory.
We have wandered far off the path proposed by Dr Martin Luther King Jr. when he suggested that his children might:
"live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character"
Guess not Dr King. Colour of the skin it is, for now. And apparently Tennis Australia thinks so too….
So well put. I hope that we move toward that dream too! That we are all equal. Excellent quote from MLK!
A side note but I also want to petition that instead of adjusting our current national anthem from 'young and free' to 'one and free', which our federal government clearly does not wish to assist with the unification and would rather be racially divisive, we change the national anthem to 'We are Australian' by the Seekers. If you haven't heard before, or for a while, listen to the lyrics. I get chills every time. 'We are one, but we are many, and from all the lands on earth we come, we share a dream, and sing with one voice, I am, you are, we are Australian'…
One doesn't even need to be, you know, Indigenous Australian. You just have to have a great great aunt thrice removed, "identify" and be accepted as one (whatever than means)
You lot going to continue to ignore what MLK was also calling for, while using his words? We are not "all equal" precisely because some people in power did not see all people as human, or worthy.
https://www.investopedia.com/the-economics-of-martin-luther-…
Explain to me what you think Critical Race Theory is, and how it has infiltrated popular Australian political thinking?
This is blatant racism/discrimination against non-indigenous peeps, pure and simple. This should not be allowed in Australia. Or anywhere.
I find it really bizarre that people think all Aboriginal people who were born in the 60s and 70s are dead now so no one alive is affected by the systemic racism, kidnapping and exclusion from society that was still occurring then and that their children haven't been affected by the disadvantage their parents experienced. That's if we pretend it all ended as soon as things started to slowly change.
Probably right that a token gesture of $10 off a $60 tennis ticket is going to tip things too far in the favour of Aboriginal people and we absolutely must protest against this incredible injustice!
Probably right that a token gesture of $10 off a $60 tennis ticket is going to tip things too far in the favour of Aboriginal people and we absolutely must protest against this incredible injustice!
You've missed the point. More people would be up in arms if it was for white people only or asian people only. Many racists don't realise they're racist.
"Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome."
https://onlinepublichealth.gwu.edu/resources/equity-vs-equal…
Descrimination pure and simple.
Wow, choosing which 5 genuinely racist (unlike this deal, which is not at all racist) comments to neg was extremely hard. Should be able to buy extra negs via a charitable donation.
(I’d have chosen this charity: https://www.indigenousliteracyfoundation.org.au/)
Awww
Poor little Timmy, all he wanted for Christmas were a few extra negs….
I’d give you mine if I could.
I just gave you a neg. Hope it helps. Use it wisely.
If you're so passionate about Aboriginal literacy and education, why don't you volunteer to assist the charity with your time and money anyway, or better yet, give your home and all your acquired possessions to them if you really believe you're living on 'stolen' land?
But you wouldn't would you, because you and all your far left, politically correct, self-righteous, virtue signalling, hypocritical friends would never actually go as far as putting your money where your mouth is. You just stroke each others egos, pump each other up, and buy in to the illusion that you're 100% correct in your beliefs and nobody disagrees with you, then jump online and try to push your misinformed agenda on everyone else.
If you really believed in what you're posting online, you'd bugger off back to where your ancestral roots lie and give up your home to Aboriginals, but you won't, will you, because you don't actually believe in it that much. So wake up and realise that YOU are wrong, and shut it.
Are you sure that along with being "far left, politically correct, self-righteous, virtue signalling, hypocritical", I'm not also woke? Missed a chance there!
FYI, I have worked in Aboriginal communities in the NT, and currently work for a mental health NGO that, while is not specifically for First Nations people, works with a large number of them and also works closely alongside Aboriginal Controlled Health Organisations to improve mental health and wellbeing.
PS. have a read of this and it might give you some insight into the difference between equity, equality, and justice, and why sometimes it's ok to advantage one group over another
Congratulations, thank you for job application and your work experience is noted but unfortunately we aren't hiring right now.
I've also worked with Aboriginal people, had them as peers, and as patients. But has nothing to do with and doesn't change the fact that this is a racially based deal, which you deny.
You cannot have it both ways, complain about racism, but then straight after say 'sometimes it's ok to advantage one group over another'. You are literally contradicting yourself and proving my point of your hypocrisy.
@nokidsandthreemoney: "Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome."
Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome."
Doesn't take into account that they made different choices though…
Champagne socialism
I say, Arthur, this thread is going well.
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I Vote NO to this deal & and any future deal that will divide us.