Not cheaper than the upcoming shopping express deal, but at least you can get this card now
Inno3d GeForce RTX 4070 Ti X3 OC Graphics Card $1329 + Delivery ($0 SYD C&C) @ JW Computers
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You still angry about your "deal" getting neg'd almost a week ago mate?
You still angry about your "deal" getting neg'd almost a week ago mate?
Seems like it.
Personal value's being defeated can feel very sour.
It takes weeks to be accepted (or never).
I find it entertaining how passionate people get over prices of a computer part. And the fact you're keeping tabs who's posting what makes it more funny
Keeping tabs?
Pretty hard not to notice the guy that throws a tantrum on every 4070 ti post.@[Deactivated]: I said entertaining and your reply is tantrum. Lol. Completely different perceptions going on here. Its as fun as telling a lefty climate change doesn't exist. Can't wait for more 4070ti deals to be posted.
@MagnamoniousRex: another sheep joins in; pleasure to tell you your patronising remark has nil effect. Sit down and suck the 4070ti deals as many more are to follow.
Rip off card for dummies
It's been 1 week since release, stock is sitting on shelves and we're seeing drops of $150 from MSRP. That's gotta tell you something about the 4070 Ti's positioning and this saturated market. When was the last time something like this happened with a brand spanking new GPU release?
7900xt went on special day after launch and is sitting on shelves everywhere, Intel cards as well.
It's almost like there isn't a chip shortage anymore and not a global downturn in demand. But hey don't let these inconvenient aspects get in the way of your narrative.
What narrative are you referring to Osiris? Are you misguidedly thinking I only accuse nVidia of poor value alone https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/13236697/redir
The prices are falling because people are not buying, stock is plentiful, and may this trend hopefully continue with this generation
Hope so. Prices have been beyond stupid for so long.
Not much more to say on it, you posed a scenario and then asked when was the last time it happened and I provided you with an answer to it. Pretty straight forward. There's no chip shortage so there is surplus stock and there's a global downturn in demand across the tech sector, so nothing is going to sell out which seems to be the criteria for success you are using: shrug:
@Osiris: I'm not focusing on the 'success' of the card in particular, merely highlighting to people considering upgrading that even with these discounts it is not at all an ideal time to buy GPUs while nVidia and AMD are still in the consumer milking phase of their pricing strategy. The rapid price drops and excess stock are clearly hinting at this
If anybody has a GPU that still runs the games they play but are thinking of an upgrade to increase settings and resolution it is most certainly worth seeing what the market does rather than falling into temptation while pricing is poor and discounts appear to continue coming rapidly.
These prices are also still incredibly off-putting to anyone getting their children into PC gaming, while consoles are offering pretty decent experiences for half the price of one mid tier component in a gaming PC
It is heading towards a buyers market if these trends continue https://www.tomshardware.com/news/sales-of-desktop-graphics-…
It's a guaranteed $30 saving if you wait two days… It's only going down and down with how much stock is available..
Not anywhere near "guaranteed" with SE only stocking 10 units at 1299
but at least you can get this card now
Was it ever a problem with this card?
Pretty sure poster meant you can buy it now rather than waiting for the SE deal in 2 days time.
The SE deal says it only has 10 units available, good luck.
mediocre performace at this price range. like previous comments even $1299 does not justify the performace to price ratio.
Some examples here :
Gamers Nexus : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-FMPbm5CNM&t=1437s
Hardware Unboxed : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mE5aveN4Bo&t=1470s
Some Insight :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy0Bq0YdPYUJust no!
This card should have been called a 4060 and priced much lower.
it's basically a 3090ti at $1300…better than anything we've seen before but somehow still terrible
Except a 3090TI has 24GB of vram and NVLink support which is probably relevant for whoever bought it.
The 3090 and 3090Ti also has better ray tracing and tensor performance… Which is relevant if you’re using OptiX or training AI modelsIf you want just pure rasterisation performance, you’re better with the 7900XT or 4090. If you’re talking about RT or Tensor then the 3090 or 3090TI. Unfortunately the 4070TI is in a dilemma where it doesn’t have much vram, nor rasterisation performance for it’s price and definitely not tensor/rt perf.
At this price point, I’d question whether you really need a Nvidia card. This has probably been the worst card I’ve seen Nvidia release yet. Worse than the 1650, 1630, 3050 etcSpeaking of AI models is it better to get used 3090 for around $1100?
Or brand new 4090?
As its for work, the price difference matters but also the warranty.
The used one most likely not tax deductible?3090 or 4090 would be much better for AI models training due to 24GB of VRAM with better bandwidth.
Depending on the model, the speed of 3090 and 4090 may be the same (on a few tests using fp16 training, with fp32 4090 was faster) or 4090 may be up to 2x faster.
Overall I'd expect 4090 to be on average around 1.4x faster, which is significant.
3090 has NVLink but it's not really necessary for multi-GPU training.It's also possible to see some 4090 performance improvements with the new CUDA and cudnn libraries releases, when 3090 was released it was often slower than 2080ti, until the new version of cudnn library fixed the performance issues.
Won't somebody please think of the shareholders?
Thanks OP - I know at least a couple of folks who are sick of $1200 3080s new, and don't want to scour marketplace for a last-gen mined-on flagship for $900.
The other alternative is a $700-800 secondhand 6800xt, or a 6900xt on a deal for $900 which should provide close enough performance.
3090ti-like performance for $1300 seems quite reasonable these days.
No, these day are not Crypto boom day, its over…this should be $599 card, the people who think it's reasonable are the people who stupid enough to pay such a high price for their GPU during the boom and now.
What about phones? Are you suggesting those seeking a new phone to replace their broken phone should feel ashamed because of the prices these days? Because they're "stupid" to pay over $1000 for a phone when you can get two generations old phones for $500? What if they want to buy something that lasts?
I would argue a GPU has much more utility and lasts longer than a phone, especially for those that can afford these prices.
Can you make calls or find hot dudes on Grindr on your GPU?
Didn't think so…utility definitely in favour of phones
@buckster: Fair point.
How about petrol though? Should people be called "stupid" for buying at $2 a litre, when someone's alt on the internet thinks it should be $1?
Or food? I mean food is suddenly stupid expensive. We don't tell people to stop going to cafes and enjoying themselves with their money. edit or hate on farmers, or supply chain businesses
@MiniMyna: Your argument doesn't make sense, comparing it to food and petrol, you need food and petrol to live and run your daily life, GPU you can live without it.
So in another word you'll be stupid to pay for overprice GPU, and you're not an idiot if you pay for overprice petrol and food to live.
Your argument is strange because you said "new phone replace their broken phone" I have never said anything about replacing a broken GPU. What I'm saying is Nvidia is taking consumers as idiots and trying to inflate the price as if it was Crypto booming period. If you have an old CPU that can keep you going, go for it, if you can't then waste your money away and get this card.
These cards will never be $599 again. The 3060Ti is still selling for $599 brand new. People that think this isn’t the new norm are in for a world of hurt.
AUD 599? I like your optimism. It will be 599, in the second-hand market when the 60 series release.
Nope. I will hold.
Always apply this rule: if you can’t buy it twice, you probably can’t afford it in the first place.
That's a strange rule, most people can afford to buy it twice, but decide the smart things to do is not to buy it.
I think the problem is there are still 3060, 3050,3070 cards on market now. If 4070 ti sell for 800-900, how much 3060 will sell? $300-400? 3050 sell for $200-300? How much is the cost to make a gpu card? If they have super profit like a 4070ti selling for $1300 but only cost $200, then I guess Amd is similar, they might sell 7900xt for $600 only, amd market share is very low in gpu market, they will drop price if they still can make money. Like rx6600xt, it is $200 cheaper than their competitor’s card.
If we forget about the names of the cards, only price based on performance, what card is 4070 ti equivalent to? 3090? How much is a 3090 for now? Technically we are not buying a gpu, we are buying the 60/70/80/144 fps on my 4k ultra aaa games.
The problem is not 4070 ti selling for 1300, the problem is the entire gpu market price is crazy. A guy is buying 4090 for 2.5k is no better than someone buying 4070 ti for 1.3k. The high end gpu should be within 1.5k and mid end should be around $500. Otherwise more and more people will jump to consoles, I buy 1k laptop for work, $800 for ps5, I have the 4k 120hz gaming.
I respect your considered perspective with regards to market value. But "should be" doesn't dictate the market. Yes, the GPU makers have successfully moved the needle.
However, the PS5's GPU performance is roughly equivalent to a 5700XT. The 4070ti is roughly 3.5x the power of the PS5's GPU.
People who are buying these want higher levels of graphical fidelity and customisation. I think given the current market, $1299 is a decent price. Especially given the inferior raytracing GPUs with similar performance (7900xt) are 10% more expensive.
There is no “equivalent “ to 5700xt, what I know is ps5 can provide 4k 120hz high setting gaming and cost 799, regardless how they do it. If any gpu cannot do 4k 120hz high setting gaming, then it does not worth 799.
Will 4070ti do 4k 120hz gaming? Let us assume it is in a 13900k ddr5 64g ram gen4 ssd system?
And I am not saying 4070 ti only, I am saying all gpus, any gpu cannot do what ps5 can provide to gamers, then it is not worth 799!
That's perhaps also true. Digital Foundry is unpopularly very balanced on the 4070ti. But they say it something like this:
As a general rule, 2 years after a console's release, a graphics card that provides double the power should cost about the same.
Compared to other cards, 4070ti provides greater than or equal to 3090ti performance, for half the cost and half the power use. This is actually pretty great. But compared to a PS5, it is 30% more expensive than the $900 or so PS5 in this deal.
Perhaps the market will adjust closer to PS5 price. But if people are still buying 3080s for $900, 3090s for $1200 SECONDHAND, then a "special" of $1300 for a class-leading GPU, even compared to a console, makes sense suddenly.
The "high end GPU" for consumers is the 4080 (and possibly the 4080 Ti at some stage). The 4080 is already sub-$1900, but needs to go a couple hundred lower at least. Ampere 80-class GPUs were unusually close to their full dies, otherwise 80-class has always been less than 80% of the 102 die. The 1080 (US$599) had 2560 CUDA cores, the 1080Ti (USD699) had 3,584. The Titan Xp with 3840 cores cost USD 2,500. The 2080 (US$699) also had 2944 CUDA cores, compared to 4352 in the 2080Ti (USD 1199). Stepping up to the 4608 CUDA cores in the Titan RTX took the price to USD 2,500.
You need to take into account that the 90-class GPUs replace what used to be Titan SKUs in nVidia's product stack, and they were always extremely expensive. In fact the 90-class GPUs are much cheaper than actual Titan-branded products (partly because they lack full-rate FP32 accumulate Tensor throughput and OpenGL acceleration for CAD applications).
80-class GPUs do need to be lower in price, but assuming that current-gen 90-class GPUs will ever be sub-2k is a wildly optimistic fantasy.
I don't quite get the hate. It has 4090 performance but cheaper and lower power consumption? Don't get me wrong NVIDIA still making a chunk of money but a year ago we were paying this money for 3070s.
A year ago, miners were paying this money, gamers moved to consoles. Miners or content editors paying this money I get it, it is their tool to make a living. but only gaming paying this money for gpu instead of ps5/Xbox, I don’t get it.
It doesn't make sense for the vast majority of people. Only a small percentage can really afford or needs to run 4K RTX games instead of a PS5.
IMO the mainstream gaming media have warped everyone's mind to say that everyone needs a top-of-the-line GPU when it's absolutely not the case.
You can have just as an enjoyable experience with a 1660 super and an i5 9400 as you can with a 4070ti and a 5800X3D.
Plenty of gamers paid this money. I bought a 3060ti a year ago for 850. I'm not saying in terms of relative current prices the 4070ti is a good deal. But 1300 for the performance of a recently $2400MSRP card seems okay? I mean there's plenty of deals to be had. I upgraded to a 3070 for $500 AUD second hand recently but was consider paying $800 for it new just a few months ago.
Say no to being scammed by NVIDIA
Also, 4070ti in US is msrp usd 799, based on today’s exchange rate around Aud 1150, and in us it is always in stock (no many people buying), unlike 4090 always sold out.
What the heck is this 1300 aud deal thing? How much is the msrp for 4070 ti in au?
Have you not bought any tech before? due to tax , you need to roughly multiply USD by 1.85 to AUD
USD$799=AU$1150+10GST $115=$1265
So by feb I expect these to be $1299 so call all the prices since then, launch day, early adopters tax
By march, maybe as low as $1200! Depends on the pricing of the lower end cards but each stop down is 50% loss of some kind performance for the proposed 4070/4060&Ti $900/$600 estimated prices but with commiserate loss of performance too.The 3070Ti passes the good enough test.
It's absolutely not a deal and yet still gets posted <inside out smilely face>
$600USD no more no less
ya dreamin!
wish it was though
Artificially hiked RRP, which is then claimed to be discounted. No Deal.
Got mine today, ordered SUNDAY EVENING, delivered WEDNESDAY for $10
Wont boot on the Dell XPS 8950/450w PSU, just not enough juice! My other dell XPS grumpo is the Z690 chipset has no dell bios support for Intel's 13th generation upgrade path!@#$! Piss poor support from DELL and no intent in changing ways and governments too eager to ignore eWASTE for more SALES new for the GST.
Booted on the >>650W gigabyte build using the adaptor (saves buying a 750w PSU3.0 $250) ~ So 10th gen power budget build gets the 4070Ti… Ahhh dell, if only I new what (profanity) you were id never have bought from you!
Osiris on 13/01/2023 - 19:34 Comment score below threshold.
