Neighbour Killing Pest Birds in His Yard

Lchimkenstalker on 23/12/2022 - 19:10

In a casual discussion, my neighbor mentioned to me that he's been killing blackbirds and Indian Minah birds in his backyard.

As an attempt to keep them off his fruit and vegetable crops, he's been trapping them and then euthanizing them - according to him, humanely.
I was pretty shocked as I consider this to be a bit over the top and kind of weird.

I told him this, but he's convinced that it's legal and ethical as they are invasive pest bird species that compete with native wildlife.

I've been looking at a few government wildlife websites, but they're all super vague and don't tell me whether or not he's allowed to do this.

Does anyone have any experience in this area and can tell me if it's legal for him to be doing this?

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Comments

  • SF3 on 23/12/2022 - 22:31
    +1

    I’m confused, is OP trying to help or bust the neighbour.

    Or wants to know if legal and wants in?

    • iNeed2Pee on 23/12/2022 - 23:20
      +1

      porque no los dos?

      • SF3 on 24/12/2022 - 00:25
        +1

        Tacos to go with that?

      • CocaKoala on 25/12/2022 - 08:48

        Extra jalapenos please.

    • chimkenstalker on 24/12/2022 - 13:19
      +3

      Not trying to bust, neighbor can do what he wants, just trying to learn more. If this is something that's beneficial and legal and performed without excessive suffering of the animal, should more people be doing this to help control invasive species? It seems quite a few community groups already are, as I've learned through these posts.

  • KaTst3R on 23/12/2022 - 23:18

    I need his service…

  • WT on 24/12/2022 - 07:17
    +1

    how does he do it? got some pigeons that have a meeting with the cooker

  • kiitos on 24/12/2022 - 07:19

    What sort of blackbirds are they? I haven't seen the type I find when I google blackbird.

    • lgacb08 on 24/12/2022 - 14:45
      +1

      Common blackbird, they're everywhere. Despite boring appearance, their singing is beautiful though.
      But I think those blackbird are actually on a grey area as they eat the garden pests. They don't do much damage to the fruit as thought. They do certain damage to the native but to other extents. The annoying bit about them is they dig up the yard everywhere killing of your young plant and making mess along the way

  • kyle on 24/12/2022 - 07:29

    I need his services

    • mapax on 24/12/2022 - 07:54
      +1

      Have a search for community mynah trapping. Some councils and wildlife protection groups hire out cage traps for free/cheap and all you have to do is place and bait the trap. Once you have caught pest birds you can either drop the cage off or call the group to collect it and they will euthanise the birds for you.

  • saltypete on 24/12/2022 - 08:49

    On a related issue - if the economy is so bad, why do I see lots of feral ducks wandering around parks etc?

    • pauly85 on 24/12/2022 - 18:53
      +2

      Many ducks also lost their jobs in the downturn.

      • juki on 24/12/2022 - 23:53
        +3

        they couldnt handle the bill

  • Davo1111 on 24/12/2022 - 09:16
    +1

    I don't see the issue if he's doing it efficiently

  • nswnotill on 24/12/2022 - 09:44
    +1

    In some Australian suburbs and regional areas, there are co-ops of residents to trap and otherwise get rid of feral birds such as Indian Mynas. In some cases they are supported by local councils. This should be encouraged.

  • Sega on 24/12/2022 - 09:55

    Kill yourself now and avoid the rush _ tism

  • TrumpisKing on 24/12/2022 - 10:01

    If they are an invasive species then there is absolutely nothing worth with that he's doing

    • monkeyfood on 24/12/2022 - 12:22

      only worth what somebody is willing to pay for it

    • DazMon on 24/12/2022 - 14:10

      What a strange thing to say?

      • SpainKing on 26/12/2022 - 01:39

        They meant to type wrong instead of worth, it probably autocorrected from a misspelling

  • payless69 on 24/12/2022 - 10:28

    Join a Men's Shed
    help with trap production and distribution.
    Remember some people are still allowed to kill and eat Mutton birds!

  • Tigercjn on 24/12/2022 - 10:29
    +5

    He is doing the right thing.

    https://indianmynaaction.org.au/

    There are guidelines for it in each state on the humane way to kill them.

    Near me, there is a vet that will euthanize them.

    https://yimag.org.au/ for the Yarra Group information

    • goldiep on 24/12/2022 - 14:47
      +2

      Thanks for this! I heard they were bad but did not understand HOW bad for other species. They are all around where I live, which is near parklands and lots of trees. We often find other birds, etc. ejected from their nests; these little buggers are probably the cause!

      Might have to give the trapping a go myself. We have kookaburras, magpies, owls, etc. All around us, which is awesome! If I can help them by assisting with the management of the IM, I'm in!

  • ntt on 24/12/2022 - 10:30
    +1

    taste like chicken?

  • 1195qq on 24/12/2022 - 10:35
    +1

    There is a flock of Indian Minah birds that have nested on the roof of the neighbouring apartment complex.

    They’re smart, noisy and keep coming back. Owls, snakes, reflective discs do not work in keeping them away. I also want to try and cage them but don’t think it’s as easy being in an apartment and no trapping services available in qld. More power to him if he’s doing it effectively.

    • idonotknowwhy on 24/12/2022 - 16:37
      +3

      Nobody said he's torturing them…

      • lonewolf on 25/12/2022 - 08:21
        -3

        Well nobody said he isnt either and frankly if he can so callously do this, then odds are he doesnt go to much effort to make sure its done humanely. Especially since there is no-one who knows how he does it.

        • banana365 on 25/12/2022 - 12:43

          Nobody has said how he does any of the process. The fact that many automatically assume it's done inhumanely and believe him to be callous says more about their own mental processes than it does about the neighbour.

          • lonewolf on 26/12/2022 - 17:16
            -1

            @banana365: Not really, its because they know a lot of people just wont KILL any bird because its in their yard and "bothers" them, so the people who are going to go the extra mile to kill the birds are more than likely not to do it humanely IF they dont have to show or demonstrate how they do it and if there is no authority they need to report to. The fact that he can so matter of factly talk about killing birds and so callously go through it speaks more about him. Because a lot of people just wont be able to bring themselves to kill a bird or defenceless animal because it is bothering them. Its alot harder to do than people assume. There is an innate feeling of guilt probably from human nature that stands in the way of killing a defenceless animal. I am not saying it cant be done ,but its harder to do than people assume.

            I would say you need to get used to it over time like how hunters in the US probably over time get used to it. But just ordinary folk who dont hunt, its not that easy to just go in the backyard and kill animals everytime they are bothering you. Which is why there is a lot of literature on also how a lot of serial killers / psychopaths / mentally deranged first start harming / killing animals before they move onto humans. Its a process of desensitising yourself. I know I wont be able to do it no matter how much the animal / bird is bothering me.

            I actually never said he was doing anything wrong for the people jumping to assumptions, I was just pointing out we dont know either way but the way he callously talked about it is a bit worrisome. Enough warning signs to have the OP come on here to post a thread about it. If you read the OP, he says he was shocked at how casually the person talked about catching and killing. Something in the nature of that conversation made the OP's sense pick up a worrying or shocked feeling and sent warning signs to his brain , enough to register a need to come and discuss it on here. Just like when you hear about how a criminal got caught because of a conversation he had with someone else and without him giving away the actual acts, the person felt strange or something was not right with this person.

            • banana365 on 26/12/2022 - 17:29
              +1

              @lonewolf: Again, that's an assumption on your part, likely coloured by your own prejudices. Most people won't kill birds for any reason, but some (like OP's neighbour) have decided that removing introduced species is a required course of action.

              Here's one possible thought process -
              "I like wildlife. I'd prefer not to harm any but I can see that these introduced species are harming the native wildlife. To preserve the native wildlife I'll do the unpleasant thing of killing the introduced species but I'll do it as painlessly/quickly as I can."

              Given the total lack of evidence either way on the neighbour's drivers, this is as likely, or likely more so than what many here are assuming, i.e. that the neighbour is some sort of nascent serial killer who's overjoyed to have found an excuse to practice various methods of killing.

              • lonewolf on 26/12/2022 - 17:32

                @banana365: Not really, As i didnt assume either way as i pointed out. Perhaps you should re-read what i wrote. Perhaps you should also re-read the OP. The neighbour said he is doing it to protect his crops not for some other altruistic reason. The neighbour was also very callous about it and sparked up a shocked feeling for the OP. Taking these things into consideration and with no authority to report to or no-one checking etc. What i said was human nature will come into it especially since he was so callous about the whole thing and hence he could so easily go down the less stressful / easier road of not following proper procedures. I never said he was either way but something in that conversation got the OP to come on here and talk about it. People tend to take the easier road than the more difficult road if they dont really care about it either way and arent phased about the outcomes or what they are doing and there is no-one else to report to.

  • Shane Pashen on 24/12/2022 - 11:48
    +1

    Good on him. Keep up the good work 👍

  • Kiro on 24/12/2022 - 11:50

    Drove away a lot of native birds.

  • chocolatelover on 24/12/2022 - 12:56

    I'm just curious why you wouldn't mind your business?

    • chimkenstalker on 24/12/2022 - 13:15
      +4

      Likewise. I'm just curious about this practice. Is it something that can be done to control pest animals who drive away native populations? Is it legal to do so? Should more people be doing this to protect the native wildlife if that is the case? It just got me thinking as I've never really encountered private citizens doing this before and I wanted to learn more about it.

  • GordonD on 24/12/2022 - 13:45
    +3

    I have a neighbor who poisons things he doesn't like.

    The council planted trees he didn't want on the footpath outside his place. He poisoned them. Unless the council caught him doing it, it was circumstancial.

    He grew a very nice lawn. The galahs liked it too, so he put out water dishes which we suspect were laced with organophosphate poison. You'd see the birds that had drunk it trying to get around on the ground with their legs paralysed. He didn't care that they weren't actually eating his grass, that they were digging up weeds and eating them. And he didn't care that they are a protected native species, and what he was doing was a criminal offense. It was inside a high fence with a locked gate. No-one was going to catch him.

    • neverpayfullretail on 24/12/2022 - 14:28
      +3

      Far out, wtf. Hope he doesn't take to humans what he's been dealing to the wildlife. Damn. I would not invite him to the street party.

    • chimkenstalker on 24/12/2022 - 14:34
      +1

      Ooof. That's pretty messed up.

    • CocaKoala on 25/12/2022 - 08:51
      +1

      Some people are so messed up.

    • jinkerjinx on 26/12/2022 - 20:27

      a study showed 6% of people will swerve to try and kill a fake animal (snake/turtle/lizard.. google Mark Rober NASA study)
      others have correlated this finding.

      6% would also stop to help the animal.. but psycopaths can easily do a lot more damage than the empaths could mitigate.

      • CocaKoala on 27/12/2022 - 19:58

        a study showed 6% of people will swerve to try and kill a fake animal (snake/turtle/lizard.. google Mark Rober NASA study)

        When I thought the human race couldn't stoop any further…

  • nekro on 24/12/2022 - 13:54
    +1

    Bikies

  • [Deactivated] on 24/12/2022 - 14:23
    +2

    I previously killed birds for a living and We also used to nail them for the snake collection; a sharp knife is infinitely more humane than the CO2 (recommended by RSPCA) or the fate of maceration, also recommended by the RSCPA, used on 50% of hatched chickens.

    OP if this is your biggest issue then perhaps your haven't been reminded of catastrophic global warming and species extinction recently, or where your food comes from.

    Even Hippy Richmond Council hates them: 'The Indian Myna is recognised as one of the world’s worst feral animals … , during the breeding season the flock combs its territory for breeding hollows. If any are already occupied by possums, sugar gliders, rainbow lorikeets, corellas or any other animal species they attack them and eject them from the hollows. If there are eggs or young in the nests they throw them to the ground, the eggs are destroyed, the young killed. Should the parents attempt to defend their home and young, the Indian Mynas keep attacking in large numbers until the defenders are dead or have fled. Any Australian native bird or marsupial that requires tree hollows to live or breed is subject to Indian Myna attack during the nesting season. Any bird or animal that enters the Indian Mynas territory at other times will also be attacked. Indian Mynas do not share territory or food sources willingly. Uncounted millions of Australian native chicks and marsupial babies die from Indian Myna attacks every year. With the adult birds homeless they are unable to breed. Because the marsupials are territorial, even if they flee the attack they are unlikely to survive away from their home territory.'

    IMO the Mockingbird Media and Marxist Education System are the bigger issue creating emotionally motivated dopes.

    • chimkenstalker on 24/12/2022 - 14:52

      As a previous professional bird killer, you're probably the most qualified to answer the question of my post. I'm aware this is ethical for the native species, I'm not concerned about preserving the life of destructive invasive species. Nobody as yet has been able to confirm that it's legal to perform, or if you need some sort of license or follow some sort of administrative process if you're going to do this in your own backyard. Is this something that you have first hand knowledge about?

      • mapax on 24/12/2022 - 15:27
        -1

        I literally told you it was legal providing he is following the guidelines and another commenter posted the guidelines.

      • [Deactivated] on 24/12/2022 - 15:52

        You confuse 'ethical', 'legal' and possibly 'moral'.
        Your neighbour's conduct is none of your business and is certainly less cruel and narcissistic than keeping a parrot in a prison for 20-90 years.
        I advocate for the release of the 'cat flu' and defer to @mapax with regard to the current legal framework of which I have no interest.

        • greatlamp on 24/12/2022 - 20:07

          I'm not a fan of viral control, these flus have a habit of crossing to different species.

    • [Deactivated] on 26/12/2022 - 06:18
      -7

      There is no global warming. No climate change. They lie, manipulate, fabricate, data and fairy stories for adults. Five minutes ago in the UK they were whining about melting heat, ten minutes later they're whining about global warming while standing on the news in some historically cold snowstorm. Sea levels aren't rising either. Photos taken 100+ years apart show the same levels at the same sites. The fantasy islands that are being "washed away" are due to THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE damaging them, cutting down mangroves, letting chickens and pigs roam free who dig up native grasses and other vegetation - thus the next storm does the opposite of what it did by building the island in the first place - wash loose sand a short distance away to fall back into the sea - not the sea "rising" because nothing happens to the uninhabited islands just kms away. No polar bears are drowning. The ice levels at the poles were increasing for years while they openly lied saying the opposite was happening. EVERY SINGLE POINT in Al Gore's panic-fest "documentary" years ago has been proven false.

      As for "introduced species" … what a load of nonsense that is too. The same FOOLS who tell us all the continents were one land mass that broke up and drifted apart on tectonic plates… are the same drips now saying you can kill possums as pests in New Zealand, but you'll be gaoled if you do the same just a little to the left in Australia. i.e. If the land was all once joined, then it naturally follows all the same animals should have existed (and therefore should be found in the fossil record) on every mass of land. AND the same people routinely kneel at the altar of evolution… So let's see them put their actions where their pseudoscience lying claims are… and collect up, then spread, every insect, animal, plant, and marine species to every other continent on earth - because according to their "expert" … "science" … they should all get along just fine, right? Because they all live on one land mass before. If not, the other nonsense they lurch into (which contradicts themselves again) should rule, and only the "fittest of the species" will survive and thrive - thus we get rid of all the useless weak species.

      They can't have it both ways at the same time, chopping and changing "science" and lurching from one contradiction to the next as they please. Yet they do.

      • maxyzee on 26/12/2022 - 09:50
        +2

        Wow what did I just read? Is this actually real or a troll post?

  • Mark1159 on 24/12/2022 - 15:19

    I run over every Indian mynah I can.
    Native birds I protect and slow or drive around.

    • banana365 on 25/12/2022 - 12:50

      Are they particularly slow birds? Most birds seem to easily avoid cars, even if they do leave it scarily late to hop out of the way.

  • Mark1159 on 24/12/2022 - 15:40
    +4

    ABC report Ibis birds now stress out captured cane toads (frog releases neck toxin when stressed).

    Ibis then washes and rinses toxin off before eating

  • Japius on 24/12/2022 - 17:39

    Always kept an air rifle near the back door, for years I try and knock a couple of the mynah birds off when they’re being a nuisance

  • OBEY YOUR MASTERS on 24/12/2022 - 19:49

    You sound a bit over the top and weird yourself.

  • mrhugo on 24/12/2022 - 20:10
    +4

    Indian Minah are such a pest to local wildlife and native birds.

    No complaints from me, give the bloke an award.

  • frostman on 24/12/2022 - 21:15
    -7

    I run over every Indian mynah I can.
    Native birds I protect and slow or drive around.

    Alot of uneducated ppl on OZB, not EVERY non-native species is a pest and 'good for killing'.
    Some of our own Native Species are culled given they do more damage than good, hint: Kangaroos.

    Indian Myna's main diet are insects, removing them from the ecosystem just means a shit-load more insects around your place.
    Most Indian Myna's by adulthood are mothers going about to feed their young, killing one just means the young birds somewhere wait until death takes them, cruel.

    Tell your neighbour there are ways to protect fruit such as Nets, and various scarecrow methods.
    Even having a pet cat around will make sure 0 birds land near that area.

    There is no such thing as humanely killing a bird, all methods involve a slaughter via a knife, nothing humane there, he's not equipped with euthanising syringes.

    • banana365 on 25/12/2022 - 13:00

      Giving an example of a native animal being harmful doesn't help prove your point that some non-native animals may not be pests.

      With your example of Mynahs eating insects, do you believe that they are the only species that would do that? Invasive species that seem to be fulfilling a beneficial role have typically displaced a native species that was doing it prior to their arrival. What species did the Mynah displace? What are the knock on effects of the displacement of that species? Are they now endangered or have they themselves moved to other habitats and are creating issues for resident species there?

      • frostman on 25/12/2022 - 19:57
        -3

        With your example of Mynahs eating insects, do you believe that they are the only species that would do that?

        What a stupid question.

        Invasive species that seem to be fulfilling a beneficial role have typically displaced a native species that was doing it prior to their arrival

        What native bird did the Myna displace that was ripping insects around the suburbs?

        What are the knock on effects of the displacement of that species?

        Another incoherent and extremely vague question

        Are they now endangered or have they themselves moved to other habitats and are creating issues for resident species there?

        Please try this link ASAP: https://www.ames.net.au/learn-english

        • banana365 on 25/12/2022 - 20:18

          How odd, you seem to have avoided responding in any useful way to any of the questions and chosen to be insulting instead. Did Santa not bring you the doll you wanted?

    • SpainKing on 26/12/2022 - 02:13
      +1

      Not sure if these are semi-coherent ramblings or an attempt to troll.

      Some of our own Native Species are culled given they do more damage than good

      You believe the Indian Myna does less harm than it does good? Eating insects doesn't instantly absolve a species of it's shortcomings like bullying/killing our natives

      Whilst not as good as a captive bolt stunning gun, gassing with an undetectable gas or injected with a euthanisation agent, a knife for small animals is more appropriate than for large ones given they bleed out quite quickly. If any slaughter can be thought of as humane is an ethical question it's hard to answer as a meat eater, but with most people's limited execution toolkits it's likely the most humane method easily accessible to the wider population

      • frostman on 29/12/2022 - 13:08

        Cool - show me videos of Indian Myna's in our backyards killing Lorikeets, Rosellas, and various Parrots or maybe statistics suggesting these bird numbers are critically down as a direct result.

        "Bullying" is now a good enough evidence to kill a non-native? We kill more natives (possums, wallabies, wombats) via road kill than Indian Myna's put together.
        Your docile house cat kills more natives than Indian Mynas….
        its a stupid argument that continuously falls flat.

        • SpainKing on 29/12/2022 - 14:20

          Show me videos of the Indian Myna absolutely obliterating every insect in Australia and your backyard, because I still saw plenty this year. They're omnivores so they're competing with natives for food sources

          COVID hasn't bought human population numbers down to a critical degree but we can still recognise it as a problem that needs to be addressed. Global warming hasn't made crops ungrowable yet but does that make it a good idea to take no action until it becomes an unfixable problem?

          If someone bullied you out of your house through repeated, unrelenting physical assaults, killing your offspring in the process would you still want that someone in your society? I'd rather if we could pack them all up and take them to their natural habitat but that's not feasible

          Seeing as we're both making unsubstantiated claims I'll say the average Indian Myna kills more natives/year than an average person does in their motor vehicle/year

          My cat does not kill more natives as she's old and scared. There are many birds that come to feed in my backyard and she makes no attempt to kill them. In my 12 years of owning her she's killed a couple of rats

          I don't really understand why your argument is meant to be so smart. "Keep the Indian Myna's because, whilst they're an invasive species, they eat bugs and I think bugs are icky and would rather less of them." It's either that or "I value native wildlife less than invasive species, and would rather >2 native baby birds being slaughtered to one Indian Myna having to suffer."

          You said before that Indian Myna's are mostly mother's trying to feed their young. Our own native birds have to do the same thing, I don't think the Indian Myna is avoiding any nests because the bird is a mother with children, whereas I'm yet to hear of our natives bullying other birds out of their nests. It certainly may have happened, but not to the extent it does with the Indian Myna

    • gummibear on 27/12/2022 - 12:38

      A shit-load of insects would be a great food source for native wild life. Unfortunately the Indian Mynah's are killing our native wild life.

      • frostman on 29/12/2022 - 13:09

        Most of the birds the Indian Myna harasses and occasionally kills (the offspring) are non-insect feeders,

  • EdenKai on 24/12/2022 - 21:57
    +2

    Its perfectly legal too, its just more so that most people dont feel good doing it. This is more of a philosophical and moral issue than it is legal tbh

  • s1Lence on 25/12/2022 - 00:27

    what does he do with the corpses?

    • leiiv on 25/12/2022 - 02:32

      Deep fry is best

    • banana365 on 25/12/2022 - 13:02
      +2

      Once he has four and twenty of them, then I know of a recipe.

  • jaimex2 on 25/12/2022 - 00:41
    +1

    It's legal, its better to destroy the nests - eggs and all so you can and stop the problem at the source. Let your neighbour know.

    Stops the little idiots from attacking your windows.

    • GordonD on 26/12/2022 - 09:17

      You realise why they do that don't you?

      They are insectivores. They see little things in the air in front of them, so they try to eat them, and don't understand why their beak just bangs up against something hard. So clean your windows.

      • jaimex2 on 26/12/2022 - 16:30
        +1

        Not even close, the retards think there's a intruding bird in the reflection.

        Makes catching them easier at least as all you need is a mirror, stick and a box.

  • Ti-au on 25/12/2022 - 01:13
    -3

    Congratulations Op your neighbour is a psychopath.

    Lucky you.

  • Bargaingeek on 25/12/2022 - 07:08
    +1

    I work with all kinds of ppl due to nature of my job in security and safety, I’ll tell you this, it’s one thing for a community group to assist or do work in a controlled manner to trap and humanely euthanise, a lone person doing it themselves is messed up, a special kind of person does this, many have very sadistic traits and some can be dangerous. Most serial killers started out killing animals, not saying this guy is one, many stop at that, some just have a very sick mind.

    I would ignore most of the comments here, aussies have this sick mentality of talking about how they will happily kill this or that invasive species, but most won’t when presented with the opportunity. If you truly happily and cheerfully run over Mina birds with your car, like some commented, you are just sick and sadistic, probably need help and have serious problems with your upbringing, period.

    I suggest contacting rspca and asking for advice, give them the details and they will advise you as per the law, just for your peace of mind. It’s a grey area, depending on the intent, and methods used, which is difficult to prove unless u have evidence, it can be illegal.

    Otherwise really there is not much you can do as a citizen, I don’t suggest being friends with someone sick minded like that. I hope rspca and local council can guide you

    • [Deactivated] on 26/12/2022 - 06:49
      +1

      No, serial killers TORTURE animals, not kill feral pests - and usually, it's other people's PETS - not wild animals, because they get pleasure from it. Big difference.

      a) There's no different between killing a mouse that's a pest and killing a bird that's a pest. There's also no difference between slitting the throat of a cow or an alpaca (if you're from one of those countries who's into eating everything that moves). They're both animals, both meat.

      b) Plenty in those community groups do the same thing as individuals when they're at home. So when people do things in a group, they're more "stable" but when they do it alone they're in training to be Dexter Morgan crossed with Dr. Dolittle!? Lol!

      c) My local council rents traps out for various feral pests. The main one they regularly refer to in the local free rag is for Indian Mynas.

      So because one council is now saying, "Tsk, tsk…" people who do it in that area are trainee psychopaths, while those in my area are normal citizens just because "the rules" are different!? Even the local Kmart rents and sets up those specialized traps every few months that only catch Indian Mynas. I guess the police should investigate the Kmart manager in case he has a hidden basement in the staff kitchen. ;-p

      The local ranger has told me to trap cats and dogs that come in my yard, phone him, and he'll pick them up and either fine the owner or eventually kill them with a needle. So because it's his job he's normal? But wait… psychopaths typically focus on killing pets… and he invited me to bring him pets so he could kill them…

      I think your comment is the one that should be ignored. You started on the wrong ground and dug a hole down from there.

  • Daniel Plainview on 25/12/2022 - 09:57

    Rural person here - we've caught Indian Mynas as part of Govt program for around last 6yrs. The program provides cages, decoy birds (live Mynas in the cage that others come to investigate) and euthenasing of the birds.

    If you see how aggressive they are against native birds it's a no brainer - I've no idea why but despite being smaller and with no 'weapons' (beak,claws) they fight off cockatoos, galahs and even incredibly fiesty rainbow lorikeets for nesting spots.

    I agree that killing anything is less than ideal - but you only have to travel to metro areas and see how they compltely overrun native birds - it's almost a shock to see a magpie, Noisy Myna (native) or Honeyeater.

    My only qualm would be how he's 'humanely' euthanising them? But to be honest I'd be certain however he's doing it is likely far less stressful' than what regular chickens etc cop at commerical slaughter processes.

    I understand folsk not liking such matters - I take no pleasure when doing it - but there really are no alternatives. :-)

    • frostman on 25/12/2022 - 20:08
      -2

      Invasive is a poor term to use,
      IMO, There's Native, Non-native, and Pest.

      Unless a non-native animal is actively driving a native animal to extinction, it's mere existence shouldn't be targeted for elimination, such as Op's rertarded neighbour.
      Yes the Indian Myna's harass parrots and lorikeets, but so do Noisy Miners.
      Cats, Brumby Horses and European Honey Bees are all non-native, why dont we also consider wiping these out given they cause inconvenience to various factors of living.

      • goldiep on 25/12/2022 - 20:45
        +2

        Don't we do this already, though?

        I think it has to be about management, not waiting for almost extinction of a species prior to taking action.

      • greatlamp on 26/12/2022 - 16:40

        Even when you distinguish between non-native and pests, Indian Mynas are clearly pests. They don't do any harm to humans, they are pests primarily because they out compete native wildlife. Why do you think they deserve protection?

        • frostman on 26/12/2022 - 18:42

          House cats are also pests, they kill possums and lorikeets, far more than a indian myna harassing a cockatoo.
          Shall we all serve to start trapping and killing them (humanely)?
          This entire argument is falling flat fast…

          • greatlamp on 26/12/2022 - 19:32

            @frostman: So now you support protecting the native ecosystem?

            What is your argument? Are you just trolling?

            Newsflash - we already trap and kill cats.

            • frostman on 26/12/2022 - 20:03

              @greatlamp: Given you've missed the point, i'll rephrase….

              there are many other non-native species of animals within our backyards that cause more harm to native's than indian myna's, so my question is, given the majority of the responses here support the randomised killing of these indian myna's, shall we all start killing stray cats?

              • greatlamp on 26/12/2022 - 20:55

                @frostman: Yes. You seem to be implying that people would be too squeamish to advocate killing 'pet' species.

                I didn't miss the point. You are just being contrarian for your own entertainment. As I said above

                we already trap and kill cats.

                If you read any of the links posted by others, Indian Mynas cause more damage to the ecosystem than cats

  • Barrj46 on 25/12/2022 - 13:18
    +1

    https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/04/08/2044900.h…

    The common Indian myna bird is fast becoming Australia's number one feral enemy!

  • Aussar on 25/12/2022 - 13:27
    -2

    Just catch and euthanize your neighbour. Doing the same thing, getting rid of an invasive species.

  • El cheepo on 25/12/2022 - 15:31

    Maybe he was inspired by Bryce Courtney’s book, Mathew flinders cat. 😬

    (the main characters daily hobby was bumping off those birds)

  • DrRalph on 25/12/2022 - 20:10
    +2

    You should be thanking your neighbour.

  • Jhonka on 25/12/2022 - 22:56
    +1

    Some councils used to provide CO2 to gas them after trapping.

    • alo1234 on 25/12/2022 - 23:10
      +1

      Wouldn't leaving them in the garage with your car turned on be alot faster than waiting for the council?

      • foursaken on 26/12/2022 - 08:14

        Try turning the car on, birds in a bag - put it over the exhaust, 10 seconds, done.

      • GordonD on 26/12/2022 - 09:21

        alo1234, think one step ahead. How do you get back into the garage yourself to turn the car engine off?

  • foursaken on 26/12/2022 - 08:13

    Here in ACT a group of blokes got serious about reducing the Indian Mynah population and released info on how to trap them. Once trapped, you took them to the RSPCA for disposal.

    I euthanise my PET birds in probably the same way this guy is doing it - car exhaust. Takes seconds. WAY less stressful than a trip to the vet and a needle. I obviously have no problem with this method.

  • GordonD on 26/12/2022 - 09:36
    +3

    There's a lot of people posting here that anyone who can kill an animal is a psychopath.

    Killing animals is how the human race has fed itself and survived for the last couple of hundred thousand years. Like most things we used to do it ourselves. I'm old enough that when I was young and we wanted a chicken dinner, we didn't go to the supermarket, there wasn't one, we went down to the chook yard with a tomahawk. Like most things these days we get other people to do it for us. And a certain set of views has developed that only strange weird people can do it. Do you have to be that sort of person to be a farmer? An abattoir worker? A chicken factory process worker? An RSPCA worker? A vet? (Vets are the ones I pity. They choose their occupation because they love animals, and all too much of their job is euthenasing them.)

    No, its people who can't kill something when its appropriate and necessary who are strange and weird. Hindus excepted, normal people can do it. The difference between the strange and weird ones and the normal ones is whether they like doing it.

    If you think an animal is a pest, have the courage to kill it yourself. Humanely of course. Don't leave it to the poor vet to have to do it for you because you are too squeamish to. That said, its a good idea to keep an eye on the people that might be a bit too enthusiastic about wanting to do it. I don't think someone is a worry if they only do it to the likes of Indian Mynahs that are pests not just to us humans but also other species.

  • iseeyou1312 on 26/12/2022 - 12:09

    What is it with all these non-vegans/vegetarians having a big sook when someone kills an animal? Where do you think the meat you eat comes from Einstein?

  • raiseyoursteaks on 26/12/2022 - 12:39

    My neighbour is trapping and killing fox by shooting them. Is it OK? Victoria metro.

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