For those that missed out on this deal, https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/735034 posted by @bamzero, Bunnings look to have price matched.
It looks like special order only but I have just ordered and expect it to be in store 14-17 Nov.
You can pay delivery and that was $10 but I'm 5 mins away from a store so I will keep the $10 and buy some Amazon gift cards 🙂.
No idea how long this price will remain.
What if you have a house where there are multiple burglar friendly exits? E.g., rear door to backyard & then down side of house, through garage, etc… are people actually deadlocking these exits too? Asking for a friend :/
Yes! Wouldn’t you deadlock any exit? I’ve just shopped for insurance and they all ask:
Are all external doors fitted with deadlock?
Are all windows fitted with locks?
Your question makes it sound like that would be a nuisance or expensive. You don't need a smart lock on every door. You could have one smart lock and normal deadlocks on any other door.
I have 2 external doors. Both have Lockwood 001's. These only have key access outside, but a knob (and keyhole) inside. If it's not deadlocked, it can be opened from inside just with the knob, but if you deadlock it, you need the key to open it inside. YOU ONLY DEADLOCK IT WHEN NO-ONE IS HOME. Simple, if you're leaving home, for that extra bit of security just lock it from the inside before closing the door.
Isn't that argument moot if you get a wifi version, which can notify you of an entry point being accessed when nobodies home, which then enables you to re-lock &/or react & call authorities etc?
First you're assuming you'll see the notification when it happens. I've been burgled during a power cut (internet may be down). Or you may be out of phone range (flying, camping in a remote area). Then you're relying on prompt response to your notifying the police.
Yes, you can relook, maybe even speak to any burglars over your google Home or Alexa, but why make it easier? If there are options that do properly deadlock, why wouldn't you get that rather one that can be opened?
I've seen one that is what I'm talking about (a proper deadlock), but it wasn't wifi enabled, just a digital lock (Lockwood 001 Touch). I'm sure there must be some. I'll have a look today.
It's surprising how many don't show the inside on the websites so you can see if it can be opened from inside.
You don't deadlock your door when you're home?
I don't live in a bad area but I deadbolt when I am at home for security regardless. Why wouldn't you? As I understand, most crimes are crimes of opportunity so if you door is able to be opened from outside, you're just inviting burglars.
Lockwood 001 (I use that as an example because I have them and know how they work).
Not deadlocked - needs a key from outside, but just the knob inside (so good in an emergency like a fire).
Deadlocked - needs a key from either side (good to prevent burglars opening the door to take out big stuff).
The key word is 'deadlocked'. That is not the same as 'locked'.
"you don't deadlock it when home."
You don't deadlock your doors when you go to bed at night? A surprising amount of burglaries happen at night while the occupants are asleep.
Are you understanding what 'deadlocked' means? Read my comment above about it. They are locked, but not deadlocked.
I know what deadlocked means.
What I don't really understand is why you would advocate for a 'proper' deadlock but then go on to say that you don't even use it at night, which is a high risk time for burglaries.
IMO having a deadlock that you leave unlocked at night is far more of a security risk than having a lock like this that can be unlocked from the inside.
@Timm: So do you think when I'm home I leave my doors in a state that anyone can just open it from outside with no keys? Like 1950's style 'we never lock our doors'?
Or is it that I don't deadlock when I'm home? If it's that, it's because my house is small and I'll hear any burglar trying to get in. I also want the 'exit without a key' option in case of fire. I have 2 doors. 1 remains deadlocked unless I'm using the door. The other is not deadlocked at night when I'm home.
If I'm home and the door is closed, it's in exactly the same state the lock in this post is (when that one is locked) - you need a key from outside, or you can turn the knob from inside (so if there's a fire and the key can't be found, I can get out).
The difference between the two types of locks is if I go away from home then I turn the key inside to DEADLOCK it (then close the door). This means a key is needed from either side to open the door. That is better security for unoccupied premises.
@Timm: You have to weigh-up "security risk" versus "safety risk". If there is a fire at night, smoke can fill up a house very quickly and your keys could be in the room where the fire started (kitchen is likely for both keys and fires). If you can't get to the keys, you can't get out of the house and people have died for this reason. Most state fire & rescue organisations suggest not locking a deadlock when you're home.
I personally think the risk of dying in a house fire is higher than a robber breaking into my house and that leading to death. Stuff can be replaced but people can't.
@dischucker: That's exactly why IMO a lock like this that can be opened from the inside without a key is better than a traditional deadlock.
@dischucker: https://www.theage.com.au/national/deadlock-creates-fire-dea…
"A deadlocked front door also prevented the escape of a man from a fire in a Coburg North house on December 29.
Roland Nicholson, 53, rang emergency services to say he was trapped in his Sydney Road property and couldn't get out.
When firefighters arrived, he was unconscious on the floor just metres from his deadlocked front door. He died later in hospital."
That's sad :(
That's not a flaw of this lock. That's a flaw of how doors work. Which is pretty hard to fix without making doors into walls.
I'll bet few burglaries involve large and awkward objects. Certainly round here they're just after small portable items. Easier to run down an alley with cash than a sofa.
There's no way one of these locks makes your house more, or less, secure. A quick kick on any number of other entry points is all that's needed. If someone wants in, they're getting in.
No. It's a difference between a lock and a deadlock. Fixed by selecting the correct one.
Why is it that everyone assumes the way they think of a burglary is the way they all must happen? Not everyone lives in areas with alleys. Yes, some are quick smash and grabs, but there must be some where they can take their time and steal whatever they want. Quiet rural areas. Or busy city areas where a truck being loaded with possessions wouldn't look odd. I would think a big screen TV is a desirable thing to steal. Of course you can only get it out a door and you need transport.
A proper deadlock makes it harder, not impossible. I'm suggesting you make it as hard as possible (short of bars on windows).
How about we start a site called OzBurglars and all of you can list your addresses and the type of security you have?
@hotphil: That whole article should start with 'Generally' or 'Most'. Yes maybe in most cases it's true, but there's always the exception. I was burgled and they took their time and pinched my wheelbarrow to cart off what they took.
It does say they want to get in and out quickly. So if the door can't be opened from inside that will slow them down. Why would you want to make things easier for them? Only maybe if you are at home at the time and you want them out.
If you look at the stats for theft these days you'll find the comment you responded to is mostly correct. Burglars target small, easy to grab things like car keys, portable electronics, jewellery and cash/credit cards.
Thieves pulling up in a truck and clearing out an entire house isn't really the way it's done now (obviously it still does happen but not to the same extent that it used to). Plasma TVs aren't the number 1 item for theft these days.
@Timm: Again you're looking at what happens in 'most' cases (if you're right). However even if that's right, why make it even easier for them by allowing them an easy exit?
Using that logic why even lock your doors at all? Just let them in and out at will. Benefit is no damage to the building. They'll still just rush in and take the small easy stuff. Why are you people buying locks at all?
Tiled roof and thats another reasonably quiet entry point. Agree most would be after quick grab stuff they can flog easily.
No point lugging that flat screen TV through the neighbourhood when you'd get next to nothing for it anyway being so cheap these days.
However if there's a car in the garage and they find the keys, maybe they'll load up some bigger stuff and take the car with it.
I'm not a burglar but if I were one I'd look for items that has high value and easy to carry and most likely will exit from where I enter as quickly as possible.
What are the stats for burglars stealing large awkward objects from the house?
Again you're thinking of how it would happen where you live, how you'd do it in a typical situation. Just that one scenario.
Even if you accept the idea that they only ever take small high value things, don't you think there could be a situation where they get in by window (possibly not an easy one to get back through), but choose to exit by a nice big door as they have arms full off goodies? So again - WHY MAKE IT EASIER by installing a lock that can't actually be properly locked?
Oh and I've been burgled - they took their time, rifled through my credit card statements, had a smoke while doing it (ash on the seat), amongst other things took a big awkward CRT TV (this was quite a while ago) they could only have got out by door (before I had good locks) and carried it all off in my wheelbarrow. None of that would have been prevented by the lock in this post, but would have been a lot harder with a 'proper deadlock' (they would have had to break bits of the house).
WHY MAKE IT EASIER
I make it easier for convenience reasons
99.99% of the time I don't need deadlock. Deadlock is not deterent. It only play its part once you got burgled - not before.
99.99% of the time it's me that uses the door. I like to optimize the use for the majority - not Just that one scenario where you got burgled.
@Indomietable: So leave your door open- super convenient.
You don’t lose convenience by deadlocking. So much wrong with your point I don’t know where to start.
You don’t lose convenience by deadlocking
My understanding of deadlock is that it can only open with key when its in deadlock mode.
You have to remember to set deadlock mode when you leave the house and to unset when you arrive or else you have use key to unlock it.
To me this is an inconvenience - am I missing something here?
So much wrong with your point
There is always a convenience and usability trade-off that comes with security. What is wrong with this point?
The idea with home security is to deter would-be thief since preventing it would be
@Indomietable: 99.99% of the time you won't need to lock your door. Probably don't even need to close it. We're talking about the slight chance of being burgled. Proper deadlocking is a deterrent to them taking more stuff.
'You don’t lose convenience by deadlocking' I guess I was talking about the main door.
Conventional deadlock (Lockwood 001)
There is a process for deadlocking when you leave (just turn the key inside the door before you leave - big deal), otherwise it's just plain ol' locked.
Yes, you use the key to open it if deadlocked. Since you'd be opening your main entry door from outside, this is fine - and THE SAME as opening it if it wasn't deadlocked, as simply closing the door means you need a key to get back in (unless you push the latch in, which disables the lock). You are simply using the key to open the door. If you're inside you won't have deadlocked that door (at least I don't for my main door).
There is a slight inconvenience for unlocking other doors (not the main one. Let's call them secondary) from inside. If you leave it deadlocked when not using it, it is a minor pain to have to get the key to open it (from inside). To get around that you could undeadlock all doors when home (if you could remember to deadlock them all when you leave). That really depends how much you use those doors, how many you have and how good you are at remembering to lock up.
In my case the back door is my main one, so I leave it not deadlocked when home. The front door is only used for deliveries and if I'm working out the front of the house. That's when I undeadlock it.
Digital deadlock would be the same except the 'key' might be code, fingerprint, fob or key.
Basically with a proper deadlock you can use it like the lock posted here (which is the same as the vast majority of smart or digital locks), BUT you have the option of properly deadlocking it so it can't be opened from inside. To me that is added security and great if you aren't home. It's an optional feature you don't need to use if it's inconvenient, BUT YOU CAN. I might not deadlock it if I just pop out to the shop, but for overnight or longer I definitely like it.
My ideal smart lock would be more easily deadlocked and undeadlocked, either by fingerprint, code, bluetooth or voice, and possibly do all locks when I got home.
@wfdTamar: I think I get your point.
Thinking from an insurance perspective will insurance deny your claim because you used this lock which is still a deadlock but can be unlocked from the inside if you say you have deadlock?
Would they deny your claim if you got robbed while at home (maybe working in the backyard) in your situation where you locked the door but did not engage the deadlock?
@fufufu: First point - that’s what I’d be worried about. It would come down to how they define a deadlock. It might separate the good insurance companies from the bad. I’d also be worried if I had irreplaceable stuff (quite apart from insurance).
Second point - I can’t see any insurance company denying a claim in that situation. Maybe if you were not at home at all (not in the yard either).
It’s really something that needs to be cleared up with insurance as well as a personal decision of how much security and risk you’re prepared to take.
I think windows are a real weak point and as I don’t have big ones, or many into the part of the house that contains valuables, I’m considering either roller shutters or making timber ones. Also would help with noise and temperature insulation.
Easiest way out a house with bulky objects, which is unlikely these days, it's not the 80's and your stereo and tv aren't sought after, if through the garage.
Open the usually unlocked garage to house door, or easily break it since it's usually a $10 lock/handle combo, then press the garage door button on the motor housing, which 99% of them have. Many people make it easier by fixing a door opener to the wall somewhere, which is silly for obvious reasons.
But I'm with you, I dead lock my three entries and my garage is separated by a secure door with a decent physical lock. These locks are convenient for entry by people you know and trust that don't have keys, a feature I don't need/want.
Again though, you're assuming that all burglaries follow the same pattern and all houses are the same. Why do you assume that everyone has an attached garage? Even if they do, surely you'd put a decent lock on that door too (as you have)? Yes a lot of people wouldn't, but this whole post is about increasing your security.
All I'm saying is if you want the best option, this lock isn't it. Insurance companies agree with me and they set the premiums.
I'm just playing devil's advocate, insurance companies have data I don't, they'll tell you the most common scenarios and that's why they value (or don't) certain types of locking solutions.
@[Deactivated]: Yes, they ask if you have locks. If you do you pay less.
There's also the issue of how much stuff do you want to lose. In some cases you get a new version of what you lost so that's great, but some things may not be replicable or they won't cover the replacement amount. Or it may be a sentimental value thing.
What if you accidentally deadlock it while you're at home
I'm only talking Lockwood 001 here:
It is a right sod if you deadlock it, then close the door AND don't have a key on you. I've had to break a window 2 or 3 times over the years to get back in having done that. Now I keep a key stashed outside just in case.
In fact I tried an Ultraloq smart lock which was rubbish, so now I just put my Lockwood 001 key in a basic combination key safe next to the back door. That way anyone with the code can get in to check my house if I'm away. I always look to see if the key is in it before I close the door.
I suppose in theory you could deadlock yourself inside by deadlocking, leaving the key outside, then closing the door. A problem if you don't keep a spare in the house or have another way out. Maybe phone a friend to come and let you out (how embarrassment)?
However we're talking about what features you'd want in a smart lock (not conventional lock), so in that case you'd have options to open it from outside (fingerprint or code at least, which don't rely on hardware like phone or fob). From inside I would think similar ways maybe even from any internet device which had the lock app on it?
Do you have this one..
https://www.lockweb.com.au/au/en/products/keyless-entry/001t…
I think I'll get this for my front door
@x x: No when I talk of the Lockwood 001 I mean the dumb lock - old style - that works with a key.
I did see that Touch version and thought expensive for what it is, but if it was good might be worth it. However I found enough bad reviews here that put me off it
https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/lockwood-001-touch
@x x: Pretty sure I'm getting the Level one I posted down below. You can use your own type of lock so I can fit a key lock each side, but still have all the benefits of a smart lock and the smarts are all inside the door (unless you get the optional keypad for outside. Either from Amazon US or AU
reckon this would work on a colourbond gate?
Can't see why it wouldn't, if you can put a normal privacy handle than this shouldn't be an issue. Bunnings have just as good (if not better) return policy as Amazon, if not applicable just return it.
Bunnings return policy pissed me off a while back. Went to buy a child safety gate. Box of the first one on the shelf looked a bit knackered so I took maybe the third one back. Unpacked it at home, it had clearly been used and the fittings were in a sandwich bag with a note saying "Ben's room gate".
Clearly someone had bought it, kept the box, used it for however long and then taken it back. Then Bunnings just put it back out for sale.
Maybe the kid got old enough they didn't need it anymore.
I'd rather they kept returns easy as that's one thing I really like about them. Does mean risking what you copped. You almost need to unpack and check everything in store (then they think you're pinching bits).
If it has a mounting point for a lock, but it's even easier to open, they just need to jump the gate!
Anyone have information on how much room you need above (or below) the actual lock mechanism. It looks to be be roughly central to the device
Some rough measurements from mine, from centre of hole - back needs about 135mm above, 70mm below. Front 120mm above, 40mm below.
Is it that large? 135+70, means it's at least 20cm? From the center of our bolt I've only got 7cm to play with above, so looks far too big
So far the best thing I've found is the Lockwood 001 Touch which is a digital version of the 001 (code, card or fob unlock). No smart features though. Around $400! (some bad reviews on ProductReview though)
https://www.lockweb.com.au/au/en/products/keyless-entry/001t…
Or this which I wouldn't trust (being a cheapo chinese one), but it has the desired features as well as being ok for outdoors (they reckon). $129 dumb, $172 smart. Another thing I don't like about it is it's a bolt rather than a latch (you can't just push it shut to lock it).
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004105382833.html?pdp_np…
Can't unlock with Apple Watch
Can be opened without a key from inside - thief friendly
No deal
How long it’s batteries lasts?
They say a year, but are normally a little optimistic.
Aside from what people think of doors and locks and all the usual blah blah, this is a very good deal. I just paid $400 for this.
@jollster101: I was so happy that I missed the Amazon deal and saved the money. But you ruined it, and now I have no money left.
Always happy to help.
Missed out on the Amazon deal yesterday but got one today. Thanks for posting OP!
Price matched at JB thanks
thanks price matched with jb as i had giftcards
Tried the JB online chat to get a match but the guy named Jett was being ridiculous and asked for $5 more at $291 since Bunnings stock needs to wait. But he was “happy” to match if I were to take an “extracare” for additional $42.
Such an idiot
yea seems to depend on the person you chat. some wouldnt even price match bunnings as its considered special order..
Sounds like he was trying to make a little extra commission…
Found this which looks pretty good. Combined with the hardware of your choice. Just need to check if it would lock by itself if you forget to do it and can you choose to leave it unlocked so you could just use the door handle if you wanted to go in & out a lot. You could also install a seperate door handle lever for use in that case. About A$330 delivered.
https://www.amazon.com/Level-Lock-Bolt-Edition/dp/B086VQ37W4…
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Can anyone upload a receipt from bunnings on this price?
I'll just insert the usual comment that this (and a lot of smart locks) has a security flaw which your insurance company may not like and means you could lose more stuff if burgled. It can be opened from inside. Burglar gets in via another entry (or if the door has glass breaks it and reaches in), then unlocks the door to enable easy removal of large and awkward objects from the house.
There are some that can't be unlocked from inside. Now people usually say 'who wants a door you can't unlock from inside? What if there's a fire?' Answer - you don't deadlock it when home. Only when you're away!