What's The One Biggest Thing Keeping You from Going to an iPhone?

O15 on 19/09/2022 - 14:09
Last edited 19/09/2022 - 18:08

Obviously this is a question for those folk with an Android phone (and those still desperately clinging to a Windows phone?).

Years ago, Android had many objective benefits over iPhone and I didn't really like anything iOS or iPhone related.

These days, the current iPhone design (12, 13 & 14) is by far my favourite design of any current phone, iOS has almost completely closed the feature gap and iPhones cameras are fantastic.

However, the one thing which I appreciate too much to give up is how easy it is to connect my phone to any Windows PC and transfer files to and from it.
I don't have to f around with iTunes or any other third party program. Just plug in and do what I need to do.

On the flip side, when someone brings me their iPhone and asks for help getting photos or a video off of it, my day is instantly ruined.
Plug it into a Windows PC and you have to figure out the arbitrary folder structure to find photos. Oh and you're sure as hell not going to copy files to the iPhone this way.
Even if I connect the iPhone to a Mac, sometimes the Photos app just doesn't want to do it. I've had it show some photos but not all with no apparent explanation as to what's happening.

As long as this remains the case, I will never buy myself an iPhone.

Does this bother anyone else? Do you have other reasons?

Mobile Apple Mobile Phone

Comments

    • Quantumcat on 19/09/2022 - 21:52
      +1

      The new Now Playing function on google phones is something I didn't think I needed but as a music fan I love it. I can just look at my phone to see what song is being played nearby.
      I can go out to a party or function, it will save a list of all the songs or recognises and I can add them in bulk to a list for future use. Amazing.

      That's super creepy. It means your phone is always listening to you.

      • Herbse on 19/09/2022 - 22:34
        +2

        All phones are these days

        • Quantumcat on 19/09/2022 - 22:48
          +1

          iPhones aren't. There's no way an app could get access to the microphone when it isn't open

          • Herbse on 19/09/2022 - 23:09
            +5

            @Quantumcat: How does hey siri work?

            • Quantumcat on 19/09/2022 - 23:50
              -4

              @Herbse: Good point. But that is only one thing and it is under full control by Apple, not any third party software. (Hopefully) the privacy policy says they don't sell data collected this way (if it did we would hear about it via the media)

              • ozbargainer88 on 20/09/2022 - 08:39
                +3

                @Quantumcat: Now playing is a Google feature not third party so it is exactly the same and entirely optional.

              • Hahuh on 23/09/2022 - 23:44

                @Quantumcat: Remember when apple said no one was listening to Siri queries but we found out to be a lie as they employ 3rd parties to assess a subsequent of queries? I mean they all do, but like their "non throttling" battery thing— they do a lot behind the scenes without people knowing.

                How could we? The os isn't open source. People just blindly BELIEVE they aren't doing these things and love to give them a free pass cause it's just apple.

                On a side note. The anti encryption bill in the country you live in is more "creepy".

      • caitsith01 on 20/09/2022 - 16:18
        +1

        That's super creepy. It means your phone is always listening to you.

        This is definitely not a default feature of Google phones. If you set up the privacy settings to your liking this definitely does not happen.

    • SydStrand on 19/09/2022 - 22:24
      +3

      1. Not relevant anymore. Android and iOS pretty much have Google apps parity. In fact, Google often rolls experimental features on their iOS apps first, like Reading List or editing Photos metadata

      2. Available on iOS Chrome. Along with Bitwarden and all the rest. Not Android exclusive

      3. This was available on iOS same as Android. But free unlimited storage for both platform apps ended in June 2021

      4. I'll give you this one. If you're one of the dozens of people who download torrents using your phone, iPhone isn't for you

      5. You absolutely can do this with iPhone

      6. That's a knock against Siri, not iOS. Google Assistant is available on iPhone

      7. Always on has been rolled out for 14 series. Overdue, yes, but it's there

      8. Valid point, but it's looking pretty lonely at this stage

      • caitsith01 on 20/09/2022 - 16:21
        +2

        Genuine question, can you run Google apps on an iPhone so that it's effectively a 'Google phone'? It's all very well to say that Apple has 'Google apps parity' but the beauty of an Android phone is that all of that works seamlessly together without any (obvious) specific app being used. A combination of Assistant, Home and the Google Launcher mean that the experience is effectively that the phone 'just works' (ahem) seamlessly across whatever Google services are relevant.

        What I mean is… I rarely open a particular "app" to use Google features. Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Home, etc etc are all integrated into the hardware in such a way that they provide services as I need them or as I ask the phone to do stuff, get notifications, or context requires it.

        • SydStrand on 20/09/2022 - 18:40

          You can change defaults in iOS so yes, Gmail becomes your default email app, links in Gmail open in Chrome or YouTube, etc. I use Google services almost across the board, and the only thing that still annoys me, is the inability to set Assistant to the hardware button shortcut instead of Siri. You can get close by setting a Google Assistant button widget, but it's a little less convenient.

  • mousie on 19/09/2022 - 18:53

    Flud, BubbleUPnP, Usb C, Cost

    EOL Androids they discount really sharply for new handsets.

    Been Android Since MotoBlur .. favorite handset relative to cost was Hauwei P9.

    I dont rate pixels for build quality and battery. Sammy note 10+ but looking at options.

    Like the Spen and had a few notes. s22 ultra is poor value atm.

    • askbargain on 19/09/2022 - 20:26
      +1

      no way you seed on a phone

      • TheRealCJ on 23/09/2022 - 11:58
        +1

        I do, when I go to bed and put my phone on charge I seed.

        • mousie on 24/09/2022 - 12:44

          as do i

  • Pidapipo on 19/09/2022 - 19:12
    +2

    Last time I checked, I just plugged the iPhone in a Windows laptop, a new drive popped up, and I copied the photos or videos from there. The files are placed in folders the same way photos in SD card from a camera work so it’s nothing new. Haven’t opened iTunes in ages.

    Admittedly transferring files to an iPhones is not that straight forward but it’s a less common scenario.

    • paloverde88 on 19/09/2022 - 20:41
      +1

      Yes and ditto hadn't used itunes since the dark ages. What is itunes? Isnt it for ipod?

    • Hahuh on 23/09/2022 - 23:25

      You've always had read access from IPhone to windows.

      As always, it's half baked when it comes to apple.

  • plmko on 19/09/2022 - 19:14
    +4

    Xperia for me. If you know you know.

    • CrispyChrispy on 19/09/2022 - 20:36

      Still got a 2013 Sony Xperia Z that works lol. Battery life is at most 2 and a half hours probably, though I just keep it as a bedside alarm nowadays. Cameras are suprisingly good, even for today's standards, so is the 1080p screen. I'm impressed the phone is even still running after nearly 10 years of life. It's seen it's fair share of drops on it's back and front, and all there is is a few scuff marks or two. Nova Launcher has helped keep the UI fresh and modern for the most part.

      It was my daily driver for a few months 1 or 2 years back when I was finding a new phone and the Sony would overheat after ~30mins of relatively light but continous usage (web browsing, YouTube) and then the phone would reboot lol.

      Still though, 10 years and the phone's still largely functional? Props to Sony.

    • O15 on 19/09/2022 - 21:23

      I feel Sony lost their way some time ago and they don't really know what direction they want to go.
      Z3 Compact was my favourite phone I owned and the ZR before that was also excellent.
      Then started doing stupid and unnecessary things and I stopped buying them.
      Their current tall aspect ratio (vertical) just doesn't make sense to me. Their doing this to make for a more cinematic experience for watching movies on a phone?? Seriously? What dummy is trying to get a cinematic movie experience on their tiny phone screen.
      It's makes almost everything worse. Text pages looks worse whether the phone is portrait or landscape.
      Most Youtube creators are (rightly) using 16:9 and their videos do not fill the screen.
      And photos… WTF. On phones which are suppose to be geared towards photography, viewing photos looks ridiculous on a 21:9 screen.
      As for the whole photography focussed nonsense, I don't get who this is marketing is for.
      A pro/hobby photographer is not going to want to faff around with a tiny touch screen when they're used to having every control on a physical button and your average pleb isn't going to understand or want to understand what all of the manual settings do.

    • Ghost47 on 19/09/2022 - 22:40

      The Xperia 1 III or whatever released last year seemed like a pretty cool phone, just needs iOS on it.

    • bazingaa on 20/09/2022 - 05:02

      My first smart phone was a Xperia X8, then a Xperia Live and I was tinkering a lot with the kernel and learned a lot, and the last was a Xperia V as I could not afford the later ones. I wish Xperia 1 iv was a little cheaper

    • dirtybigbjelke on 20/09/2022 - 10:20

      If they were still selling Sony Xperia in Australia I would still be buying them for sure. The 5G and VoLTE issues stop me grey marketing one though :(

  • Alpine58 on 19/09/2022 - 19:53
    +2

    Dual Sim + Price.

  • michaelTito on 19/09/2022 - 19:57
    +1

    I like my text green

  • FlyingMiffy on 19/09/2022 - 20:18
    +4

    Buying an iPhone is like subscribing to an ecosystem, from multimedia, to the car, to the home, to work and everything in between. Compatibility is an issue and so is the cost of "switching" over. While the marketing will say iOS is intuitive… it is not. And in principle, would never buy into a product set where its objective is to create enough stickiness that you cant leave… and then there is the fanboi behaviour… would never want to be associated with that.

    • FireRunner on 19/09/2022 - 22:46
      +5

      They certainly encourage you to buy more into their ecosystem but it’s entirely possible to just use a single Apple product. The only Apple product I have is an iPhone 8 Plus. I did own an iPad but didn’t use it much so ended up selling
      As for the fanbois, pretty much every major system has a fanboi following. Xbox vs Sony, Apple vs Android, Linux vs Windows. The extremes of each group are just as bad as each other but they’re just a noisy minority. The majority users have preference in the brand they buy but won’t care if someone chooses a different

    • Nillionaire on 20/09/2022 - 12:04

      and then there is the fanboi behaviour… would never want to be associated with that

      As opposed to fanboi behavior of other brands?

      • TheRealCJ on 23/09/2022 - 12:05
        +1

        Sorry, but Apple fanboys are the worst I've encountered outside of things like Star Wars and Comic Books.

        It got to the point where whenever my macbook or iPad has had problems, I dread trying to find solutions because my usual go to method would be to join or find a forum or reddit, post my problem, and have a few people empathise and a help me find solutions.

        When I tried that with my ipad pro, I got one helpful person, and then like 20+ replies telling me that they have no problems, I'm personally doing something wrong and that I should learn to use my ipad better, stop whining and being a hater, etc.

        I recently got a macbook pro, and decided to post some first impressions, both good and bad. Because it wasn't overwhelmingly positive it was bombarded with so many hate replies that the forum mods had to lock the thread before I gave up and deleted it entirely. Or like when I lamented the lack of three-finger middle click, I got sent the same third party app (which costs a subscription to use!) to add the functionality. They'd rather tell me pay 50 bucks a year for the entire life of the computer than admit Apple is missing pretty standard features.

        If I was to go into a Samsung forum and post my honest opinions on my Flip 4, I'd probably get some push back, but not to the extent I've gotten from Apple fans.

        Do me a favour, next time you see someone criticise an iPhone feature or bug, count how many replies are along the lines of "BUT SAMSUNG-" despite nobody actually mentioning Samsung. Whataboutism seems to be a beloved tactic amongst Apple defenders.

        They are genuinely the most toxic tech brand fandom, and I await the dozen+ downvotes to this which I know will happen because I criticised Apple fans.

        • Hahuh on 23/09/2022 - 23:29

          I understand what you mean by people say they have no problems.

          "The Mac's missing the transfer speed dialogue box".
          "Why would you need that, why do you need to know how fast things are transfering?"

          But Ive met a lot of annoying android users on the web outside of apple dominated spaces that are arguably worse. Just happy that the day-to-day happenings of the internet isn't a reflection of real life (or maybe it is. A majority of those people are Americans).

  • Some Human on 19/09/2022 - 20:19

    Because I have owned one before.

  • Stinge Master on 19/09/2022 - 20:35
    +3

    Lack of value for the money paid

  • paloverde88 on 19/09/2022 - 20:39
    +2

    The one best thing about iphone?

    The ridiculously long lasting battery

    • mousie on 19/09/2022 - 20:46
      +1

      some sex toys have the same claim. doesnt make them the best tool for the job

      • paloverde88 on 19/09/2022 - 22:59
        +1

        I think it was not battery life sex toys were referring when they say long.

  • MKBHD on 19/09/2022 - 20:52
    +3

    Keyboard. I hate typing on iPhone. I used Nexus/Pixel phones and loved goofle keyboard. After a disastrous Pixel 6 Pro experience, I sold it for a flip 3 with Google keyboard. Right now I am trialing an iPhone 11 pro on my wife's request and I like the size, smoothness, I hate the keyboard. I downloaded Google keyboard, still hate it.

    • TheRealCJ on 23/09/2022 - 12:08
      +1

      Oh god I hate the iOS keyboard. The problem is unlike Android you can't install a fully customisable keyboard, because it seems like there's rules around how iOS 3rd party keyboards work, which is to say they all work like the iOS keyboard when it comes to symbols and the like.

  • [Deactivated] on 19/09/2022 - 20:59

    Spyware. I don't want my photos to be indexed and uploaded without me initiating it and I don't want full backup of my phone to be stored in Ze Cloud. Also I don't want some company dictating me which apps I should and should not be using.

    Apple pretends they value privacy but in reality not any better than Google in that regard.

    • Quantumcat on 19/09/2022 - 21:57
      +1

      Spyware

      That's a reason to use Apple devices. Android phones are so easily hackable. If you don't update them the very moment a new update is available you're very vulnerable. If you leave it several months there is a really good chance you have malware on your phone.

      • CrispyChrispy on 19/09/2022 - 22:10
        +1

        If you leave it several months there is a really good chance you have malware on your phone.

        Can you elaborate on this? If you're not accessing any fishy links or downloading anything weird, I wouldn't imagine you would end up with malware on the phone. Sure, if you're downloading torrents, modded APKs or opening fishy emails, then yes, but most don't do any of these.

        • Quantumcat on 19/09/2022 - 22:34

          There are hackers trying to discover vulnerabilities, when they find one, they can only use it in malware for a short time until a malware researcher discovers it. They report it to the software vendor who either release it in their next update or as an emergency patch if it is something serious. Vulnerabilities get recorded as CVEs eventually (after they're patched) which anyone can read online. That means loads of people now know about it and dozens of different malwares get written by different people and inserted in all the places you can imagine and more. If you don't update your phone the moment an update is released, you are vulnerable to the malware that thousands of people now know about that can exploit your unupdated phone. Even if you stay updated you can still fall victim to exploits that are still private and the software vendors don't yet know about, but that is very rare, they are usually saved to be used against targeted people since every time it is used the chances of a researcher discovering it and it getting patched are increased.

          Apple locks stuff down at a hardware level, and they are diligent at patching things very very quickly after a new vulnerability comes to light. They also pay people pretty well if they discover a vulnerability and report it directly to Apple, instead of selling it to a malware writer. Old phones still receive updates so they aren't vulnerable, even if they can't use the latest ios Apple will still release newer versions of the old ios versions to keep old phones safe still. It's why there are so few ways to jailbreak iPhones and they usually only work on phones several generations old. Compared to Android where getting root access is probably as easy as putting a file on your phone and opening it (I have never done it I am just guessing).
          With Android, there's very little locking down at the hardware level (as there are so many made by different companies, and they are usually designed to be cheap phones so they don't waste their time implementing stuff like that), and there are so many versions of Android that it means there are so many different vulnerabilities out there to find, as opposed to the single current iOS version. And the companies in charge just don't care about it as much as that's not what their reputation is based on. I don't know details but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a significant amount of time between when a vulnerability is discovered to when a patch is available, giving malware writers all that extra time to compromise more devices. Even if a CVE isn't created right away, it can become "public" by being shared around forums and Whatsapp groups etc.

          • [Deactivated] on 20/09/2022 - 04:09
            +4

            @Quantumcat: You're making it sound like if you don't install security update right the moment it it released two moments later your phone will be hacked and all you precious pictures stolen. That's most certainly not the case. In fact, that's quite rare.

            • Quantumcat on 20/09/2022 - 08:26
              +2

              @[Deactivated]: If you want to be certain of not getting malware, you do need to update as soon as you can. If you tend to leave it for six months every update, or have a phone that is too old to receive any updates, there is a good chance. A lot of malware is not super harmful and unnoticeable (the ones that have a big impact usually get media attention), so you probably don't even know you have it

      • [Deactivated] on 20/09/2022 - 03:59
        +1

        Do you know why jailbreak on iPhones works on all phones with same iOS release until patch is released?

        Here's a clue. You have millions iPhones running same version of software vs billions of Android devices running thousands different versions. Guess which one is in more danger?

        If you leave it several months there is a really good chance you have malware on your phone.

        Sorry, you just lost remains of your credibility.

        p.s. I was talking about spyware that is integral part of iOS.

      • [Deactivated] on 20/09/2022 - 08:18
        -1

        It's actually the other way around. iPhone's are so easily hacked, zero day exploits don't sell for as much as Android ones.

        • Quantumcat on 20/09/2022 - 08:31
          -1

          If you search CVE lists there are more than twice as many entries for Android as iOS. And about 6 times as many for Samsung as iPhone (then there's all the other manufacturers…)

          • [Deactivated] on 20/09/2022 - 08:37

            @Quantumcat: Regardless of CVE lists, if your claim was true, iPhone exploits would sell a lot more than Android ones. They don't do though.

            Because Android is opensource there are a lot more eyes on the source code and vulnerabilities gets patched quickly.

            Obviously older Android devices remain vulnerable but most people here aren't buying $200 chinese phones running Android 8 for example. They'll be buying whatever is latest and up to date.

            • tp0 on 20/09/2022 - 23:28

              @[Deactivated]: iOS exploits are worthless because Apple will patch it and roll it out simultaneously to a billion devices at once.

              Android exploits are valuable because lots of android phones don’t get updates meaning you have a larger pool of users to exploit.

    • dealsucker on 20/09/2022 - 08:34
      +4

      "Apple pretends they value privacy but in reality not any better than Google in that regard."
      Citation needed. Google makes all their money from selling your data, Apple makes all their money by selling you hardware. Conspiracy fanboy theories aside, it is too hard to understand?

      • [Deactivated] on 20/09/2022 - 14:06

        I guess you sleep better knowing that one of the largest corporation on the Earth knows everything about you but does not sell that data to third parties?

        You see, when you're using free Google services you're willingly trading your data for that service, so it's a somewhat fair deal. You don't have to use them and avoid being spied on completely, they're just so good that you do want to use them.

        However when you buy an iPhone you're paying Apple for spying on you and you can't opt out. And what are you getting in return?

        • dealsucker on 20/09/2022 - 14:41

          I would be surprised if the largest corporation on Earth which makes all its money from selling hardware that they say is privacy focussed and tries to sneakily sell your data to advertisers so that they can earn a penny on top and basically risk their whole business model and their reputation. Makes perfect and total sense to me.

          "You see, when you're using free Google services you're willingly trading your data for that service" - Its not "Free" then.

          • [Deactivated] on 20/09/2022 - 17:46

            @dealsucker: You have comprehension issues. Read what I said again and think.

      • ESEMCE on 20/09/2022 - 14:20

        No consipracy theories needed, Apple do not just sell hardware, as much as their Hardware Marketing department would prefer you to believe otherwise.
        Apple have their own advertising network just like Google's. citation provided
        Guess who they're pimping that information out to?

        Unsurprisingly, it's the same people as Google.

        • dealsucker on 20/09/2022 - 14:46
          -1

          Yeah right Coca Cola wants me to buy the coca cola app! Having a tightly controlled app store and showing advert in the app store is NOT the same as fingerprinting you across the internet, across browsers and then showing adverts to you across the internet, your email and everywhere else to the highest bidder! Google is indeed the pimp and you are the "W"! No citation needed.

          • ESEMCE on 20/09/2022 - 15:26
            +1

            @dealsucker: Look I couldn't agree more with respect to Google's intrusion into every part of our lives.
            And the fact that they use this info to sell (IMHO poorly targeted) ads. You seem to be alleging more than this, for which citation is most definitely needed.

            I use Android (the hardware is cheap and does the job), Youtube and Youtube Music (cause there is nothing else like Youtube and I get ad-free Youtube for "free" with Youtube Music at the same price as any of the others) and Google Maps (as much as I'd like not to, it's so far and away the best I consider the tradeoff worth it).
            I do not use any other of Google's services to minimise their data on me including on my phone (email, calendar, browser, search are all third party non Google across all my devices).

            Please do not fool yourself that Apple are not selling your info via their Advertising network including the information they gather on you by nature of having system level access to your handset (just like Google do).
            There is no "good guy" here and yeah, there is no ultimate difference between Apple selling your Targeting ID or Google doing the same (which they're doing anyway cause you're clearly not an internet hermit)

            • dealsucker on 20/09/2022 - 15:53
              -1

              @ESEMCE: "Please do not fool yourself that Apple are not selling your info via their Advertising network including the information they gather on you by nature of having system level access to your handset (just like Google do).
              There is no "good guy" here and yeah, there is no ultimate difference between Apple selling your Targeting ID or Google doing the same (which they're doing anyway cause you're clearly not an internet hermit)"

              You have got the fundamental question wrong. It is not about who is a good or a bad guy. Google and Apple are both business's and their business models are completely different. Apple's got everything to loose if it is proven that they sell your data like google does. Google is a known devil. How else do they serve you personalised adverts across the internet? And if they dont what is their advantage over any other advertising network? I use their services as well and I know what I am getting into. My objection purely was to the statement made earlier - "Apple pretends they value privacy but in reality not any better than Google in that regard."

              And you are kidding if you think that they dont know its "you" because you are being careful. There are literally million ways to fingerprint you across the internet indirectly and trust me they know, it is in their best interest, their business's best interest to know who "you" are.

              You havent provided me with once evidence/citation/article/research of when Apple was caught selling a user's personal data. Just saying "they have all your information and therefore they must be selling your data" is not enough/speculative nonsense or a way to make yourself feel better.

              • ESEMCE on 20/09/2022 - 16:26
                +1

                @dealsucker: All I am trying to do is open your eyes mate.. Apple have an Advertising arm, they do not specifically hide this (they also do not promote it).

                Apple's got everything to loose if it is proven that they sell your data like google does.

                Again you appear to be alleging that Google sells access to something more than Advertising ID data? Citation required
                If there is such evidence I will happily concede the point, but I'm unaware of this.
                And yes I know that, personalised info can be processed out of Advertising ID data by crossmatching.

                Apple's Advertising arm, is fed Advertising ID data from Apple's hardware/software arm just as Google's Alphabet's Advertising arm is fed info from Search, Gmail, Docs, Youtube and Android arms.
                Ultimately they do the same thing as Google, onsell that data to advertisers so that the advertisers can target better ads at you.
                What more evidence do you require?
                How else could they do business?
                And how is that business model any more private than Google's Advertising ID data selling?

  • trevor99 on 19/09/2022 - 21:03
    +6

    It's all marketing, not based on logic. A POCO F3 with ArrowOS for example for around $400-$500 is fast, and even has an IR Blaster that comes in handy.

    Android is open systems, so I'd always choose it for that reason alone and not have to deal with Apple proprietary rubbish like Itunes.

    • Quantumcat on 19/09/2022 - 22:50

      iTunes is gone

    • paloverde88 on 19/09/2022 - 23:01
      +1

      Fugly looking loco poco locomotion with,
      Come on come on do the poco motion with me sings Kylie

  • dlakers3peat on 19/09/2022 - 21:15
    +1

    Apart from the price main issues for me is the inflexible Apple ecosystem and the inferior lightning cable.

    Also I just do not like the apple operating system.

    • BendBridge on 07/10/2022 - 09:31

      I used to have the same feelings until I delved deeper and understood more about it.

  • Tiredman on 19/09/2022 - 21:49
    +2

    I'm cheap.

  • achew on 19/09/2022 - 22:07
    -1

    The targeted marketing to women bothers me the most. they prey on them.

    achew
    'scuse me

    • Nillionaire on 20/09/2022 - 12:07

      lol what? How

      • achew on 20/09/2022 - 14:25

        It's prolific, and blatant - like tobacco use had been in movies and TV shows - you don't have to look hard to see it. Pick a rom com and bam, apple device use associated with successful characters and women.

        achew
        'scuse me

  • Marty-69 on 19/09/2022 - 22:21
    • No USB-C
    • I don't have anything Apple. Imo Apple is only good if you use everything Apple.
    • I don't want another OS, assistent or cloud storage provider.
    • No RCS. Apple restricts messaging with non iPhones.
    • Too controlling, they prefer their own "standard" too much.
    • Afaik, to have some kind of control over your own very expensive device, you need to jail-break it andvoid your warranty.
  • Desertsyd on 19/09/2022 - 23:01
    +1

    So I don't have to provide technical support for my parents.

    • AustriaBargain on 19/09/2022 - 23:43

      That's exactly why I got my mother an iPhone and iPad. I got sick of long phone calls explaining Windows and Android stuff to her. She's even got a Mac now and after the initial learning curve you'd think she was a pro.

  • bigbadboogieman on 19/09/2022 - 23:15

    Flexibility like ability to sideload apps, access to files across apps, etc.

  • Exec-Matrix on 20/09/2022 - 00:16

    The fact I can't set up my phone how I want to. Default apps especially.

  • GnarlyKnuckles on 20/09/2022 - 00:35
    +5

    As with 'everything Apple', I hate the fact that they take active steps to ensure that nothing of 'theirs' is compatible in any easy way with anything that they themselves did not create, sell, and profit from. Ergo, they reap huge profits worldwide by perpetuating an annoying 'two-team' techy society usership characterised by inherent/inbuilt incompatibility. One jurisdiction has called them out on this and mandated that they at least include 'generic'-type charging ports on their devices, in that country. That is interesting, and I wonder what else may flow from there.

    Shorter version:

    I hate everything Apple, because that company is solely responsible for the 'great divide' between PC/Android users and Apple users. If Apple embraced compatibility, there would be no divide.

    Apple might even make more money if they did that, because the fact is Apple makes quality (albeit usually over-priced) products.

    • TheRealCJ on 23/09/2022 - 12:14
      +1

      I would love to get one of those new Watches with the crown guard, they look good. But without an iPhone it's literally useless unless I somehow borrow someone else's iPhone, but even then it will only have half the functionality and I would have to borrow the same iPhone whenever there's an update or something needs fixing.

      So effectively Apple has lost out on a 1200 dollar sale because they want a 2500 dollar sale.

  • gromit on 20/09/2022 - 00:35
    +2

    Fix itunes, it is complete shite. Fix the insane storage sub costs, fix lack of memory expansion, Usb c, get rid of forced walled garden, finally fix the pricing.

    • Some Human on 20/09/2022 - 11:21
      -2

      What is a forced walled garden? I googled it, but I just got pictures of garden walls.

      • TheRealCJ on 23/09/2022 - 12:15
        +1

        You know how your watch only works with your iPhone? Or how you can only send high quality pictures and videos between iPhones and no other phones without installing and signing up for a third party app?

        • Some Human on 23/09/2022 - 17:04

          I appreciate you answering. Thanks, I think I understand now. Haven't had an iPhone since no. 4 and haven't paid much attention since.

    • andresampras on 20/09/2022 - 12:01
      +2

      why do ppl keep talking about itunes? Yes it was crap, but you don't have to use it; I literally haven't opened it in like 10 years. Does it even exist any more?

      • Darude Sandstorm on 21/09/2022 - 07:24
        +1

        It was discontinued in 2019.
        There are still security updates and bug fixes but no new features. All been segregated to apple music etc.

  • MintBerryCrunch on 20/09/2022 - 04:02
    +2

    Usability.

    Can you transfer a file from your computer to your phone and play/open it? No.

    Fvck the apple store with a 10ft pole. They were not always like this.
    Im from the generation whereby my first iPod synced my entire music library (Napster era) easily.

    Now the iCult wants everything to go through their ecosystem.

    People are spending money on dongles to be able to transfer files from one usb stick to another usb stick … on a $2000 laptop.

    Hopeless. Just hopeless.

    And dont get me started on folder access and ease of any significant backup utilities like FileSync.

    On windows/android, it's as simple as mirroring folders using any third party app.

    Apple products are so locked down folders are not easily accessed.

    • Mr Haj on 20/09/2022 - 09:52

      Apple products are so locked down folders are not easily accessed.

      Everything works seamlessly… for a price 😂

      • TheRealCJ on 23/09/2022 - 17:38

        Oh my God, when I got a macbook I lamented in a forum about the lack of middle click on the touchpad, something I use way too much on every computer I own.

        All the replies were "Just buy and install this app (and pay the $39/year annual subscription!) to jerry rig the two-decade-old functionality into your brand new 2022 computer.

        • Hahuh on 23/09/2022 - 23:50

          Dude stop!

          How can they NOT have a middle click? My favourite feature is to middle click links to open them in the background and middle click tabs to close them.

          • TheRealCJ on 24/09/2022 - 00:36

            @Hahuh: Nope, only way to add it is to install a 3rd party app that hijacks the touchpad to add the functionality to it. You have to pay a yearly subscription to said app.

    • freefall101 on 20/09/2022 - 16:39

      Im from the generation whereby my first iPod synced my entire music library (Napster era) easily.

      Now the iCult wants everything to go through their ecosystem.

      You synced that with iTunes and played it back with Apple's music player. What exactly did you take outside of their ecosystem again?

      You're talking like iPhones can't play mp3s. It can easily, put it on your phone and open it. Use Apple's software or whatever mp3 player you feel like.

      Can you transfer a file from your computer to your phone and play/open it? No.

      Erm, yes? What file can't you open?

      People are spending money on dongles to be able to transfer files from one usb stick to another usb stick … on a $2000 laptop.

      That's because of a lack of useful ports, that's a different problem. How many Android phones can copy from one USB stick to another USB stick?

      And dont get me started on folder access and ease of any significant backup utilities like FileSync.

      On windows/android, it's as simple as mirroring folders using any third party app.

      Yeah, like the iPhone can easily do with Dropbox, OneDrive, Google Drive, etc…

      You can't access the file system and that's a clear limitation. But when it comes to downloads, music, photos, documents, i.e. the stuff people actually care about there are myriad ways to share it across multiple platforms.

      I wish I could do a full image backup and restore of my phone directly to the cloud, that's the only limitation (unless I pay for a much bigger iCloud subscription). Instead I just share all my other files to third parties and all my actual phone details to iCloud.

  • bazingaa on 20/09/2022 - 04:54
    +7

    back button

    • TheRealCJ on 23/09/2022 - 12:16

      Man, I love being able to just swipe from the edge of my phone to go back, it makes navigation so easy.

  • NeverBuyRegPrice on 20/09/2022 - 06:48
    +2

    Most likely I'm going to get a lot of down votes for this but it's the absolute truth why I'm still with Android.

    Main reason is because android allows me to torrent. There are some online torrent options for iPhone and iPad but they have a 2GB download limit and if you go bigger than that then you'll need to pay a monthly fee. With Android it's free and very fast.

    Android phones have USBC equipped with fast charging and fast transfer speeds. iPhone's Lightning charging option is basically still USB 2.0. Has anyone here tried to transfer 700GB with USB 2.0? It's a pain in the neck waiting for that to transfer.

    Lastly, most Chinese made Android phones have an in-built feature called Apps Lock or Lock Apps which I'm very fond off. I can easily choose which individual app to lock to give that added protection. Samsung has a feature called Secure Folder where you put apps into that folder but when you unlock it then all other apps are exposed. iPhone has a BS way to do but requires a lot of tinkering.

    Those are my three reasons why I won't go to iPhone. I think I will stick with Android forever.

    • caitsith01 on 20/09/2022 - 16:13
      +2

      Torrenting is an example of a broader pro about Android, which is that you are relatively free to use your own phone however you choose.

  • fratzhaus on 20/09/2022 - 06:50

    Price. I rocked a Samsung for so many years, but the second I was offered a free phone with work - jumped straight to iPhone.

  • pegaxs on 20/09/2022 - 07:53
    +7

    The same reason I would never buy a Tesla. It’s a cult with a whack job messiah complex bahgwan at the helm leading a flock of zealots and sheep.

    I like the phones Apple make, but the image they project just turns me right off.

    Oh, and price. Why the hell would I buy a $2,500 phone when I can get something that does the same job but for $700. There is a lot of badge markup in that price. A lot.

    • dealsucker on 20/09/2022 - 08:36

      The same reason people buy more expensive cars than a second hand Corolla. All cars can basically do the same job.

      • andresampras on 20/09/2022 - 12:05

        have you looked up the price of second hand corollas these days?

        They're not cheap

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