Hello
Looking to upgrade our very old rusty car to a spanking new EV car.
We have solar panels and can charge the EV car during the day.
The Tesla Y are around $75,000. The interior is very basic and they said no negotiation on the price.
Is there a strategy to get better value?
Model 3 is a bit too small, we prefer SUV over sedan.
Also saw the Mercedes EV SUV which is more luxurious but at a cost of $95,000! Can't afford that much.
Are there better options for around $80K?
Thank you
Firstly, you're driving a car that is still a head turner.
That’s one opinion. My opinion is that they look ‘meh’
I agree on the build quality comments - my Shanghai Model 3 is every bit as good as our Japanese built RAV4.
If you want a full EV theres a few options if you want SUV shape around 80k but good luck getting one this year.
I found this when I was looking for different EV finance options. I'm not sure how accurate it is for order times, but a nice break down of what's currently on offer in Australia.
https://www.macquarie.com.au/assets/bfs/documents/personal-d…
Thanks, the info is good.
Not urgent, we don't need one for another 1-2 years.
BYD
Yes, they are the top pick at the moment.
But I will wait for the EuroNCAP rating.
if youre not buying in 1-2 yrs then why not just follow the adventures of pegxs whatever
by that time there should be more vehicles on market… theres at least 2 coming from MG
Yes I plan to follow the adventures of pegxs or whatever new EV cars that comes out.
Now that I have more info, I can keep an eye on it.
Our current car is old, but it is built like a tank and we have meticulous looked after it and haven't done a lot of mileage.
@congo: Yeah. NIO and xpeng might be available at that time, fingers crossed. I hope they bring battery swapping here too
Do you need a large exxy car ?
Tbh most people only need a basic car sub $30k
On the flip side consider a hybrid toyota , it will retain the resale value in coming years as more ev’s become available and the options open up
We first considered hybrid Toyota, but that would mean we would be still be dependent on petrol prices. Also we prefer to go green, hopefully doing our part to reduce global warming.
Think about how they are manufactured, it is not a ‘green’ process.To be honest you are hardly ‘saving’ the planet with one.
If everyone thinks like you, then this planet is doomed :(
1 car may not make any difference, but if more people think like this, it can make a huge difference.
Camry and rav do around 5 litres
A mate of mine has a 4 year old camry 100k and it does 1000k out of the tank which is 55lmax
New yaris cross customer told me last week they are doing 4.1-4.3 /100
So i wouldnt exactly say dependant on petrol prices when they are pretty frugal
Esp when you compare a $30k vehicle against a $80k one
Youll prob be spending more on financing the $50k than on fuel per week
Talks sub $30k hybrid, then references Yaris Cross, RAV4 and Camry
Might wanna know prices first 😉 oh and all those are 12 months minimum wait time…
@spackbace: you might wanna know wtf you are talking about before you start pointing
theres numerous options dending on what size vehicle they want
and a budget for everyone over $80K cars
youve gotta wait for new cars ? no shit sherlock
Tbh most people only need a basic car sub $30k
I'm curious, do you purposely forget what you write, or is it just for convenience
Oh trust me, I know wtf I'm talking about 😉
@J5: Cheap basic car and hybrid don’t fit together. They aren’t expensive, but they aren’t cheap. And AFAIK they hybrids are typically a higher spec model so not basic either.
It’s true, no one ‘needs’ an expensive car with all the fancy features
@Euphemistic: yep but they are a shitload cheaper than $80K
and cheap cars are pretty much a thing of the past
@J5: That ms why we need a boatload more EVs under that mark in the market. They are starting to trickle in, but not quick enough. Compared to OS where literally dozens of models are available.
@Euphemistic: While australia doesnt have emission targets for new cars sales youll be waiting a while
Vw already stated they have no reason to sell cheap ev’s in aus
@J5: We are so far behind other developed countries. The backward thinking, coal loving governments are responsible for this. We could have a lot more choice if they didn’t think EVs were going to ruin the weekend.
@Conga,‘Doing your part’?Actually you are not.Think how they are charged.They are not as green as you think.
EVs on coal fired sparks are about as energy efficient as a petrol car with the fuel already in the tank. There’s a whole industry of extracting refining and distribution of difference in energy efficiency.
The emissions from construction and propulsion of an EVequals and ICE car in under a few years depending on what it’s powered by and how much you drive. It can be under a year.
I will be charging the car using my solar panels. Green enough for me.
Tbh most people only need a basic car sub $30k
If looking at new cars, you won't find much under $30k
Sure won't find a new Toyota hybrid for that money
Quite a fair few cars new sub $30k
Yaris and corolla fit right there
Corolla, nope since it's about to have a price rise
Also, definitely no hybrid sub-$30k
@spackbace: Oh no!Not ‘another’ Toyota ‘tax’! ‘Oh not a good feeling’!They are continually putting up prices,& while all the ‘lemmings’ purchase them, it is not going to stop.They seem to put up prices ‘Willy nilly’. Increased production costs? I have trouble buying that one.I have never seen a company putting up prices so consistently.It is getting a bit long in the tooth this crap Toyota puts out in regards to price increases.
@Hackney: You seem to have forgotten that businesses charge as much as they can for products, not as little as possible.
Toyota are reacting to demand. They obviously have more orders than they can fulfill. If you were in that situation, you’d be putting up prices too.
@Euphemistic: I do agree on that to a degree.But Toyota is doing this consistently, & while consumers keep buying a certain product they are going to keep increasing.Then, to add insult to injury you have to wait & wait & wait, & meanwhile, you seem to have had endless price rises.Hardly fair on the consumer is it?This is one reason I give the brand a wide berth.
@Hackney: Point is that businesses aren’t there to be ‘fair to the consumer’. They are there to make money. They are either trying to make more money or signaling to the market they don’t want such long wait times.
Maybe they don’t want such long wait times because ts affecting their model cycle. After all, it’s going to get harder to get a new model into production if you’ve got a years worth of orders for the current one.
@Hackney: Steel just went up 20-30%, look it up, there's enough articles about it
Oh and Corolla is getting a face-lift
But that's fine you keep your head in the sand 😂
@spackbace: ‘Face lift’,what a bit more plastic? To be fair, you are hardly going to be negative about the brand are you?You sell the things, so you are going to defend them anyway.
@Hackney: Lol are you really going to attack a brand for facelifting a model?
I get that you bought a Honda, but you have a die hard passion that's just ridiculous 😂
@spackbace: Only because of their continual price rises, literally every few months, it never stops.I have never seen a manufacturer put them up all the time.It seems any excuse & up they go.I have had a couple of Toyota’s, but never again.
@spackbace: yaris hyrbid $30717
hardly breaking the budget instead of $80k hey
other options sub $30K if you dont go hybrid
@J5: https://www.toyota.com.au/yaris/prices
$32,774 drive away in Sydney
Try again…
Yaris and corolla fit right there
It's ok to admit you're wrong
@spackbace: Hell dare I say a ‘bargain’! 32k for a bloody Yaris.Surprise you actually sell any of the things.August, 188 units moved.No one wants them anymore.Toyota shot them selves in the proverbial foot increasing prices by a massive margin on the things.Dumb move.They should be in the very low 20k bracket.They we’re a good buy in the early 2000’s @ sub 20k.Surprised Toyota has not removed them from the range.Even the base Yaris is just over 27k in my postcode.Insane.It is just not a good value vehicle anymore.
August, 188 units moved.No one wants them anymore.
Maybe because that’s how many units were delivered? It’s currently around an average of a 265 day wait for a Yaris.
We get it; you hate Toyota.
@kerfuffle: Don’t ‘hate’ them, just the way they go about their business.265 days wait,maybe, but Vfacts don’t lie, month on month they they don’t sell many.They are way over priced for what they are.A few facts:2019(Last year of the previous generation Yaris) 9,853 units were moved.)2020(both variants) just over 5,000 units moved.Even if they moved 200 units a month(ambitious to say the least) that is only 2,400 units in a year.Having a 265 days wait means absolutely nothing, they are not producing that many as demand is not there anymore.They make more profit per unit @ the higher price.They don’t need to move mountains of them.They have more priorities on the production line(RAV & LC) which as you know are massive sellers for them.Yaris means nothing.It is outpriced by many of its competitors & also in technology. If it was that popular it sales would reflect that.Furthermore,why would anyone pay just over 27k for the Yaris, when you can get a Corolla Ascent for just under 29K?Not only that they are simply outclassed in this segment with the Yaris now.
Hell dare I say a ‘bargain’! 32k for a bloody Yaris.Surprise you actually sell any of the things.
Just because you are surprised doesn’t mean they are over priced. When was the last time you saw an ad for a car sale/discount? They just aren’t because the cars are selling themselves. No manufacturer is doing anything more than advertising what is available to maintain interest.
Have the prices gone up? Yes. Are they a lot more expensive than they used to be? Yes. Is Toyota ripping off customers? Possibly, but they are still taking orders by the bucketload so it can’t be that bad. Do you have to buy one? No. Are there other options? Yes.
@Euphemistic: As you well know, there was a massive backlash when they increased the prices(massively) on them, their sales tanked.They use to sell quite well.Does that not tell you something?Of course they are overpriced.
@Hackney: It doesn’t matter if you think they are overpriced if they can’t supply. Those that will pay to join the queue are not complaining. Toyota might as well make decent profits while they can.
You still seem to be having trouble with the business concept of charging as much as possible for a product. Business is not here to benefit a consumer, it’s to sell product at the highest price.
@spackbace: Far bigger car.Not in the same segment is it?47K.Honda as you know have upped their prices as well, they have gone for the ‘premium’ segment(which actually makes no sense.) Profit over massive sales.Mazda is also doing this, positioning itself as a ‘premium’ offering.You are better off going for a Mazda2 @ just under 30k, rather than a Yaris.Far better specced out.
47K.Honda as you know have upped their prices as well
There ya go, now you can bag them out as well
I look forward to seeing you condemn them too on an ongoing basis
@Hackney: They don't have to, they're already stupidly overpriced 😂 $47k for a Civic, good luck defending that
@Hackney: 2020 ancap 5 stars vs 2017, simple
Can you still defend $47k for just a Civic? 😂 No wonder they're out of the top 10 manufacturers
@spackbace: You do understand, they did say they were chasing profit rather volume?No, I don’t think you do.What has ANCAP got to do with it.As I said good luck selling/defending 27k for a Yaris(dare I say ‘s@#$&*x’).From memory it is not even in the top ten anymore, let alone the top three.Nobody wants them.Is the Civic overpriced?Possibly.But so is Yaris by a massive margin.’Oh not a good feeling’ is it?If you are going to throw stones @ one particular brand, be prepared for them to be thrown back.
If you are going to throw stones @ one particular brand
Yet it's all you do
You bought from, and support, a brand who says they're chasing profit, yet attack another company for doing the same thing
I'd ask wtf is wrong with you and do you realise what a hypocrite you are, but I really don't think you realise!
@J5.Go & purchase something else.Plenty of other stuff out there! Dare I say it,& better ones.
I find the tesla to be really bland and minimalist in its design, sorry.
Don’t be sorry. That’s exactly what it they are. Their exterior design is becoming dated. Interior is for fanbois.
XC40 recharge sorta fits the bill. Though the one I ordered in March just got delayed until…..March…. so unlikely you'll get one soon.
Friend ordered one recently, arrives in late Dec/early January
MG ES EV - $50K for Essence version
BYD Atto 3 - $52K for extended range version
Hyundai Ioniq 5 - $75K for Dynamiq version
Kia EV6 (Car of the year) - $76K for Air version
Coming H1 next year:
Hyundai Ioniq 6 - around $75K expected
BYD Seal - Tesla 3 sized, goes for $30-$40K USD in China. Likely around ~$60K in Australia.
MG 4 - not suitable for your use case but this is a smaller corolla-sized hatch, likely to be ~$40K for entry version - gonna do ridiculous numbers in Oz based on release/reviews in UK.
Firstly, you're driving a car that is still a head turner. Tesla production cars coming out of Shanghai has been second to none - by far one of the best build qualities I have seen on any car the household has owned. As much as people may disagree with me, my car came out absolutely flawless.
American Gigafactories are still coming out with panel gaps and this is something you'll see highly exaggerated in the media. As a Shanghai-Tesla owner myself I can confirm to you, this is not true.
Furthermore, the minimalistic interior may look cheap, but for what you get at the current $78,000~ mark, it is a great car with futuristic technology.