Tesla Model Y RWD vs Hyundai Ioniq 5 AWD

RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 18:27

Hey Guys,

We are currently looking for a new vehicle. We are a family of three (young couple with a pre-schooler). Just sold our High Performance Sedan and looking to add a second SUV to the Family. Also, this will be our first brand new vehicle and so looking to make it a little special one. Currently have base model Japanese SUV and we are in love with it due to space and reliability. Therefore, we started looking at Electric Vehicles.

We were able to get in first allocation (Aug - Nov) Tesla Model Y RWD allocation and looking at September delivery.

In between, Ioniq 5 AWD came out with 130 allocations and I took a punt and was able to get one there too!

Test drove both and MY just does not feel special to me! It is slow, noisy (crashing suspension and echoing interior) and the materials genuinely feel cheap (comparing it to our German Sedan). Wife is not into cars but loves the brand and what it represents (to her). Her colleagues love Tesla and the whole Apple..esq interface (System and Store Interaction) was very appealing. It is like buying a piece of tech rather than a car. Also, it might hold up its value well.

She would not drive the Ioniq 5 due to Hyundai Dealership not being very appealing but I test drove it myself. I was honestly vowed by it. It is a much better vehicle in ‘automobile kind of way’. It is quite quick, comfortable and just has more common sense approach to driving. Also has better Warranty. However, I am not sure how Hyundai’s LiPh batteries would hold up compared to LiFePh Tesla Batteries in the long run.

My concerns, I would get bored with Tesla MY as it is a downgrade as it is too slow with supposedly 194kw, 398Nm (0-100 6.9s) vs I5’s 225kw, 600Nm (0-100 with realistic 4.7s). Ioniq 5 is $9K more expensive.

Also, MY RWD insurance is way higher ($1.9K p.a) vs I5’s ($1.05K p.a). So, just in 8 or so years, the cost will equalise.

Our son loves cars and he wants Ioniq 5 too if that matters!

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Comments

  • brendanm on 03/08/2022 - 18:35
    +14

    Just wanted to say that I love the random capitalisation. Your wife's reasons for buying a Tesla seem very shallow.

    • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 18:50

      Keeps the long winded essay alive with its highs and lows.

      Also, I can understand her point of view as we both work in mid-level management and Tesla does command more interest. She is not worried about the features until it gets us from A to B.

      • MS Paint on 03/08/2022 - 19:19
        +9

        work in mid-level management and Tesla does command more interest.

        Lol. Even more shallow.

        • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 19:30
          +3

          Tbh one might consider 0-100 2 sec or so difference shallow too. Life is a prism of perspectives anyway. When spending this much, you do want to feel special and everyone feels special in their own way.

      • brendanm on 03/08/2022 - 19:29
        +11

        we both work in mid-level management

        That must be exciting. Who cares what you work in, get what you want, not what you think looks best to people who's opinions you shouldn't be caring about.

  • stirlo on 03/08/2022 - 18:35

    No ones going to care that you have an electric Hyundai. People will still be like "whoa you got a Tesla!" Considering your partner also wants it (is it her car?) I would stick with the well known EV brand…

    Also even if you don't want the Model Y you should certainly take delivery and resell it for profit to someone who doesn't want to wait…

    • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 18:49
      -1

      Yes. I somewhat agree too. At this end of the market, branding and image also plays a big part. Otherwise no one would buy the base MB/Audi/BMWs when other better offering are available by other non-euro brands.

      I am well aware Teslas are made in China but have the Euro image in the ‘burbs while being American!

    • boomramada on 03/08/2022 - 19:08
      +2

      "whoa you got a Tesla!"

      Tesla is common as Toyota in the city Im in and I haven't driven HI5 yet but Tesla is kind of boring to drive tho.

      But Tesla probably have better market value than HI5.

      • stirlo on 03/08/2022 - 19:33
        +1

        Tesla is common as Toyota in the city Im in

        It is certainly common but the brand alone allows you to subtly brag that your vehicle is electric which makes it special. Also you will have one of the first Model Y's which at least separates you from the commoners with Model 3's…

        If you offer your friend a lift in your Tesla they know immediately you have an electric car (and you get the positive connotations) vs "in my hyundai, it's electric" which just sounds like you're trying hard…

        • boomramada on 03/08/2022 - 19:56

          You should get your self a Tesla 🙂 actually you don't need to tell your friend about HI5, it's does look futuristic and good to look at.

        • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 20:32
          +2

          This is so true. The whole seed of electric car was born when the wife sat in work mate’s Tesla.

          How do you know one owns a Tesla…They will tell you about it!

          Also, there is a cult like following. I have observed this first hand on various social media groups - like Elon is a ‘God’ like figure. I would hate to be associated with that. I am just buying a car!

      • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 20:59
        +1

        In Australia, there are about 26,000 Teslas.

        Where we live, 1 in 10 cars is a Model 3 (generally in White).

        It also said that another 20,000 Teslas will be delivered to Aus in the coming year or so and most will be Model Y.

  • SF3 on 03/08/2022 - 18:37
    +6

    Sounds like you have the money to flex, get both and sell the one that you don't want afterwards.

    • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 19:01

      That is one option we are definitely considering. Also, if we feel comfortable, we may sell the Jap ICE SUV and keep them both. However, this will require a bit of lifestyle adjustment.

    • boomramada on 03/08/2022 - 20:07

      This, actually you could sell it more than the purchased price.

    • JTTheMan on 03/08/2022 - 22:08

      This is the best advice!

      It's absolutely a win-win situation.

  • stirlo on 03/08/2022 - 18:41
    +1

    I5’s 225kw, 600Nm (0-100 with realistic 4.7s).

    Also everywhere says 5.2s for the AWD model, 7.4s for the RWD…

    • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 18:45
      +1

      Thanks for pointing it out. However, all tests suggest 4.5s to 4.9s. Hyundai tends to understate the specs. It also generally meets the WLTP range easily compared to Tesla’s claimed WLTP range.

      • Wiadro on 03/08/2022 - 20:21
        -2

        ill let you know that you're never going to race the car, don't worry about the 0-100 times

        • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 20:27

          I wish it was true. I do like to go out for ‘spirited’ driving every now and then and loved that about BMW 335i. With Outlander and MY, I am staring at two mums mobiles in the driveway. I am going to miss the raspy exhaust notes though regardless of which way we go.

          Drove both cars and one is certainly a mild performance car (HI5) and the other is a plain SUV (MY).

          • ass3ts on 03/08/2022 - 23:08
            +3

            @RandomDealHunter: After owning 3 Performance Model S Teslas, if you're not getting the Performance model and you don't need their Supercharging network, get the IONIQ 5, it's a better car. The Tesla hype got old pretty quickly, even when it wasn't common at all when I first bought one. The acceleration is still addictive, but you're not buying the Performance model.

  • slknv on 03/08/2022 - 18:51

    Lucky to get an ioniq 5 allocation, they dissappear in the first minute of release. Question is, who is going to be driving this new EV most of the time? If it's the wife, then tesla. If you, then Ioniq5. As someone awaiting a model 3, I'd personally go the ioniq 5 over a model Y - if nothing else, looks fantastic compared to the Y IMHO.

    • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 18:58
      +1

      It would be a 50:50 split. We both work close by. It would mainly depend on who will be dropping the little one.

      We are both engineers. Had a look at Tesla 3 and Y and both looked a little uninspiring - but looks aerodynamic. Also, some of the basics are missing like roof shade cover, boot cover, wiper stalks and come with hub caps over basic wheels. Ioniq 5 just does the car things better while looking good too. Hyundai should have put up Ioniq as a new brand or Genesis brand instead of the ugly GV60.

      • ass3ts on 04/08/2022 - 15:48
        +1

        The absence of cover for that glass roof would be quite annoying in summer. During warm days the tinted glass gets so hot you can barely touch it, and it inadvertently becomes a heater right above your head while driving. There are manual removable covers you can buy but they're awkward to use.

        • RandomDealHunter on 04/08/2022 - 18:47

          Yep. Tesla sells manual shade themselves. They also have temperature sensors in the roof structure which cranks up air-con when it gets too hot. Pretty counter-intuitive really as it reduces the range drastically.

  • spackbace on 03/08/2022 - 18:57
    +10

    Whatever is said on here doesn't trump your wife's thoughts

    Either try to get her to reconsider test driving the Hyundai, or just buy the Tesla. Not worth the arguments

    #happywifehappylife

  • CuteWittleCorgi on 03/08/2022 - 19:01
    -7

    Lol Hyundai EV. If getting an EV, Tesla is a no brainer.

    • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 19:08
      +1

      I thought so too. However, drive an Ioniq 5 if you get a chance. That thing is just a better car even compared to my fairly new ex-german sedan.

      Tesla feels hollow, the back seat rattled all the way on our test drive (common complaint by others too) and has much poorer fit and finish. It has the charging network that cannot be beaten. However, 98% or more charging will be at home for us.

      Test driving both changed my perception completely.

      • MS Paint on 03/08/2022 - 19:22
        +1

        ex-german

        What?

        • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 19:23

          BMW 335i

          • MS Paint on 03/08/2022 - 19:25
            +1

            @RandomDealHunter: That makes sense. Cheers

            • askbargain on 03/08/2022 - 19:53
              +1

              @MS Paint: It's a troll. Calling a >7 year old car "fairly new".

              • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 20:39

                @askbargain: It was a 2016 but with very low kms. For me, it was still a relatively new car. I had Manufacturers Warranty and then an extended warranty on it.

                Regardless of that, if you don’t have anything constructive to say then better not. I am just seeking peoples opinion here for a situation which I am in.

                • boomramada on 04/08/2022 - 09:00
                  -1

                  @RandomDealHunter: Doesn't matter how many low km it has, but 2016 is kind of old tech/performance.
                  Have a test drive 2016 vs current model bmw/Merc ? Then you wouldn't touch the Tesla lol

  • Presence on 03/08/2022 - 19:41
    +4

    and has much poorer fit and finish

    and echoing interior

    and the materials genuinely feel cheap

    Do people just make this shit up? It reads like a car journalists review.

    • askbargain on 03/08/2022 - 19:45
      +2

      Used to drive a 'performance' sedan but is only worried about 0-100 times.

    • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 19:55
      +1

      Nope. I do consider myself a car enthusiast. I went over a lot of reviews before doing the test drives. I went over both cars for about an hour each after the test drives as well.

      During the test drives, I tried to observe the noise levels as they are quite EVs, suspension behaviour including dampers, response to sudden steering inputs and cornering. Then checked the braking and acceleration before focusing on driver aids and in case of Ioniq the regen levels. Also drove the cars on Local and then Highway Roads (and the corresponding speeds). Not going to pretend that I am an industry expert but I tried everything I wanted to test.

      Later on went through a check of ergonomics including reachability (seat and controls), quality of materials, body panel gaps and paint colour differences between panels and plastic v metal (especially Ioniq as the colour we have changes shades when in different brightness).

      I could not test cabin ambience (due to day test drives) and impact of glass roof as both test drives were during cold winter days.

      You can call me pedantic but I do love my cars (and bikes up until a few years ago).

    • spackbace on 04/08/2022 - 13:25
      +1

      Do people just make this shit up? It reads like a car journalists review.

      You'd be surprised how many people knock and touch dash plastics these days due to reviewers saying that should be a thing. Touching a dash panel which they'd never touch in day-to-day use…

      • Presence on 04/08/2022 - 13:58
        +2

        Yep that's what I don't get. "Oh on hot days in perfect lighting if I lie down on the road wearing polarized glasses there might be a slight difference in gloss between the plastic and steel panels". It's just absolute wankery.

      • smithydll on 09/08/2022 - 19:38

        Watching Munro on YouTube, every car they bring in is mostly plastic. Dash - plastic, centre console - plastic, seat foam - plastic, interior carpet lining - plastic, lights - plastic, carbon fibre - mostly plastic (resin), alcantara - plastic, vegan leather - usually plastic, paint - plastic.

        Mostly the same plastics 4 or 5 plastics with different surface finishes.

  • 0FoxGiven on 03/08/2022 - 19:54
    +3

    I used to be a bit of a Tesla Fanboy. But after sitting in the Tesla cars, I honestly found the materials to look and feel way too cheap for the price. The Ioniq 5 though looks and feels premium!

    I feel like a Tesla will retain value better just because of the fanboys out there.

    • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 19:58

      I agree with both of your perspectives. Tesla v Ioniq quality and value retention.

      Surprisingly, Ioniq has real leather (treated sustainably) which should last longer rather than MY’s Vegan (Plastic) Leather.

  • plmko on 03/08/2022 - 19:56
    +2

    "Too slow" at 0-100 6.9s. Seriously what has the world become.

    • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 20:01
      -1

      I know. But my daily (BMW 535i) was 5.7ish. So it will be a downgrade :(

      • plmko on 03/08/2022 - 22:12

        You should save your money and get a MX-5. Feel the fastest 7s you've ever had in your life. These land whale cars will never feel fast enough.

      • p1 ama on 04/08/2022 - 01:07
        +2

        I know. But my daily (BMW 535i) was 5.7ish. So it will be a downgrade :(

        Lmao did you just stompy stomp on the accelerator every time you needed a boost to your manhood? I never get this obsession with 0-100, you're buying a bloody mini-truck, not a race car. Also jeebus, the way you're talking about mid-range BMW family sedans as "high performance", almost thought you had an M3.

        • bhubb18 on 04/08/2022 - 15:09

          A 335i moves pretty well lmao.

      • dji1111111 on 23/08/2022 - 23:07

        Interesting my car does 0-100kmh in 4.9 sec but I thought the Model Y felt quick when I test drove it

        • Euphemistic on 24/08/2022 - 07:08

          Probably because the acceleration is virtually instant. There no need for an engine to build up revs before you get power.

          • dji1111111 on 24/08/2022 - 14:35

            @Euphemistic: Exactly which is why I thought it's weird that OP keeps saying it's slow. His car is slower than my car yet he acts like he's downgrading from a Ferrari to Model Y RWD.

            I have zero concerns around the performance "downgrade" despite the official spec for Model Y being 6.9sec vs my current car's 0-100kmh time of 4.9sec.

            • Euphemistic on 24/08/2022 - 15:10

              @dji1111111: Really it’s a bit of a joke to say it isn’t fast enough. Any of these are in reality too fast for public roads.

              FWIW one of Germany’s most fun cars I’ve driven was a 91 corolla. It wasn’t fast but made a lot more fun by being able to drive it hard and not get into trouble with speed anywhere near as quick.

        • RandomDealHunter on 26/08/2022 - 10:25

          I have now driven MY three times. 0-30kms is definitley slow (perhaps artificially to make future LR look better). I agree that ICE vehicles dont have instantaneous torque but they do have gearing and in mid acceleration you do get the 'ooomph'.
          We have taken delivery of Ioniq5 and waiting for MY. Ioniq5 AWD is rapid and picks up speed very quickly. Think 1000cc bike vs 600cc bike (metaphorically).
          Wife also now agrees that Ioniq5 is the better car but still getting over the Tesla vs Hyundai badge.

      • JafferMoney on 10/11/2022 - 12:08

        You can't compare a sedan to a SUV…if you are just thinking about speed then purchase the Tesla Model Y Performance…it kills the Ioniq 5 and just about any other car for that matter. 0 to 100 in 3.7 secs.

        The model Y is probably the best bang for buck you can buy out of any SUV…the enormous amount of luggage/space you get, the supercharging network, it's just a very practical car.

  • p1 ama on 03/08/2022 - 19:59

    Just sold our High Performance Sedan and looking to add a second SUV to the Family. Also, this will be our first brand new vehicle and so looking to make it a little special one.

    Why would you sell a performance sedan to get a second SUV? You already have an SUV so just doubling up on functions?

    • askbargain on 03/08/2022 - 20:01
      +2

      Didn't you hear he has a big family?

    • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 20:06

      It was getting harder to put the little one in the child seat. Also, wife did not like the suspension and had hard time driving due to low seating position. Also, little one could not see out. These all look first world small issues but ultimately meant that family outings could not be done in the sedan for long distances.

      Lastly, I was dreading the electrical gremlins as it was just out of warranty. It was time to move on especially in the current market where I got what I paid for a few years ago.

  • MS Paint on 03/08/2022 - 20:07
    +5

    Just get a Taycan.

    Build quality, performance and impressive image for other managers. Wife will love the badge and dealership coffee too.

    • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 20:13

      Haha…I can only wish. Way out of the budget.

      For some reason I don’t like Taycan due to the droopy face (subjective). Just warming to the whole Porsche Design now after hating it for years (with the new GT3RS and Cayman etc.). E-tron would be nice though.

      TBH, the Germans are still not there yet. Tesla Performance (3 or Y) have much better performance and range with 80kwh batteries when compared to Porsche/Audi 95kwh batteries.

      • askbargain on 03/08/2022 - 20:15
        +1

        Performance = 0-100 time

        Range = battery size

        • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 20:23

          Well aware of it mate.

          Tesla in my opinion the leaders in both. The cars are designed ground up as EVs with systems (such as HVAC) optimised for this purpose. The materials feel cheap but are also light and while I hate the whole minimalistic interior, this results in significant weight saving. MY is a mid to large SUV but tips scales at 18xx kgs (reported is over 1900kgs). Which is way lighter than Taycan (2125Kg or more). This results in both better range and performance.

          The dilemma is that we want to us it as a family car and are only looking at base model so don’t get to access all the features/performance.

          • askbargain on 03/08/2022 - 20:39
            +1

            @RandomDealHunter: For Tesla

            1. Tesla Model Y RWD and Performance have same interior.

            2. Supercharging network. Tesla isn't going to open up the network in Australia unless the government has some incentive which I doubt.

            3. Tesla has a mobile app which I don't think Hyundai has.

            4. Tesla has more experience as a pure EV company.

            5. More efficient car

            For Hyundai

            1. More traditional car instead of just a touchscreen.

            2. Has Apple Carplay and Android Auto

            3. Has auto lane change included I think.

            4. 360 camera

            5. V2L outlet

            For you

            1. Did you check around for insurance because 1.9k is a lot.

            2. Did you test out autopilot for both cars?

            3. Have you considered charging? Not just how you will charge but the charging speed for both cars when DC charging.

            4. You probably won't go wrong with either car.

            5. Tesla's wall connector is the cheapest for home charging, and can be used to charge other cars.

            • RandomDealHunter on 03/08/2022 - 20:50

              @askbargain: Thanks for this.

              1. Yes, I got three quotes both Ioniq 5 and MY and these are the cheapest that I got for our age (over 30, no accidents and in Sydney). Could be because of the Glass roof on MY which is prone to cracking - well known issue. Ioniq 5 did not come with the optional glass roof in the last batch and they have made it a $1500 option now.

              2. Yes. Contrary to normal belief, Hyundai has better Autopilot (not comparing the FSD or Enhanced Autopilot). Both are HDA2 compliant but Tesla did Phantom Braking on my test drive and turns off Autopilot upon lane change. One important factor is Ioniq 5s built after June 30 would get HDA 1.5 which is much inferior than HDA 2 due to chip shortages. The car allocated to me (through the paperwork and confirmed by Hyundai) will come with HDA 2.

              3. Yes. That is point of contention. Tesla has the better supercharger network that just works. Ioniq doesn’t and in Aus the charging network is just not that great. For us, mostly this will be used for City Driving or going out every now and then. Both might meet the needs. Outlander would be for the longer trips.

              4. Agreed. The dilemma is Wife wants the larger car with the image (MY).
                I want the mild performance car with stunning looks and AWD safety so I can do the dad duties but also take it out for fun every now and then. Badge does not bother me. In fact, the Hyundai dealer is close by and having dealt with them before I am actually okay with it. Better Warranty helps too.

              • ass3ts on 04/08/2022 - 07:50
                +1

                @RandomDealHunter: A base Model 3/Y in 2022, what image?

              • boomramada on 04/08/2022 - 08:43

                @RandomDealHunter:

                Could be because of the Glass roof on MY which is prone to cracking

                Something to do with your age and location. Maybe you are too young for the average Tesla driver;)
                for me Y and Hyundai I5 almost the same premium .
                And my ICE car with similar price tag to Tesla Y got the similar insurance premium as well.

                Or something to do with your wife details, if you added her in.

  • iDroid on 03/08/2022 - 22:04

    It is like buying a piece of tech rather than a car

    IMO a Tesla is more like an appliance compared to ICE cars being a machine.

    Not only due to their electric (near) no maintenance components but their modern manufacturing techniques that are far more akin to appliance manufacturing than traditional car manufacturing.

  • Archi on 03/08/2022 - 23:08
    +2

    Probably easier to change the wife

  • pegaxs on 04/08/2022 - 00:04
    +5

    Buy her an MG EV and pocket the change. Oh, and tell her to grow up. Buying a car to appease people you work with that you don’t like in some vain attempt to make yourself feel better about your own life… FFS.

    • ass3ts on 04/08/2022 - 07:56
      +2

      Yes, but minus the MG

  • SupeNintendoChalmers on 04/08/2022 - 07:13
    +5

    Teslas are like the modern day Camry, everyone seems to be driving one, especially in white.

    I’d go for the Ionic, funkier design, better built, and you’re not partially funding an evil authoritarian government and a narcissistic SA turned American

  • mikzter on 04/08/2022 - 07:51
    +1

    Choosing the Iconiq is a no brainer… The Tesla's build quality issues will eventually shoot you in the foot. Yes it will look the part but only you will be haunted by it's issues.

  • 82norm on 04/08/2022 - 09:14
    -5

    You know they both are powered by coal?

    • MS Paint on 04/08/2022 - 09:20
      +2

      I haven't read the whole thread but I don't think OP is doing the EV thing to be green.

      I did read a report (by Volvo I think) that if you sell your EV before 5 years you have actually done more damage to the environment compared to an ICE vehicle.*

      *Don't quote me on this as I'm probably not recalling it correctly.

      • boomramada on 04/08/2022 - 14:02

        You were bit off but here is the article

        https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10161697/Vo…

        That's why I prefer governments to invest on other type of vehicles not just EV.

        • MS Paint on 04/08/2022 - 14:40

          9 years. I was way off, but you get the idea. Those that lease an EV for 5 years and dispose the vehicle are actually doing more harm when they think they are being green.

          Here is the original report

          • Euphemistic on 04/08/2022 - 16:01

            @MS Paint: those 5yo EVs are going to go to the used market, not the tip.

            It’ll encourage people who don’t buy new to get an EV.

            • MS Paint on 04/08/2022 - 16:03

              @Euphemistic: I know the cars aren't going to waste and in the long term there is environmental benefits.

              My point was that in the period of ownership the original EV owner was doing more damage than good to the environment.

              • Euphemistic on 04/08/2022 - 18:06
                +1

                @MS Paint: There is a problem when looking at first owner only for products. Need to consider whole of life for all products.

                • MS Paint on 04/08/2022 - 19:30

                  @Euphemistic: But the first owner can't claim they are saving the world when the subsequent owners will be.

                  • Euphemistic on 04/08/2022 - 19:48

                    @MS Paint: Is it not significantly better to buy and drive an EV than an ICE? You can’t discount the rest of its life after the first owner.

                    People who buy new cars are always going to buy new, might as well get an EV.

      • ass3ts on 04/08/2022 - 17:14

        This is what someone did to his out-of-warranty Tesla. Mine had so many issues luckily while still under warranty.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG9Izqp6WWU

  • iCandy on 04/08/2022 - 09:22
    -6

    Are you of Asian ancestry, per chance?

    • MS Paint on 04/08/2022 - 09:24

      Aww shit. I wouldn't have said that.

      • iCandy on 04/08/2022 - 10:20

        I recently watched a true crime episode where a woman from a lower caste got a loan out of the bank purely to buy things like iPhones to show off to neighbours. But I see now that it’s a generational thing. My generation was just happy to have a reliable car.

    • RandomDealHunter on 04/08/2022 - 09:35

      Surprisingly no and neither is my wife.

      • iCandy on 04/08/2022 - 10:16

        So this is a generational thing then?

        • RandomDealHunter on 04/08/2022 - 19:53
          +1

          Not really. I am quite objective about it. Have a little one and want to drive in the safest vehicle possible. These two are one of the safest going around.
          Also, price of petrol is quite high and don't want to wait for 18months for a Rav4 Hybrid or something similar for $60K or so.
          With the fuel price saving (especially with Solar in our house), we can save while EV would retain its value in the long run compared to ICE vehicle. Minimal servicing too.

  • Boogerman on 04/08/2022 - 10:21
    +2

    Is your wife aware of the sexual & racial harassment lawsuits against Tesla & SpaceX & personally against Elon Musk & alleged settlements?
    Is she also aware that Tesla & SpaceX has forced employee arbitration, illegal in Australia, to keep internal things 'quiet'?
    Does this matter to her?

  • Euphemistic on 04/08/2022 - 10:42

    Muskie is becoming increasingly weird. Unless you want to be seen/known as a Tesla owner, buy the Hyundai.

    One thing about extra noises in an EV is that it’s likely you notice more because there’s less noise from the ICE drivetrain.

  • 82norm on 04/08/2022 - 12:08

    Tbh, not sure if there are really any bragging rights owning a Tesla. Given Musk reputation and someone of questionable bonifides / moral compass, does one really want to be associated with him?

    • RandomDealHunter on 04/08/2022 - 12:57
      +1

      Agree with it. I did say this above in another reply:

      How do you know one owns a Tesla…They will tell you about it!

      Also, there is a cult like following. I have observed this first hand on various social media groups - like Elon is a ‘God’ like figure. I would hate to be associated with that. I am just buying a car!

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