Traveling to US and I heard they have tips concept at most places.
Any idea at which places do they expect tips from customers and roughly how much is considered okish?
Tips in US
bluespider on 08/07/2022 - 11:37
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Only tip at restaurants. Menus generally tell you what's expected.
Only in restaurants? hahaha ummm no, don't forget taxis, ubers, food delivery, door people that carry your bags to your room even when not asked.
Tour guides want a tip at the end of the tour too.
Hotel cleaners are meant to have a tip left daily for them, and the list goes on.
The US is a mess, just pay people right and get rid of this tipping crap. The end cost to the user is the same!
The US is a mess, just pay people right and get rid of this tipping crap.
The great thing about tipping is that YOU can pay them what you think is right. If you think a waiter deserves $200 YOU can pay them that. So rather than demand that I pay for your version of 'right', you have that power in your own hands.
But that is not what you really want is it? Every great socialist idea always require someone else to foot the bill…So rather than demand that I pay for your version of 'right', you have that power in your own hands.
So YOU demand that I pay for your version of 'right' instead…… rather than just pay people a decent wage up front.
So YOU demand that I pay for your version of 'right' instead
I don't demand anything. What happens between an employer, an employee, and a customer is entirely up to them. If you as a customer think your service person deserves more pay, then you as a customer are free to choose to pay them more or not.
rather than just pay people a decent wage up front.
Who decides what is 'decent'? You are free to pay them what you think is 'decent', what is stopping you from doing that? And why you do you think that YOU should get to decide that for ME?
Next time you sell something on Gumtree or Marketplace ask yourself, who is best placed to determine the price. Should the seller and the buyer work it our among themselves, or should the government get involved and determine the 'decent' price up front?
You are free to pay them what you think is 'decent', what is stopping you from doing that?
I shouldn't have to know what a 'decent' wage is, the employer should be paying that up front regardless.
In your world, if no customers came in, then that is totally ok for the employee to get no money aka tips?
And why you do you think that YOU should get to decide that for ME?
Just like in Australia, it has been decided for you already what a 'decent' wage is. Do you have problems here eating out knowing the staff can afford to live.
I shouldn't have to know what a 'decent' wage is, the employer should be paying that up front regardless.
So how does the employer know what your definition of a 'decent' wage is? Can you not see the faulty logic here?
In your world, if no customers came in, then that is totally ok for the employee to get no money aka tips?
That's how business works. If you are not selling what the customer wants then you either adapt or go out of business.
it has been decided for you already
Nice one. And you weren't joking either were you…
Do you have problems here eating out knowing the staff can afford to live.
But based on other comments here they can't afford to live.
The average American makes about 25% higher income than the average Australian, and the cost of living in the US is about 10% is lower.
Do you have problems here eating out knowing the staff can't afford to live?Also you never answered my question, do you think the government should also set prices for everything on Gumtree or Marketplace? Because how will those sellers earn a decent living unless someone in the government sets the prices on their behalf?
So how does the employer know what your definition of a 'decent' wage is? Can you not see the faulty logic here?
No faulty logic, Australia has clear wage guidelines for jobs so businesses don't' screw employees over.
That's how business works. If you are not selling what the customer wants then you either adapt or go out of business.
Your waiter isn't a 'business'. Would you go to work for the day and be happy with getting no income as it was quiet and they had nothing for you to do that day?
The average American makes about 25% higher income than the average Australian, and the cost of living in the US is about 10% is lower.
LOL Now do the average wait staff.
Also you never answered my question, do you think the government should also set prices for everything on Gumtree or Marketplace?
Those are not jobs, they are businesses.
Because how will those sellers earn a decent living unless someone in the government sets the prices on their behalf?
You're confusing running a business vs hiring employees.
You're welcome to move back to America and make it great again.
Australia has clear wage guidelines for jobs so businesses don't' screw employees over.
Yet according to many employees they are being screwed over. They are also earning less on average so how is that working out?
Your waiter isn't a 'business'.
The waiter is part of the business and is part of the success or failure of the business. But freeloaders be freeloading…
Would you go to work for the day and be happy with getting no income as it was quiet and they had nothing for you to do that day?
I own my own business so that is exactly what happens. This model has more risk as I could lose money, but at the same time it rewards success as a good business can earn many, many times more money than a wage earner.
Now do the average wait staff.
I have a couple of friends who do exactly that in both countries. One was earning $1000/day in tips because he was good at his job (he's now started an eCommerce business and is loaded. The other is still in high school working summer jobs earning about $300/day in tips. Compare that to the award wage of $13/hour for a 16 year old here who earns $78 for a 6 hour shift.
Those are not jobs, they are businesses.
The part you are failing to understand is that everything is business. A job is merely a component part of a business, the same rules of supply and demand still apply. When the government attempts to interfere with supply and demand the result is never better. This is why the US is the wealthiest country in the world, and socialist countries are all poor. Don't take my word for this, look it up. The correlation between wealth and free markets is very clear.
You're confusing running a business vs hiring employees.
You seem to think they are different. An employee is simply a service provider to an employer. Every part of the chain in business is supplying good and/or service to someone else so there is no reason to treat any part of the system any different to another.
You're welcome to move back to America and make it great again.
So I'm free to choose for myself? I think you finally get it…
I own my own business so that is exactly what happens. This model has more risk as I could lose money, but at the same time it rewards success as a good business can earn many, many times more money than a wage earner.
So when there is no work, do your employees sit around unpaid waiting for a 'customer'?
The part you are failing to understand is that everything is business. A job is merely a component part of a business, the same rules of supply and demand still apply
Not at all, I just don't agree with you that the employees go unpaid because your business has failed by not having enough work to keep them busy. If you want them to be part of the business profit sharing, then make them all partners of your business so they share an 'equal' amount of profit.
Your model is, we don't pay employees when there is no work, but when there is we only pay them an hourly market rate. Doesn't seem right. Why are they not getting a share of the profit?
When the government attempts to interfere with supply and demand the result is never better
LOL at government interfering by wanting everyone to live above the poverty line. You're just used to the American way of keeping the poor poor and the rich rich. Couldn't dare have those poor people earn a decent wage or only work one job to make ends meat.
You seem to think they are different
They are different, go look them up.
So I'm free to choose for myself? I think you finally get it…
I'll buy you a one way ticket back to the USA if you want. You clearly miss stepping on the little people.
So when there is no work, do your employees sit around unpaid waiting for a 'customer'?
I don't have employees because the sheer complexity of wage laws make it too difficult.
LOL at government interfering by wanting everyone to live above the poverty line.
So you see how it works? The government WANTED everyone to be rich, but what their policy resulted in was less available jobs. You need more than good intentions to grow an economy, something the left never seem to be able to grasp.
I just don't agree with you that the employees go unpaid because your business has failed by not having enough work to keep them busy.
If there's not enough work they will be fired and end up with no job at all. There is no getting around the laws of supply and demand.
make them all partners of your business so they share
Once again your solution involves YOU telling ME how I should spend MY money.
Here's a suggestion, why don't you start a business, then you can pay all your staff double pay and the world will be a happy place. Why aren't you doing that if it means so much to you?
Your model is, we don't pay employees when there is no work, but when there is we only pay them an hourly market rate. Doesn't seem right.
It doesn't seem right becasue you didn't get it right. The tipping model means an employer can hire someone for a lower base rate, when under a high minimum wage law they would not be able to afford to. So immediately the result becomes more jobs available. Those jobs might pay less in wages, but they for the unskilled labourer they give an opportunity that they otherwise wouldn't have, and with tips there is the opportunity to earn more than an award rate job.
You're just used to the American way of keeping the poor poor and the rich rich.
There are literally millions of rags to riches stories in America because there are more opportunities to get started. Jeff Bezos is a goo done, another is that the US has more Black millionaires than all of Africa combined despite having 30 times less the number and hundreds of years less to achieve that feat. How do you think that happened if the poor only stay poor? Maybe what you heard on the ABC does not match reality?
I'll buy you a one way ticket back to the USA if you want.
Thanks, where do I collect it?
You clearly miss stepping on the little people.
What if you learned that high minimum wages actually keep the little people in the dirt?
But don't take my word for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DsZnI8lX-ASee the difference is that, my position is based on empirical data, that show the best policy to improve economic growth overall, where as yours seem to be based on the naive view that forcing higher wages will somehow automatically make everyone wealthier. There is no data that supports this preposterous claim, yet it persists among the economically illiterate left.
I don't have employees because the sheer complexity of wage laws make it too difficult.
LOL So a one man band….
The government WANTED everyone to be rich
Having food on the table doesn't make you 'rich'.
Once again your solution involves YOU telling ME how I should spend MY money.
Well you are telling them how they should EARN their money, so only fair they share the profits. I can see why you don't have employees.
LOL So a one man band….
I see you ignored all my points and attempted some sort of petty insult instead. Even though I already explained to situation to you…
Well you are telling them how they should EARN their money
Oh back to this again…
I am doing no such thing, I am attempting to explain to you how a lower minimum wage can have more positive results overall based on empirical data and sound economic theory. I provided you links to an acclaimed economics professor who wrote a book on the subject explaining exactly why higher minimum wages don't bring the outcome that you think they do, yet you ignored all this because it doesn't agree with your pre-existing beliefs.
Policy needs to not just feel good, it needs to do good, and the dataLearn the difference between INTENT and OUTCOME. Higher minimum wages sound like they will do good, but good ideas need to do more than sound good, they need to do good. The economic data shows that they will produce net negative outcome for those at the bottom, so if the outcome is shown to be worse, why would you continue to pursue the idea?
Here's another link to research from Harvard that supports this: https://hbr.org/2021/06/research-when-a-higher-minimum-wage-…
Some key takeaways:
"For every $1 increase in the minimum wage, we found that the total wage compensation of an average minimum wage worker fell by 13.6%."
"We found that for every $1 increase in minimum wage, the percentage of workers working more than 20 hours per week decreased by 23.0%"
"a $1 increase in the minimum wage added up to average net losses of at least $1,590 per year per employee"
I see you ignored all my points and attempted some sort of petty insult instead. Even though I already explained to situation to you…
Not at all, you are a one man band. You have no employees, so all your comments of it ok for them not being paid if no work don't hold much weight.
I am doing no such thing, I am attempting to explain to you how a lower minimum wage can have more positive results overall based on empirical data and sound economic theory
Correct, you're telling me how keeping the poor poor has a 'positive' result on the middle and upper class, that is all. How dare the middle/upper class allow the poor to live by earning more.
"We found that for every $1 increase in minimum wage, the percentage of workers working more than 20 hours per week decreased by 23.0%"
Shock… Pay people more and they can then work less hours.
Your article you linked to is skewed by the 1% Harvard snobs.
However, economists remain uncertain as to the long-term impact of these policies on the welfare of American workers. Some studies suggest that raising minimum wage has a small negative effect on employment rates, while others find no such adverse effect on employment.
Shock the rest of the world does this already, the results are not an unknown. The article is no different to the tobacco lobbyist from the 80s saying that smoking doesn't cause cancer.
Your article you linked to is skewed by the 1% Harvard snobs.
Lol, living the stereotype.
Good luck with life, you're going to need it…
Lol, living the stereotype.
Vs you and your sterotype of keeping the poor poor.
Good luck with life, you're going to need it…
I don't live in the USA, I'll be perfectly fine.
When the heck did tips go up to 20-25%. Prepandemic it was 15% for standard service and 20% for good/excellent service (on pretax total).
I was there from 2009 to 2015 and it was 17.5%.
Yeah I saw 18% in NYC between 2012 and 2019, the waitstaff said people usually do 18% because they can work out 20% and knock 10% off quickly but being just short is okay if you're leaving the change being given back (like being 5-25c short of 18%, which is understandable considering your bill can easily hit $50+ in NYC)
All the other cities I was told 15-20% depending on service level.
And yes I always play the dumb Aussie tourist learning to tip for the first time, got me out of having to tip at airport bars a few times hahah.@Trance N Dance: In Michigan, sales tax was 6%, so multiply it by 3 and you have the tip (18%, close enough to 17.5%).
Yeah, I refused to tip in some scenarios where I didn't think I had received any actual service and it felt like a "it's what you are meant to do" type thing.
20% was standard pre pandemic in major cities. Unless it’s a bar or cafe or takeaway food you just give $1 per drink etc.
I went there in January 2022 and most restaurants will now point you to an iPad with 18%, 22% and 25% on it which forces you to do 22% unless you want to pick the "low" option. Some even had 20%, 25%, 30%.
It's way out of control over there after the pandemic.
For restaurants I found a good rule of thumb was to double the price to get AUD. At the moment its the Price + Sales Tax (~10%) then Tip (~20%) = (130% total in USD) then convert to AUD (130%*1.5 = 195%) so true cost is 195% of what's written on the menu in AUD.
Make it easy on yourself by just guessing it will cost double in AUD.
Any idea at which places do they expect tips
Pretty much every place except for fast food chains like Maccas…
and roughly how much
It will be on your bill…
'Australians are the worst': tips on tipping in the US.
I'm sure I get worse service because I'm an Australian.
Tell'em you are from New Zealand.
EDIT: Nope NZ in same boat
Tips everywhere not just food
e.g. valet, getting a haircut etc will also have tipping expected. Similar percentages really.
Instead of getting complicated with the calculation I just did 20% every time
Instead of getting complicated with the calculation I just did 20% every time
I know a lot of people are saying it will be on the bill, but incase it isn't I heard 20 Percent is the norm also. And some people typically work it out by doubling the bill, and then dividing by 100.
eg: Meal cost $24.20 -[doubled]-> $48.40 -[divide100]-> $4.84
Some will round up the cents when they double to make the divide easier, but may be a quick/easy way to ensure you're hitting that 20 percent.
I've always done the opposite where I get 10% of the number and double it. Just need to move the decimal over really.
$24.20 - [move decimal over to the left] > $2.42 - [double] > $4.84
It's interesting how people have different ways of doing arithmetic.
These are the easy questions, some say you exclude taxes from your calculation of the tip for example and various other ways of making it complicated.
10 not 100
Why not use 10% and double that 😉
Why not just use 20%
Err, that would be "dividing by 10". Doubling (=200%) then dividing by 100 gives 2%, not 20. :)
How funny. At least depending on the state the restaurant industry can be rife with low wages. They really expect me to tip them when they make the same as getting a haircut here?
It's just a shame when the English web is made up of these Muppets and they think their echo chamber of tips is someone a norm throughout the world.
The biggest supporters of tipping culture are the people who are currently paid in tips. All waiters know they earn more with tips then they would ever earn if they worked for a wage. Bonus if you're attractive and pretend to like the clients.
That's why it will never go away - it's supported by both business and staff.
Frustrates me. Just pay your staff appropriately for goodness sakes. In that way there's no pressure or expectation on the customer to fix your minimum wage issues. If I receive exceptional service I get to decide whether I'd like to show my gratitude in the form of a tip.
Frustrates me. Just pay your staff appropriately for goodness sakes.
And who best to decide what appropriate is? The customer, or some government bureaucrat?
The Customer receives the service, therefore is quite rightly left to the customer to pay what they think the service is worthIn that way there's no pressure or expectation on the customer to fix your minimum wage issues.
Uh who do you think ultimately pays? Here's a primer for you "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DsZnI8lX-A
If I receive exceptional service I get to decide whether I'd like to show my gratitude in the form of a tip.
And what if you get terrible service?
Tipping isn't a 'concept' in the USA, it is a way for a lot of the working population to make a living (as their wages are so low). Be prepared to tip (have plenty of small denomination notes on hand), factor it into your assessment of the prices, and make sure you do it.
I witnessed a tourist not tip in Katz's Deli in NY once. The staff were far from impressed.
Sales tax is another thing I've seen tourists to America get confused about. In our
normalcountry if you go into a bottle-oh, grab a bottle of wine that has a sticker that says $50 on it, and then take it to the cash register, the cashier will ask you for: $50.Doesn't often work that way in America though. Depending on the state you'll be paying like $60 for a '$50' bottle of wine, because they don't include the sales tax in the price on the sticker.
America has an insane tax system where there can be state, county and even city sales tax. So they can't advertise the price with the tax in it, as it depends where you go to the store.
There were states that used to ban putting the tax in the price so you could see the "real" price, although that's just because some states are bonkers.
It's actually unfortunately a much better system for federalism. Currently the states are dragged by the balls by the federal government as they rely on them for tax so they are always forced to do exactly what the fed says, which isn't really how things are supposed to work here .
I can understand not advertising on tv/print etc… (or advertising a price+tax) but in a convenience store/etc.. the price on the shelf not matching the price you pay is insane. The shop can't grow legs and relocate to the next county
@Matt P: It's because the government doesn't enforce ticket prices to include tax.
That's illegal in oz to not include gst for consumer goods
The shop can't grow legs and relocate to the next county
Of course it can. This happens all the time in the US. Elon Musk moving from California to Texas for lower taxes was a recent high profile example.
They can advertise the price with tax included. Businesses have tried and found their revenue drops as a result.
There is no legal reason they cannot advertise the actual price.
Do you think they run the exact same catalogue in every state? They don't even run national catalogues here, and our economy is a fraction of the size.
All these "reasons" you have suggested are excuses. It makes more money to advertise a fake lower price. That's the beginning and end of it
@greatlamp: Its the same reason i submit all my business cases at work as ex GST
$10m ex GST looks a whole lot better than $11m :)
Its the same reason i submit all my business cases at work as ex GST
Um its not actually, and no-one does this. In a B2B transaction, GST is passed down the line and it accrues as you add value in the chain, therefore it is not considered a cost if you are not the end consumer
For the end customer they are actually paying the GST, hence why it is usually included in the sticker price.
Yet gasoline (petrol) is advertised as an all inclusive price. Go figure.
I witnessed a tourist not tip in Katz's Deli in NY once. The staff were far from impressed.
To be fair, for most people OUTSIDE of the USA, tipping isn't normal and in our minds the price we paid for the tour should have covered all that, you know paying the staff correctly ;)
Ignorance is not an excuse
But yet forced tipping because business under pay staff is ok?
Honestly tipping at a Deli, was it table service or something they lined up and ordered, and took away?
Tipping for table service yes, but tipping for take away, nope.
These were not table servers, they were the people slicing pastrami and making the sandwiches that I took to the table. If I wanted table service, I would have tipped those servers.
Then honestly I don't see why they should be 'tipped' in that case, so wouldn't have tipped them either if I'm collecting something from a deli and taking it myself to a table to eat. No 'service' was delivered.
This is the problem with the USA, tipping is normally for providing 'service', so where to draw the line? Do you tip the bus driver? The person at the supermarket who scans your items? What about the person that packed the shelves? How about the mail man or amazon delivery person? They are all providing a service. If only there was an easy way all these people got the correct amount of money for the services they did. Seems every other country around the world has worked it out but the USA.
How about fast food outlet people? But then who do you tip? The person handing me my order but they didn't make or cook my food. Same goes for table service, I'm tipping the person who brings me the food, not the person that made the food. Sure sometimes tips are 'shared' but you see the problem here.
Don't get me started on tipping cleaners in motels/hotels etc either and crap resort fees etc. The USA is mess.
The wage system in the USA is outside of our control (as non-USA citizens).
Outside the control of American citizens too
Even the USA tax system supports this; if someone works at a deli, the tax system will assume that the worker received a certain amount in tips and they will tax them on that basis. If you didn't tip them, they probably lost money in effect.
That system sounds crazy to me, so they get taxed based on something they may or may not have received? And they can lose money while working?
And how would the IRS know how many people they served in an hour, and what the prices of the meals that customers ordered are? Since tipping is based on 20% / per person / per meal (if you are tipping correctly).
Honest questions!
Sorry for the possibly weirdly worded questions, English is my first language, but it's too early to try to get my head around this concept.
@KSMLJ: I lived in the US for a few years and it was the same everywhere I travelled.
The tips are calculated off the table service bill (which also has the waiter's ID) so end-of-day the till spits out a report for each waiter showing total bill and then calcs the tips from that.
By the same token, if a customer pays them more than the required amount and it's in cash then the waiter gets to pocket the extra tax-free. For example they could throw the bill + regular tips on a card and then leave cash as extra because they liked the server more than the restaurant, etc.I wasn't so much annoyed by the price after including tips because I found it cheaper there anyway - it's the hassle of constantly having to do a maths calculation when paying. You end up rounding up by a more even percentage like 20% just so you can avoid that after a while.
Even us Aussies have problems 20 years later dividing by 11 when we want to work out ex-GST prices.
@GG57: Dunno why you're being downvoted. I too care for the service staff but it's a grossly broken system. My other comments explain my pov. Note that there's no tipping at the fast food outlets, department stores, etc etc. So one must question why cafes and restaurants - hospitality in general. Why? It's easier to entice people by lowering cost and leaving the shortfall up to the service staff and costumer to fight it out. That's plain ol exploitive.
@OrderedChaos: I imagined it was a system kept alive to benefit the industries that use it. Many times an employer can use the tips as a way of skimming more money from workers and keep wages down.
The other thing Aussies don't factor in is the psychology - we STILL have this underlying principle in Australia of "fairness" that politicians have to take heed of to varying degrees. All we have to do shout "that's not fair" and it usually gets heard and something is done.
In USA they don't have that philosophy with commerce - it took me a while to grasp it but essentially Americans expect to get "screwed" as a normal part of everyday life.
Don’t know why this is getting so many downvotes it’s 100% right
Well, just the same if pulling down your pants and getting a reaming is a custom and practice in a country, I would not visit.
To be fair, Katz' is a tourist trap shithole.
The smart people walked from there to Harry & Ida's until it closed in 2019.
When I stepped foot in Katz' (as a big film buff, it's a celebrated location), I was immediately turned off by how mechanical it was - seemingly living off an appearance in a film two decades old. I remain glad I did.
They should be unimpressed at being taken advantage of by the owner of the establishment. The owner gets exactly what they expect via menu prices. Staff are left to duke it out with the customer. Inane. It's a broken dynamic when the unrelated party is perceived to be the party at fault. Freaks me out. Zero common sense.
They are beyond not impressed if you lose your ticket. But they can do it because the food is great.
🤣🤣🤣
Eh, American cost of living is fairly low due to their huge purchasing power as a nation, minimum wage in the US probably goes just as far as minimum wage in Australia, without tips.
Mr Pink had it right - you're not tipping the kids at McDonald's earning the same minimum wage for slaving over a grill, why should some entitled wait staff get more for filling up some cups?
Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, you don't 'need' to tip in New York (both city and state) anymore because it has a 'liveable' minimum wage? (I know liveable can mean a lot of things)
https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/new-york-minimum-wage-and-…
I get 'tip anxiety' when I'm in the US. Always having to make sure you're carrying around a wad of $1 bills to pay every person you come across.
Recent sentiment on Peddit seems to be that tipping is still alive and well in the Empire State: e.g. here
Thanks for the link. Was an 'interesting' read!
I'd probably even tell them upfront that you understand 20% tip is normal, they may have had Australians before who didn't understand that the "tip" was part of the standard fee. Also apparently it's normal to not add tax to the listed price. America is really ass backwards, like it would be that hard to print menus for different regions with different tax rates on them.
…they may have had
Australianspeople from other countries in the world before who didn't understand that the "tip" was part of the standard fee.Fixed it! :)
You can expect a spirited response from some people if you don't tip them.
Best to keep some cash in $1 and $5 bills on hand just for tipping
This guide may help: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g191-s606/United-States:T…
A proficient tourist visitor to the USA will likely tip carpark valets, restaurant servers, bar people, taxi drivers, hotel room attendants and tour guides. There are lots of people you don't need to tip and I suggest the guide is a helpful resource. When in doubt, ask a local - Americans are always good for a chat, just open with "where are you from?".
Aside from the above, remember to tip food delivery people. I usually aim for a five dollar minimum for places up to fifteen minutes away and add like a dollar for every five minutes travel above that.
Really? That much? They do 4 deliveries an hour thats $20 an hour in tips. I know federal minimum wage is still $7.50 which is an embarrassment. The whole mandatory tipping culture does my head in.
Yeah most of the delivery people in NYC aren’t paid per hour. They are just getting the tips so will be pissed if you lowball.
Oh ok, so the delivery drivers actually get $0 per hour from the employer?
That’s even shitter than I thought it was. Land of the free ey.
It's either that or not get it at all. They have the luxury of turning down your delivery if the payout is too low. You're effectively bidding against other people to get your food delivered. I've seen some people suggest a percentage of the order value, which I think is really ridiculous.
What a shit country. So you order from a restaurant and the restaurant just doesn’t deliver it. Wow. Worse than I thought.
Know of an Australian visitor who didn't tip a NY cabbie enough. Cabbie refused to let them out of the cab until they increased the tip.
what a shithole
I hated tipping in the US because the service was standard, tipping is a gratuity where the service is excellent. Yes there were often good service but nothing out of the ordinary.
Primarily I hate tipping because the price should be reflected on the menu. Don't expect the customer to automatically boost their wages.
If you don't want to work for $8 / hour, go work in other industries.
Even in Vegas people on Texas Hold'em tables tipped the dealer a percentage of the pot. No it wasn't the rake, it was a tip on top of the rake. The amounts in each pot on $2/$4 tables could be low but over a night that is a big amount of money. Imagine if they worked on the $10 / $20 tables or more??
We must never let tipping culture take place in Australia.
I only went to Jamie's Kitchen when they had specials. Each time they would automatically add the gratuity on the invoice and I would insist on handling the bill to tell them to take off that component.
it's funny how working for min wage in a restaurant and they expect you to tip them for doing their job, but no one tips the min wage maccas workers for doing their job.
such a double standard.
it perpetuates itself too, people feel guilty and tip, restaurant doesn't have to pay higher wages and staff stay. if people stopped tipping, restaurant would have to pay higher wages to keep staff.
the Japanese are much better about it, it's an insult to them because why should you expect them to do any less than their job requires? tipping implies that they don't have to do their job properly unless you pay them an additional fee, that you expect them to provide substandard service without what is essentially a bribe. too many entitled Americans who decided to do nothing with their lives thinking they're gods gift to mankind because they bring the food from the kitchen to your table.
Agreed.
I got no problem with tipping as long as it is a gratuity (as in not automatically expected and no snarling when you don't get it).
I just don't visit the USA anymore…
Problem solved…
problem not exactly solved.. i took my mother out to dinner a while back, it was a nice restaurant, the food was good (expensive too) and i paid with card, after we left my mother said that she thinks they were expecting a tip, i didn't realise at the time but now that i think back on it, i think she was right.
the service was good, but it wasn't anything out of the ordinary, and they were still expecting a tip.
and they were still expecting a tip.
I never tip in Australia… They earn a small fortunce on weekends and public holidays. It's not like they earn $5 per hour like in america.
@jv: Same here. Pleased to see the tip screen has been gradually disappearing from POS terminals. I can think of a few restaurants that used to have a tip option but the prompt has now been removed.
@jv: But they get tax a hell lot more. On average every dollar they earn they get taxed 25¢ on average.
@jv: Except we are heading the way of the US with our endless reduction in pay and conditions.
Small fortune on weekends? Where did you get that? Not the award?
endless reduction in pay
Just had a pay increase…
Nowhere near as high as Dan's pay increase though…
They earn a small fortunce on weekends and public holidays
So where did you get this? Made it up?
They earn a small fortunce on weekends and public holidays
Well? Where did you get this from? Not another one of your fake facts?
They earn a small fortunce on weekends and public holidays
Says something, gets called out, runs and hides. Typical.
That is not a solution.
I love the USA.
There are many beautiful cities there with many fun places to visit.
I really loved San Fran, but not so much the homeless and the odd movement of the ground.
Minimum wage is low.
I get to have guns and carry them.I get to have guns and carry them.
The problem is that ANYONE can get to have guns (and ammo) and carry them.
Employees earning tips in the US can actually earn less than minimum wage as their base wage. The minimum wage for an employee who earns at least $30 in tips a month is freaking $2.13 an hour. If they don't make the minimum of $7.25 though then the employer has to make up the difference.
So tipped employees aren't always earning more than a maccas worker. Plus mcdonalds pays way over minimum wage as a standard thing in the US.
they're making only 2 dollars an hour if they get $30 in tips in a month? i don't understand, it seems to conflict with your sentence after that
if they are earning less than a maccas worker, why would they not go and work at a maccas? it's not exactly a role that requires a degree or anything
they're making only 2 dollars an hour if they get $30 in tips in a month? i don't understand, it seems to conflict with your sentence after that
If they are in a job that they might 'earn' $30/month or more in tips, then the business can lower their hourly rate DOWN to $2.13/hr. But if the hourly rate after 'tips' isn't above $7.25/hr the business has to fill the gap.
ie work 10 hours @ $2.13/hr, they get $21.30 'wages' from the business but they also got $60 in tips meaning they 'earned' $81.30 for the 10 hours worked or $8.13/hr. So the business doesn't need to pay any extra.
Tipping basically means the customer is paying the staffs wages.
@JimmyF: so why do they get mad at people who don't tip if it just means they get paid by their employer anyway? that's how i thought it worked but i thought i was missing something
SnowDragon on 08/07/2022 - 11:40 Comment score below threshold.
