Second this, great quality and defo great bargain
Great work monitor? For work I wouldn't bother with scaling. I'd just get qhd at 27".
I'm using these monitors and my colleague has, the qhd version and am thinking I'd have preferred qhd.
Will it just scale?
Depends on application, windows scaling kind of sucks
@humbala: No it doesn't. Windows scaling has been great for a long time.
It is only an issue if you use old applications that don't support scaling.
@Aureus: TLDR: scaling on a desktop PC is probably ok. Using this monitor with a laptop I'd go qhd and no scaling.
It depends on your definition of "great". It's not perfect. It's not "bad".
As you say pretty much all new native apps are perfect. All old apps are very iffy, and any cross platform apps (eg Qt based) essentially don't use scaling at all - you need to manually turn on "enhanced" scaling for each app which makes them scale to an "acceptable" level.
Where scaling REALLY causes problems is when you're connecting/disconnecting from say a laptop screen that's 100% scaling and docking with this monitor at 150% scaling. Individual windows don't remember their size correctly and you end up with tiny window sizes on this monitor, or massive windows on the laptop monitor.
@incipient: Fair enough. That's not really a problem for me, with what I do, but good FYI for others.
@Aureus: Yeah it's not really a problem as such. It's just a…complexity…I wasn't exactly aware of when I bought these monitors haha.
Would the results be the same if you just turned down the resolution on the monitor?
Displaying even FHD on a 4k panel looks blury and that's an even 4 pixels to 1. Displaying qhd is 2.25 pixels to 1 and looks very blury. You definitely need to use scaling.
@incipient: Hey I'm in the same boat as you, tried lots of variations of scaling and changing font size etc. Ended up using QHD resolution and it's not blurry at all.
I have two 27" at 1440p side by side.
I use my 4k 27" monitor mostly for work and IMO 4k is heaps better.
This argument has been going on for a while, 1080p vs 1440p vs 4k, u would know if u need 4k monitors. PS: I use 2 32inch 4k for programing.
But for this price u may as well
Which 32inch 4K monitors do you use? In the market for one.
Agree, I use a 2k and a 4k side by side, I always drive the 4k at 2k reso.
4k w/o upscale on a 27" screen is not very usable for text. Well not for long periods of time.
You are meant to drive it at 4k and use 125% or 150% scaling, which looks like 2k but everything is sharper.
Running it at actual 2k is just a waste of money. You might as well just buy a 2k monitor
@lunchbox99: It's worse than a QHD monitor. This 4k panel, running at QHD, looks blury to the point it hurts my eyes after prolonged use.
@incipient: Well if you are doing a resolution that is not divisible by the pixel count, then yes it will be blurry. That is why you are meant to run it at native res (ie 4k) with OS scaling.
2160/1440 = 1.5, so every 1.5 real pixels is trying to render 1 pixel -> blurry
This is not rocket science
if you ran at 1080p
2160/1080 = 2, so every 2 real pixels is rendering 1 pixel -> not blurry
Run at 4k with 150% scaling - UI is scaled to look "equivalent to 1440p" but not blurry as the pixels are rendering 1:1
@lunchbox99: Yeah that's the point I wanted to make. It's not just a waste of money, it's actually worse!
Agree.. I got a qhd 27" with USB-C power delivery for work.. unfortunately can't get it under 300 for instant tax write off..
I have the 4k and wife has QHD version. Both of us would rather use my 4k.
Windows scaling at 150% is great with crisp clear text
Any recommendations for a 144hz monitor around 1080p? Hoping to start a double monitor setup for work and i just think the higher refresh rate is easier on the eyes.
True, but it does 'look' smoother to so many people in daily use. Saying it doesn't is such a cope for not spending the extra $ and feeling like you don't need to ahaha…
Truth doesn't matter these days. Popular opinion matters more. I've upset at least two people by stating a fact. It's pointless engaging with people these days. With all the technological advancement of ICTs, people would rather incorrect but popular information rather than facts. I give up.
@[Deactivated]: Truth does still matter to some people, which is probably why you've been downvoted for your comment about human eyes seeing at 30-60 fps.
That's just nonsense, human eyes don't operate that way. Last time I looked into refresh rates and human perception thereof was over 10 years ago, and stupid claims that humans see at x fps were both widely distributed, and expertly debunked back then. I'm pretty sure human eyes haven't changed substantially in the mean time.
@uvbunny: Did you do you research on twitter? You are exactly the person I'm talking about. You think you know because you've glossed over some headlines or heard something from someone.
Go and look up actually studies in university journals. MIT, University of Arizona, Stanford and other notable research institutions have looked at this question many times and much more recently than 10 years ago. Previously it was believed the eyes see at around 13fps. But that was debunked by MIT and I would have thought pretty easily given movies are mostly 24fps and very comfortable on the eyes. However MIT showed it could possibly be as high as 75fps in certain situations but proved one thing for certain: the human eye could not tell the difference between 120hz and 240hz. Which means the truth lies below that.
@[Deactivated]: Of course I didn't look up 'actual studies' in journals and peer reviewed publications, I'm not doing this professionally or as part of a formal education. But if you can point me to a serious study, paper or article that you think supports you claim of 'eyes see at a rate of 30-60 frames per second' I'll gladly take a look at it and then explain to you why it doesn't.
I'm aware (through various articles I've read over the years) that there have been many studies done of how the human eye/brain perceives fps in relation to various effects (typically smoothness of motion, flicker rate and perception time). None of those studies mean that eyes actually operate in fps, but depending on what you're testing, it's been shown that humans can perceive fps into the hundreds and even 1000th of a second for perception time.
I know from my own personal experience, that I can perceive (and find somewhat annoying) the sample-and-hold effect when playing a first person shooter at a solid 120fps on an LCD monitor, when I could play the same game happily at 20fps on a CRT (which doesn't suffer from the sample-and-hold effect).
If eyes actually operated at 30-60 fps as you claim, the sample-and-hold effect wouldn't exist once you hit your eyes frame rate, and no one would get any benefit from frame rates over 60fps.
As for this comment 'Previously it was believed the eyes see at around 13fps'. Good grief how long ago was that? Movies ended up being standardized at 24 fps long ago because that was about the minimum they could get away with while still tricking the human brain into thinking it was looking at smooth motion rather a series of images, but 24 fps is very poor at representing rapid movement.
Show me two screens with the same game at 60 FPS @ 60 Hz and 120 FPS @ 120 Hz and I'll pick the difference for you every time.
You cant see a 60hz monitor flickering, but you can see a 30hz monitor flickering. if you can see a 60/120hz monitor flickering you need a new monitor.
60fps looks smooth, but 120fps looks smoother. I would say that its diminishing returns compared to going from 30fps to 60fps, but its still noticeable.
for a workstation 60hz is absolutely fine and the vast majority of "users" (a large portion of the white collar workforce) do not notice or care about it.
I have 144hz monitors at work (all we could buy during COVID due to the WFH rush) and the difference between 60 and 120hz is there but it is by no means must-have. the pixel density and the resolution (24" 1080P) is more painful on my eyes than the refresh rate (which is at 144hz purely because it can be, not because it needs to be. 60hz is fine)
between 1080 144hz monitors at work and my 4K Dell (this model above) i would choose the Dell every time - i like scaling up to 125-150%, i prefer IPS panels, and I dont need 120hz refresh rate. I dont play games on my PC.
@Laserface: Oh yeah for work 60 Hz is absolutely fine. You're definitely right that 30->60 is a much more noticeable jump than 60-120. I just disagree with the guy above who thinks 60 Hz is the limit the eye will notice.
I have this same monitor but scale the resolution down to 2560px, as 4k is a too small for me. However the super small pixels make everything so crisp & sharp it's just awesome.
I have Dell U2722D as a second display and while it's more color accurate and uses 2560xp by default from the box, the difference in sharpness is sooooo noticeable.
Something like the MSI Optix G241 is $250 at centrecom, it's 24" 144hz ips with a height adjustable stand.
If it were me though, I'd get the ViewSonic VX2758-2KP-MHD, it's 27" 1440p and it's barely more expensive at centrecom and scorptec at the moment, and the resolution and size improvement are both really big plusses (I have one and a 24" 144hz 1080p myself).
@bruhhhcamo
I just got a Gigabyte M27F-A for $295. its 165hz, IPS, 1080P has KVM and its pretty good.
Can the coupons be used twice (adding 2 units doesn't come out with the same price)?
I'm looking at a dual monitor setup.
Nope
wonder if you buy one and come back and buy another ?
or just make another account
yeh that's what I mean re. making a second order..
I guess "worst case scenario" make another account.
Great for work and under $300 is instant tax deduction for working from home.
If you exclusively use for work….
Obviously we all use these exclusively. We use the crappy old one it's replacing for personal use 😉.
But yes, pro rata allocation for deduction is appropriate too.
Found the ATO auditor
Yes Mr ATO, this monitor is used exclusively for work. I have a separate, high-refresh-rate monitor for gaming. The tax evasion you are looking for is found elsewhere.
any codes/deals for 32"
I currently have a 2016 era LG 27UD58-B monitor (with some vertical line issues) and am trying to determine if there are any big differences/upgrades on this monitor?
The only feature it appears to have extra is HDR and i have not heard much good about monitor HDR implementations.
HDR in this Dell isn't good.
It's not much of an upgrade, if you are OK with your current monitor.
I'm still using a full HD 23" LG from 2012 side by side with this one and not planning to upgrade :-D
Only thing is that having HDR enabled allows you to stream the 4K HDR files which has much higher bitrate than the non-HDR 4K files.
Of course they have higher bitrate, they have higher dynamic range. That's literally all it's for. Pointless though if the HDR support on your screen is shit.
@Tacooo: There is significantly less colour banding in darker scenes with 4K HDR vs non-HDR when it comes to Netflix. Try it yourself and see the difference.
@wizko: I don't even need to, that's obvious. Higher dynamic range = more range for dark scene gradients.
Plus I'm not about to pay for Netflix to prove a point I already know.
Forget HDR on any monitor outside of OLED or something with a HDR-600 rating or above (and even then don't get your hopes up), it's nothing more than a gimmick. A FALD LCD or OLED is the only place you'll see a noticeable benefit.
Would this be suitable monitor for a teenager to use with an Xbox One S and also to plug-in to his Lenovo laptop? Laptop is a USB C connection, am I right in thinking I can get an adapter for this? I have no idea about Xbox/gaming stuff and would appreciate any advice.
Only good for ages 20+
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Xbox One S will only be able to take advantage of 4k with blu-ray movies. Laptop will need 4k over HDMI but I'm not sure about the USB-C connection, some don't allow video over USB-C though. If it can you will need an adapter because this monitor only has displayport and HDMI (the newer model has USB-C I'm pretty sure).
On the usbc point, the USB-IF has made a dog's breakfast of it. You can't always tell by looking at a usb port. You need to check the laptops specs if it does displayport over usbc.
Yes?
Is there 32in 4k deal?
its good deal as recent one. only adv in ebay, some cashback from CB or SB and giftcard savings. If anyone got Amex DELL deal,it will be good saving as well
Got the 10% cashback via AmEx deal, makes this so much sweeter.
What monitor is better for music production, like Cubase or logic?
This will be fine for music production. Only issue with a 4k monitor is old VST plugins may not scale correctly and as a result may display very small. Minor issue and not an issue if you use stock and/or modern plugins.
There is a lot of old VST which are used to this day tho
In fact the most the producers I see in the house or techno music scene are still using vsts I used to use over 10 years
I'm trying to work out what 32 inch ultrawide to use in the middle and then possibly have something like a 27-inch on the side or one on either side vertical but I have no idea
I get a slightly cheaper price (in NZ) if I use the TOBLAED235 code + student code vs. the two codes above. Might be similar in Oz?
$292.02
The Dell S2722QC is an updated version of the Dell S2721QS with many of the same features, but there are a few differences. They're built the same and have similar picture quality with an IPS panel with wide viewing angles and a 4k resolution. However, the main differences are with the inputs; while the S2722QC has a USB-C input and two USB 3.0 inputs, the S2721QS has a DisplayPort input, which the S2722QC doesn't have. The S2722QC has a slightly quicker response time, but other than that, both monitors are similar.
Is it worth the $100 difference? Currently you can get the S2722QC for $389 vs S2721QS for $298
I got the S2722QC for $369 in Feb and I've seen it that price a few times when they have a sale. So for an extra $80 I think it's worth it, especially with the USB-C input if you want to connect a laptop
wonder how long it will take them to ship. last deal via ebay for the 2k one i waited a month and cancelled.
Mine shipped today :)
Anyone buy this successfully using AmEx? I enter my card details and clicked the Continue button where I get a pop up that appears briefly and then I get: "Sorry, we are having trouble processing your order. Please try again."
Is this monitor any good for PS5 or Xbox Series X?
Yes, if you don't mind 60Hz. Speakers are not too loud as well.
Not sure why you were negged. I play Switch and have played PS5 on this monitor. It's great. Amazing response time, very minor ghosting. Just keep the HDR off on PS5, its a bit gimmicky and ruins the image. If you don't play 120hz console games like racing sims and COD, then this is great.
Thanks op, U and dealbot are legend!
Damm, I just put an order yesterday on ebay. Can I cancel ebay order?
have one of these as a daily driver, is great for the price
I photo edit so 4K is really useful
If only this worked for the S2722QC. :(
TOBLAED235
Exclude the 235 and read the code backwards.
Mind blowing!
I used that for 2722qc but didnot work
wow this is an awesome deal. Dell surely makes decent 4k units. I've been eyeing on a 4k monitor for a while. Perfect.
S2722DZ deal coming Friday.
Thanks for the legwork, would you know if there are any 4K 32" monitors on the way? I missed the last one and realized it was exactly what I need.
I’m not working on any other monitor at this time. Working on desktops and laptops.
Best at the moment is the 20/22% promo on eBay.
+1 for 4k x 32 incher
+1 for 4k 32"
Oh my gawsh! If it's already only $462 at the moment I'm very keen to know what it will be on Friday!! :D
would you expect this monitor to be into the single claim tax rebate price (i.e sub 300 or is that expecting too much)
Are you still doing a deal on this?
thanks, got one !
Anyone knows if this can be set/mounted vertically (portrait)?
You can find this info in the tech specs under 'mechanical'. :)
Swivel Angle 60
Rotation Angle 180
So yes? I assume rotation angle is the one to make it vertical
Would you want to though? 27” is insanely tall when in portrait.
For portrait, I find that 22” is about as big as you can go without poor ergonomics
Remarkable price. Great work monitor.