Got a european flatmate who just flew in about a month ago, he's got a couple of medical issues, not sure if they're issues actually, like asthma and diabetes and he didn't declare it when getting his overseas license replaced by a new QLD one, but I remembered when I replaced mine they've asked for medical stuff like that and doctor certification, but in his case he didn't mind it and he said he declared none, so he has a shiny new license now, but will that matter in anything, like insurance claim or getting into accidents, or what's the point of tmr asking these, instead of eye tests, etc?
Flatmate Not Declaring Medical Issues on License Change
[Deactivated] on 25/05/2022 - 18:46
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Stop being jealous of other people, worry about yourself, whether someone got an easier run in life or did something dodgy and got away with it while you did the right thing, really has nothing to do with your life and will not change it in any way, everyone needs to stop worry about what other people have and have done, and worry more about how they want to live their own life and choose their own moral compass and approach to life life, with their own goals and definitions of success
amen to that brother
And what if he runs off the road and he kills a whole family or even you?
There are other people in this world you know.
@badg3rz: Here here. Those negging obviously are the dodgy scum that are using ozb as a release for the stresses of their own short comings.
Thanks for being so concerned for the possibility of wider impact of another’s decisions. Shows you’re a real person not scummy scum dodgy aussies.
@Boomstick: If OP said that the reason he's raising this is because he is worried that this flatemate might be endangering others, then that's fair.
But he's saying that "its not fair.. if he has to go through something like this, then everyone else should too!" The negs are for him whinging like a 5 year old kid for selfish reasons.
Here here. Those negging obviously are the dodgy scum that are using ozb as a release for the stresses of their own short comings.
Like yourself, for instance - member for 18 months, 60+ comments, and nary a bargain posted.
@jackspratt: And your point is?
Who cares how many bargains he/she posted, maybe they just like to comment.
@badg3rz: Given his/her lack of posted bargains - on a site which, given its name, is principally set up to post bargains - it occurred to me that he/she is using OzB for precisely the same reason they accused the neggers of.
But it's OK if you don't get that.
I don't normally like negging people, but your reasoning really deserves it.
Really tough that you had to abide by such onerous requirments and feel very sorry for you.
Hope you license is still shiny.
There is an alternative if you don't like the place but it will involve travel.
Why does it affect you?
Cheers, thanks for asking.
MYOB
I like to spread sheet.
Oh, we know
The correct answer is "they aren't realised losses".
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You know it only works when only way is up.
I still don't get how you can earn 12% defi for stable coin (so we thought was stable) and get margin loans of 1%. Sounds like a ponzi scheme.
Report him… you may save someone elses life..
For asthma and diabetes?
Woah.
Ok, now in detail please explain how not declaring these things endangers someone else's life, truly fascinated.
Is it like that time I drove past that asthmatic (who didn't even have an "asthmatic on board" sign) and I freaking caught asthma.
Never happened - true story!
Diabetic? Easy
If not properly managed the driver may become unconscious due to hypoglycemia. It should be clear why this becomes a danger to other peoples lives on the road
There is a reason why they refer medical conditions to medical professionals
So if someone had diabetes and it wasn't managed properly they wouldn't be able to get a licence? Maybe we should declare alcohol consumption too. Or mental illness. Or being immunocompromised and on meds. Or even is someone uses painkillers. The road is a danger itself.
@cookie2: Things still happen.. Theres medical incidents all the time causing accidents.. Would be interesting to see actual figures of the causes.
Driving home one day we saw mates wifes car on side of road parked at a strange angle (living in a small town its unusual to see locals cars on side of road) - she was diabetic - I admit I didn't think this was the issue..
She had a turn and was there for hour or more.. It was lucky she didn't have an accident. She had no memory of how it all happend. her hubby came and sorted her out
@cookie2: Mental illness is an issue that can stop you driving. Especially if you are on medication for it FWIW
@cookie2: Yes if diabetes isn't properly managed you shouldn't get a licence.
Alcohol - RBT cause people have a history of not managing their alcohol consumption
Painkillers - often a warning about using them and driving on the packetDriving is a privilege not a right. Don't make the road more dangerous than it needs to be
@cookie2: This is why we have Jet's Law in Queensland.
On 28 February 2004, 22-month-old Jet Paul Rowland (born 9 April 2002) was killed when a driver with unstable epilepsy travelling in the opposite direction suffered a seizure, crossed the median strip on the Logan Motorway, south of Brisbane, and collided with the car Jet was travelling in with his mother Anita and his brother Bailey, aged 6. Anita Rowland, a police officer with the Queensland Police Service, sustained life-threatening injuries after the 200 km per hour impact. Bailey's spinal cord was severed, causing instant paraplegia. Jet later died at Brisbane's Mater Children's Hospital on the night of 28 February due to massive internal injuries after life support had to be withdrawn.
My son is a type 1 very well controlled diabetic. Before he could get his licence at 17, he had to get multiple forms signed off by his specialist and eye care professional. Every two years he has to go through the same procedure.
They are very serious about underlying conditions. if you intentionally don't disclose a known medical condition, I bet your insurance won't be worth the email it's written on. Good luck to the flatmate in the future !
LOCK HIM UP!
Take him off the road!Some people really need to pick their battles.
Some people really need to pick their battles.
They do.
Personally, I blame soy and the proliferation of soy-based products. People seemed to keep their noses to themselves much more in the olden days before the wave of nu-males swept across the globe.
Step one - turn on your brain and educate yourself on phytoestrogens, before spouting garbage
It has estrogen right in the name. You really don't need to think about it that hard, Redditor.
@whatwasherproblem: Ah yes, I see you "did your own research".
You are clearly incapable of critical thought. Mind that's not an insult, the word incapable contains the word "capable", so I'm obviously giving you a compliment.
The brainpower in this one is strong
@merivetio: Lol, weak bro. If you're going to insult me don't hedge and hide it behind "But I'm actually giving you a compliment". That's some truly Reddit behaviour if I've ever seen it. You should own your soy-rage.
I don't know what nu-males are or want to know. Guessing created in the last decade or so. I prefer my vocab pre all these newly created terms.
I eat a shittone of soy and guarantee you I'm ten times the man you are 😂
I also don't use outdated science from 20 years ago that was of dubious value even when it was new!
I eat a shittone of soy and guarantee you I'm ten times the man you are
No doubt the number on the weight scale would reflect that, yes.
Username seems appropriate.
but will that matter in anything, like insurance claim or getting into accidents, or what's the point of tmr asking these, instead of eye tests, etc?
Why are you asking this vs caring about your "friend" and other drivers?
just trying to undertand, cause what's really the point. if you have asthma you can still drive, if you have diabetes you can still drive, even wearing glasses, but I had to do mine just to be a law-abiding citizen, and I feel like it wasn't fair, really.
I don't remember the application form, but lets say you say you have an issue eg. fainting spells or seizures, they want to ensure that it's controlled and won't affected your driving.
It's not fair but it's not on that individual. It's on the system itself.
How do you think these medical issues (apart from less than good vision without glasses/contacts, and perhaps epilepsy) affects his driving?
not sure, I'm not his passenger, not his friend, just curious as to why TMR has these type of questions asked during license renewal…
He could have an asthma attack in the kfc drive through
Pretty sure those conditions don't affect getting a licence, and I doubt they even get noted down.
What they are trying to find are things like epilepsy that can disqualify you from getting a license if you have had a recent episode
I've been licensed to drive in Queensland for nearly 40 years and never been asked about asthma
https://www.support.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/formsdat.nsf/forms/QF3000/$file/F3000_CFD.pdf
Vision or eye disorder (other than wearing glasses
or contact lenses) that may adversely affect your
driving
Diabetes that requires treatment by tablet, insulin or
other medication
Been diagnosed with epilepsy, experienced a
seizure; or been required to take anti-epileptic
medication after the age of 11
Any other medical condition/s that is likely to
adversely affect your ability to drive safelyI assume for Diabetes it is controlled and won't affect your driving, low/high blood sugar can affect bad effects.
So what exactly are ALL the medical conditions he has that will/may affect his driving?
Sounds like you ticked a box on the application form that indicated you have a medical conditions he has that will/may affect your driving ans as such this is why you had to get a doctor's certificate for driving.
Oi, no snitchin', OP.
lol, i'm not mate, just asking
he's got a couple of medical issues, not sure if they're issues actually, like asthma and diabetes and he didn't declare it
You generally only need to declare eyesight issues, diabetes if you take medicationt, epilepsy, or anything that's likely to affect your ability to drive…
https://i.postimg.cc/2SJvz1kt/sfdf.jpgDoes this person have any of those issues?
^^ This. The key is only if it may impact your driving.
So unless your mate is regularly going into diabetic comas, has uncontrolled epilepsy or such bad eyesight he can't see two inches in front of him, it's not your concern.
The bar is exceptionally low when it comes to health and driving.
Oh that looks fun. My answers are yes - no - yes - double yes
So what do I win?Due to everything being all we require a drives license for ID I went and passed the written test. But due to the fact most of my answers on this one question are yes. I never went any further even though I had no interest in actually driving.
So if they are like me but actually drive then they should be honest if not then no biggy.
Most states (if not all) have an ID card that can be used the same as a licence for ID, like:
https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/licensing/proof-of-age
Move along unless it’s something that causes seizures or blackouts or similar. Something that’s ACTUALLY dangerous to other road users.
It’s a self declaration, if he lies that’s on him. If his doctor has a concern they can write to main roads. It’s not your concern unless you think he’s endangering others, in which case you can speak to the police who will only be interested if there has been an incident (which would need to be pretty serious).
oh karen
I can't believe people on here are saying "it's not your concern".
We are all part of a society here. As to this person, who just very may kill someone like your parents, brother or sister, or may even wipe out an entire family on the road.
It is everyone's responsibility to declare there medical conditions on their licence.
No its not. Only where they impact your driving. It's not for the Government to force medical disclosure unnecessarily.
Can you image if ever Aussie with any medical condition had to declare? All the diabetics, asthmatics, people with cancer, wear glasses for reading, hard of hearing.
The system would be clogged! That's why there's standards. And I've asked (wearing glasses myself) and trust me, the standards are loooooow.
That's why there is a form to declare (Fitness to Drive Medical Assessment) that your GP or treating Specialist needs to fill in and perhaps both.
Diabetes, epilepsy, eyesight, heart conditions, dementia, neurological, sleep apnoea, mental health, musculoskeletal, dependant on illicit drugs and alcohol, multiple medications that may affect driving, hearing loss etc…
That is from the NSW Fitness to drive which is 3 pages and may have to be done annually and may have to be with a OT or practical driving test or both. Can downgrade your licence to just daylight hours or within a radius restriction (2km up to 100km).
I wear glasses but passed in the GP room so I don't need them for driving. It's better to declare than having an accident or fatal accident that they find this stuff out about you.
So, in your view, everyone aged over 70 with a drivers licence should be a concern?
I don't make the rules, but in NSW it's drivers 75+ and I guess as they have your birthdate on your licence they will just send out the letter that your GP has to fill in annually online before your birthdate expiry (and yes it's all online now so there's no messing about)
strong opinion
also
I don't make the rules
Pick one
I did a reply to a previous comment, but I think I'll add the same information in the main thread.
My son is a type 1 very well controlled diabetic. Before he could get his licence at 17, he had to get multiple forms signed off by his specialist and eye care professional. Every two years he has to go through the same procedure. He's never had a low sugar episode and I hope he stays that way. Because of his condition, I've met plenty of people who suffer from uncontrolled diabetes. They drop very quickly and lose all self control and reasoning. I don't want them on the road !
They are very serious about underlying conditions. If you intentionally don't disclose a known medical condition, I bet your insurance won't be worth the email it's written on. Good luck to the flatmate in the future !
Why are you trying to be your flatmates mummy, Mind your own business.
Yeah, dob him in; it's the Australian way.
For asthma and diabetes? If he had blackouts or fits, seizures etc yes but for asthma and diabetes no.
Those ailments have nothing to do with your ability to drive
Diabetes can easily effect your ability to drive if not controlled.
Statement in form - "You must report any medical condition/s that may adversely affect your ability to drive"
OP's housemate hasn't lied, they've made a self determined opinion that either/all 1. may 2. adversely 3. affect do not apply to their conditions. They do not have to prove via third party like a doctor. It's strictly opinion based.
Otherwise there would be a mandatory medical test for everyone to apply for licence. But there isn't, and for several reasons.
There's also no reference to this issue in either Transport Operations (Road Use Management) Act 1995 nor Transport Planning and Coordination Act 1994. There's a flakey reference to Assessing Fitness to Drive by NTC, but those are guidelines and recommendations. Not law.
Dob him in
Are you a rat?
So I got t-boned by an older diabetic driver who blacked out and went through a stop sign. I had to get cut out of the car. It was not pleasant. This was about 25 years ago. From memory he was driving a VC Commodore.
His daughter rang me to apologise and told me. I asked her to do her best to keep him off the road to hopefully save someone’s life.
There a research paper on this. They took a random sample of crashes where serious injury or death occurred, and looked at medical records and post mortem results.
http://casr.adelaide.edu.au/rsr/RSR2008/LindsayV.pdf
Turns out that while a significant number of serious road crashes are associated with "medical conditions", none were associated with asthma, and only one with diabetes. The predominant ones (in increasing risk order) are dementia, heart attacks, eye conditions like cataracts and glaucoma, and the side effects of medications taken to treat medical conditions.
It may even be that at least if its type 2 diabetes you are more likely to have a serious crash if you are being treated for it than if you have it and you aren't being treated.
This doesn't relate to the OP's likely situation, but I remember a road safety research study done back when I was involved in the area that produced an unexpected result. It was that while taking the licences off old people because they had medical conditions, as they do, seemed like a good idea, it actually shortened their life by more than leaving them with their licences knowing they might have crashes. Turns out the risk of crashing is small enough that it is outweighed by the fact that taking licences off old people causes them to become socially isolated, and that is a factor in dying earlier.
At my age I'm glad I'm in SA where unless you have a higher than ordinary class licence, or you've been silly enough to tell the licensing authorities you have a relevant medical condition, or you are dobbed in by a doctor, all you have to do is a medical "self-assessment" each year from 75,
Did the research include the years of life lost of those crashed into by the old people?
Can't remember all the details, but I do recollect that they found that when people die in crashes caused by the elderly its mostly them themselves, because at their age they are simply more fragile. They rarely cause severe enough crashes that they kill other people.
Asthma and Diabetes? Are you (profanity) kidding me? Go away OP.
Diabetes, yes it's on the form.
Do you REALLY think that everyone here in Australia updated their license with those sort of conditions ??
You are really lukcy and I feeling jealous of you OP - apart from all questions they asked you, I was asked about Eneloop batteries, MS paint diagrams on the top of it - luckiy being part of OzB family I knew all this….
On a serious note - I would concentrate on things that are in my control (which are too many to worry about) and let other things happen at their own pace…..
Why does it affect you?