[Refurbished] 16" MacBook Pro Apple M1 Max Chip with 10‑Core CPU and 32‑Core GPU - Space Grey $4719 Delivered @ Apple Store

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bydl on 14/04/2022 - 14:09 apple.com (571 clicks)
Last edited 14/04/2022 - 21:31 by 1 other user

The rest of the refurbished models on sale right now can't beat the prices on offer by JB and Officeworks, but those two stores don't have this M1 Max specced 16 inch MBP.

Value proposition differs on a person-to-person case, but if you were holding out for the extra GPU cores, the higher memory bandwidth, or the additional video encode and ProRes codec engines compared to the M1 Pro then this is a saving of $530 or around 10%. That's enough for 18 Apple Polishing cloths with change left over, or just under a third of the way to saving up for the Apple Pro Stand.

When I checked this morning there was a Silver model on offer too, so grab it quick if you're committed.

(P.S. can someone check if this listing info regarding memory bandwidth is wrong or not, it says M1 Max with 200GB/s bandwidth under Tech Specs 🤷‍♂️)

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  RADICALIST on 14/04/2022 - 14:24

  +13

  4.7k for a 2nd hand MBP….jeeeebus

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    [Deactivated] on 14/04/2022 - 20:07

    2nd hand and repaired.

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    qvinto on 14/04/2022 - 23:13

    If there are any cosmetic signs of use the components are replaced. So the chassis, battery and keyboard are often new, potentially also the screen. Only the electronics are reused. I believe it has the same warranty as a new system too

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  iinot on 14/04/2022 - 14:54

  Price is not bad for the standard max spec MBP 16inch. For those who are "eligible" for education store you can get the same for $4799 + 1.5% discount from cashrewards. I think the refurb is still eligible for 1.5% cashrewards but correct me if I'm wrong.

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  Brrrrt on 14/04/2022 - 15:01

  +3

  Heads up the M1 dominance is no more:

  12900HK is 39% faster than M1 Pro and if you wanted battery life the 6900HS is also 10.46% faster than the M1 Pro.

  While one could argue both comparison by Jarrod used M1 Pro and not the Max, the latter offers little to no cpu gains and the main upgrade is on the gpu side-but anything remotely modern on the Nvidia/AMD side will crash the apple's gpu easily (and no the apple gpu > 3080 mobile is cherrypicked, who would have guessed?) so theres really no competition there.

  And here comes the price/performance part-while 12900HK laptops are all above the 5k aud category which competes in the price bracket with these MBPs, you can grab a 12700h/900h-just slightly less performance chips for much less, same goes for the 6900HS equipped machines as well. You also dont need to spend a fortune to upgrade ram/ssd and for most machines you can upgrade these components yourself.

  If your workload solely uses the m1 optimised software or if you really needed those extra long off wall battery life then go for the macbook for certain. But for the general populance, x86 machines are still best bang for the buck-and they are just fine with no worse build quality than macbooks. A common misconceptions folks have with macbooks, is that they will upgrade from their generations old x86 notebooks to expensive macbooks, and of course the difference is night and day. But if people is willing to shill out the same price for x86 laptops-for which they dont because apple have created this luxury branding for their products and people naturally think expensive apple products are normal and deserve the pricetag while expensive x86 laptops are a scams since 'why buy this when you can buy a macbook for the same price'

  Yes I have an agenda against apple.

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    fastnet on 14/04/2022 - 15:16

    +1

    Alder Lake CPUs are a bit faster than M1 Pro/Max with some major drawbacks. Extreme fan noise (under load), heat and over 3x power consumption. Performance per watt is the biggest advantage Apple has over the competition.

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      Brrrrt on 14/04/2022 - 15:22

      There is the AMD option as I noted above if one needs battery life, its certainly not as good as M1 due to limitations of being an x86 chip, but 11 hours on video playback on a gaming notebook is nothing to sneeze at and should by all means last one an entire workday.

      As for the 12900HK, it is very extreme in both heat and power draw for a mobile chip, but there is the more economical 12700H and 12900H options to consider, they will have a sizable chunk less power draw and heat output than the unlocked i9 chip and will still offer similiar or better than M1 Pro/Max performances in all but the m1 optimised few workloads.

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    qvinto on 14/04/2022 - 16:08

    +2

    If you want laptop that is a hot blast furnace than yes an intel system will be faster when plugged into mains power with 50dB+ fan noise. If you want a laptop that is still fast on battery power (unlike an Intel system), has minimal heating and long battery life then there is no competition to the Mac. I have an $8k HP ZBook from work and a Macbook M1 Max and the Mac is by far the more pleaseant laptop to use.

    There is also the stability of the Mac which is a large advantage. My many windows laptops I have used had to basically be restarted daily due to windows or driver issues. The Mac is restarted basically only if there is a big software update which is about once per month.It also instantly resumes with no boot time even after several days sleep.
    If all the software that I need was available on the Mac i would not bother with any windows laptops anymore - the refinement, reliablity and build quality of the Mac is much better than any windows laptops i have had (this includes several Surface Books, Surface tablet, Dell XPS, HP Zbook and Asus systems).

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      [Deactivated] on 14/04/2022 - 16:38

      +3

      Not sure if this is correct… true that my Macs can stay up without restart for a long time but relatively often experienced unexpected termination of application, including Apple’s own like Mail, FCP and Logic Pro, much worse when include Davinci Resolve and Topaz VEAI.

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        qvinto on 14/04/2022 - 23:10

        The Mac does have some stability issue for time to time with an odd beach ball but I have not really had any crashes or lock up or degrading performance with up time. Certainly nothing like on some of the windows laptops I had

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      Brrrrt on 14/04/2022 - 17:20

      -2

      And you just conveniently dodged the part where I talked about the Ryzen chips or the non unlocked intel chips. Because these run at cooler temps & lower temp draws, and especially with the ryzen chip, which is very efficient, not the same level as m1 chips for sure, since it is x86 vs ARM, but definitely much better than you try to portray it to be.

      As for your zbook, im sorry but that is not a good representation of top end x86 laptops, the price of your particular machine is highly inflated due to its status as a professional workstation machine, and actual specs & build quality can be had for much cheaper if one is looking over to something not branded as such. The machine is also very slim for the specs its packing and yes due to the nature of i9 intel chips, it will run very hot and loud as the cooling solution is not enough for the heat output. but again these are much less of a problem in other machines that, I have to stress, can be had for much cheaper.

      'stability' is very much user specific, depending on windows version, specific hardware, driver and software installs, I myself had none of the problems that you encountered. Yes x86 machines can have more problems than apple, but its due to the nature of being the hundreds of thousands of potential hardware & software combinations that the experience will not be as optimised as apple, with limited amount of hardware and the OS being all made in-house and means they can test and optimise all they want. This is the same argument with android phones vs iphone, ios is extensively tested with the limited number of hardware that apple offers, while android will have to support the tens of hundreds of brands with the many models under them, of course there will be more potential issues.

      On another note, one thing that is actually good with x86 machines is that one can actually diagnose and attempt to repair the machines themselves, or with third party repair services should any hardware or software issues occur, that is not possible with apple, and the user will have to pay the premium to apple to do anything. Sure it may not matter much to those using it for company work since its all covered for but its a steep premium to be paid from the average user, on top of the pricetag.

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        qvinto on 14/04/2022 - 23:07

        Yes ryzen is certainly more efficient than an intle CPU but the issue is with limited market supply. Last year I gave up trying to find a ryzen laptop that was in stock that had a colour accurate 4k screen and was not in an obnoxious RGB gaming shitbox for teenage boys.
        With regards to my zbook, it has a vapour chamber cooling system with two large fans and can dissipate probably around 200w peak and 130-150W of sustained combined CPU and GPU power. This is not an underpowered cooling system but a gaming laptop class system. Regardless it is ridiculously loud even at moderate loads, throttles down to 10-30w CPU power on battery which makes it much slower than on mains, and still only has about 2-3 hour battery life at best. The build quality is high and does not get any better in windows laptops, definitely not in anything cheaper as you suggest. It also suffers from windows and driver stabilities and needs regular restarts from the factory. The point is this is as good as it gets performance wise in the windows laptop world and the actual end user experience is quite poor compared to the Mac. The other laptops I had did hace less heat issues but had similar stability problems. Even Surface devices which are made by the same company that makes the OS (did not seem to help). For example my surface book would seemingly randomly throttle the CPU down to undet15W and this could only fixed by a hard reset. It wasn't even due to overheating. Never was fixed by any firmware updates or machine replacements.
        I used to be an apple sceptic myself and during the Intel era I did not think there was that much of an advantage to using macs. But when the M1 came out I tried again and now find it hard to go back to a windows laptop, the level of integration, performance and user experience is not close. You sound like someone who has not really used Mac laptops extensively. If you have the means i suggest getting an M1 mac and use it for a while and see what it is like

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  Doy on 14/04/2022 - 15:05

  -1

  "That's enough for 18 Apple Polishing cloths"

  Brilliant meme

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  wordsmith on 14/04/2022 - 15:10

  +1

  Adding the customary "pair this with gift card offers from flybuys at coles or everyday rewards at woolies" and you will save another ~ 10%

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  omblygombly on 14/04/2022 - 15:25

  Is it just me, or does that photo make the keyboard look small, rather than making the screen look large?

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    smithydll on 14/04/2022 - 17:08

    The keyboard is small, Apple don't do numpads on laptops.

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  Nilfunds on 14/04/2022 - 20:52

  +1

  ozbargain of the year

  i love apple gear, but this is just greed