Will get a job offer but waiting for the process for another

jnathanc on 20/03/2022 - 19:49
Last edited 20/03/2022 - 19:54

Hey guys,

I have a dilemma which I'd like some input and advice.

I'm awaiting an offer for a position that I applied for to come in tomorrow however I am also going through the process for a federal government position,but still awaiting to go through interviews (as you'd know the point process with government roles).

The reason why I want to wait is because the government role has a few advantages, security, remuneration, but of course never put all your eggs in one basket which is the reason for this post.

It is however a contract job, but extensions are available for it with the possible view to be more permanent later on as with most gvt roles

I know that it's not ideal to burn bridges with companies, such as say yes to this role and then to leave it if successful in the other position.

I have sent a follow up email to the government position to see where the candidacy status is currently at and will update you guys when I get a response.

If anyone has any advice, feel free to share. Thank you

Education & Work

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  • mafroew on 20/03/2022 - 19:51

    How long is your probationary period?

    It's not just for the employer…

    • jnathanc on 20/03/2022 - 19:55

      For the new role? Usually 3-6 months I think, not to sure on the specifics yet. That's a good point, what flexibility does being in probationary period have?

      • elgrande on 20/03/2022 - 21:37

        Generally a reduced notice period..

  • Drakesy on 20/03/2022 - 20:01
    +1

    In a similar position, have a contract pending with a private company and awaiting for a government offer.
    I politely indicated to the private company that i have received another offer and to allow me another week.

    If they want me to sign they're more than welcome to up their offer to the point where i don't consider the other offer.

    For the first time in generations the employee actually has the power to dictate the terms.

    • jnathanc on 20/03/2022 - 20:05

      I like that. So in this case would you say negotiating the pay is applicable? You're right, if they can push for a decent rate enough to not consider then yes.

      Since with the call tomorrow it will be below what I truly want, but they also indicated on the first call that "for this position, I know you put xx on your application but we can offer xx" I didn't agree to anything yet at the time, I just thanked her for letting me know.

      Would you have any words of negotiation for me?

      • Drakesy on 20/03/2022 - 20:13

        It technically depends how desperate they are for you.
        Some contracts with gov it's not a quality, but more a how cheap can we get a contractor in.

        Although i do know in desperate times where we've brought in someone heinously expensive just to fill the position because HR couldn't get their act together in recruiting someone.

        (ended up bringing in a contractor for $70k more than if they'd recruited through the department, all because they didn't want to meet the market…)
        HR literally cost us more and are solely responsible for many of the resourcing constraints and cost overruns on projects.

        • jnathanc on 20/03/2022 - 20:24

          Yeah definitely agree. Money runs the world.

          For this role tomorrow, this isn't the government position but the position I'll be getting an offer for, any general advice on how to approach this while wanting to wait to go through the recruitment process for the government role?

          I could ask for some time before formally accepting, and thank them for the offer, but as you'd imagine you can't wait forever especially since they haven't updated yet as it's only been a week

          Thank you.

        • Htu08 on 20/03/2022 - 20:41
          +1

          Hiring and then paying redundancy is also pretty damn expensive vs fixed term contracts though

          But yeah, classic HR

  • orangetrain on 20/03/2022 - 22:49
    +1

    Burn bridges with companies? Companies burnt so many bridges and the world is on fire.

    Probation period? Applies to both you and company. You can let the company go a day before the probationary period is up, saying that they're not a good cultural fit or some other BS. They CAN do the same to you, so why not?

    • jnathanc on 20/03/2022 - 22:52

      Yeah I understand that they burn bridges too, but also at the end of the day it's always about them, in their eyes right?

      But yes I agree with the probationary period benefit too as you've just mentioned. Okay so it sounds like I could still 'technically' accept the job and then go through the process, and if successful with all things figured out, say I found a better opportunity before probation is up.

  • jnathanc on 21/03/2022 - 00:40
    Merged from Can't Find Salary Range to Negotiate Job Offer

    Hey guys,

    I applied for a job and went through the interview process and I'm expecting to get an offer from them tomorrow.

    During the first call with them, they mentioned that the salary would be 70k (acknowledging that my salary expectation in my application was high at 80k)

    I didn't respond directly to it but said thank you for letting me know.

    Can I still negotiate after receiving an offer or are they usually firm, will they be willing since they mentioned pay is at 70k? I want to ask for atleast 5k more due to my work exp (10 years in cx service, complaints)

    What can I say to negotiate? Sorry, I usually have freaked out and just accepted offers that come to me, but I feel like I'm worth more.

    The role is Central Access Specialist with Remedy Healthcare (can't find salary info online)

    Any tips would be amazing

    • Hybroid on 21/03/2022 - 00:53
      +4

      You can always negotiate anytime until you sign the contract. They can also withdraw the offer anytime before you return a signed copy.

      Once you get the copy, review it and decide if you want to negotiate further. 5k increase shouldn't be an issue if they've selected you through a whole process.

    • dizzle on 21/03/2022 - 01:33
      +1

      but I feel like I'm worth more

      I'm not saying it won't work, but it's not about what you think you're worth. It's about what they think your worth. If you killed the interview and you stood out above all other candidates, then sure.

      But it could come down to things you have no control over, like how good the other candidates are, or any bias of the interviewer/s. If other candidates performed close to you, or the interviewer thinks your wage request brings you across as demanding or hard to work with, it could work against you.

    • dust on 21/03/2022 - 08:43
      +1

      The role is Central Access Specialist with Remedy Healthcare (can't find salary info online)

      What do companies with a similar role pay? Were you in a similar job/industry before? If so, what was your salary then?

    • iNeed2Pee on 21/03/2022 - 09:14
      +2

      I swear I have seen this before. 😂

    • CheapandUsed on 21/03/2022 - 09:27
      +3

      The exact company has that exact role listed on Seek. Should at least give you a guide.
      https://www.seek.com.au/job/56175331

      Plugging that in to whatsthesalary gives:
      "The role of Central Access Specialist is paying around $50,000-70,000"

      • jnathanc on 21/03/2022 - 11:11

        Yeah that's where I applied from. It's the first time I've seen this website but it's amazing. I wonder how it knows what the salary is as I've spent ages trying to google search it in the past week

        • pharkurnell on 21/03/2022 - 11:24
          +1

          It's the first time I've seen this website but it's amazing.

          You have never seen Seek.com.au before?

          Were you the 2000 yr old body they just discovered in the pyramid in Egypt?

          • jnathanc on 21/03/2022 - 11:29

            @pharkurnell: Haha not seek, the salary guide tool, what the salary.

            I feel like that sometimes when I drink too much

      • freefall101 on 21/03/2022 - 11:19
        +1

        That job ad also doesn't show up if you set the salary range minimum to $70k.

        IMO from working with both healthcare and volume call centre recruitment, they tend to be the least flexible on salary. The problem with 10+ years experience is that it doesn't always help you handle calls better than 5 years experience. Usually with call centres there are either bonuses that reward good employees or they move up to manager level to get more money.

    • sghetti on 21/03/2022 - 11:06

      Like others have shared, find the salary band for the role. A few people have already posted here with those.

      Where do you think you sit within there? How much experience do you have? Will you hit the ground running? Solve your own problems with some learning of the new companies processes etc.

      If you require significant training and guidance to perform the role then you might not be worth much more than the lower end. If you have significant experience, can bring additional value to the company over and above the role, be a role model, leader for others then you'd command the higher end of the band, if not more.

    • garetz on 21/03/2022 - 12:39

      If they have specified a salary amount, its usually non negotiable and take it or leave it offer.

      If you aren't happy with 70k, then look elsewhere.

      • sghetti on 22/03/2022 - 12:02

        I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. Some companies low ball hoping for someone to take the low hanging fruit. But I'd question even contemplating working for a company with those sorts of ethics, foot in the door and already red flags around their culture.

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