Davinci Resolve CPU/GPU

L[Deactivated] on 14/03/2022 - 12:10

OK so there are a few different questions being asked that have different pathways but ultimately I want the best Davinci Resolve hardware given my budget split of 2K, ie CPU ~ $800 GPU max $1200. The second part is the new MAC SOC which has been touted as Even more impressive, compared to the fastest GPU on the market, NVIDIA’s RTX 3090, the M1 Ultra’s GPU states it can achieve faster performance while requiring 200 W less power here

The cost of the Ultra is entry level $6K AUD compared to what I want to upgrade to as a 5900X and possibly a 4070 when it appears. I already have a 3700X with 64 GB RAM and an aging 980Ti, whilst this suffices on Resolve, it can come to a crawl when it comes to intensive editing.
So how is it that Apple has claims to have SOC that beats a 3090 and what is their baseline? are they just using decoding of codecs as a benchmark?
If physics has it right, a 3090 is what they could squeeze out of the hardware vs size when it was produced but somehow Apple has reduced the size by over 100 for better performance with less power draw?

For me to commit to an Ultra, it would mean changing platforms and only 1 real reason to go to MAC is LogicPro as I make my own music. I have enough hardware to do without Logic and currently use ProTools.

Am I missing anything here regarding the new MACs or should I just go with what I intend which is a 5900X @ $649 and a 4070 when released?

TIA

Computing

Comments

  • grunkun on 14/03/2022 - 12:32

    check if the software support ARM based OS environment first and if it was well supported. if yes and if you dont play game atall, go Mac

  • askbargain on 14/03/2022 - 15:14

    Your budget is 2k but you’re considering a 6k machine.

    • [Deactivated] on 14/03/2022 - 16:18

      Yes because that route would require myself to sell off some synths.

  • 7ekn00 on 14/03/2022 - 15:17
    +1

    Notice the source of the claimed speed (ie Marketing)? I doubt it will live up to it in real life (just like all the other Apple claims) - wait for reviews …
    As for Resolve, it actually depends on the version you are running … free = throw more at CPU … paid = split CPU/GPU …
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    • [Deactivated] on 14/03/2022 - 16:20

      Yeah I have paid, have the short cut editor along with it and works a treat. I am trying to gear up my rig to be only content creation as have no games installed.
      The reason for the CPU upgrade now is possible to off set the 6 months wait for the newer 4XXX series of GPUs.

  • freefall101 on 14/03/2022 - 15:33
    +1

    Maybe consider a 12900K instead of upgrading your existing AMD rig? Intel always does a lot better with encoders/decoders and this should take advantage of DDR5 (although at a cost). Granted, price goes up a fair bit compared to just dropping in a new CPU/GPU if your motherboard supports it already.

    The mac silicon will be better in some circumstances, I'd try to find some real world examples relevant to your work once it's actually out. For example, if you look around online you'll see M1 hardware demolishing a 3090 with ProRes files… because the 3090 doesn't have any hardware acceleration for ProRes. Apple also touted it as the only chip that can play 18 streams of 8K prores video, but ProRes is an Apple format so yeah, that's not surprising. I'd love to see some benchmarks on h.265 between the two.

    3070tis are dropping in price at the moment too, according to pugetsystems it sits midway between the 3070 and 3080 (unlike with gaming benchmarks where the 3070ti is barely better than the 3070).

    • [Deactivated] on 14/03/2022 - 16:13

      Yeah I knew Apple would skew their own results, I mainly work with 1080P Blu Ray footage, I would never touch ProRes so Apple seems way over priced for what I can do with my current rig. I am mainly working with .264 files.
      12900K would need a new MOBO and RAM which would easily see me north of 2K without a GPU. My Budget is firm 2K.
      3070Ti looks great BUT with 4XXX around the corner, I would be an idiot to buy a GPU now and regret later on. This is why I wanted to know the 5900X @ $650 would be my best option? The 5950X is $899 and trades blows with the 12900K when I would not need to spend additional for the 64 GB DDR5 RAM + Mobo.
      I would like to work with .265 files but I don't think my GPU is compatible.

      I will hold off but I think in the next 2 weeks I could possibly have a newer 5XXX Ryzen, sell my 3700X for maybe $300 ish to recover some costs.

      Thx for the reply.

      • nessism on 31/07/2022 - 00:24

        It does decode/encode x264 hardware native - I'm just researching for myself and seriously considering the Macbook 8gb Air M1 - which as unbelievable as it seems - legitimately does decode/edit all these codecs in realtime, on BATT!: https://twitter.com/colinbendell/status/1326291350850064398

        • CodeXD on 31/07/2022 - 00:26

          You replied to a disableduser, they'll never see your response.

    • bobvegas on 14/03/2022 - 16:21

      I'd love to see some benchmarks on h.265 between the two.

      It would probably be the same speed, apple has GPU decoding for prores but also h.265/h.265. The M1 h.265 encoder is also much faster than Nvidia/Intel/AMD.
      It will encode over 400fps 1080P, and 140fps at 4K

      • [Deactivated] on 14/03/2022 - 16:51

        How will it fare with Fusion FX? This is where CUDA cores shine which is my intent in using a dedicated GPU for.

        • nessism on 31/07/2022 - 00:31

          You'll definitely need higher end m1/pro/max for Fusion stuff, it wins with realtime codec decoding, not cuda/fx processing - as far as I've read.

          Which is where the Apple hype misleads, yet the breakthroughs in spite of this stuff, in video editing esp, are real.

  • [Deactivated] on 21/03/2022 - 10:39

    So in closing, this article came up and it leaves me at ease that indeed Apple are just marketing BS once again.

    https://www.hardwaretimes.com/apples-m1-ultra-gets-murdered-…

    Apple’s M1 Ultra Gets Murdered by AMD’s Threadrippers: Slower than NVIDIA’s RTX 3050 in Content Creation Workloads

    The 20 core CPU doesn’t perform any wonders either. In the Blender CPU benchmark, it manages to beat Intel’s Core i9-12900K but gets squished by the 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X and the 5950X.

    Apple should be ashamed of themselves, but then again they're using their own proprietary PRO RES codec to boost their numbers.

    Looks like I am inline to stick with my budget, maybe less.

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