Evidence for Changes in Annual Leave

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  AndyC1 on 08/02/2022 - 21:47

  +10

  One decent manager and one d***head. Ask your HR department if he can legally ask.

  I would give him a redacted copy if you have to with only your name and the words cancelled and rebooked not blacked out (black out and then make a copy and give the manager a copy so he cannot see what is under the black texta).

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    l2azor on 08/02/2022 - 21:50

    Thank you, that's the plan for this unnecessary evidence BS.

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    Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 09/02/2022 - 09:00

    +2

    HR protect the company. Not employees. Not the best idea.

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  bargainy on 08/02/2022 - 22:23

  +2

  Can’t legally require it but of course leave is expected to be negotiated with your employer so they can always claim the timing does not suit their business need. Give in, take the leave, find a new job.

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  capslock on 08/02/2022 - 22:27

  +2

  Any reason you don't want to share where you are going? Most people tend to be happy to show off their holiday plans to their colleagues.

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    l2azor on 08/02/2022 - 22:34

    +1

    Well the manager knows where I am going and with whom. I just find it asking for too many details. I have never been asked this before.

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  iamherenow on 08/02/2022 - 22:36

  +4

  Get over it. Send him the details. Is it really worth making a big deal about it?

  Or is the problem that the story you have told isn't quite true?

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    l2azor on 08/02/2022 - 22:38

    Even if it's not true, can your manager ask you for proof of booking tickets? I may go do whatever I want to do in my time.

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      iamherenow on 08/02/2022 - 22:44

      +6

      No idea. But I'd assume they can choose not to approve your leave at such short notice. I'm not sure fighting your boss over trivial stuff gets you anywhere.

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      SmiTTy on 08/02/2022 - 23:29

      +7

      No he can't force you to provide this. You can say no
      But he can also say no to you taking that leave at that time too

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  Drakesy on 08/02/2022 - 22:40

  If there was a manager that holds that over you i'd definitely be considering a new job.

  Petty requests like that really make an employee feel loved.

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    SF3 on 09/02/2022 - 11:08

    Petty requests like that really make an employee feel loved.

    Goes both ways tho…

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      Drakesy on 09/02/2022 - 11:56

      Employees are entitled to some rights lets not forget

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  dizzle on 08/02/2022 - 22:53

  +3

  Not saying he should ask, however many jobs require more notice to approve leave (Most jobs 've had require at least 1 month notice) even if it's just changing. Not only does this require them chaging coverage, it may require them to bend even legal rules (often contracts require several weeks notice to a change in rosters). It also puts other staff out if they have to change thier plans (social plans, child care etc). Particularly if you or other staff have had these issues before.

  So I can understand them asking for proof. While it may not be absolutely necessary, I also don't see the problem in supplying these. You can show them so that they aren't able to keep a copy

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  Kranbone on 08/02/2022 - 23:23

  They don't have a right to view your schedule change as it's personal. You don't need to provide this.

  The employer can deny your request if they've already organised staff based on your initial request and cannot reorganise.

  In this situation I'd respond asking for clarification on why they need to see the schedule change?

  They would be pretty stupid to say "Oh I don't trust you". It's in everyone's best interest to find a really fair solution. This type of scenario is really detrimental to a positive environment.

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  KaTst3R on 09/02/2022 - 01:33

  +7

  You are only thinking from your point of view. Have you considered that others might have booked in leave during the week that you are supposed to be around and now that you need to push forward your leave, it could potentially screw up the company's planning and work force scheduling. Especially in the aged care industry, there is a shortage of staff and all recent scrutiny is pretty challenging.

  Your manager might have to answer to his manager on this late notice, so submitting documentation is fair to the company that this is a genuine case of unforeseen circumstances and not a personal choice which they have the right to insist you take the original leave submission or cancel. One day when you become manager, you will think back on this situation.

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  prisonmike on 09/02/2022 - 07:44

  Share a redacted version of your tickets/itinerary with your dkhd manager

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  MS Paint on 09/02/2022 - 07:52

  +1

  It sounds like you work on a roster where staff need to be available for operational duty.

  Annual leave takes some forward planning in these situations. I suspect the troublesome manager is just making a point of this.

  Just show the evidence and move on. No need to make a mountain out of this muppets molehill.

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  bobbified on 09/02/2022 - 09:57

  +1

  Things really don't have to be complicated….

  Yes, you have the right to go to HR and you may not have to supply the details by law. But you have to remember that you have to work with this guy after your holilday so it's in your interests to not stir things up over something so simple. When you come back, you're likely to be telling everyone else about your holiday anyway.

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  tsunamisurfer on 09/02/2022 - 11:39

  +2

  What is the problem exactly with showing the evidence?

  The manager already knows :

  • Where you live.
  • How much you make.
  • How you are to work with.

  And you can't show him an email with your name saying your flight has been cancelled?

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  l2azor on 09/02/2022 - 13:45

  Thanks for your replies guys. The issue here is that as an employee I had a good relation with this manager. We both have been a good team and suddenly asking your employee a personal document while including 4 other admin staff members in the email felt a bit strange at first. I am just going to share a redacted copy of the bookings.